Thread: Military expenditures keeping trump golf course afloat

pops42 - 9/7/2019 at 05:12 PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/06/politics/house-over sight-investigation-trump-turnberry/index.html


playallnite - 9/8/2019 at 06:46 PM

The military is a government-run institution, so why do Republicans approve the defense budget?


Jerry - 9/9/2019 at 02:27 PM

What is the problem with the club giving military discounts?


porkchopbob - 9/9/2019 at 02:36 PM

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What is the problem with the club giving military discounts?

You completely misunderstand. The issue is Trump's club benefiting financially from US military spending significantly since he became President.


Jerry - 9/9/2019 at 03:30 PM

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quote:
What is the problem with the club giving military discounts?

You completely misunderstand. The issue is Trump's club benefiting financially from US military spending significantly since he became President.


Did you read the linked articles in the CNN post? Check them out. It appears that the airport, and Scottish government, have been getting contracts for the use of Prestwick by the Defense Dept since 2015 (Obama)
to refuel tankers and C-130 aircraft.
Quote from the Guardian article: "In October 2016, Prestwick signed a three year basing and fuel supply with the Defense Logistics Agency, helping it to almost double it's income from fuel sales to 3 million Pounds last year."

The Guardian article also brought out that Prestwick has arrangements with other local hotels and resorts for discounted stays where the per diem was the price.
Now if you had a choice of staying at the local version of Motel 6 or Turnberry Resort for the same price, which would you chose to spend your money on?


porkchopbob - 9/9/2019 at 03:40 PM

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quote:
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What is the problem with the club giving military discounts?

You completely misunderstand. The issue is Trump's club benefiting financially from US military spending significantly since he became President.


Did you read the linked articles in the CNN post? Check them out. It appears that the airport, and Scottish government, have been getting contracts for the use of Prestwick by the Defense Dept since 2015 (Obama)
to refuel tankers and C-130 aircraft.
Quote from the Guardian article: "In October 2016, Prestwick signed a three year basing and fuel supply with the Defense Logistics Agency, helping it to almost double it's income from fuel sales to 3 million Pounds last year."

The Guardian article also brought out that Prestwick has arrangements with other local hotels and resorts for discounted stays where the per diem was the price.
Now if you had a choice of staying at the local version of Motel 6 or Turnberry Resort for the same price, which would you chose to spend your money on?


Did you read the Politico article it linked to? Clearly you didn't. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/06/air-force-trump-scottish-retreat- 1484337
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The inquiry is part of a broader, previously unreported probe into U.S. military expenditures at and around the Trump property in Scotland. According to a letter the panel sent to the Pentagon in June, the military has spent $11 million on fuel at the Prestwick Airport — the closest airport to Trump Turnberry — since October 2017, fuel that would be cheaper if purchased at a U.S. military base. The letter also cites a Guardian report that the airport provided cut-rate rooms and free rounds of golf at Turnberry for U.S. military members.

Taken together, the incidents raise the possibility that the military has helped keep Trump’s Turnberry resort afloat — the property lost $4.5 million in 2017, but revenue went up $3 million in 2018.

I repeat, the primary issue raised is Trump's properties financially benefiting during his Presidency. Not which motel has a more comfortable bed for soldiers accustomed to sleeping on cots. So you've misunderstood, or chosen to ignore, the issue raised.


Jerry - 9/9/2019 at 04:28 PM

Yes, I read it. I asked you to read them, didn't I?
The increase in income went up due to CONTRACTS SIGNED BEFORE THE 2016 ELECTION. You know, the era when Obama was president, and Turnberry had just been opened.
The Scottish government, according to information in the articles had been working on the contracts through the FAA and the military as reported in a Feb 15, 2016 article in "Transport Scotland", so the contracts were more than likely proposed in 2014. The article also brought out that Prestwick was trying to meet with the Trump Organization to develop "inbound tourism" of the "high net worth individuals market coming in on corporate jets ".
So hearing that, knowing how long government contracts need to be considered and set up, how long the development of the land and building the resort would take, what year do you think the contracts would have been discussed.
The contracts from the US military was to start up the transition of moving from Mildenhall which is closing their US contracts in 2024, and the contracts with the Trump Organization was to promote tourism in the region.
Which of course, was all in the articles.


MartinD28 - 9/9/2019 at 04:30 PM

For unifying the country and all the great things Trump has done, shouldn't we help enrich the Trump monarchy?

Air Force Orders Investigation Into Lodging At Trump's Turnberry Resort

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/air-force-investigation-turnberry-stays-hous e-oversight-committee-092324425.html

Two key paragraphs follow:

Total payments for refueling by the Department of Defense to the commercial airport owned by the Scottish government could total as much $21 million by the time the contract ends, The Scotsman reported. The Pentagon provides Prestwick’s biggest revenue stream, though the fuel could have been obtained at an American — or allied — military base. Both Prestwick and Trump’s Turnberry have struggled financially.

The Department of Defense has so far ignored requests by the House committee for documents concerning the stays — and the Prestwick contract, according to Politico.


porkchopbob - 9/9/2019 at 04:40 PM

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The contracts from the US military was to start up the transition of moving from Mildenhall which is closing their US contracts in 2024, and the contracts with the Trump Organization was to promote tourism in the region.
Which of course, was all in the articles.


They didn't sign a contract to stay at a "posh" Trump-owned club. The primary issue is the conflict of interest with the Trump-owned club, not primarily the airport.

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which prohibits the president from receiving any compensation from the federal government other than his salary. After being elected, Trump chose not to fully divest himself from his business interests, choosing instead to put his holdings in a trust that he can receive money from at any time.


Which of course, was in the articles.


Jerry - 9/9/2019 at 11:41 PM

quote:
quote:
The contracts from the US military was to start up the transition of moving from Mildenhall which is closing their US contracts in 2024, and the contracts with the Trump Organization was to promote tourism in the region.
Which of course, was all in the articles.


They didn't sign a contract to stay at a "posh" Trump-owned club. The primary issue is the conflict of interest with the Trump-owned club, not primarily the airport.

quote:
which prohibits the president from receiving any compensation from the federal government other than his salary. After being elected, Trump chose not to fully divest himself from his business interests, choosing instead to put his holdings in a trust that he can receive money from at any time.


Which of course, was in the articles.


I have one question that I hope you can answer.

With his children now owning and running Trump Organization, how is President Trump getting any money from properties he does not own anymore?
The conflict-of-interest law doesn't apply to the President or Vice-President. There is a statute called use-of-name. To quote the article in "The Atlantic": "introduced in the Ethics Reform Act of 1989, it prohibits any senior "non-career officer" of the government from permitting his or her name to be "used" by any firm that "provides professional services involving a fiduciary relationship".
The President and Vice-President are not exempt from that statute, that is until 1991 when the Office of Government Ethics put in a regulation taking the President and Vice-President from under the category of "officer".

One other question: Have any other Trump named properties opened since the election?


PhotoRon286 - 9/10/2019 at 02:16 AM

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quote:
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The contracts from the US military was to start up the transition of moving from Mildenhall which is closing their US contracts in 2024, and the contracts with the Trump Organization was to promote tourism in the region.
Which of course, was all in the articles.


They didn't sign a contract to stay at a "posh" Trump-owned club. The primary issue is the conflict of interest with the Trump-owned club, not primarily the airport.

quote:
which prohibits the president from receiving any compensation from the federal government other than his salary. After being elected, Trump chose not to fully divest himself from his business interests, choosing instead to put his holdings in a trust that he can receive money from at any time.


Which of course, was in the articles.


I have one question that I hope you can answer.

With his children now owning and running Trump Organization, how is President Trump getting any money from properties he does not own anymore?
The conflict-of-interest law doesn't apply to the President or Vice-President. There is a statute called use-of-name. To quote the article in "The Atlantic": "introduced in the Ethics Reform Act of 1989, it prohibits any senior "non-career officer" of the government from permitting his or her name to be "used" by any firm that "provides professional services involving a fiduciary relationship".
The President and Vice-President are not exempt from that statute, that is until 1991 when the Office of Government Ethics put in a regulation taking the President and Vice-President from under the category of "officer".

One other question: Have any other Trump named properties opened since the election?


He still owns the companies, he just turned over the day to day running to his children of the corn.

Unlike Jimmy Carter who sold his peanut farm to avoid even the semblance of impropriety.


Skydog32103 - 9/10/2019 at 10:57 AM

Porkchop, PhotoRon, thank you educating.


MartinD28 - 9/10/2019 at 11:28 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
The contracts from the US military was to start up the transition of moving from Mildenhall which is closing their US contracts in 2024, and the contracts with the Trump Organization was to promote tourism in the region.
Which of course, was all in the articles.


They didn't sign a contract to stay at a "posh" Trump-owned club. The primary issue is the conflict of interest with the Trump-owned club, not primarily the airport.

quote:
which prohibits the president from receiving any compensation from the federal government other than his salary. After being elected, Trump chose not to fully divest himself from his business interests, choosing instead to put his holdings in a trust that he can receive money from at any time.


Which of course, was in the articles.


I have one question that I hope you can answer.

With his children now owning and running Trump Organization, how is President Trump getting any money from properties he does not own anymore?
The conflict-of-interest law doesn't apply to the President or Vice-President. There is a statute called use-of-name. To quote the article in "The Atlantic": "introduced in the Ethics Reform Act of 1989, it prohibits any senior "non-career officer" of the government from permitting his or her name to be "used" by any firm that "provides professional services involving a fiduciary relationship".
The President and Vice-President are not exempt from that statute, that is until 1991 when the Office of Government Ethics put in a regulation taking the President and Vice-President from under the category of "officer".

One other question: Have any other Trump named properties opened since the election?


He still owns the companies, he just turned over the day to day running to his children of the corn.

Unlike Jimmy Carter who sold his peanut farm to avoid even the semblance of impropriety.


X2

Trump sees the taxpayers, our military, his personal attorney (Mr. Barr), and foreign goverenments as means to prop up his businesses and to enrich his family. He wants the G7 to meet (and pay $$$$$$) at his Florida resort. The Trump family is a cash register & open for business.

Those who support him mostly stay silent. Evidentially they don't see this as any big deal. Why would they? They've closed their eyes to everything else he's done. MAGA.


pops42 - 9/10/2019 at 09:46 PM

quote:
Yes, I read it. I asked you to read them, didn't I?
The increase in income went up due to CONTRACTS SIGNED BEFORE THE 2016 ELECTION. You know, the era when Obama was president, and Turnberry had just been opened.
The Scottish government, according to information in the articles had been working on the contracts through the FAA and the military as reported in a Feb 15, 2016 article in "Transport Scotland", so the contracts were more than likely proposed in 2014. The article also brought out that Prestwick was trying to meet with the Trump Organization to develop "inbound tourism" of the "high net worth individuals market coming in on corporate jets ".
So hearing that, knowing how long government contracts need to be considered and set up, how long the development of the land and building the resort would take, what year do you think the contracts would have been discussed.
The contracts from the US military was to start up the transition of moving from Mildenhall which is closing their US contracts in 2024, and the contracts with the Trump Organization was to promote tourism in the region.
Which of course, was all in the articles.
Do you think US taxpayers should fund trumps failing golf resort in Scotland?.


adhill58 - 9/11/2019 at 02:57 AM

I have one question that I hope you can answer.

With his children now owning and running Trump Organization, how is President Trump getting any money from properties he does not own anymore?
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Zoinks...This is hard to believe...

There is at least one person in this country who thinks the Trump family business practices are on the up-and-up?

Come on, Jerry! Most Trump supporters just say they don't care that he is trashing rules and norms that other stupid leaders lived by because they were suckers.

Between BIGV's claim that statistics aren't facts and Jerry's claim that Trump SOLD his businesses, I am a little worried about our "friends on the other side of the aisle".

[Edited on 9/11/2019 by adhill58]

[Edited on 9/11/2019 by adhill58]


Bhawk - 9/11/2019 at 02:24 PM

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friends on the other side of the aisle


Those don't exist anymore, and that's got a lot to do with why we are where we are at the moment.


Skydog32103 - 9/11/2019 at 05:44 PM

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Those don't exist anymore, and that's got a lot to do with why we are where we are at the moment.


Have you ever tried to piece together how it got to this point, from 18 years ago today when we all united together as one? Sad that it takes a tragedy like 9/11 for us to be that way. But I can’t help trying to go back and review what led to this mess since that fateful morning:

1. After 9/11 Bush took military action in Iraq. In 2003, the WMD controversy sparked outrage among Democrats, along with whether we were going after the right target. This compounded the anger stemming from the existing belief that the Bush administration stole the election with a phony story about Florida’s faulty voting machines.
2. The left, desperate for hope and change, elected Obama. The Obama administration fought to create a diverse level-playing field for all, and a culture of inclusiveness and positivity. He backed this up with Obamacare. The right became outraged over Obamacare and the Benghazi controversy.
3. The right decided that the left had gone so extreme, that they had no other choice, but to act unprecedentedly to “blow up” Washington (a term made popular by the right to justify their choice).
4. Today, Republicans say it’s perfectly fine to have a hostile and divisive demagogue as President, and won’t even challenge him in the next election.
5. The Democrats are disgusted with how low Republicans went, and how proud they are to be that low.
6. The right and left became enemies and we’re in the midst of a cold civil war.

Sound about right?



[Edited on 9/11/2019 by Skydog32103]


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