Thread: Illegal Immigrant Detention Centers - Congress Denied Access

gina - 9/1/2019 at 09:37 PM

https://truthout.org/articles/house-democrats-demand-access-to-migrant-jail s/

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/459288-cummings-rips-dhs-for-blocking-ov ersight-committee-staff-from-visiting


https://twitter.com/oversightdems



AND then there is the money aspect.
Did you know there is a profit motive behind those detention centers? A 2 billion dollar a year industry.

https://theglobepost.com/2019/08/19/profit-migrant-detention/

https://www.adn.com/opinions/2019/08/08/child-border-detention-camps-are-ab horrent-alaska-companies-shouldnt-profit-from-them/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/25/18715725/children-border- detention-kids-cages-immigration







[Edited on 9/1/2019 by gina]


BrerRabbit - 9/1/2019 at 09:42 PM

Extensively covered in previous threads, Denied or ignored by the usual apologists.


gina - 9/1/2019 at 09:46 PM

Congressional members and reporters reportedly being denied access.

https://www.cleveland.com/politics/2019/07/sherrod-brown-says-he-was-denied -access-to-migrant-detention-facility.html







[Edited on 9/1/2019 by gina]


gina - 9/1/2019 at 09:54 PM

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Extensively covered in previous threads, Denied or ignored by the usual apologists.


From what I understand they want to refuse access to the facilities by reporters so that no one can see the conditions that STILL exist there. That is not something that should occur in a democracy.


BrerRabbit - 9/1/2019 at 09:56 PM

Concentration camps. Not a democracy. End of story.


gina - 9/1/2019 at 10:21 PM

End of story? Once the government is allowed to operate concentration camps, and no one is allowed to know what is going on there, the country is on the fast track to totalitarianism; and worse than that is that the are for profit centers. It is not okay or acceptable.


BrerRabbit - 9/1/2019 at 10:25 PM

America chose fascism . Done deal.


gina - 9/1/2019 at 10:50 PM

What were our choices and what will they be for 2020?


BrerRabbit - 9/1/2019 at 11:03 PM

If you still have to ask it is too late. People decided America was a toilet. Trump was the flush handle. You can't stop a flush in mid-swirl.


Sang - 9/2/2019 at 05:58 PM

Maybe they found a use for all those Obama FEMA camps......


PhotoRon286 - 9/2/2019 at 07:29 PM

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Maybe they found a use for all those Obama FEMA camps......


I laughed.


gina - 9/3/2019 at 10:11 PM

There are two separate issues, one is immigration reform, keeping out those tho do not contribute to the culture of the people of the United States like these: [from Brooklyn, NY]

https://nypost.com/2019/09/02/west-indian-day-parade-marchers-wine-up-on-ne w-yorks-finest/

This is what they bring to this country, eroding American values, corrupting even cops.


The second issue is allowing oversight of the detention centers, and providing basic, humane settings for people to sleep, eat, and live while they are awaiting deportation or given political asylum. The process itself takes to long, we have too many people we are warehousing in privatized jail like facilities.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/migrant-girls-border-detention-menstruating- bleeding-pads_n_5d694102e4b02bc6bb38d026

How disgusting is this? They cannot even provide sanitary products for the girls, they are just left there to bleed in their clothes?


"The goal of concentration camps has always been to be ignored. The German-Jewish political theorist Hannah Arendt, who was imprisoned by the Gestapo and interned in a French camp, wrote a few years afterward about the different levels of concentration camps. Extermination camps were the most extreme; others were just about getting “undesirable elements … out of the way.” All had one thing in common: “The human masses sealed off in them are treated as if they no longer existed, as if what happened to them were no longer of interest to anybody, as if they were already dead.”

"When a leader puts people in camps to stay in power, history shows that he doesn’t usually stop with the first group he detains."


https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-katz-immigrant-concentration-ca mps-20190609-story.html


Remarks: What is worse is something else under consideration in DC, dealing with the mass shooter scenarios, Trump wants more mental hospitals to house the people, just get them out of the way. Nobody else agrees with this, so he's come up with an idea to use $35 billion in block grants given to states to let them come up with ways to make their communities safe by doing something about these people.

https://apnews.com/b0b1034de6d24fd4b0dd2f9367442449

The National Association of State Mental Health Program Directors has a different suggestion. After the El Paso and Dayton shootings, it recommended that Congress add $35 million for a block grant program to help states provide more community-based care to people in a mental health crisis.

“We need to expand treatment programs, because most people with mental health problems aren’t violent, they just need help,” the paper said. “But for those who are violent, a danger to themselves or others, we need to get them off the street before they can terrorize our communities.”








BrerRabbit - 9/4/2019 at 12:38 AM

For someone who loves Trump so much you sure do bellyache about his policies a lot.
You should be happy there wll be concentration camps where sanctimonious prudes like you can round up all those dirty West Indians who "wine up" on cops and corrupt your vision of American culture.

[Edited on 9/4/2019 by BrerRabbit]


BIGV - 9/4/2019 at 01:25 AM

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You should be happy there wll be concentration camps where sanctimonious prudes like you can round up all those dirty West Indians who "wine up" on cops and corrupt your vision of American culture.



Who was President when the Japanese were "rounded up" and placed in "Internment" camps during WWII?

Or by definition can they be referred to as "Concentration camps"?


BrerRabbit - 9/4/2019 at 02:17 AM

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Who was President when the Japanese were "rounded up" and placed in "Internment" camps during WWII?

Or by definition can they be referred to as "Concentration camps"?


The Japanese internment camps most certainly fit the definition of concentration camps, and referring to them by that term is accepted by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

Roosevelt was the president who signed the Executive Order to incarcerate all US citizens of Japanese descent.


adhill58 - 9/4/2019 at 12:55 PM

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Who was President when the Japanese were "rounded up" and placed in "Internment" camps during WWII?

Or by definition can they be referred to as "Concentration camps"?


The Japanese internment camps most certainly fit the definition of concentration camps, and referring to them by that term is accepted by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

Roosevelt was the president who signed the Executive Order to incarcerate all US citizens of Japanese descent.




Hey BIGV, what is the implication? Is it because a Democrat president had a racist policy in the 1940s, people who vote for Democrats shouldn't complain about a Republican president being a racist in the 21st century?


BIGV - 9/4/2019 at 03:02 PM

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Who was President when the Japanese were "rounded up" and placed in "Internment" camps during WWII?

Or by definition can they be referred to as "Concentration camps"?


The Japanese internment camps most certainly fit the definition of concentration camps, and referring to them by that term is accepted by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

Roosevelt was the president who signed the Executive Order to incarcerate all US citizens of Japanese descent.




Hey BIGV, what is the implication? Is it because a Democrat president had a racist policy in the 1940s, people who vote for Democrats shouldn't complain about a Republican president being a racist in the 21st century?


I would ask "What crimes" U.S. Citizens of Japanese descent committed?


jkeller - 9/4/2019 at 03:25 PM

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Who was President when the Japanese were "rounded up" and placed in "Internment" camps during WWII?

Or by definition can they be referred to as "Concentration camps"?


The Japanese internment camps most certainly fit the definition of concentration camps, and referring to them by that term is accepted by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

Roosevelt was the president who signed the Executive Order to incarcerate all US citizens of Japanese descent.




Hey BIGV, what is the implication? Is it because a Democrat president had a racist policy in the 1940s, people who vote for Democrats shouldn't complain about a Republican president being a racist in the 21st century?


I would ask "What crimes" U.S. Citizens of Japanese descent committed?


The internment of Japanese Americans was a racist policy that the people of this country should have condemned. That was a different time and different circumstances. We were at war with Japan. Are we at war with Mexico?


BIGV - 9/4/2019 at 03:28 PM

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Who was President when the Japanese were "rounded up" and placed in "Internment" camps during WWII?

Or by definition can they be referred to as "Concentration camps"?


The Japanese internment camps most certainly fit the definition of concentration camps, and referring to them by that term is accepted by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

Roosevelt was the president who signed the Executive Order to incarcerate all US citizens of Japanese descent.




Hey BIGV, what is the implication? Is it because a Democrat president had a racist policy in the 1940s, people who vote for Democrats shouldn't complain about a Republican president being a racist in the 21st century?


I would ask "What crimes" U.S. Citizens of Japanese descent committed?


The internment of Japanese Americans was a racist policy that the people of this country should have condemned. That was a different time and different circumstances. We were at war with Japan. Are we at war with Mexico?


Thanks for the History lesson.

There is a legal port of entry, is the Law being broken when that Port of entry is evaded?

Break the Law and pay the price.


Skydog32103 - 9/4/2019 at 03:29 PM

Trump supporters use policy as a cowardly disguise because they are too ashamed to speak freely. Imagine having to constantly speak in code because you know you will be hated if you are honest - sounds like hell.


BIGV - 9/4/2019 at 03:32 PM

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Trump supporters use policy as a cowardly disguise because they are too ashamed to speak freely. Imagine having to constantly speak in code because you know you will be hated if you are honest - sounds like hell.


Policy?.. Is that a Law?


BrerRabbit - 9/4/2019 at 04:24 PM

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There is a legal port of entry, is the Law being broken when that Port of entry is evaded?

Break the Law and pay the price.


Illegal border crossing is a misdemeanor. Detention for an indefinite length of time is unconstitutional, cruel and unusual punishment. Would you consider it fair to be carted off to a concentration camp for the misdemeanors you have committed?


BIGV - 9/4/2019 at 04:39 PM

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There is a legal port of entry, is the Law being broken when that Port of entry is evaded?

Break the Law and pay the price.


Illegal border crossing is a misdemeanor. Detention for an indefinite length of time is unconstitutional, cruel and unusual punishment. Would you consider it fair to be carted off to a concentration camp for the misdemeanors you have committed?


The Border Guards, Facilities and officials are being overwhelmed. Misdemeanor or Felony it is taxing the resources of this Country... Here is the LAW the President Trump is enforcing. It has ZERO to do with "Policy"
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§1325. Improper entry by alien
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

Don't like U.S. Laws or how they are enforced?..... Do not break them


BrerRabbit - 9/4/2019 at 05:00 PM

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]Don't like U.S. Laws or how they are enforced?..... Do not break them


Unless you are the government, then break all the laws you want. Detainees are being held
for years. The law states no longer than six months.


Skydog32103 - 9/4/2019 at 05:23 PM

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Policy?.. Is that a Law?


Trump supporters point to policy AND laws as a cover, because they know they’ll be hated if they speak freely. Sounds like hell.


jkeller - 9/4/2019 at 05:30 PM

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Who was President when the Japanese were "rounded up" and placed in "Internment" camps during WWII?

Or by definition can they be referred to as "Concentration camps"?


The Japanese internment camps most certainly fit the definition of concentration camps, and referring to them by that term is accepted by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

Roosevelt was the president who signed the Executive Order to incarcerate all US citizens of Japanese descent.




Hey BIGV, what is the implication? Is it because a Democrat president had a racist policy in the 1940s, people who vote for Democrats shouldn't complain about a Republican president being a racist in the 21st century?


I would ask "What crimes" U.S. Citizens of Japanese descent committed?


The internment of Japanese Americans was a racist policy that the people of this country should have condemned. That was a different time and different circumstances. We were at war with Japan. Are we at war with Mexico?


Thanks for the History lesson.

There is a legal port of entry, is the Law being broken when that Port of entry is evaded?

Break the Law and pay the price.


Are you saying that the Japanese entered the country illegally or are moving the goal posts again?

Most of the people being held came through legal ports of entry seeking asylum. But you know and ignore that.


BIGV - 9/4/2019 at 06:40 PM

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Are you saying that the Japanese entered the country illegally or are moving the goal posts again?


" I would ask "What crimes" U.S. Citizens of Japanese descent committed?
Goes to reading comprehension..

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Most of the people being held came through legal ports of entry seeking asylum. But you know and ignore that.


"Most"..... I Disagree


BIGV - 9/4/2019 at 06:41 PM

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Policy?.. Is that a Law?


Trump supporters point to policy AND laws as a cover, because they know they’ll be hated if they speak freely. Sounds like hell.


Your quote: "I’ve been saying all along that it’s wrong to criticize an entire group that makes up half the country, simply for their beliefs"


BrerRabbit - 9/4/2019 at 06:46 PM

One thing is for sure, rough and chaotic as the current situation may be, the detainees can thank their lucky stars that the impulses of certain factions in the US are kept in check.


BIGV - 9/4/2019 at 06:56 PM

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One thing is for sure, rough and chaotic as the current situation may be, the detainees can thank their lucky stars that the impulses of certain factions in the US are kept in check.


I would agree with that, there are rouges, outlaws and scoundrels on both sides of the fence.

That being said Brer, I would ask this... "Do you think the Chinese protesters wish they had a 2nd Amendment"?


BrerRabbit - 9/4/2019 at 07:59 PM

I will answer that with an ancient Chinese folk tale:

Aeons ago, before the time of creation, all was the void. The positive and negative yin and yang forces of the unrealized universe were coiled as potential in two dragons. The Chinese word for dragon is "Long". As in Oolong tea, oo means black, long means dragon = Black Dragon Tea, also known as Gunpowder Tea, great stuff, try it sometime . . . so, where were we, ah so, our two dragons of darkness in the primordial void were named Long One and Long Two.

After no small passing of time things were getting pretty monotonous out there in the endless nothing, so the dragons got bored, and then irritated, then outright belligerent, and during one of their arguments Long One said, "I can't see your point," so Long Two replied, "Of course, in fact we can't see anything at all, we need some light in here, I am damn sick of asteroids hitting me in the dark, and every time I move seems I am cracking my skull on some damn planet." So Long One said, "Yeah yeah, always with the light the light this the light that if only the light, wah wah wah, I suppose you are blaming me for that same as everything else," to which Long Two answered, "You are the one always blaming and starting up conflict and never doing anything about anything, just whining and griping and arguing sitting in the dark like a damn fool." Whereupon they commenced to thrashing one another with their iron tails, and sparks flew, which they noticed, and kept battling in the hope of creating light.

So on it went for a thousand eternities. Never ending war, endless night,friction, sparks, brief flashes but no light. Finally they left off, exhausted.

Long One and Long Two were some tired and sad dragons by this time. Too weak and forlorn to fight, they tried to come up with another plan to bring light into the void. They fell to arguing and blaming again, same as before, and eventually started thrashing and battling, exactly the same as before. Sparks flying but no fire catching, yet another failure to create light. Two times in a row, same pointless quarrel, same mistakes, same futile conflict, same failures.

Moral of story, Grasshopper?

Two Longs don't make a light




[Edited on 9/4/2019 by BrerRabbit]


Skydog32103 - 9/4/2019 at 08:05 PM

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Your quote: "I’ve been saying all along that it’s wrong to criticize an entire group that makes up half the country, simply for their beliefs"


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Trump supporters point to policy AND laws as a cover, because they know they’ll be hated if they speak freely. Sounds like hell.


This is an indictment on people’s actions. Where did I criticize anyone’s beliefs and values?


BrerRabbit - 9/4/2019 at 08:17 PM

What is wrong with criticizing beliefs and values? Some help me out here.


Skydog32103 - 9/4/2019 at 09:09 PM

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What is wrong with criticizing beliefs and values? Some help me out here.


In relation to our two political parties, we should criticize actions or policies, but not each group’s values. Neither is inherently wrong or immoral. It’s the individual’s choices and actions that should be open to criticism.


BrerRabbit - 9/4/2019 at 09:31 PM

Choices and actions are the result of beliefs and values. When you criticize actions you are criticizing beliefs and values.

Honestly not trolling or trying to start sh!t, but I say criticize away!


jkeller - 9/5/2019 at 02:05 AM

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Are you saying that the Japanese entered the country illegally or are moving the goal posts again?


" I would ask "What crimes" U.S. Citizens of Japanese descent committed?
Goes to reading comprehension..

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Most of the people being held came through legal ports of entry seeking asylum. But you know and ignore that.


"Most"..... I Disagree



https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-21/trump-family-detentions-fl ores-agreement


Skydog32103 - 9/5/2019 at 02:11 AM

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Choices and actions are the result of beliefs and values. When you criticize actions you are criticizing beliefs and values.


That’s not how I see it in regard to our two political parties. For example, I’m pro-choice for several reasons, but I don’t think it’s right to criticize someone for the sole reason that they are pro-life. I do think it’s acceptable to criticize what we do in response to those beliefs - in other words, how we act and how we speak about it. The back and forth between our parties during Bush and Obama was intense, but it wasn’t anything we hadn’t seen before. Most importantly, both leaders were civil and had honor. The only thing new and different is Trump. Every presidential candidate before him rose to the same level of professionalism that is expected by all American workers. It was a conscious choice by Trump to take the low road, and it was a collective conscious choice among conservatives to choose the low road.

I don’t see anything wrong with their values - just their foolish way of trying to bring those values to life.


BIGV - 9/5/2019 at 03:15 AM

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What is wrong with criticizing beliefs and values? Some help me out here.


In relation to our two political parties, we should criticize actions or policies, but not each group’s values. Neither is inherently wrong or immoral. It’s the individual’s choices and actions that should be open to criticism.


Mow your own lawn. Free speech my friend.


Skydog32103 - 9/5/2019 at 04:23 AM

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Mow your own lawn. Free speech my friend.


??? No sh*t. What dumb point are you trying to make this time?


BIGV - 9/5/2019 at 04:27 AM

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Mow your own lawn. Free speech my friend.


??? No sh*t. What dumb point are you trying to make this time?


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we should criticize actions or policies, but not each group’s values


Mow your own lawn. Free speech my friend


Skydog32103 - 9/5/2019 at 11:43 AM

Yes, we all have free speech. I’m not suggesting we call the cops moron.


BIGV - 9/5/2019 at 02:36 PM

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Yes, we all have free speech. I’m not suggesting we call the cops moron.



PLEASE READ: Personal Attacks Will Result in a Ban


BrerRabbit - 9/5/2019 at 02:45 PM

What is personal attack about not suggesting we call the cops moron? Callng cops moron strikes me as a real quick route to the ER.


Skydog32103 - 9/5/2019 at 03:13 PM

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What is personal attack about not suggesting we call the cops moron? Callng cops moron strikes me as a real quick route to the ER.


The guy who cheers when the President of the United States launches daily personal attacks on Americans, the guy who needs to scapegoat liberals everyday with insults, is now asking that nobody calls him any names. LOL, wow! Just when I thought he couldn’t look any worse.

BIGV, I could care less if I get banned. I’m going to continue show you be same level of respect that you show for people. If I get banned, I’ll create a new account and be back to call you out some more. And I would t worry about the so-called “personal attacks”, because there’s nothing you can do to stop it. All I have to do is change some wording around, and he admin won’t have a problem with it. For example, “it is my opinion, that some Americans do not understand what bigotry is, nor do they understand why it’s wrong. These people are cancers and morons.” Now go get your shine box.


BIGV - 9/5/2019 at 03:37 PM

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What is personal attack about not suggesting we call the cops moron? Callng cops moron strikes me as a real quick route to the ER.


The guy who cheers when the President of the United States launches daily personal attacks on Americans, the guy who needs to scapegoat liberals everyday with insults, is now asking that nobody calls him any names. LOL, wow! Just when I thought he couldn’t look any worse.

BIGV, I could care less if I get banned. I’m going to continue show you be same level of respect that you show for people. If I get banned, I’ll create a new account and be back to call you out some more. And I would t worry about the so-called “personal attacks”, because there’s nothing you can do to stop it. All I have to do is change some wording around, and he admin won’t have a problem with it. For example, “it is my opinion, that some Americans do not understand what bigotry is, nor do they understand why it’s wrong. These people are cancers and morons.” Now go get your shine box.


Charming. You believe in Free speech as long as you agree with it.

Class act


Skydog32103 - 9/5/2019 at 04:31 PM

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You believe in Free speech as long as you agree with it.


Whatever makes you feel better.


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