Thread: NFL 2020

Lee - 7/31/2019 at 07:32 PM

Well all the teams are in camp. Anybody interested?

[Edited on 4/6/2020 by Lee]


Lee - 7/31/2019 at 07:44 PM

Just saw this:

RIP Nick Buoniconti.


BIGV - 7/31/2019 at 07:55 PM

Being a lifelong Saints fan, that game took all of the wind out of my sails and I've yet to pay much attention. But I will, I'll be there come the opener...

Dark-horses:
1) Jacksonville / Nick Foles should elevate them with that Defense
2) Cleveland - Of course
3) Oakland
4) Tennessee

The Bottom:

1) NYG
2) AZ
3) Miami


Lee - 7/31/2019 at 09:42 PM

Jacksonville should be interesting.
Cleveland is certainly the doll.
Oakland I disagree with.
NYG I agree with. I wonder if they make a QB change during the season.
I think Miami might be okay. Not great by any means but not horrible.


BIGV - 7/31/2019 at 09:50 PM

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Jacksonville should be interesting.
Cleveland is certainly the doll.
Oakland I disagree with.
NYG I agree with. I wonder if they make a QB change during the season.
I think Miami might be okay. Not great by any means but not horrible.



Lee, who is "your" team?


Lee - 7/31/2019 at 10:51 PM

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Jacksonville should be interesting.
Cleveland is certainly the doll.
Oakland I disagree with.
NYG I agree with. I wonder if they make a QB change during the season.
I think Miami might be okay. Not great by any means but not horrible.



Lee, who is "your" team?



Sadly, the Detroit Lions.


porkchopbob - 8/1/2019 at 08:32 PM

I'm pretty excited for the season. As a Packers fan, last season was a bit of a wash (who knew it would be the Bucks and Brewers featuring MVPs and nearly going the distance?), so I'm excited to see what LeFleur and a ton of fresh talent will bring to the table.


Lee - 8/2/2019 at 08:11 PM

Packers are 3 1/2 point dogs opening night. Not sure what I will do with that but since they have the hook (the extra half point) I think I would lean to them.


jszfunk - 8/3/2019 at 01:43 AM

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Being a lifelong Saints fan, that game took all of the wind out of my sails and I've yet to pay much attention. But I will, I'll be there come the opener...

Dark-horses:
1) Jacksonville / Nick Foles should elevate them with that Defense
2) Cleveland - Of course
3) Oakland
4) Tennessee

The Bottom:

1) NYG
2) AZ
3) Miami



Ehhhh...
Clev could implode real quick with all of those personalities.
Oak . Not impressed with last year.Gruden overrated. We'll see.
Tenn Not sold on them .Mariota should have taken that next step by now to be an upper tier QB. He is hurt alot. It's time for him to do something or look for another QB.
Jacksonville will be interesting. I like Foles and I hope he does well, besides against Indy.

Go Colts!!!


Stephen - 8/3/2019 at 01:30 PM

Pats will be in the mix as always -- also Browns this year
Happy birthday TB12, at 42 a top-rated QB


nebish - 8/3/2019 at 07:17 PM

Alot of expectations on Cleveland this year. Favored to win the division and relatively short odds to win the AFC.


Lee - 8/4/2019 at 12:41 PM

I bet my buddy on two team total wins for the year. He was beating down Cleveland and Chicago. So the bet is both will win at least seven games. Definitely more confident in the Bears so we bet $50 on that. I can up it I think too.


jszfunk - 8/6/2019 at 11:45 PM

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Alot of expectations on Cleveland this year. Favored to win the division and relatively short odds to win the AFC.


I would not bet anything on the Browns.


BIGV - 8/7/2019 at 12:06 AM

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Alot of expectations on Cleveland this year. Favored to win the division and relatively short odds to win the AFC.


I would not bet anything on the Browns.


Agreed, not yet


Lee - 8/7/2019 at 05:30 PM

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Alot of expectations on Cleveland this year. Favored to win the division and relatively short odds to win the AFC.


I would not bet anything on the Browns.


Agreed, not yet


To do what? Win a game? go 16-0? Depends on the bet. Win the division, no I doubt that. My bet was that they'd go 7-9. I believe they won seven last year.


jszfunk - 8/10/2019 at 06:33 AM

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Alot of expectations on Cleveland this year. Favored to win the division and relatively short odds to win the AFC.


I would not bet anything on the Browns.


Agreed, not yet


To do what? Win a game? go 16-0? Depends on the bet. Win the division, no I doubt that. My bet was that they'd go 7-9. I believe they won seven last year.


Yep..anything


nebish - 8/11/2019 at 04:13 AM

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Alot of expectations on Cleveland this year. Favored to win the division and relatively short odds to win the AFC.


I would not bet anything on the Browns.


Agreed, not yet


To do what? Win a game? go 16-0? Depends on the bet. Win the division, no I doubt that. My bet was that they'd go 7-9. I believe they won seven last year.


Yep..anything


Scoresandodds showing Cle and Pit co-favorites at 3-2 for division.

5dimes shows Cle favorite +140 to Pit +160.

I don't know about who among those two might win it. But I am pretty sure it won't be Baltimore or Cincy.


Lee - 8/11/2019 at 12:06 PM

That makes sense. On the surface. I never know what to do about Baltimore. I think it was good for them to part ways with Flacco. I think he has been overrated his whole career. So I wouldn't rule them out. Should be an interesting division race.

I'll still stick with Pittsburgh to win the division.


Lee - 8/12/2019 at 08:18 PM

I'm glad I'm not a Raider fan. I don't know what they were thinking taking on the headache that is Antonio Brown. This dude just gets weirder and weirder.

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-in-grievance-hearing-antonio-brown-said-hed -hold-nfl-liable-if-injured-in-new-helmet-152500273.html




porkchopbob - 8/12/2019 at 08:42 PM

The Raiders have been a hot mess even when Al Davis was there. It all goes on ownership, there's clearly a problem with the culture there. They will sign anyone, there's a reason it's a last stop for veterans looking for one last pay check or desperate players willing to sign anywhere. They signed Richie Incognito.

But I'm sure everything will be completely legit. After the move to Nevada.


Lee - 8/12/2019 at 08:55 PM

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The Raiders have been a hot mess even when Al Davis was there. It all goes on ownership, there's clearly a problem with the culture there. They will sign anyone, there's a reason it's a last stop for veterans looking for one last pay check or desperate players willing to sign anywhere. They signed Richie Incognito.

But I'm sure everything will be completely legit. After the move to Nevada.


Indeed. I think Al Davis loved that stuff. And if you haven't, read the books by Ken Stabler and Jack Tatum. And if you can find any, watch an interview with Fred Belitnekoff. That stuff is pretty darn funny.


porkchopbob - 8/15/2019 at 02:11 PM

Cool list of the top 100 squads. Even includes a pre-merger pre-Super Bowl AFL squad (1962 Oilers), something the NFL would have you believe doesn't exist.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2019/08/05/nfl-best-teams-history -all-time-patriots-bears-dolphins/


emr - 8/15/2019 at 08:30 PM

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The Raiders have been a hot mess even when Al Davis was there. It all goes on ownership, there's clearly a problem with the culture there. They will sign anyone, there's a reason it's a last stop for veterans looking for one last pay check or desperate players willing to sign anywhere. They signed Richie Incognito.

But I'm sure everything will be completely legit. After the move to Nevada.


Indeed. I think Al Davis loved that stuff. And if you haven't, read the books by Ken Stabler and Jack Tatum. And if you can find any, watch an interview with Fred Belitnekoff. That stuff is pretty darn funny.


I think it was Warren Wells who spent time in prison; Otis Sistrunk (from the University of Mars) Drafting a punter (Ray Guy) in first round and making it one of the best draft picks ever (term hand time was invented for him) The Snake fumbling forward for a TD necessitating a rule change. Casper and Christensen at the forefront of changing TE into a WR like position. The Mad Stork. Blanda having an MVP type season at I believe it was the age of 42.

"JUST WIN BABY!"


Lee - 8/25/2019 at 12:03 PM

Andrew Luck retires right before the season starts. Maybe given his injuries it is warranted but how can he do it now? Supposedly loves the team, the city and the organization but it looks like he left them in the lurch. Right before the season is going to start?


porkchopbob - 8/25/2019 at 10:30 PM

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Andrew Luck retires right before the season starts. Maybe given his injuries it is warranted but how can he do it now? Supposedly loves the team, the city and the organization but it looks like he left them in the lurch. Right before the season is going to start?


It's not the best timing, but can't be helped if Luck's body said it was time. Luck was going to be out to start the season, but if his calf wasn't getting healthy, there was never any guarantee he would eventually get healthy enough to take the field. It certainly sounds like it's not the decision Luck wanted to have to make. Luckily the Colts are in the AFC South, often the worst division in the NFL, so there is still hope for Colts fans that their QB coach Frank Reich can fix the ship. And at least the team knows they won't need to spend any time waiting for Luck to return this season and can focus on other QBs.


emr - 8/26/2019 at 12:37 AM

The colts weren't angry. They had the right to withold money from Luck but let him have the total of his contract. They guy gave it his all; was great for a few seasons but injuries robbed him


porkchopbob - 8/26/2019 at 08:23 PM

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The colts weren't angry. They had the right to withold money from Luck but let him have the total of his contract. They guy gave it his all; was great for a few seasons but injuries robbed him


Actually, since he's now retiring, Luck won't take a salary this season or receive any future bonuses that he was previously owed. The money they chose not to try to get back were bonuses he had already received. https://thebiglead.com/2019/08/24/andrew-luck-contract-details-are-straight forward/

Dude missed a whole season, and couldn't finish another season due to a lacerated kidney. Muscle and ligament damage football players come to expect, but when your organs start getting beaten, I'd probably take stock of the importance of the game as well.

Obviously it's disappointing for the franchise and most Colts fans continue to support their team. But I imagine Luck has no second thoughts about putting his body on the line for the fans that booed him for stepping away. How do the rest of the Colts players feel after some butt hurt fans try to return their season tickets?


BIGV - 8/26/2019 at 08:34 PM

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But I imagine Luck has no second thoughts about putting his body on the line for the fans that booed him for stepping away.


Spot on.


Sang - 8/26/2019 at 08:41 PM

I have renewed the NFL Pick 'em leagues from last year. Last year there were only a few that played - it would be great to get a better showing and a little more competition ..... although I only do this to beat DanB ...


ABBWP - no spread, drops lowest 1 week score - group 28565 password butch


ABBSpread - spreads, drops lowest 1 week score - group 28564 password gregg

If you are new to the league, just go to https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/pickem/register/joingroup and join a league - enter the group number and password above and you are in.


Join both or just 1 - invite your non-ABB member friends/family to play also - it's all for fun and bragging rights

[Edited on 8/27/2019 by Sang]


nebish - 8/27/2019 at 01:24 AM

I joined both. The link you had Sang took me to a fantasy football league thing. I went here to get in the pick'em leagues:
https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/pickem/register/joingroup


Sang - 8/27/2019 at 03:41 AM

Thanks nebish - I fixed it on the original post.


piacere - 8/27/2019 at 10:45 AM

I'm in. (w/spread)

[Edited on 8/27/2019 by piacere]


jszfunk - 8/28/2019 at 05:40 PM

live in the Indy area and needless to say its been kinda crazy here the last few days. For about a second when I heard the news I was shocked/surreal feeling.But then I thought,can't blame him. It's sad, but I wish him the best.

I really liked him as a QB ,the way he played the game,the manner he conducted himself and etc...

This guy took an unholy.....UNHOLY beating here. I probably saw every snap he took during his time.
I told my wife and family during his 1st year and watching what was happening that the upper brass needs to invest in people to protect or they are going to ruin him.
He never flinched , always hopping back up after getting hit,sacked,pummeled to go right back at it and lead his team. He carried this franchise ,especially his first three years.

The fans that booed him were a very small portion of that crowd and should be ashamed. Every sports franchise has a small sector of the fan base that are delusional and that's what happened the other night.

Andrew is a smart guy and he made the right decision for himself.

Jacoby will take over now and we can only hope he can show us that this franchise will be in good hands like Andrew did 7 yrs ago taking over for Peyton.


nebish - 8/28/2019 at 08:06 PM

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it would be great to get a better showing and a little more competition


There is decent conversation in the NFL thread...come on guys, play in the pick'em league(s)! It adds to the fun, is free and no hassle to do it!!


porkchopbob - 8/28/2019 at 08:11 PM

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The fans that booed him were a very small portion of that crowd and should be ashamed. Every sports franchise has a small sector of the fan base that are delusional and that's what happened the other night.


The vocal few are always the loudest and saddest. I don't think many thought they reflected the Colts fanbase as a whole.


Sang - 9/3/2019 at 04:21 PM

Bears - Packers. Thursday night..... 100th year.

Let's get some more people to join the pick 'em leagues - info a few posts above - there is still plenty of time.


oh.... and GO BEARS!


piacere - 9/3/2019 at 04:30 PM

Three ain't gonna cut it.


BIGV - 9/3/2019 at 04:39 PM

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I joined both.


Joined one


piacere - 9/4/2019 at 10:41 AM

Game tomorrow and four of us in the spread group. Not sure I'll play. We need a couple, three more.

Should be an interesting season. KC's offense looks monster good.


porkchopbob - 9/4/2019 at 01:34 PM

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Bears - Packers. Thursday night..... 100th year.

Let's get some more people to join the pick 'em leagues - info a few posts above - there is still plenty of time.


oh.... and GO BEARS!

Did the Chicago Chipmunks find a new kicker yet?

Go Pack Go

[Edited on 9/4/2019 by porkchopbob]


nebish - 9/5/2019 at 03:03 PM

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Game tomorrow and four of us in the spread group. Not sure I'll play. We need a couple, three more.

Should be an interesting season. KC's offense looks monster good.


4 is alright, but why doesn't Lee join? Or Bob? Jszfunk, Stephen?....What happened to Wharfrat, he used to always play these years ago didn't he? He is in the college pick'em. YOu have his email address to send him an invite Sang?

Where is Leglizhemp?

How about Andy - fensranger - JETS


piacere - 9/5/2019 at 04:14 PM

Ya think 4 is enough? I don't know man. A while back we had like 10, 12. I might do it just for sh!ts and giggles. Not sure. I'll check tonight before kickoff, see what's up.


nebish - 9/5/2019 at 04:27 PM

Last year was 3. If anyone has time, probably need to email some users with invites for those that don't frequent here as much.


piacere - 9/5/2019 at 06:18 PM

Hey, Steel Curtain.

Not this week

heh heh

go pats


Lee - 9/5/2019 at 08:31 PM

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Game tomorrow and four of us in the spread group. Not sure I'll play. We need a couple, three more.

Should be an interesting season. KC's offense looks monster good.


4 is alright, but why doesn't Lee join? Or Bob? Jszfunk, Stephen?....What happened to Wharfrat, he used to always play these years ago didn't he? He is in the college pick'em. YOu have his email address to send him an invite Sang?

Where is Leglizhemp?

How about Andy - fensranger - JETS


I think I've posted this in prior years. I'm in cash leagues so I pay WAY more attention to those. And I don't need a ton of reminders from Yahoo. No big deal, I just think they are more fun.


Lee - 9/5/2019 at 08:37 PM

So Antonio Brown suspended? Is anyone surprised? What a mess...


piacere - 9/6/2019 at 10:19 AM

We all picked the Bears.


porkchopbob - 9/6/2019 at 12:33 PM

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We all picked the Bears.



Not me!


porkchopbob - 9/6/2019 at 12:36 PM

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Bears - Packers. Thursday night..... 100th year.

Let's get some more people to join the pick 'em leagues - info a few posts above - there is still plenty of time.


oh.... and GO BEARS!

Did the Chicago Chipmunks find a new kicker yet?

Go Pack Go


Looks like the Bears fixed their FG kicking issues!

Great win for the Packers, who now hold the best record in the entire league

Defense looks great, they dumped a lot of dead weight in the off season. Offense is still finding their stride, especially the running game. I like what I see so far.


nebish - 9/6/2019 at 01:49 PM

I fell asleep. What happened to the was-supposed-to-be-great Bears offense?

Saw the deep pass Packers had in the first half to set up the TD. Outside of that I guess I didn't miss much.


porkchopbob - 9/6/2019 at 02:05 PM

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I fell asleep. What happened to the was-supposed-to-be-great Bears offense?

Saw the deep pass Packers had in the first half to set up the TD. Outside of that I guess I didn't miss much.


Defensive battles can be just as exciting and Packers-Bears black & blue games are traditionally low-scoring, but it was sloppy at times (1st and 40?). If you like offense, the Cubs and Brewers each scored more than the Bears did last night. With teams holding back their assets in the preseason, the openers act as a tune up, which becomes more of an issue since the league began scheduling division games at the top of the season. I doubt Sunday will be any more elegant for younger teams.


Lee - 9/6/2019 at 10:35 PM

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I fell asleep. What happened to the was-supposed-to-be-great Bears offense?

Saw the deep pass Packers had in the first half to set up the TD. Outside of that I guess I didn't miss much.


I live in Chicago and haven't heard anything about a great offense. It's all their defense. But yes, their offense sucked big time.


Lee - 9/6/2019 at 10:39 PM

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I fell asleep. What happened to the was-supposed-to-be-great Bears offense?

Saw the deep pass Packers had in the first half to set up the TD. Outside of that I guess I didn't miss much.


Defensive battles can be just as exciting and Packers-Bears black & blue games are traditionally low-scoring, but it was sloppy at times (1st and 40?). If you like offense, the Cubs and Brewers each scored more than the Bears did last night. With teams holding back their assets in the preseason, the openers act as a tune up, which becomes more of an issue since the league began scheduling division games at the top of the season. I doubt Sunday will be any more elegant for younger teams.


Bob, I agree about some exciting defensive games and I agree that the game was sloppy. And ugly. One of the most boring games I have seen in a long time.


porkchopbob - 9/7/2019 at 04:11 PM

If the Raiders are so over Antonio Brown, will the XFL take a chance? Probably not for $30M.


Lee - 9/7/2019 at 05:42 PM

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If the Raiders are so over Antonio Brown, will the XFL take a chance? Probably not for $30M.


My wife and I were just talking about this when we heard about it. My guess, speculation is someone in one of these leagues (whatever they are) might throw him a bone and offer maybe 1 million conditional bucks on the off chance that he keeps his nose clean. Although different situations, I equate it to Kapernick for the NFL. Does anyone really want to touch the mess?


porkchopbob - 9/7/2019 at 05:54 PM

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Does anyone really want to touch the mess?

The Raiders has been the "last stop" for players, either troubled (Incognito) or in their twilight, for a while now. His options will be incredibly limited, I doubt even the Vikings would touch him. Maybe Cincy?


porkchopbob - 9/7/2019 at 09:26 PM

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27561787/brown-agrees-deal-patriots

Antonio Brown signs with the Patriots. What if this was the plan all along? Who would you rather play for - Dumpster Fire Oakland or 6-Rings Belichek?

Maybe he's crazy like a fox.


jszfunk - 9/8/2019 at 09:28 PM

How about those Browns!?! They got a 30 point beating.


Stephen - 9/9/2019 at 02:50 AM

They should pull TB for the 4th qtr IMO - they’re way ahead, why risk anything
Yep when the Browns blew the PAT after their early TD - well ya kinda sorta had a feeling....welcome to another season of Browns football - can only get better tho, next one Monday nite in NY


BIGV - 9/9/2019 at 03:36 AM

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Yep when the Browns blew the PAT after their early TD - well ya kinda sorta had a feeling....welcome to another season of Browns football - can only get better tho, next one Monday nite in NY


Yeah, makes you wonder. Here's a team and franchise with no real history of winning; too easily believing all the hype. Now comes the tough part, winning.


porkchopbob - 9/9/2019 at 01:14 PM

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Yeah, makes you wonder. Here's a team and franchise with no real history of winning; too easily believing all the hype. Now comes the tough part, winning.

The Browns franchise had a significant history of winning through out the 40s-60s and, to a lesser extent, in the 80s. They were definitely over-hyped based on 1 ok season, but it's also only Week 1. There's a lot of football left.


porkchopbob - 9/13/2019 at 03:57 PM

The Golden Boy is still at it:

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2019/09/12/packers-leg end-hornung-place-first-legal-sports-bet-casino/2300642001/

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Thursday marked the opening of a sports book in Clark County, Indiana, a move that came after the state legalized sports betting on Sept. 1.

At Horseshoe Casino in Elizabeth in Southern Indiana, former Green Bay Packers star Paul Hornung was set to place the ceremonial first wager, which is somewhat amusing when you consider Hornung's history with gambling.

The Pro Football Hall of Famer, 83, was the first overall pick in the 1957 NFL Draft and won four NFL championships with the Packers as the team's halfback and kicker.

He also was suspended from the NFL for the entire 1963 season for gambling.

According to Pro Football Talk, part of Hornung's agreement with then-NFL commissioner Pete Rozelle to get reinstated was to avoid any contact with football betting and stop traveling to Las Vegas. He also was barred from attending the Kentucky Derby, something he had done since childhood. He still lives in Louisville today, but he did play college football at Notre Dame in Indiana. Elizabeth is just across the Kentucky/Indiana border, just more than 20 miles from Louisville.

Paul Hornung's first bet at the new sports book service at Horseshoe Casino on Thursday afternoon was on the New Orleans Saints to win the Super Bowl


piacere - 9/13/2019 at 04:27 PM

Pretty good bet.


porkchopbob - 9/18/2019 at 02:27 PM

It's not deja vu, Eli Manning has been benched again. Looks like it's the end for him in East Rutherford. I wonder how Ben McAdoo is feeling today, he was probably right to sit Eli two years ago. NY fans and media are quick to loose patience and run players out of town, but are always faithful if they get championships. What a mixed legacy he will have - 2 Super Bowls against the top team of the era, but otherwise barely mediocre. Had his last name not been "Manning" I wonder if he would have been given as long of a rope.

Meanwhile, tough breaks for Pittsburgh and New Orleans. Always sucks to see QBs go down.


jszfunk - 9/19/2019 at 01:34 AM

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It's not deja vu, Eli Manning has been benched again. Looks like it's the end for him in East Rutherford. I wonder how Ben McAdoo is feeling today, he was probably right to sit Eli two years ago. NY fans and media are quick to loose patience and run players out of town, but are always faithful if they get championships. What a mixed legacy he will have - 2 Super Bowls against the top team of the era, but otherwise barely mediocre. Had his last name not been "Manning" I wonder if he would have been given as long of a rope.

Meanwhile, tough breaks for Pittsburgh and New Orleans. Always sucks to see QBs go down.


Always been a fan of BR .


Lee - 9/20/2019 at 09:12 PM

Patriots release Brown. One game. Sheesh.


Stephen - 9/23/2019 at 04:48 PM

Sabres stahted fast last year, fizzled
Now it’s the Bills, & the Sabiz In shouldah pads, they dontalook like as they brace for Brady & Pats
In A Matchup Of Unbeatens
when was the last time that happened - Bills a flash in the pan or real-dealio
TB passed Drew Brees for 2nd In career TD passes, leaving him 16 short of Peyton M’s all-time mark of 539

[Edited on 9/23/2019 by Stephen]


nebish - 9/24/2019 at 12:35 PM

That was a great finish for NYG and Daniel Jones vs Tampa! Hats off to Eli for being supportive.


jszfunk - 9/27/2019 at 04:05 AM

Packers should not have choked that game up. Packers could not run the ball. and Phila had 172 yrs rushing. Plenty of chance to win but could not seal the deal.


piacere - 10/7/2019 at 11:20 AM

For not knowing a thing about football my girlfriend is doing OK in the pick 'em. She doesn't go by spread, record, home field, injuries, etc. but team colors or what city a team is from or if a ram can beat a falcon. Too funny. She likes picking the teams for the five minutes we spend on it (when we remember) and is completely ambivalent with the results, bless her heart.


porkchopbob - 10/7/2019 at 01:13 PM

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Packers should not have choked that game up. Packers could not run the ball. and Phila had 172 yrs rushing. Plenty of chance to win but could not seal the deal.

That was a garbage game, by both sides. Sloppy, and a little dirty, street football. Tough to watch. Hopefully they learn from it.

Yesterday, however, was a nice showing by the Packers offense on the road, and their defense eventually held. Credit to the Cowboys for not completely unraveling and making a game out of it. Hopefully we will get a whole game out of both the Packers's offense and D. Dallas came into the game 3-1, but those wins were against NYG, WASH, and MIA, so you'd think the result wouldn't have surprised and devastated Troy and Joe Buck so (wish Buck would stick to Cardinals games).

Speaking of Washington, Jay Gruden has been fired. Hasn't been easy considering the QB carousel they've gone through since he arrived - RGIII, Cousins, then finally looking good last season until Alex Smith pulled a Theisman.

Speaking of Cousins, I said this when Minnesota went after him, but how long until the Vikings tire of him look for the next sexy QB? It's happening.

Meanwhile, all of those Colts fans who wanted to return their season tickets might be surprised that to learn that they still have a decent team and handed KC their first loss.


Stephen - 10/7/2019 at 01:29 PM

They usually have audible crowd support in most every road game, but that might have been the most vocal such pro-Pats crowd ever ystrdy in Wash DC (Gruden is gone) -

Eli will be riding the pine as Peyton watches 12 get closer to his career TD pass record Thurs - let’s go Browns, time to hand SF 1st defeat


porkchopbob - 10/7/2019 at 01:45 PM

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They usually have audible crowd support in most every road game, but that might have been the most vocal such pro-Pats crowd ever ystrdy in Wash DC (Gruden is gone) -

Washington is on the road in Miami this weekend. Will anyone show up?


Stephen - 10/7/2019 at 02:04 PM

Good question, haha - those that do will have their paper bags handy


jszfunk - 10/8/2019 at 12:55 PM

Nick Bosa rips Baker Mayfield after blowout: 'He was panicking'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nick-bosa-rips-baker-mayfield-after-bl owout-he-was-panicking/ar-AAIrhM4?ocid=spartanntp


nebish - 10/8/2019 at 01:52 PM

Cleveland is alternating losses and wins, would mean...they beat Seattle next week?

Good thing New England has beat Buffalo (by 6) because...otherwise they have beat 3-of-the-4 worst teams there is, NYJ, MIA, WAS 0-13 combined, oh, and they beat the 1-4 Steelers. Good job Pats.

Would be cool to see Giants give them a game Thursday.


Stephen - 10/8/2019 at 02:14 PM

Mayfield got little help from the OL & WRs - but a blowout it was
Yeah it should be a competitive game Thurs, Pats have their own OL issues


Stephen - 10/8/2019 at 02:14 PM

Mayfield got little help from the OL & WRs - but a blowout it was
Yeah it should be a competitive game Thurs, Pats have their own OL issues


Lee - 10/8/2019 at 07:57 PM

Miami & Washington play each other Sunday. Two winless teams. I hope the game end in a 0-0 tie. So then they would both be without a win.


porkchopbob - 10/8/2019 at 08:12 PM

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They usually have audible crowd support in most every road game, but that might have been the most vocal such pro-Pats crowd ever ystrdy in Wash DC (Gruden is gone) -

Washington is on the road in Miami this weekend. Will anyone show up?

Been thinking on it since I brought it up here. I live in south Florida, not far from the Hard Rock Landsharkerwhatever stadium. I'm going to wait until Friday/Saturday, see how cheap tickets get. How low can they go - $40? $20? $10?! Some fan base is going to feel devastated, the other will be totally embarrassed. I might as well get some cheap tailgating in, right?


nebish - 10/11/2019 at 01:44 PM

Was an interesting game last night for a little over 3 quarters.


nebish - 10/13/2019 at 08:53 PM

Fitzmagic comes in for the late cover!

That was some of the worst OL play I've down there in Miami. Cincy OL is just as bad, I had not seen Miami until today.


nebish - 10/14/2019 at 01:51 AM

If there are two things in NFL that are always true:
1) Patriots are good
2) The Chargers will suck


porkchopbob - 10/14/2019 at 01:55 PM

Dallas continues to prove the 'boys probably aren't any good this season. But the NFC East is still up for grabs, so who knows? Nice win for the Jets, though.

I didn't make it to the Wash-Miami game (tickets were low, but didn't bottom out like I thought they would), but had a lot of friends who did and it was an empty affair. Puts to rest any debate on whether they are tanking or not.

49ers are quietly rolling after a cream puff opening schedule. Should be interesting when they play the Seahawks, Packers, and Saints in a few weeks.


porkchopbob - 10/14/2019 at 08:43 PM

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To be fair to the Chargers, they finally had a decent season in 2018 going 12-4. That's a minor miracle considering no one in San Diego cared about them while they were breaking up with that city, and no one in LA cares about them yet. Tough to attract talent when you can't fill a 27,000 seat stadium in the sun with your own fans.


Lee - 10/15/2019 at 08:04 PM

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2) The Chargers will suck

To be fair to the Chargers, they finally had a decent season in 2018 going 12-4. That's a minor miracle considering no one in San Diego cared about them while they were breaking up with that city, and no one in LA cares about them yet. Tough to attract talent when you can't fill a 27,000 seat stadium in the sun with your own fans.


Do you think Philip Rivers is a Hall of Famer? If I had a vote I would say yes. Do I think he will get in? Nope.


Lee - 10/15/2019 at 08:08 PM

The Lions got totally screwed last night. I don't want to say the NFL wanted Green Bay to win or anything but some of those calls were unbelievable. Hands to the face? Twice? Called by the same official? The guy didn't touch the other player's face mask or anything. His hands were on the jersey. Lions should have won that game.


porkchopbob - 10/15/2019 at 08:18 PM

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2) The Chargers will suck

To be fair to the Chargers, they finally had a decent season in 2018 going 12-4. That's a minor miracle considering no one in San Diego cared about them while they were breaking up with that city, and no one in LA cares about them yet. Tough to attract talent when you can't fill a 27,000 seat stadium in the sun with your own fans.

Do you think Philip Rivers is a Hall of Famer? If I had a vote I would say yes. Do I think he will get in? Nope.

Good question. Hard to compare eras, but two comparisons are Dan Fouts and the player Rivers was traded for, Eli Manning.

Dan Fouts had a similar career in SD - huge numbers, no Super Bowl appearance - and he made into the Hall of Fame.

Meanwhile Eli Manning won 2 Super Bowls but has never been about the stats, having some mediocre seasons in between Super Bowls, even within those SB seasons. Meanwhile, Rivers had a couple of really good Chargers squads that couldn't make it past Peyton or Brady.

Eli has a leg up with his Super Bowl wins in a big market, and being a Manning, but it's hard to put one in and not the other. I'd be inclined to put Rivers in over Eli.

Maybe Rivers's most amazing stat: he hasn't missed a game since taking over from Drew Brees, even toughing out an AFC Championship Game with a torn ACL.


porkchopbob - 10/15/2019 at 08:25 PM

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The Lions got totally screwed last night. I don't want to say the NFL wanted Green Bay to win or anything but some of those calls were unbelievable. Hands to the face? Twice? Called by the same official? The guy didn't touch the other player's face mask or anything. His hands were on the jersey. Lions should have won that game.

As a Packers fan, I agree those 2 calls were nonsense. When it's 3rd down, it changes everything. Packers were on the other end of a bunch of those calls in the past few years, Clay Matthews couldn't even look at a QB without getting a flag. The officiating has gotten a little out of control the past few years, zebras are either too cautious or don't call anything at all to wait for a challenge to sort it out.

I still think GB would have won though


Lee - 10/15/2019 at 09:17 PM

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Dan Fouts had a similar career in SD - huge numbers, no Super Bowl appearance - and he made into the Hall of Fame.






Was the closest he ever got was the year they lost to Cincy in the AFC Championship game? 82 or 83?


porkchopbob - 10/15/2019 at 09:32 PM

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Dan Fouts had a similar career in SD - huge numbers, no Super Bowl appearance - and he made into the Hall of Fame.

Was the closest he ever got was the year they lost to Cincy in the AFC Championship game? 82 or 83?

Yeah, AFC Championship losses in 81 and 82, Raiders and Bengals.


nebish - 10/20/2019 at 02:18 PM

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2) The Chargers will suck

To be fair to the Chargers, they finally had a decent season in 2018 going 12-4. That's a minor miracle considering no one in San Diego cared about them while they were breaking up with that city, and no one in LA cares about them yet. Tough to attract talent when you can't fill a 27,000 seat stadium in the sun with your own fans.


From where I sit, River's makes just as many throws that costs his teams games that win them. There has been plenty of good, it isn't all suck, but plenty of bad too. And if there was ever a team to choke vs an inferior or down team, it is the Chargers (well, and Dallas).

Losing to struggling Denver and Pittsburgh with a rookie FCS QB in back-to-back weeks at home is pathetic for a team that is supposed to be playoff caliber.


piacere - 10/21/2019 at 01:54 PM

Can't blame Rivers for the last few seconds of yesterday's game...


Stephen - 10/22/2019 at 02:59 AM

Another cakewalk for Pats - their D has given up 3 TDS this season — not-too-shabby
The Dec 22 rematch w/Buff will be mondo on many fronts - yep on both the gridiron & sheet, Buffalo Has Returned - Pats D this year has been crazy
Blowing in from Lake Erie next week - a visit from the rested/rejuvenated (? ) Browns - I love em like Chief Wahoo

[Edited on 10/22/2019 by Stephen]


Lee - 10/27/2019 at 08:05 PM

Bears. What a joke. Glad I am not a fan but they are costing me money. They made a HUGE mistake with Trubiskey. It looked as though he had cash on SD.


Stephen - 10/28/2019 at 12:37 PM

Browns have a lock on new & unusual ways to screw up - the ball got kicked outta Chubb’s hands by a teammate - he coughed it up himself after a long gainer - the CB dropped an interception in the end zone that was thrown right to him - the usual exquisitely timed penalties, etc etc - Nick Chubb was a standout tho - predicting they’ll beat Denver next week

Wanted Pats to win w/Browns making a game of it - if Pats can beat a good Balt team next week they’ll go into their bye week undefeated - 300 wins for Bill Belichick, joining George Halas (347) and Don Shula (324)

Buff has easy schedule upcoming, Wash (1-7), Browns (2-5), Miami (0-8) & Denver (2-6) - still think that Dec 22 game will loom large for both teams

[Edited on 10/28/2019 by Stephen]


porkchopbob - 10/28/2019 at 01:51 PM

Gut check game for the Packers last night. I was actually worried they'd look past a Mohomes-less Chiefs, and they almost did after they went up 14-0. But they settled down nicely and dug in for the win.

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Bears. What a joke.

With all of the Super Bowl talk by Bears fans in the offseason, I can only laugh. With that D, they should be better, but it looks like the wheels are coming off another Bears QB.

Bummer for JJ Watt, you hate to see a guy like him go down for the season. Especially considering this looked like a rare solid season for the Texans.

Patriots look unstoppable, but they've only played one team with a winning record (Bills). Ravens, and later the Chiefs, should be nice tests for them to see how good they really are.


Stephen - 11/3/2019 at 02:45 PM

Bronco Flacco no-go, instead a rookie making his 1st start - good chance, on paper, for a Browns win in Dnvr, plus their level of play can only get better

Their DC fans showed up in force 4 weeks ago, Pats likely to see more road love tonite in nearby Baltimore - a big one to get going into their bye week

[Edited on 11/3/2019 by Stephen]


Lee - 11/3/2019 at 03:17 PM

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Gut check game for the Packers last night. I was actually worried they'd look past a Mohomes-less Chiefs, and they almost did after they went up 14-0. But they settled down nicely and dug in for the win.

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Bears. What a joke.

With all of the Super Bowl talk by Bears fans in the offseason, I can only laugh. With that D, they should be better, but it looks like the wheels are coming off another Bears QB.

Bummer for JJ Watt, you hate to see a guy like him go down for the season. Especially considering this looked like a rare solid season for the Texans.

Patriots look unstoppable, but they've only played one team with a winning record (Bills). Ravens, and later the Chiefs, should be nice tests for them to see how good they really are.


You are right about the Bears. I am not a fan by any means but when you live here and read the Chicago Tribune every day you get a pulse on how people feel. Nagy is starting to get A LOT of heat. I have to agree. Taking a knee last week at the end of the game, clock mismanagement at the end of the first half?

A good buddy of mine said the Bears wouldn't win seven games this year. Seven? Sure they will. Bet him $50 and now I am wondering.

Regarding JJ Watt, yeah that is a shame. Seems like he is always hurt. On the NFL Network earlier one of the analysts said it should't affect the Texans much because they are accustomed to not playing with him. That is sad.

The Patriots? I can't stand them and their coach but they keep on winning. You are right about their schedule. Will they go 16-0? They did it once in the regular season and didn't finish.


porkchopbob - 11/5/2019 at 07:16 PM

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Patriots look unstoppable, but they've only played one team with a winning record (Bills). Ravens, and later the Chiefs, should be nice tests for them to see how good they really are.

The Patriots? I can't stand them and their coach but they keep on winning. You are right about their schedule. Will they go 16-0? They did it once in the regular season and didn't finish.

Ravens win. Looks like the Patriots are human after all.

That leaves SF as the only undefeated team in the league. They haven't really played any solid teams yet either, so next week's battle with Seattle should be telling (with the Packers and Saints on the horizon)

Texans look pretty solid with Deshaun "drafted after Mitch Trubisky" Watson manning the ship, with the Colts on their heels.

Cam Newton is shut down for the season, which means the Packers face another backup QB this weekend. They were lucky they laid an egg the same weekend everyone else in the NFC North lost.


BIGV - 11/5/2019 at 10:33 PM

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Cam Newton is shut down for the season, which means we are spared his fashion sense and pouting skills


Stephen - 11/8/2019 at 04:40 PM

They’re both located on the big lake
It’s Cleveland this wknd & Pats would benefit by Browns beating Buffalo Bills
A backfield of Nick Chubb & Kareem Hunt? It’s a done deal - all Baker will have to do is hand off
....until Browns bring back Josh Gordon & sign Antonio Brown - now watta team That’d be
Balt was impressive, esp w/that big drive at start of 2nd half - Pats back up by 2 games if Browns win

[Edited on 11/8/2019 by Stephen]


Bhawk - 11/9/2019 at 03:53 PM

Mahomes.


Stephen - 11/10/2019 at 09:33 PM

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Mahomes.

Passed for 446 yards, they didn’t play LeSean McCoy tho & lost by 3
A big drive by the Browns, then they hung on by their whiskers at the end for the win, also by 3 -
Big for Pats as they go into tougher part of their schedule - this was a well timed bye week, some of the injured starters should be back next week in Phila (5-4) - they’re coming in off their bye week too - Phila Flyiz in town tonite, kya-Mahn broonz - shoot, noticed no Sat. afternoon matinees w/them this year, had become a semi-regular thing

Ya The Browns Won One!!

[Edited on 11/10/2019 by Stephen]


crazyjoe - 11/12/2019 at 04:33 AM

Excellent action tonight on TV peoples! I joined just after half..........

Peace


Sang - 11/12/2019 at 05:13 AM

Last 2 weeks in the pick em pools have been brutal for everybody......


But I think if you are going to name your team kicksangsass you might want to make picks each week.....


piacere - 11/12/2019 at 11:21 AM

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Last 2 weeks in the pick em pools have been brutal for everybody......


But I think if you are going to name your team kicksangsass you might want to make picks each week.....


My girlfriend has been making the picks all season. Forgot to make the 4 o'clock picks. Would've had 8 wins. Not bad for a woman who thinks "touchback" is funny.


nebish - 11/12/2019 at 01:56 PM

Amazing game last night. So much drama and suspense. It is going to be difficult for SF to match that intensity next game. Seattle with bye.

That game was great!!


nebish - 11/12/2019 at 01:58 PM

You and me Sang in the straight up pool. I'm coming for you.


Sang - 11/12/2019 at 08:29 PM

I'll try to look scared...........


Stephen - 11/13/2019 at 03:02 AM

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Phila Flyiz in town tonite, kya-Mahn broonz - shoot, noticed no Sat. afternoon matinees w/them this year, had become a semi-regular thing



The cough up tonite will be tough to forget, that was 2 points in the bank after that big 10 minute blitz in 2nd period & a 4-0 third period lead - instead we sh!t the bed & now an L4 - still early yes but a complete bust tonite & would’ve been if we’d won the SO

Big NFL games this wknd


Stephen - 11/17/2019 at 03:44 PM

We coughed up another last nite, so did Flyiz & it’ll be a salty atmosphere at Pats- Eagles game in Philly - big for Pats w/Buff playing 2-7 Miami

That’s who Browns play next week - Browns have won 2 in a row & schedule is favorable w/Dolphins & two w/Bungles - just depends on how they adjust w/no Myles Garrett - guessing Kareem Hunt will have big game next week

Who benefitted most from their bye week will be interesting to see today in Phila - gotta strong suspicion it’ll be ‘the visiting team’

[Edited on 11/17/2019 by Stephen]


Stephen - 11/18/2019 at 12:47 AM

TB w/14 incomplete passes in the 1st half - his most ever in one half
On a day when they were Far from perfect, Pats found a way - punter & FG kicker are co-MVPs today
Phils got 49 free yards on a BS pass interference penalty, leading to their FG in 1st quarter
After that, Shut Down Cold - once again, crusher D

[Edited on 11/18/2019 by Stephen]


Stephen - 11/24/2019 at 01:27 PM

Same thing as last week, Buff has a winnable game & Pats must beat another traditional NFL team to keep 2 game lead
This time it’s Dallas “America’s Team” Cowboys (6-4)
Yes it’s their traditional nickname, however, they’re not the only team in Dallas, much-less America

That’s right - after 14 years in Anaheim & 13 in San Jose, Corey Perry & Joe Pavelski have joined forces w/Tyler Seguin, Jamie Benn & never-heard-of-him coach Jim Montgomery......& suddenly, their hockey team (13 of 15) is the hottest in the league & all-the- **** among Dallas fans while supplanting Cowboys as Lone Star(s)

TV ratings this afternoon would verify that - w/talk-of-the-league rookie Luka, Kristaps & Mavs (W4) playing TX rival Harden & Houston, most Dallas fans will likely be watching the second half of the basketball game, instead of the first half of the football game (they overlap) - even w/Pats

Pats likely to gain 10th win but even in Fxbrgh, it’s won’t be easy - wasn’t last week in Phila either - Browns can stay in it w/expected home win over Miami

[Edited on 11/24/2019 by Stephen]


Stephen - 11/25/2019 at 04:02 AM

SF is ‘uber-talented’ as we’re seeing, & now would that be all the sh!t or What - former Brady understudy Jimmy Garropolo & Niniz, 19-1, vs his mentor TB12 & defending-champion Patriots, also 19-1.....
.....in next year’s Super Bowl
It’d be a ratings wrecker, an advertising bonanza


piacere - 11/25/2019 at 02:47 PM

You mean 17-1.

Yeah, that'd be an awesome game.

I'd like to see the Pats go 18-1.

Again.


porkchopbob - 11/25/2019 at 03:39 PM

Packers got spanked, I'm not surprised. They've been coasting for a few weeks, lucky to get the Chiefs and Panthers without their starting QBs. There's a great team in there somewhere, but it doesn't seem to be all together yet. Can't throw down field when your offensive line is crumbling. And their secondary has been giving up too many big plays.


Stephen - 11/26/2019 at 06:51 PM

SF is very good tho, & How Good, we’ll see Sunday in Balt - that is a SB-caliber matchup - the Monday night MN-Seattle is tops also - Seattle & Buffalo are breathing down 49ers & Pats necks - Bills visit Cowboys Thursday
It’ll be a hostile environment Sunday night in Houston (7-4), few Pats fans there

[Edited on 11/26/2019 by Stephen]


Lee - 11/28/2019 at 01:08 PM

The Lions / Bears spread went from Lions -1 to Bears +6 this morning. Wow, a 7 point swing. I've actually heard of this QB they have today. He went to Purdue. Not bad in college. Undrafted.


Stephen - 11/29/2019 at 03:56 AM

Defecting is one thing but some Dallas fans were also defecating their dismay all over AT&T Stadium to match what they saw outta their football team during today’s game & while filing out early

& migrating toward the rink
Where the Stanley Cup champion Blues - who Dallas trails by 4 points - visit tmrw nite -
& their basketball team, a huge how-good-really-are-we game Sunday w/LeBron & league-leading Lakers

The Cowboys, an afterthought in the Big D - who’da.......
TX has another shot at an AFC East team Sunday in Houston - it too will prove fruitless

[Edited on 11/29/2019 by Stephen]


Stephen - 11/30/2019 at 11:11 PM

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Phila Flyiz in town tonite, kya-Mahn broonz - shoot, noticed no Sat. afternoon matinees w/them this year, had become a semi-regular thing



The cough up tonite will be tough to forget, that was 2 points in the bank after that big 10 minute blitz in 2nd period & a 4-0 third period lead - instead we sh!t the bed & now an L4 - still early yes but a complete bust tonite & would’ve been if we’d won the SO




Habs outplayed Flyiz but will still bring an L7 into the 2nd of their back to back tmrw in Boston

We waxed them 8-1 last week but Jaroslav still had to make 36 saves - go figure
biggest thing, we gotta keep pace w/Wash - it’s been dormant for years/will bump the old thread for puck posts in the future/should’ve in the first place

Bruce Cassidy’s record since taking over for the great Claude Julien
135-55 -
coach J is our all time winningest coach & as usual will be greeted accordingly

Can’t forget 40 years ago “on this day” - Marvin Hagler vs. Vito Antuofermo, one of the greatest 15-round matches Ever - & the call of a draw was spot on

Big NFL games tomorrow, it’s in Pittsburgh this time, let’s go Browns

[Edited on 12/1/2019 by Stephen]


Stephen - 12/2/2019 at 11:42 AM

Cincy, Miami & Wash all won, Pats & SF lost - some pool beatdowns today altho Niniz-Balt was no gimme - that Dec 22 Bills game will determine division - Balt can help by beating Buff next week, that’s a real good matchup - Ravens are beating the best out there -
Pats will be fine - Houston was sharp last night, great QB in Watson - it’s KC next week - & what will Browns do w/suddenly-streaking Cincy

[Edited on 12/2/2019 by Stephen]


porkchopbob - 12/2/2019 at 02:40 PM

Baltimore looks like the real deal, 49ers don't look bad either. Could be a Super Bowl preview, would be an interesting rematch.

This might be the weakest Pats team in a few years. Still good but the Chiefs and Bills games will be telling. Can't sleep on the Chiefs since they've got Mahomes back.

Nice to see the Dolphins win one, hard to root against Fitzy.

Packers were finally able to put some distance between them and the Giants in the 4th quarter, 3 picks doesn't hurt. They need to get their running game back on track if they want a home playoff game, which would likely be against Minnesota or Seattle (who square off tonight!).

Also, can we talk about how terrible Atlanta Falcons fans are? Fancy new stadium was completely empty on Thanksgiving night even though they still had a chance late in the game against their biggest rival.


BIGV - 12/2/2019 at 05:34 PM

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We'll see Sunday in New Orleans


PhotoRon286 - 12/2/2019 at 06:49 PM

The Bengals win (WTF?) was the first and only win for a team with a feline name/mascot since that black cat interrupted a game a few weeks back.

Going into yesterday all those teams were 0-12.

Weird.


Lee - 12/2/2019 at 10:01 PM

Living in Chicago, I obviously have to read / watch / hear delusional Bears fans talk about their team. I must chuckle when I read / watch / hear folks talk about the Bears going to the playoffs.

They are 6-6. Their remaining schedule:

Cowboys
@ Packers
Chiefs
@ Vikings

They have two teams they have to pass. I think they could be three games back after tonight if I am looking at it correctly.


porkchopbob - 12/3/2019 at 02:11 PM

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Living in Chicago, I obviously have to read / watch / hear delusional Bears fans talk about their team. I must chuckle when I read / watch / hear folks talk about the Bears going to the playoffs.

They are 6-6. Their remaining schedule:

Cowboys
@ Packers
Chiefs
@ Vikings

They have two teams they have to pass. I think they could be three games back after tonight if I am looking at it correctly.

If the Bears's defense woke up, they could maybe take 3 of those games - Dallas is certainly mortal and division games are often a toss up. But that still keeps them behind the other 2 Wild Cards, most likely. I'm not surprised they took a step back this year, Chicago is itching for the Bears to be good again.

Speaking of Wild Cards, the 49ers and Seahawks are neck and neck in the West, and Seattle has the slightly easier schedule and already a head-to-head win. Slightly more exciting division race than the NFC East...


Lee - 12/4/2019 at 10:46 AM

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Living in Chicago, I obviously have to read / watch / hear delusional Bears fans talk about their team. I must chuckle when I read / watch / hear folks talk about the Bears going to the playoffs.

They are 6-6. Their remaining schedule:

Cowboys
@ Packers
Chiefs
@ Vikings

They have two teams they have to pass. I think they could be three games back after tonight if I am looking at it correctly.

If the Bears's defense woke up, they could maybe take 3 of those games - Dallas is certainly mortal and division games are often a toss up. But that still keeps them behind the other 2 Wild Cards, most likely. I'm not surprised they took a step back this year, Chicago is itching for the Bears to be good again.

Speaking of Wild Cards, the 49ers and Seahawks are neck and neck in the West, and Seattle has the slightly easier schedule and already a head-to-head win. Slightly more exciting division race than the NFC East...


I agree with you about the Bears defense not being as good as say, last year, but should you really have to rely THAT much on your D to score? Their offense has been rather anemic to say the least. They can't run and Trubiskey just isn't that good.

I don't know what to make of your Packers. I haven't seen the consistency out of them. That SF game was brutal.

The NFC West is the best division in the league. Kind of a shame either SF or Seattle has to play that first weekend.

NFC East: Unreal. At the moment I think Dallas would get a home game against a team with four more wins than them just because they won their division. I think a couple of times a team has gotten into the playoffs with a losing record. I don't know if Dallas can pull that off but they are pretty darn close.


porkchopbob - 12/4/2019 at 02:25 PM

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I agree with you about the Bears defense not being as good as say, last year, but should you really have to rely THAT much on your D to score? Their offense has been rather anemic to say the least. They can't run and Trubiskey just isn't that good.

I don't know what to make of your Packers. I haven't seen the consistency out of them. That SF game was brutal.

The NFC West is the best division in the league. Kind of a shame either SF or Seattle has to play that first weekend.

NFC East: Unreal. At the moment I think Dallas would get a home game against a team with four more wins than them just because they won their division. I think a couple of times a team has gotten into the playoffs with a losing record. I don't know if Dallas can pull that off but they are pretty darn close.

Maybe Trubby isn't that good, or maybe he just needs a little more time. Teams seem quick to quit on decent QBs as if they are going to find a Rodgers or a Brady sitting on their bench (which is, to be fair, where they were both found...)

Packers are still young and rebuilding. The team had a complete overhaul and I don't think anyone expected them to have such a solid record so quickly. But their O-line and secondary needs an update. SF is just a year ahead on their rebuild. A lot of teams that are in their first year of rebuilding benefit from a soft schedule.

Seattle was the first 7-9 team to win their division, in 2010 I think? And they won a playoff game. I think there was a 7-9 Panthers NFC South champ one year too maybe? I still think a division winner should make the playoffs, but only host if they have a winning record.


Lee - 12/4/2019 at 11:15 PM

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I still think a division winner should make the playoffs, but only host if they have a winning record.


Interesting. So if a division winner is 9-7 say and a wildcard team is 12-4 would you give the 9-7 team home field? I actually think this can happen this year. Does one potential wildcard team try to beat out the other so they get home field? Tie breakers? I'm sure the NFL would figure that out.

It's a good conversation. Kind of like baseball trying to incentivize teams to win their division so they don't have to play that one game do or die thing.


porkchopbob - 12/6/2019 at 02:29 PM

Leave it to the Cowboys to make Trubby look like Sid Luckman. Even if the Cowboys still win the East, I'd be very surprised if Garrett survives in Dallas.

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So if a division winner is 9-7 say and a wildcard team is 12-4 would you give the 9-7 team home field? I actually think this can happen this year.

It absolutely will now, more likely an 8-8 team at best. The Eagles could very easily take back the division. But 9-7 is still a winning record. Home field is definitely an advantage, but if you're 12-4 Wild Card team you should be able to beat a 9-7 team even on the road.


BIGV - 12/6/2019 at 02:46 PM

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The Eagles could very easily take back the division.


"Very Easily"....Didn't they just lose to the Dolphins?


porkchopbob - 12/6/2019 at 03:18 PM

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The Eagles could very easily take back the division.

"Very Easily"....Didn't they just lose to the Dolphins?

That's exactly the point [slow clap], the Cowboys are spiraling that quickly after a tough stretch of games. But the Eagles only have division games remaining and are only a game behind the Cowboys.


BIGV - 12/6/2019 at 03:33 PM

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the Cowboys are spiraling


OK, but didn't the Eagles just lose to the Dolphins ?


Stephen - 12/6/2019 at 05:47 PM

W/lowly NYG in town Monday it’d seem Phila would pull into the tie w/Dallas
However Eli Manning is back in the saddle, never know if or how the return of an old veteran like that might spur on a team

How the Pats played in the late stages in Houston will carry over to KC game - they’ll know Balt-Buff outcome & urgency will be there

[Edited on 12/6/2019 by Stephen]


porkchopbob - 12/9/2019 at 05:47 PM

Crazy game in the dome yesterday, came down to which ever team had it last. SF has put themselves ahead of Seattle in the Division and New Orleans in the conference.

Meanwhile, the other great game, New England got hosed by the refs. 2 touchdowns taken off the board by the zebras. It has not been a great year for NFL officiating.

And don't look now but somehow the Steelers are in the playoff race.


piacere - 12/9/2019 at 06:39 PM

Hosed or not the Pats stink. Can't beat a division winner in the AFC and you ain't got a chance. Worst 10-3 team I've ever seen. Jeez, they look like the Bears.


Stephen - 12/9/2019 at 07:01 PM

D is still top-rated in the league tho - easy one next week w/Cincy, also Buff-Pitts
A one-game lead going into the Buff game would be pivotal - some rough stretches in the last 2 games yes, but still think Pats will win div & go deep in playoffs


jszfunk - 12/11/2019 at 07:20 AM

If you have to cheat to beat the Bengals, you should be suspended for about 5 years.

Patriots' Bill Belichick denies involvement with videographer caught taping Bengals' sideline
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28265914/patriots-bill-belichick-denies -involvement-videographer-caught-taping-bengals-sideline


porkchopbob - 12/11/2019 at 04:49 PM

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Hosed or not the Pats stink. Can't beat a division winner in the AFC and you ain't got a chance. Worst 10-3 team I've ever seen. Jeez, they look like the Bears.


Dang, that's pretty sour, I think the Patriot's recent success has spoiled you a bit. Lions fans would give you their Ford truck for a 10-3 record. Enjoy watching Brady while he's on the field. It's all about when you peak. Playoff rematches are always a different game.


piacere - 12/11/2019 at 05:40 PM

Yeah, kinda spoiled. Though I go back to the late 60's with this team. I agree rematches are a different animal and Bill tunes them up to peak in January.Maybe I am a bit sour on them. I just can't see them beating KC or Baltimore. If Edelman gets hurt it's over.


Stephen - 12/11/2019 at 06:08 PM

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D is still top-rated in the league tho - easy one next week w/Cincy
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& that’s w/no DC too, Belichick has called the defensive alignments this season & look at the results
Cincy won their 1st 2 weeks ago, & outplayed Browns in every statistical category except final score Sunday.....
May not be as easy as 1st thought - Pats will have to be sharp - still, improving Bungles team & all, guessing Pats will have a lotta fans there & will return at 11-3

[Edited on 12/11/2019 by Stephen]


Stephen - 12/16/2019 at 03:23 AM

An ugly way for TB to pull within one of PManning’s career TD-pass record - missed several open receivers, 2nd straight subpar game

Belichick the 1st coach to make playoffs 11 straight seasons - 18 overall, leaving him tied for 2nd w/Tom Landry & 1 behind Don Shula - doubling as DC this season, it’s the 4th game they’ve had 4 interceptions

Now it’s Buffalo & who-know - it should all be in Pats’ wheelhouse, at home, can secure div against a much-improved ‘upstart’ opponent who want it tied at 11-4 before they leave

But they won’t - when they do depart, it will have been another Long day in Foxborough
Browns about done

[Edited on 12/16/2019 by Stephen]


Lee - 12/16/2019 at 10:43 PM

Well Da Bears crapped out once again. They sure can tease Chicago fans. At least being a Lions fan, I never get my hopes up.


Lee - 12/16/2019 at 11:39 PM

Just saw the thing on Josh Gordon. Really sad.


porkchopbob - 12/17/2019 at 02:27 PM

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Well Da Bears crapped out once again. They sure can tease Chicago fans. At least being a Lions fan, I never get my hopes up.

Not sure why the Bears can't turn the corner. I'd chalk it up to ownership, they've had some talent in the room and some solid coaches (no, not you, Trestman!)

NFC playoff picture is looking pretty wild - 49ers bumped into the Wild Card? If the Cowboys can carry their momentum (or even if they don't), this will be a solid set of playoff games. Seattle has been winning close games all season. Green Bay has been bending, but not breaking - not sure if they can do that against a top tier team. They need to turn their offense back on. New Orleans and San Fransisco have been pretty dominant, each with a dud game on their resume. Minnesota is still a bit of a dark horse, hard to tell if they can compete since Cousins is so hot and cold.

The separation in the AFC is a little more clear. The Ravens are the team to beat. KC is up there, their record is less impressive since Mahomes was out a couple games that he would have the difference in. New England is always going to be dangerous in the playoffs, even though everyone is waiting for the wheels to come off. Buffalo is young, but could surprise you. And then there's Houston and Pittsburgh.


jszfunk - 12/17/2019 at 05:40 PM

Drew Brees had a good game 29-30, shredded the Colts. Ugh!


Lee - 12/22/2019 at 02:27 PM

What a football day yesterday! All three NFL games were great. Houston screwed me by a half point but the Pats won me one by a half point. I knew they would go for two to get the score to a seven point spread. Would have sucked to have bet on Buffalo.

Today's schedule looks really good too. Believe it or not, Cleveland & Oakland both have really long shots at getting in the playoffs. Pittsburgh better win. Dallas / Philly? Really don't care about that one. One of those two lousy teams is going to get in. Really looking forward to the New Orleans / Tennessee game.

It's fun that these games in the last two weeks have playoff implications.


piacere - 12/22/2019 at 03:23 PM

I just don't see Titans hangin' with NO

+3 seems way off.


porkchopbob - 12/23/2019 at 02:45 PM

Dallas just can't help themselves. Eagles just have to beat the Giants and the East is theirs.

Steelers did themselves no favors, and now have to go through the Ravens. Not that anyone is worried about facing Pittsburgh in January.

How about the Cardinals? Seattle's hiccup puts the 49ers back in #1.

Should be a good game tonight, we'll see what the Packers are really made of. A win tonight clinches the division and puts them back in the #2 seed. Either way, the NFC playoffs is looking pretty competetive, especially if the Eagles have their sh1t together.


porkchopbob - 12/30/2019 at 02:38 PM

Another regular season in the books. A lot happened on the final day but most exciting is how about that FITZMAGIC!? What a weird career that guy has had, just could not find a system to stay in. A nice cap on what could have been a totally lost season for the Dolphins, forcing the Pats to play in the Wild Card Round. I think the Chiefs and Ravens are going to meet in the AFC Championship anyways.

Cowboys sure dropped the ball down the stretch. Thrashing the 'skins was way too little, too late. It will be interesting to see what happens in Dallas, Jerry Jones needs to give someone else some control. Seems like that might be happening in DC - Allen is out as GM and Ron Rivera is likely the new coach. Doubt that will change anything, the Redskins are basically the Knicks of the NFL with ownership dragging them down.

Pete Carroll has to feel pretty dumb for giving up 1st and goal from the 1 with a delay of game penalty. Way to squander a prime Beast Mode moment.

And how about them Browns? Kitchens is gone, surprising no one. What a wasted season, not sure why they didn't shop around for a real coach last off season. They had a talk with Mike McCarthy last year, I wonder if they will revisit him. McC isn't exactly Bill Walsh, but he has to be an upgrade.

Wild Card Weekend starts with, uh, Buffalo-Houston. The Bills look solid, I think they might actually win a playoff game.

New England will have an easy time with Tennessee, but interesting Tannehill immediately got the Titans to the playoffs. Also, 2 AFC South teams made the playoffs and one of them isn't the Colts? The AFC North and West are that bad.

Speaking of the AFC North, Pittsburgh had about as good of a season as you can expect, all things considered - Ben going down early, Antonion Brown circus. They almost made the playoffs somehow.

I don't think the Saints will have a problem with the Vikings at home. New Orleans looks like they are at the top of their game.

The Eagles are lucky to be there, but the Seahawks are a much better team.

49ers and the Packers are the top seeds. Both were pretty bad in 2018, the 49ers look like the real deal, everyone wants to see a rematch of 49ers-Saints.

The Packers have been lights out when tested, bend but don't break, even against lesser teams like Detroit yesterday. Not sure how they will stack up against either Seattle or New Orleans, even at home. Even if they don't win a playoff game, I couldn't have imagined a better first year for Matt LaFleur. It's all about when you peak, so maybe they can keep doing just enough to squeeze out a few more victories.



Stephen - 12/30/2019 at 08:17 PM

Didn’t see that the Browns had fired Kitchens - maybe another go-round w/Hue Jackson? - they could bring back Paul Brown himself, probly wouldn’t change anything

Nope, a team w/4 wins rolling up 389 yards of offense against the top rated D
Usually teams like to be peaking at end of season
Pats were awesome first 2/3rds of season - have flattened out since - yesterday was the nadir
Even if they play better vs TN, it won’t be enough to win - that’s how flat they were ystrdy

[Edited on 12/30/2019 by Stephen]


porkchopbob - 12/30/2019 at 09:40 PM

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Nope, a team w/4 wins rolling up 389 yards of offense against the top rated D
Usually teams like to be peaking at end of season
Pats were awesome first 2/3rds of season - have flattened out since - yesterday was the nadir
Even if they play better vs TN, it won’t be enough to win - that’s how flat they were ystrdy

Jeez, just can't please Pats fans. Every team lays an egg once in a while, no shame in losing to FitzMAGIC. Remember, 3 of the Pats' 4 losses were to playoff teams - Houston, Baltimore, and KC. Two of those teams are clear-cut best 2 teams in the AFC, with New England is a solid #3 with loads of playoff experience.


Lee - 12/30/2019 at 10:25 PM

You guys are all missing the major takeaway from yesterday. My Lions did their part in blowing a game at the end. What we needed was for Washington to lose so Detroit would get the second pick next year in the draft. The Skins blew it. We want Chase Young.

My Detroit pal and I were actually rooting for Detroit to lose. How pathetic is that?


Stephen - 12/31/2019 at 12:08 AM

After Pats got the late 24-20 lead after playing catch-up all day, I Wanted to believe that NOW the D will show up & stuff em for the win & bye next wknd-

but they hadn’t stopped Miami all day -
sure enough they marched down the field for the winning TD - it was the worst Pats have looked in ages, esp at home - Fitzpatrick did play great for them
Something will have to change by next wknd


Wis608 - 12/31/2019 at 12:18 AM

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Nope, a team w/4 wins rolling up 389 yards of offense against the top rated D
Usually teams like to be peaking at end of season
Pats were awesome first 2/3rds of season - have flattened out since - yesterday was the nadir
Even if they play better vs TN, it won’t be enough to win - that’s how flat they were ystrdy

Jeez, just can't please Pats fans. Every team lays an egg once in a while, no shame in losing to FitzMAGIC. Remember, 3 of the Pats' 4 losses were to playoff teams - Houston, Baltimore, and KC. Two of those teams are clear-cut best 2 teams in the AFC, with New England is a solid #3 with loads of playoff experience.


Pats fans are the worst. I hope their team takes an unholy beat down this weekend.


Stephen - 12/31/2019 at 12:55 AM

& they sure get a big laugh out of a statement like that
Pure envy/petty jealousy - nothing more - Boston sports fans hear it frequently b/c all 4 teams win -
But yes, your wish might be granted if Pats don’t shore up their game pronto


[Edited on 12/31/2019 by Stephen]


Stephen - 12/31/2019 at 01:34 PM

Just couldn’t understand Pats coming up empty in a key game in the season finale at home to a team they beat 43-0 earlier this season - fans of most teams in that position also wouldn’t be happy, IMHO

But yes, also noted the decline in level of play over last 3-4 weeks, that Pats fans are accustomed to - that Might be where their detractors feel they are haughty snobbish holier-than-thou the worst etc & so forth - who knows
Guess I was upset at the upset
Cheers, HNY to all

[Edited on 12/31/2019 by Stephen]


porkchopbob - 12/31/2019 at 03:33 PM

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My Detroit pal and I were actually rooting for Detroit to lose. How pathetic is that?

If it makes you feel any better (it probably won't), the Lions never trailed the Packers during a combined 120 minutes this season


Lee - 1/1/2020 at 11:12 AM

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My Detroit pal and I were actually rooting for Detroit to lose. How pathetic is that?

If it makes you feel any better (it probably won't), the Lions never trailed the Packers during a combined 120 minutes this season


Thanks, I needed that! Trust me it does not surprise me. I'm sure whoever we draft will be a bust.

Kind of rooting for your Packers this month. I like that fact that they are kind of underdogs.


Lee - 1/1/2020 at 12:42 PM

Regarding this week's playoff lines here are your picks to go wrong:

New England -4.5. They have to get back on track.

Minnesota +8 and New Orleans. This one kind of scares me. It's a lot of points and Saints at home and all but I will still take Minnesota.

Seattle -1 at Philly. I'll take the better QB.


porkchopbob - 1/3/2020 at 05:55 PM

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Minnesota +8 and New Orleans. This one kind of scares me. It's a lot of points and Saints at home and all but I will still take Minnesota.

The only questions is how early into the 4th quarter will Vikings fans have to watch Bridgerwater mop them up?

In the offseason, will the Vikings go after Cam Newton or Philip Rivers? I think Cam isn't washed up enough for the Vikings yet.


Lee - 1/3/2020 at 08:01 PM

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Minnesota +8 and New Orleans. This one kind of scares me. It's a lot of points and Saints at home and all but I will still take Minnesota.

The only questions is how early into the 4th quarter will Vikings fans have to watch Bridgerwater mop them up?

In the offseason, will the Vikings go after Cam Newton or Philip Rivers? I think Cam isn't washed up enough for the Vikings yet.


I assume this is definitely tongue in cheek. With all the money they devoted to Cousins (which I can't believe they did) they are on the hook for a while. You mentioned Bridgewater. Heck, I would have just stuck with him.


porkchopbob - 1/3/2020 at 08:37 PM

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The only questions is how early into the 4th quarter will Vikings fans have to watch Bridgerwater mop them up?

In the offseason, will the Vikings go after Cam Newton or Philip Rivers? I think Cam isn't washed up enough for the Vikings yet.

I assume this is definitely tongue in cheek. With all the money they devoted to Cousins (which I can't believe they did) they are on the hook for a while. You mentioned Bridgewater. Heck, I would have just stuck with him.

It's just typical Vikings' M.O., a running joke at this point - throw money at a QB, sour on them faster than you can drop a piano and chase after the next QB that everyone else knows is washed up or not worth it.

Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Brad Johnson, Jeff George, Favre, Donovan McNabb, Matt Cassell, Bridgewater, Sam Bradford, Case Keenum. Cunningham, Favre, and Keenum all took them to the NFC Championship but neither of them made it through the following season.

Just wait for the day when Stat Padford is released by the Lions and see who scoops him up

[Edited on 1/3/2020 by porkchopbob]


jszfunk - 1/3/2020 at 10:25 PM

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Minnesota +8 and New Orleans. This one kind of scares me. It's a lot of points and Saints at home and all but I will still take Minnesota.

The only questions is how early into the 4th quarter will Vikings fans have to watch Bridgerwater mop them up?

In the offseason, will the Vikings go after Cam Newton or Philip Rivers? I think Cam isn't washed up enough for the Vikings yet.


There was rumor talk here in Indy about Rivers coming to town. Like I said "rumored". I would not be opposed to it , but the Colts have to draft a qb for the future. I don't think Jacoby is it.


Stephen - 1/5/2020 at 09:21 AM

Derrick Henry ran like the wild horse of the osage himself - tremendous birthday performance
Defensively they stuffed Pats 1st & goal on the 2, then pitched a shutout 2nd half
Special team, what about that punt, took all day to roll to the one yard line & the pick six
Once again clearly outplayed, & congrats to TN
B’s are trending-similar on the sheet, stuck in the mud after a fast start, gotta turn that around now - nothing for Pats to be ashamed of, they’ve been on the other side of it too long for that


porkchopbob - 1/5/2020 at 04:09 PM

Sorry about your Pats, Stephen. I really thought Vrabel was going to outsmart himself killing all of that clock. I was expecting the Pats to drive down the field, score, and leave nothing on the clock for the Titans to counter, but the Titans held. Henry is a beast, and yeah, their D is pretty solid.

Houston surprised me, but then, I always kind of forget the Texans even exist. Bummer for Buffalo, but an exciting game.


nebish - 1/5/2020 at 04:56 PM

Good games yesterday. Comebacks, drama, questionable decisions by players and coaches. In fact after watching the games I wasn't ready to move on, I kept watching post game reliving what had just happened.

You absolutely never know what you are going to get from Houston...they are the kind of team that could beat the 72 Dolphins one week, then lose to the 0-16 Browns or Lions the next. What did I hear...Bill O'Brien has been shutout at home in the first half of 3 of his 4 playoff games. Buffalo really solid, but limited and Allen needs to mature more to be ready to lead them to a playoff win, Houston was plenty vulnerable and even seemed to play right into their hands late in the game. Buffalo sacked Watson, 6 times I think...but the one they missed on allowed Houston to win. I thought it was an awesome performance by the Houston D late, they were on the field so much in the final minutes of 4th and then OT. How abou that blindside block, took Buf out of FG range in OT. So many things to replay in your head on game changing plays.

NE's top D got pushed around like they were high schoolers on the play ground. I think Belichick made really bad decision on that punt with :23 or whatever it was left. They came for the all out punt block, which is fine, but WTF was Edelman doing? He didn't come on the block and wasn't in position to receive the punt either, which hit at the 20 and bounced and rolled down to the 1. The deck was stacked against NE at that point anyway, but if you catch the ball at the 20 and manage 7-10 yards then maybe you give Brady a shot at completing two passes and attempting a prayer FG. He was asked in the PC, but the way the guy asked it allowed Belichick to give a typical I don't want to talk about it answer.

It was a bad game for Brady...oh man the illegal downfield on that OL negated perhaps NE's biggest play of the game at a time they really needed it. How about Edelman dropping that one pass on NE's second to last possession? Tannehill completing that 3rd down pass to the kid from Harvard. Brady's last pass as a Patriot, maybe, was a pick-six.

So much to chew on from yesterday. Really enjoyed it. Hope we get more of the same today.


porkchopbob - 1/6/2020 at 01:43 PM

And that's why they play the games...Sunday didn't disappoint either. I'm glad I didn't lay any money down because I would have been 1-3.

Everyone knows the Vikings are a solid team, but the Saints looked oddly terrible yesterday, at home no less, having to catch up by 10 points in the 4th quarter just to stay even for OT. Kirk Cousins can throws a nice looking pass once in a while, but Brees looked like more of a liability. He's 41 and Bridgewater/Hill make an exciting combo.

Even the Eagles were able to make it interesting by staying in the game with their 80 year-old backup QB against an above-average Seahawks team. Oddly enough, the Eagles lost to the Seahawks by the same score during the regular season with Wentz. I wonder what they will do with Wentz, starting to think he must be Italian.

SF-MINN
I think Minnesota's magic ends in the Bay. 49ers defensive front will be too much for Cousins and Cook.

TN-BALT
The Titans are surging but it won't be enough to stop Lamar Jackson and the Ravens.

HOUS-KC
Chiefs are too good, Texans still won't get past the Divisional round.

GB-SEA
This is a tough one. Neither team is what it was a few years ago, with both going through a rebuild. Seattle doesn't have much of a running game and the Packers pass rush is pretty solid. If Wilson gets the long-ball game going and Rodgers doesn't, Packers are in trouble. I'm taking the Packers at home. We will see what LaFleur is made of.

[Edited on 1/6/2020 by porkchopbob]


porkchopbob - 1/6/2020 at 08:30 PM

McC is the new Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys. As a Packers fan with no love for the Cowboys, I'm pretty curious to see how this pans out. The recent trend is to go young - Vrabel, LaFleur, McVay - so it's interesting Jerry wants someone with more experience. It makes sense since GM Ted Thompson gathered chess pieces in GB, McCarthy was never a personnel guy, so he should stay out of Jerry's lane. However, no head coach has ever won a Super Bowl with 2 different teams (Weeb Ewbank won an NFL Championship with the Giants and a Super Bowl with NY Jets, both pre-merger; Don Shula won an NFL Championship with the Colts and a Super Bowl with the Dolphins).

McCarthy had a lot of success in Green Bay while many other franchises burned through coaching staffs. However, he was never seen as a major part of Green Bay's success - more often, his predictable play-calling holding the team back during Aaron Rodgers' tenure. That's mostly due to expectations - 4 NFC Championship appearances in 13 seasons, with 1 win (1 on a Favre pick, 1 a blow out to a much better Falcons team, and 1 a total 4th quarter meltdown). However, because McCarthy was so green when he took over in 2006, there is nothing to compare it to.

Now we will find out if it's the chicken or the egg - was McC given all the pieces and squander them or did he coach them to greatness and get blamed because coaches can't take the field?

McCarthy took the Favre-lead Packers to the NFC Championship in his 2nd season as head coach. He quickly took Aaron Rodgers-lead Packers to the Super Bowl in Rodgers' 3rd season as starting QB. Meanwhile, Favre quickly took the Vikings to the NFC Championship in his 2nd season there (both of Favre's final NFC Championship games ended in Favre-like fashion). Now LaFleur has taken Rodgers and the Packers to a #2 seed in the playoffs in his first season.

I'm actually pretty fascinated to see what McC, who is supposed to be a QB's coach, does with Preskott. The NFC East is theirs for the taking.

The timings is curious: some Eagels fans have joked that it was during their playoff game, but had the Vikings lost, would Jerry have gone after Zimmer? Was McCarthy in his back pocket?

[Edited on 1/6/2020 by porkchopbob]


Wis608 - 1/8/2020 at 08:29 AM

It was not the beating I envisioned,but thank God NE was put down. Nice to see Henrys cleat marks all over them and Vrabel out coach Belicheat.

If Brady leaves,welcome to the bottom of the AFC East Patty fans. The poor division they have been stacking wins against for many years.
It has nothing to do with being jealous/enviousness of them(I know NE fans want to believe that) It's the putrid arrogance of the M **** fanbase.


porkchopbob - 1/8/2020 at 02:32 PM

Wis608: always a ray of sunshine.


Lee - 1/8/2020 at 11:23 PM

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And that's why they play the games...Sunday didn't disappoint either. I'm glad I didn't lay any money down because I would have been 1-3.

Everyone knows the Vikings are a solid team, but the Saints looked oddly terrible yesterday, at home no less, having to catch up by 10 points in the 4th quarter just to stay even for OT. Kirk Cousins can throws a nice looking pass once in a while, but Brees looked like more of a liability. He's 41 and Bridgewater/Hill make an exciting combo.

Even the Eagles were able to make it interesting by staying in the game with their 80 year-old backup QB against an above-average Seahawks team. Oddly enough, the Eagles lost to the Seahawks by the same score during the regular season with Wentz. I wonder what they will do with Wentz, starting to think he must be Italian.

SF-MINN
I think Minnesota's magic ends in the Bay. 49ers defensive front will be too much for Cousins and Cook.

TN-BALT
The Titans are surging but it won't be enough to stop Lamar Jackson and the Ravens.

HOUS-KC
Chiefs are too good, Texans still won't get past the Divisional round.

GB-SEA
This is a tough one. Neither team is what it was a few years ago, with both going through a rebuild. Seattle doesn't have much of a running game and the Packers pass rush is pretty solid. If Wilson gets the long-ball game going and Rodgers doesn't, Packers are in trouble. I'm taking the Packers at home. We will see what LaFleur is made of.

[Edited on 1/6/2020 by porkchopbob]


Not to sound like a know it all but I don't know how you could have been 1-3 because one was a tie. Unless your line was different of course.

I thought it was a great weekend. I don't care who wins it but I must say it was entertaining. I went 2 -1 -1 and I think I was lucky there. Gotta give Minny credit for pulling that out. Tough call on that last play.

NE was the game I lost. Brady didn't play BAD but there just didn't seem to be anything there. Too bad for Wentz. Tough call on that play.

Looking forward to this weekend. Got a couple days to think about who I like.


porkchopbob - 1/8/2020 at 11:43 PM

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Not to sound like a know it all but I don't know how you could have been 1-3 because one was a tie. Unless your line was different of course.

I get what you're saying, but I'm not a gambler, the lines/over/under/points stuff is all arbitrary to me. I just like football and picking winners and losers, and there are no ties in the playoffs.


piacere - 1/9/2020 at 12:23 AM

I liked NO and KC. So much for that. If they survive, and they should, KC v Balt should be an awesome game. NFC...tough call. Can't see GB winning in SF.

I'm pullin' for Andy Reid.


Lee - 1/9/2020 at 10:33 AM

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Not to sound like a know it all but I don't know how you could have been 1-3 because one was a tie. Unless your line was different of course.

I get what you're saying, but I'm not a gambler, the lines/over/under/points stuff is all arbitrary to me. I just like football and picking winners and losers, and there are no ties in the playoffs.


Gotcha. True, a game can't end in a tie in the playoffs of course. Betting is a different animal. That's why 3 and 7 point lines are important Because a game could hang on a FG or TD. I think it is kind of fun looking at the lines. There is a website I look at and I'll have a game on TV and one of my computers up and sometimes you can actually see the line move based on a play. Could be as simple as a first down and the line can move. Crazy but that's Vegas for ya!


Lee - 1/9/2020 at 10:42 AM

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I liked NO and KC. So much for that. If they survive, and they should, KC v Balt should be an awesome game. NFC...tough call. Can't see GB winning in SF.

I'm pullin' for Andy Reid.


NO surprised me. I actually took a flier on NO to win it all. So much for that. Before the season started I did pick KC to get there. But I had them against the Rams. So much for that too!

I don't have a rooting interest but I'm with you on KC. I really like Andy Reid. I think he got screwed by Philly. What a great coach.


Brendan - 1/9/2020 at 01:57 PM

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I liked NO and KC. So much for that. If they survive, and they should, KC v Balt should be an awesome game. NFC...tough call. Can't see GB winning in SF.

I'm pullin' for Andy Reid.


NO surprised me. I actually took a flier on NO to win it all. So much for that. Before the season started I did pick KC to get there. But I had them against the Rams. So much for that too!

I don't have a rooting interest but I'm with you on KC. I really like Andy Reid. I think he got screwed by Philly. What a great coach.



I'm on the Big Red bandwagon myself. Great coach, classy guy. Hoping for SF-KC in the Supe.


porkchopbob - 1/9/2020 at 02:05 PM

Mahomes is the most exciting QB in football (sorry, Lamar, work on your no-look pass).

I'm all in for a SBI rematch KC-GB


piacere - 1/9/2020 at 03:36 PM

Hey Brendan, good to see ya.

Yeah, Reid's a stand up guy. He deserves a ring. Good games this weekend. Ya gotta love it.


piacere - 1/9/2020 at 03:40 PM

Friend of mine just said if its KC-GB, with the 100 year thing, its all rigged.




Stephen - 1/9/2020 at 03:51 PM

Isn’t this the 50th year of Baltimore’s SB victory when Colts hero Jim O’Brien kicked the winning FG
So maybe Ravens-KC, no wait....
Saw the mention before porkchopbob, yeah the Pats came up short - IMO they & Brady can return to form next season, this was their first slump in quite a spell - hope the Packers do well (gotta mention the Bucks too, wow)

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by Stephen]


porkchopbob - 1/9/2020 at 04:19 PM

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Isn’t this the 50th year of Baltimore’s SB victory when Colts hero Jim O’Brien kicked the winning FG
So maybe Ravens-KC, no wait....
Saw the mention before porkchopbob, yeah the Pats came up short - IMO they & Brady can return to form next season, this was their first slump in quite a spell - hope the Packers do well (gotta mention the Bucks too, wow)

It is! Super Bowl V was also played in Miami, where this year's Super Bowl will be played. Also, it was the first Super Bowl post-merger.

Bucks are having a crazy good season, C's are right behind them.


jszfunk - 1/9/2020 at 05:47 PM

I'm pushing for the Packers. I am a Colts fan, but when I was growing up in my formative years,late 70's, I was living in Wisconsin for a bit and they were my team. I still root for them. I like Rodgers.

I did not realize till a couple of weeks ago Clay Matthews was not with them any more. On the Rams.
What happened?


porkchopbob - 1/9/2020 at 06:01 PM

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I did not realize till a couple of weeks ago Clay Matthews was not with them any more. On the Rams.
What happened?

The Packers dumped a lot of huge veteran contracts in the past 2 seasons. Matthews spent a lot of time on the sideline the past couple seasons. Looks like he had a decent 2019 season in LA.


jszfunk - 1/9/2020 at 06:02 PM

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I did not realize till a couple of weeks ago Clay Matthews was not with them any more. On the Rams.
What happened?

The Packers dumped a lot of huge veteran contracts in the past 2 seasons. Matthews spent a lot of time on the sideline the past couple seasons. Looks like he had a decent 2019 season in LA.


Oh,ok...thanks. Yeah I thought he still looked pretty good. Oh well.


porkchopbob - 1/9/2020 at 06:13 PM

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Oh,ok...thanks. Yeah I thought he still looked pretty good. Oh well.

I think Dom Capers wasted Matthews for a few years putting him at Inside LB, rather than an edge rusher. But I also think teams that wait too long to move on to new talent watch a lot of football from home in January. Za'darious Smith has been a huge upgrade this season, and Clay got to play pro ball in his old college stadium, so it kind of all worked out.


Lee - 1/9/2020 at 08:07 PM

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Friend of mine just said if its KC-GB, with the 100 year thing, its all rigged.






What is the significance of KC for the 100 year thing? Weren't they founded in the old AFL by Lamarr Hunt in the early 60s?


porkchopbob - 1/9/2020 at 08:15 PM

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Friend of mine just said if its KC-GB, with the 100 year thing, its all rigged.


What is the significance of KC for the 100 year thing? Weren't they founded in the old AFL by Lamarr Hunt in the early 60s?

Because it would be a rematch of Super Bowl I - can you imagine the nostalgia?


Lee - 1/9/2020 at 08:33 PM

Oh yeah, makes sense. I love the story about how the idea came about. Something about a little girl and a toy, a super BALL? Maybe Hunt's kid?


piacere - 1/10/2020 at 10:41 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Friend of mine just said if its KC-GB, with the 100 year thing, its all rigged.


What is the significance of KC for the 100 year thing? Weren't they founded in the old AFL by Lamarr Hunt in the early 60s?

Because it would be a rematch of Super Bowl I - can you imagine the nostalgia?


Hell yeah. The NFL would be all over that.


nebish - 1/11/2020 at 01:37 AM

Regarding last weeks lines, no games pushed on our numbers. Pretty common for different outlets to have lines off a half here or there or with different juice.


piacere - 1/11/2020 at 09:47 AM

Speaking of lines...three road dogs getting some hefty points for divisional games. Seattle getting four, I'll take GB.

Wings, homemade pizza later.

Enjoy the games, amigos!


Lee - 1/11/2020 at 12:57 PM

Yeah, you guys are right about the lines. I tied that Bills game last week. Could have bought a half point and would have won. Didn't expect to win the Minnesota game but did.

The Packer game line is interesting. Two days ago it was 5. Yesterday was 4.5. This morning I see 4. I like Seattle. Guess I should have taken them earlier. Oh well, I still like them.


piacere - 1/12/2020 at 03:18 PM

Derrick Henry is a LOAD. And fast. Damn.


Lee - 1/12/2020 at 03:25 PM

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Derrick Henry is a LOAD. And fast. Damn.



On one of the ESPN shows this morning they had the list of all-time running backs who have rushed for over 180 yards in three straight games. Here is the list:

1. Derrick Henry





That's it! Only guy to have ever done it. Wow.


piacere - 1/12/2020 at 03:54 PM

Against Hou, NE and Balt., if I'm remembering right. Not bad. Also he ran for 200 or so against KC some time back.

That young man is a problem.


Stephen - 1/12/2020 at 04:17 PM

One of the best to come into the league in a long time alright - somewhat reminiscent of former KC great Christian Okoye in his 1st few years - big, fast, shifty
Can’t help but recall impossible-to-tackle former Colts TE John Mackey in Henry too

[Edited on 1/12/2020 by Stephen]


jszfunk - 1/12/2020 at 08:41 PM

It's still early ,but KC is digging a hole....21-0

......Chiefs right back in it!

Fun game!

[Edited on 1/12/2020 by jszfunk]

[Edited on 1/12/2020 by jszfunk]


porkchopbob - 1/13/2020 at 02:31 PM

WOW. Ravens huh? Dolphins have to be feeling pretty bummed with Tannehil and the Titans knocking Baltimore in the teeth on their way to the AFC Championship. I didn't think they could stop the Ravens, and I don't think they can't beat the Chiefs, so who knows. But really, the Chiefs look really good. With Mahomes missing a few games this season, they practically flew under the radar. And the Texans gave them a pretty big gut check. If you were just checking the score, you had to be wondering if you were reading it right.

Packers eeked one out after the Seahawks woke up and Wilson decided to take over. They got rocked by SF earlier in the season, maybe they've learned a thing or two. They will have to keep it close if they want to win.


oldcoot - 1/13/2020 at 03:57 PM

Can't think of another game where it's the second quarter and I've been 33 1/2 points behind on the spread and not only end up covering but covering by 10 1/2.


nebish - 1/16/2020 at 03:19 AM


Pro Football Hall of Fame Centennial Class revealed

By Grant Gordon NFL.com
Published: Jan. 15, 2020 at 08:16 a.m.
Updated: Jan. 15, 2020 at 11:50 a.m.

The Pro Football Hall of Fame Centennial Class of 2020's remaining 13 inductees -- 10 seniors and three contributors -- were revealed Wednesday on Good Morning Football. They followed the previous announcements over the weekend of Bill Cowher and Jimmy Johnson. The 15 inductees will be joined by five modern-day selections announced the day before the Super Bowl during NFL Honors on Feb. 1.

Here are the members of the Pro Football Centennial Class of 2020:

Jim Covert, OT, 1983-1990 Chicago Bears

They called him "Jimbo," and in the shadow of one of the most famed defensive teams of all-time, Jim Covert was an offensive standout who paved the way for all-time great Walter Payton when the Bears won Super Bowl XX. A two-time All-Pro selection, Covert was the sixth overall pick in the 1983 NFL Draft, the No. 13 Bear of all-time in the franchise's top 100 list and a member of the NFL's 1980s All-Decade Team.

Winston Hill, OT, 1963-1976 New York Jets/1977 Los Angeles Rams

Protecting Joe Namath's backside autumn after autumn, Winston Hill was a four-time AFL All-Star and four-time Pro Bowl pick. The left tackle also earned three All-Pro nods during a decorated 15-season career that at one point boasted a string of 174 starts. The Texas native was a crucial cog in the Jets winning Super Bowl III.

Harold Carmichael, WR, 1971-1983 Philadelphia Eagles/1984 Dallas Cowboys

There are prototypical wide receivers and there is Harold Carmichael, a Philly favorite who boasted a 6-foot-8, 225-pound frame. A four-time Pro Bowler, three-time All-Pro and NFL 1970s All-Decade Team honoree, the big-bodied Eagle produced three 1,000-yard seasons and proved pivotal in Philadelphia advancing to its first Super Bowl in 1980. He ended his days with the Eagles as the career leader in every major receiving statistic and for his career had 590 catches for 8,985 yards and 79 touchdowns.

Duke Slater, OT, 1922 Milwaukee Badgers/1922-25 Rock Island Independents/1926-1931 Chicago Cardinals

A transformative and hugely important figure in the history of football, Duke Slater was the first African-American lineman in league chronicle. A standout on both sides of the ball, Slater was a multiple-time All-Pro.

Ed Sprinkle, DE/LB, 1944-1955 Chicago Bears

A two-way player at the onset of his NFL career, Ed Sprinkle's reputation truly grew and remained due to his defensive prowess. Known for his hard-charging ways and aggressive play, Sprinkle helped the Bears to a 1946 NFL Championship, was a four-time Pro Bowl pick and was a member of the 1940s All-Decade Team.

Steve Sabol, Administrator/President, 1964-2012 NFL Films

A memorable voice who told the tale of autumns past to NFL fans, Steve Sabol took over as the president of NFL Films in 1985 from his father Ed, who created the company. During his time with NFL Films, Steve Sabol won more than 40 Emmy Awards and oversaw 107 Emmy wins for NFL Films.

Alex Karras, DT, 1958-1962, 1964-1970 Detroit Lions

One of the NFL alumni's most famous faces on the big and small screen, Alex Karras was as destructive on the NFL field as he was noticeable in projects such as "Blazing Saddles" and the TV show "Webster." Through his career with the Lions, the 1958 first-round pick was a four-time Pro Bowl pick, a three-time All-Pro and an NFL 1960s All-Decade Team selection.

Bobby Dillon, S, 1952-1959 Green Bay Packers

A ball hawk in the Packers' defensive backfield for eight seasons, Bobby Dillon tallied 52 career interceptions during his days in Green Bay. He had an eye-popping nine picks in three individual seasons. For five straight years, Dillon was a Pro Bowler with three of those seasons accompanied by All-Pro accolades.

Donnie Shell, S, 1974-1987 Pittsburgh Steelers

The Steel Curtain defense was loaded with talented standouts and Donnie Shell was one of them. For 14 seasons, Shell patrolled the defensive backfield, winning four Super Bowls, nabbing five Pro Bowl selections and garnering 51 interceptions. Shell's interception total was the most all-time for a strong safety upon his retirement and is currently tied for 32nd.

George Young, Contributor/General Manager, 1968-1974 Baltimore Colts, 1975-78 Miami Dolphins, 1979-1997 New York Giants, 1998-2001 National Football League

One of the most respective NFL executives of his day, George Young aided mightily in the Giants winning two Super Bowls during his time as general manager from 1979-1997. Thereafter, he was the NFL's senior vice president of football operations from 1998-2001.

Cliff Harris, S, 1970-1979 Dallas Cowboys

Throughout the 1970s, Cliff Harris was a phenomenal constant in the defensive backfield for America's Team. Amazingly, Dallas made it to the postseason in nine of Harris' 10 seasons, including five Super Bowl appearances with two victories. A Pro Bowler in six straight seasons starting in 1974 and going through the final campaign of his career, Harris was a three-time All-Pro who tallied 29 interceptions and 18 fumble recoveries.

Mac Speedie, End, 1946-1952 Cleveland Browns

Bestowed with a fitting name for his future NFL prowess, Mac Speedie was a receiver before his time. Named to the NFL's 1940s All-Decade Team, the six-time All-Pro led the league in receptions on four occasions and twice was led in receiving yards. In 1947 and 1949, he surpassed the 1,000-yard receiving barrier.

Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner, 1989-2006 NFL

The NFL's leading man for parts of three decades, Paul Tagliabue led the league into the 21st century and oversaw its expansion from 28 to 32 teams. During his time, the Jacksonville Jaguars, Carolina Panthers, Houston Texans and reborn Cleveland Browns all came to be. He also navigated the NFL's expansion into Europe and helmed the league through the most arduous times such as the tragedies of 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina.


Lee - 1/16/2020 at 01:11 PM

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Can't think of another game where it's the second quarter and I've been 33 1/2 points behind on the spread and not only end up covering but covering by 10 1/2.


That was me. The other way. I was already counting my money. The line kept moving and I kept putting more and more on it. Then it kept dropping. And dropping and well, you know the rest.

One of the strangest games I've ever watched. Kind of funny.


nebish - 1/16/2020 at 03:20 PM

Yeah, I had Houston.

You just knew though, Houston was going to blow it at some point...because, well that is their nature, that team. I so badly wanted to take KC in the 2nd H if they had been down at HT, but that went out the window when the Chiefs actually took the lead before HT and then the 2nd H line was actually higher than the net game line was. So I was stuck and just hoped for a back door or something.

Bill O'Brien isn't the right coach to get that team anywhere.


Bhawk - 1/19/2020 at 05:39 PM

Mahomes.


piacere - 1/20/2020 at 12:44 PM

Should be one heck of a SB. Both offenses can light it up, and quickly at that, but SF D looks a little better than KC's. Still, Mahomes is the best player on the field no matter what. Going to be a good game to watch.

KC in a high scoring close one.


porkchopbob - 1/20/2020 at 01:22 PM

A wonderful Packers season comes to an end. Bummer the way it ended, but unsurprising to most Packers fans. Some how they were only down 2 scores with 8 minutes to go, but their D just couldn't stop SF's running game.

On paper, it's a season to appreciate - especially after missing the playoffs for 2 consecutive seasons. Swept the division, beat old foes like the Cowboys, Giants, Broncos, and Seahawks, and made it to the NFC Championship. It was never really a season to get too excited about, there was never a defining victory - wins often came ugly. But they were wins. All in all, you couldn't ask for a better rebuild season for a first-year Head Coach. Rodgers needs some more receivers and the defense needs some more play makers.

I'm actually excited for the SB, Mahomes is the most exciting player in the league and SF's D is one of the best. SF's offense is old school run it down your throat, pass if we have to. Should be a great game. I'm rooting for KC.

[Edited on 1/20/2020 by porkchopbob]


jszfunk - 1/21/2020 at 03:45 PM

quote:
A wonderful Packers season comes to an end. Bummer the way it ended, but unsurprising to most Packers fans. Some how they were only down 2 scores with 8 minutes to go, but their D just couldn't stop SF's running game.

On paper, it's a season to appreciate - especially after missing the playoffs for 2 consecutive seasons. Swept the division, beat old foes like the Cowboys, Giants, Broncos, and Seahawks, and made it to the NFC Championship. It was never really a season to get too excited about, there was never a defining victory - wins often came ugly. But they were wins. All in all, you couldn't ask for a better rebuild season for a first-year Head Coach. Rodgers needs some more receivers and the defense needs some more play makers.

I'm actually excited for the SB, Mahomes is the most exciting player in the league and SF's D is one of the best. SF's offense is old school run it down your throat, pass if we have to. Should be a great game. I'm rooting for KC.

[Edited on 1/20/2020 by porkchopbob]


Yeah I was getting pretty bummed....the Packers were getting run over in the first half. I am suprsied it went that way. One team came to play.


porkchopbob - 1/23/2020 at 03:34 PM

It's official. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Las Vegas Raiders.

https://www.raiders.com/news/las-vegas-raiders-silver-and-black-officially- welcomed-to-the-silver-state


oldcoot - 1/24/2020 at 04:00 PM

Looking forward to the Super Bowl, two teams that I wouldn't mind from a general fanbase viewpoint, see come out victorious.

Saw the line bump to KC -2 1/2 yesterday, so I bought half a point to get SF +3. My biggest mistake wasn't jumping on the over when it first came out at 51, up to 55 now, I real decent in between chance now gone.

Among those that will have $$$ on the game, who do you like?

I hope it's a really entertaining matchup, unlike so many previous SBs.


Lee - 1/24/2020 at 08:27 PM

coot, the line is now down to one. At least what I saw. It is good that you are getting a field goal. I don't think the line is going to matter.

No idea what to do on the over/under.

I took the Chiefs straight up with a buddy of mine. Hey, it was his call on that.

And I certainly agree that I hope the game is fun. A blowout at halftime will have people turning the channel!


BIGV - 1/25/2020 at 02:25 AM

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Among those that will have $$$ on the game, who do you like?


S.F. 21 - K.C. 16


porkchopbob - 1/25/2020 at 01:47 PM

I think if Mahomes can drive on SF's defense, they will win. 49ers won't be able to run like they did against the Packers and will force Garrapolo to actually play QB.

Eli Manning quietly retired this week. 2 epic underdog Super Bowls and not much else in a 16 year career. The Giants were actually one of the worst teams of the past decade, so it's not all on him, but he threw a lot of INTs. I don't think he should be in the HOF, but those 2 Super Bowls (and being a Manning) might get him in.


Lee - 1/25/2020 at 10:54 PM

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I think if Mahomes can drive on SF's defense, they will win. 49ers won't be able to run like they did against the Packers and will force Garrapolo to actually play QB.

Eli Manning quietly retired this week. 2 epic underdog Super Bowls and not much else in a 16 year career. The Giants were actually one of the worst teams of the past decade, so it's not all on him, but he threw a lot of INTs. I don't think he should be in the HOF, but those 2 Super Bowls (and being a Manning) might get him in.


Hey if SF can win with the QB only throwing eight times, that's quite impressive. I just hope it's an entertaining game as I mentioned.

Regarding Eli, that is interesting. As the old thought goes, QBs get too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses. Is he a HOFer? I don't know. If I had a vote, I would say no but I don't really have a problem if he gets in, which I think he will.




porkchopbob - 1/26/2020 at 01:49 AM

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I think if Mahomes can drive on SF's defense, they will win. 49ers won't be able to run like they did against the Packers and will force Garrapolo to actually play QB..


Hey if SF can win with the QB only throwing eight times, that's quite impressive. I just hope it's an entertaining game as I mentioned.


Never said they’d win easy, just that it might be the key battle between two great teams. Garrapolo played well in back-to-back games against the Saints and Ravens, and he threw a lot more than he had to against the Packers.


piacere - 1/31/2020 at 11:56 AM

My gf really enjoyed the pick 'ems this season. Didn't quite get to .500 but still had fun and she learned some things about football and that's cool.

She likes Jimmy G and SF.

Take KC.


Lee - 2/2/2020 at 12:23 PM

Well since your GF likes San Fran I guess I will go with the offense and take KC. For those with $$$ on it, I don't think the line has moved all week. I figured it would move up with folks betting KC but I guess not. Take the BBQ and the Chefs!


porkchopbob - 2/3/2020 at 04:17 PM

Well, the better QB won. Mahomes shook off 2 INTs and almost lost a fumble to seal the comeback. Shanahan giving KC plenty of time to do it didn't hurt - why not ride Mostert down the stretch? Give some credit to KC's defense, they put the ball back in Mahomes hands. That throw on 3rd was super clutch. Solid game, fun season.


Sang - 2/3/2020 at 07:18 PM

Fun game for once ... I told my wife the momentum was turning in the 4th quarter - watch out for KC.....


Sang - 2/3/2020 at 07:29 PM

Well, I guess I have to come here and bow to nebish, since he won both of the NFL pools. I was 2nd in both. I had him in the straight up pool until the last few weeks....

Luckily, I can once again gloat about beating DanB - you would think that if you were going to use the name kicksangsass, you wouldn't end up in last place in both pools.....

Or maybe you would at least take the time to fill out a bracket each week......

ABBSpread:

neb 139-107
Sang 123-124
BigVee 121-124
Piacere 117-127
SteelCurtain 75-170
Kicksangsass 75-170

ABBWP:

neb 169-83
Sang 162-91
Kicksangsass 93-157


Thanks to all who played!


Bhawk - 2/3/2020 at 10:06 PM

Mahomes.


nebish - 2/4/2020 at 12:11 AM

Yeah, what's up DanB. Hope you are doing well, but you be slackin'


Sang - 2/4/2020 at 04:54 AM

I think his wife took away his computer......


nebish - 2/4/2020 at 02:24 PM

Clemson lost, DanB not good at NASCAR fantasy anymore...quits NFL pick'ems...man he needs to get himself together.


gotdrumz - 2/8/2020 at 02:55 PM

NFL...My favorite scripted/rigged sport

The QB's of today are pampered and records will mean nothing anymore.It is funny watching defenders chase the guy with the ball. Seems more effort is placed on swatting at the ball than trying to tackle anyone. I appreciate the athleticism, but it almost like watching men compete against women in boxing or track n field. The uniform looks right, but something is wrong.

The NFL has admitted to such, so no need to get any panties ruffled over anything


porkchopbob - 3/17/2020 at 03:08 PM

Brady leaves the Patriots. Will they find a Steve Young/Aaron Rodgers to take up a legend's mantle or is this the end? Will the Bears tell Trubisky to work from home?

[Edited on 3/17/2020 by porkchopbob]


BIGV - 3/17/2020 at 04:39 PM

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Brady leaves the Patriots. Will they find a Steve Young/Aaron Rodgers to take up a legend's mantle or is this the end? Will the Bears tell Trubisky to work from home?


Watch the Pats trade up to get this kid Herbert from Oregon


piacere - 3/17/2020 at 06:07 PM

Yeah, Justin Herbert. The kid can play.


Stephen - 3/17/2020 at 08:04 PM

Good luck TB12, the greatest of all time - his records wont be broken in this century much less the coming decades


porkchopbob - 3/17/2020 at 08:45 PM

Rivers signs with the Colts. Doesn't really move the needle for either, just a stop gap. Indy gets a veteran QB while they pick up the pieces and Rivers gets one last pay day.


BIGV - 3/17/2020 at 09:27 PM

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Rivers signs with the Colts. Doesn't really move the needle for either, just a stop gap. Indy gets a veteran QB while they pick up the pieces and Rivers gets one last pay day.


Rivers leaving fits the rumors that were floating around a few weeks ago; Brady has a home in L.A.


Stephen - 3/17/2020 at 09:45 PM

That’s what I’m thinking too, he’ll be in LA/calif - or maybe Lions, he was a hero at UMich too, but why would he subject himself to that
Why the eff would he want to relocate in the 1st place is what many people are asking - but they all do

It’ll be as odd seeing those guys in other uniforms next season (if there is one) as it was seeing Johnny U a Chargah, & Broadway Joe an LA Ram at the end of Their careers, also Montana a KC Chief

Unlike Raymond Bourque before him, however, I don’t think TB will win another SB - still has the game yes, but not the surrounding players

[Edited on 3/17/2020 by Stephen]


jszfunk - 3/17/2020 at 10:45 PM

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Rivers signs with the Colts. Doesn't really move the needle for either, just a stop gap. Indy gets a veteran QB while they pick up the pieces and Rivers gets one last pay day.


Yeah...I'm here in Indy and from what I can tell so far from public consensus is about split down the middle.

I am ..meh. I don't think it makes them more of a contender. I think outside of Bouroughs the QB draft is not that strong. Tua's hip could be worrisome. They did sign DeForest Buckner DT from the 49ers for there 13th first round pick.

I guess we will see what Bill Belichick will do and prove his greatness. The AFC east might finally be more of a race. NE beat up on that weak division for years.

Not sure what The Texans were thinking about getting rid of Hopkins.



[Edited on 3/17/2020 by jszfunk]


gina - 3/18/2020 at 12:25 AM

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Good luck TB12, the greatest of all time - his records wont be broken in this century much less the coming decades


Brady signs the contract tomorrow with Tampa Bay.

Drew Brees with a 2 yr. 50 million dollar contract. How sweet it is.


Stephen - 3/18/2020 at 12:40 AM

Three of the GOAT - 2 left, 1 stayed, all at the same time


Stephen - 3/18/2020 at 12:07 PM

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Unlike Raymond Bourque before him, however, I don’t think TB will win another SB - still has the game yes, but not the surrounding players




Nor the caliber of coaching, plus the indifferent fan support down there.......doesn’t make sense -

he’ll finish his career as Paul Pierce did, w/more than 1 team & doing well -

Paul was on bench & not playing at the very end in LA
Envision Tom ending his career as Ty Cobb did w/Phila A’s after 22 years in Detroit - two final solid years, riding the pine at the very end


jszfunk - 3/18/2020 at 03:55 PM

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quote:


Unlike Raymond Bourque before him, however, I don’t think TB will win another SB - still has the game yes, but not the surrounding players




Nor the caliber of coaching, plus the indifferent fan support down there.......doesn’t make sense -

he’ll finish his career as Paul Pierce did, w/more than 1 team & doing well -

Paul was on bench & not playing at the very end in LA
Envision Tom ending his career as Ty Cobb did w/Phila A’s after 22 years in Detroit - two final solid years, riding the pine at the very end


I don't think BA is no slouch either.
He likes to get the ball down field and have his QB's sit back and launch bombs. I am not sure TB has the arm to do that anymore over 16 plus games.
Better have an O line in place to protect him ,cause he does not like getting his pants dirty.
So Bruce might have to rethink his game plan.


Stephen - 3/18/2020 at 05:12 PM

No QB likes to get his pants dirty, it means the O line isn’t doing the job - it could all be moot anyway if they call off the season - they might be able to start training camps in Sept or so w/the idea of an 8 game season - baseball looks like a no go for 2020 - but yes, BA is a good coach too - not in Belichick’s league but who is


BIGV - 3/18/2020 at 05:18 PM

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Three of the GOAT - 2 left, 1 stayed, all at the same time


Stephen, just curious, are you calling Rivers one the "Greatest of all time"?


Stephen - 3/18/2020 at 05:29 PM

For longevity & career #s, yes - he’s probly not on a par with the other 3 but I put Rivers above people like Warren Moon, Vinny Testaverde, Steve DeBerg & other longtimers - would rate Marino, PManning above Rivers


BIGV - 3/18/2020 at 05:35 PM

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For longevity & career #s, yes - he’s probly not on a par with the other 3 but I put Rivers above people like Warren Moon, Vinny Testaverde, Steve DeBerg & other longtimers - would rate Marino, PManning above Rivers


Imho, the list of "GOAT" QB's is very short and Phillip Rivers is not even close.


porkchopbob - 3/18/2020 at 05:50 PM

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For longevity & career #s, yes - he’s probly not on a par with the other 3 but I put Rivers above people like Warren Moon, Vinny Testaverde, Steve DeBerg & other longtimers - would rate Marino, PManning above Rivers

Imho, the list of "GOAT" QB's is very short and Phillip Rivers is not even close.

Rivers is probably one of the greatest QBs to never make it to a Super Bowl (well, so far I guess). He lead the Chargers to some great seasons, but the team always choked it away in the playoffs. Rivers has put up some big numbers - hasn't missed a start since he took over for Brees which is impressive for a QB who gets as knocked around has he has. I wouldn't put him with the top of the elite next to Montana or Brady either, but he's in that next tier.


porkchopbob - 3/18/2020 at 06:00 PM

Chicago Bears are trading for Nick Foles and signing Jimmy Graham. Their GM must be a Packers fan.


jszfunk - 3/18/2020 at 07:40 PM

Sounds like Teddy Bridgewater to the Panthers. QB's are moving around it looks like!!


BIGV - 3/18/2020 at 08:01 PM

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For longevity & career #s, yes - he’s probly not on a par with the other 3 but I put Rivers above people like Warren Moon, Vinny Testaverde, Steve DeBerg & other longtimers - would rate Marino, PManning above Rivers

Imho, the list of "GOAT" QB's is very short and Phillip Rivers is not even close.


Rivers is probably one of the greatest QBs to never make it to a Super Bowl (well, so far I guess). He lead the Chargers to some great seasons, but the team always choked it away in the playoffs. Rivers has put up some big numbers - hasn't missed a start since he took over for Brees which is impressive for a QB who gets as knocked around has he has. I wouldn't put him with the top of the elite next to Montana or Brady either, but he's in that next tier.


I would agree with that. "Unfortunately" for Rivers, that is an extremely big tier that includes everyone from Roethlisberger to Moon and Hadl to McNabb...


Stephen - 3/23/2020 at 12:49 PM

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it could all be moot anyway if they call off the season - they might be able to start training camps in Sept or so w/the idea of an 8 game season - baseball looks like a no go for 2020


It would be a real shame if coronavirus ended the careers of players like Brady, Brees, Rivers, Zdeno Chara, Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau - and other older athletes like LeBron - these are special career-records players who probly dislike this invisible scourge more than anyone

The Summer Olympic Games in Tokyo are likely to be cancelled, radio just said

A great American tradition has succumbed to CV - the annual Scripps National Spelling Bee, cancelled
You know they won’t have the famous Nathan’s Coney Island hot dog eating contest this year - can hardly wolf down those dogs thru a face mask

The economic toll caused by the lockdown, is certainly as bad as the medical toll caused by the virus - the economic toll, like the virus, could prove fatal to some

[Edited on 3/23/2020 by Stephen]


Stephen - 3/24/2020 at 05:01 PM

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quote:
it could all be moot anyway if they call off the season - they might be able to start training camps in Sept or so w/the idea of an 8 game season - baseball looks like a no go for 2020


The Summer Olympic Games in Tokyo are likely to be cancelled, radio just said

[Edited on 3/23/2020 by Stephen]


PPD, to 2021
Hockey, MLB, hoops - March Madness, Kentucky Derby, perhaps The US Open
All a no go

The NFL imo will be the litmus test
enough cancellations have been made - there should still be enough time to plan now to open training camps in Sept as usual - a semblance of normalcy would be a welcome relief & its own medicine-
unless, of course, people are dying at an alarming rate from it, God Forbid, over the summer


porkchopbob - 3/24/2020 at 09:22 PM

Carolina releases Cam Newton rather unceremoniously for a guy who holds so many of Carolina's passing records (not that it can be hard to top Jake Delhomme and Kerry Collins as long you stick around for a few seasons).

LA teams both unveiled new logos. New uniforms to come. Chargers logo looks fine, but the Rams "LA" is a bit of a mess. Hopefully they stay close to the classic LA Rams look and don't mess with the horn.






Other than a few teams that have done some minimal clean up to their jerseys and logos (Miami, Detroit, Minnesota, Jax, Buffalo) Nike has not done well with major NFL uniform redesigns. The Bucs, Browns, Titans, Seahawks, Jets, all got uglier under the swoosh's watch. The Browns and Bucs were so bad, they're both getting fresh uniforms this year after sporting their last redesigns for the minimum 5 seasons. Word is the Falcons are also getting new uniforms.


nebish - 3/31/2020 at 09:14 PM

Philip Rivers = not a Hall of Famer. Stats are skewed in today's game, stats don't make a great QB. Can think of a lot of better QBs who have been forgotten through the years, like Ken Anderson to name just one.


nebish - 3/31/2020 at 09:21 PM

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The NFL's anticipated playoff expansion officially passed.

League owners voted to approve expanding the postseason to 14 teams beginning in the 2020 season, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported, per a source.

The decision came during a conference call Tuesday, which took place in lieu of the NFL's Annual League Meeting, which was canceled earlier this month as part of the league's response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Changing the playoff format required approval from three-quarters of the 32 NFL owners.

In the new format, AFC and NFC Wild Card games will feature the 2 seed hosting the 7 seed, the 3 seed hosting the 6 seed and the 4 seed hosting the 5 seed.

The league announced NBC and CBS would broadcast the additional wild card games. NFL Wild Card Weekend will include three games Saturday, Jan. 9 and another three games Sunday, Jan. 10. In addition to CBS' extra broadcast on Jan. 9 -- which also will be carried via a livestream on CBS All Access -- the NFL noted a separately produced telecast of the game will air on Nickelodeon, tailored for a younger audience.

The NBC game on Jan. 10 also will be aired on the network's new streaming service, Peacock, as well as Telemundo.

The expanded format, which was agreed to in the new CBA, added one team per conference, creating six total wild card slots. Per league data, since 1990, when the playoffs expanded from 10 to 12 teams, 44 of the 60 teams that would have claimed the seventh seeds had winning records, including 10 different 10-win teams. Only the 1990 Dallas Cowboys would have made the playoffs with a losing record over that span in a 14-team format.

Adding an additional playoff team in each conference means only the No.1 seeds in the AFC and NFC will earn a postseason bye, a massive advantage to the top club each year. While it's been suggested that adding playoff teams could dilute the regular season, with the No. 1 spot earning an even bigger advantage than previous seasons, it could make the final weeks for vital for clubs battling for postseason position.

The move to 14 playoff teams means 43.7 percent of all NFL teams would qualify for the postseason, compared to 33.3 percent in MLB (33.3), 51.6 in NHL and 53.3 in NBA.

Voting on other potential 2020 changes, including proposed rule adjustments, is currently expected to take place at the league meeting presently scheduled for mid-May, NFL Network's Judy Battista previously reported.


porkchopbob - 3/31/2020 at 09:41 PM

I thought I would hate the new playoff format, since I think the current one works pretty well, but I don't completely. It solves the problem of those 10-6 teams that missed the postseason while 8-8 division winners sneaked in. Sucks the #2 seed no longer gets a bye, but maybe there will be fewer teams resting players in week 17. Speaking of, hopefully this means they will abandon talk of a 17th game. But I doubt that.


Lee - 3/31/2020 at 09:47 PM

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Carolina releases Cam Newton rather unceremoniously for a guy who holds so many of Carolina's passing records (not that it can be hard to top Jake Delhomme and Kerry Collins as long you stick around for a few seasons).




Personally I can't really stand the guy. Him walking out of a press conference because they lost a big game just made me think he is a baby. Very talented but a prima donna. His history speaks for itself. If someone like Urban Meyer kicks you off a team, that says something.

Having said that, I agree with you. If Carolina knew they didn't want them they should have let him go a long time ago before all these QB positions got filled. I have no idea but I wonder if one the the higher ups in the organization did it on purpose.


Lee - 3/31/2020 at 09:53 PM

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Philip Rivers = not a Hall of Famer. Stats are skewed in today's game, stats don't make a great QB. Can think of a lot of better QBs who have been forgotten through the years, like Ken Anderson to name just one.


Philip Rivers = Hall of Famer in my book. Probably borderline but I would put him in. And yes, stats are different now than they were 20,30,40 years ago because teams ran the ball more. If you look at Terry Bradshaw's numbers, you could probably make a case for a more recent guy over him.

Ken Anderson? Decent QB but no way would I put him in The Hall. Bengals got to a Super Bowl so I think that is why some might want to put him in. He did have some decent years in the early 80s but I don't think that equates to a HOFer.

Just my opinions.


Lee - 3/31/2020 at 10:00 PM

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I thought I would hate the new playoff format, since I think the current one works pretty well, but I don't completely. It solves the problem of those 10-6 teams that missed the postseason while 8-8 division winners sneaked in. Sucks the #2 seed no longer gets a bye, but maybe there will be fewer teams resting players in week 17. Speaking of, hopefully this means they will abandon talk of a 17th game. But I doubt that.


I think it is fine as is. Going to a 17th game is going to create a bigger problem as teams are going to get in the playoffs because they played one more home game. Unless every team plays a game on a neutral field (which I have seen suggested) things really aren't going to be fair from that standpoint.

Nothing is going to please everyone. Should a team that wins its division with a 9-7 or 8-8 record get a home game over a team that wins 10 or 11 games? It just happened. They could just seed everyone in each of the two leagues I suppose though I doubt that will happen.


jszfunk - 3/31/2020 at 10:11 PM

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. Speaking of, hopefully this means they will abandon talk of a 17th game. But I doubt that.


I am kinda ,meh, on the new playoffs...whatever. But that is the first thing I thought pcb, I hope it squashes the 17th game. Not needed.

As far as the Rivers talk...well I live here in the Indy area. Just waiting to see what will happen. I don't think the Colts are that close to really doing something by adding Rivers. He might make a difference for sure, but as far as a post season deep run,dunno. I would hope so. I like Rivers, I think he is a good QB, but not sure how much he has left in the tank and his arm. Maybe 5 yrs younger I would be all in.
Darn you Andrew Luck!!! Just kidding ,I don't hold it against him. He made the best decision for him , his body and his family. I don't blame him.

It will interesting to see how TB does with the Bucs and how the greatest coach of all time in NE can perform more magic.

[Edited on 3/31/2020 by jszfunk]


nebish - 3/31/2020 at 11:16 PM

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I thought I would hate the new playoff format, since I think the current one works pretty well, but I don't completely. It solves the problem of those 10-6 teams that missed the postseason while 8-8 division winners sneaked in. Sucks the #2 seed no longer gets a bye, but maybe there will be fewer teams resting players in week 17. Speaking of, hopefully this means they will abandon talk of a 17th game. But I doubt that.


I didn't want the playoffs expanded too. But I actually like now that only the #1 seed gets a bye. 12 of 14 teams will have to win 3 playoff games to make the Superbowl. I'm not a huge fan of teams have to just win 2 games and they're in the Superbowl, where it was 4 out of 12 before. So I like that the number of teams getting an easier path to the SB has gone down. And good point about fewer teams resting players. Now imagine that the #2 seed in the last week can get the #1 seed, it's a big deal. Just like it was #3 seed trying to get the #2 seed, that desire will still be there on down the line as teams fight for home games and all. More competition is good, not more byes and wasted regular season games IMO.


nebish - 3/31/2020 at 11:24 PM

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Philip Rivers = not a Hall of Famer. Stats are skewed in today's game, stats don't make a great QB. Can think of a lot of better QBs who have been forgotten through the years, like Ken Anderson to name just one.


Philip Rivers = Hall of Famer in my book. Probably borderline but I would put him in. And yes, stats are different now than they were 20,30,40 years ago because teams ran the ball more. If you look at Terry Bradshaw's numbers, you could probably make a case for a more recent guy over him.

Ken Anderson? Decent QB but no way would I put him in The Hall. Bengals got to a Super Bowl so I think that is why some might want to put him in. He did have some decent years in the early 80s but I don't think that equates to a HOFer.

Just my opinions.


For me, it's nice to talk about football in a time of year I don't even think about football. A nice little escape!

I put Philip Rivers in the Matt Stafford category, or something like Dave Krieg maybe.

HOF QBs, I think you look at the cumulative career. Consecutive starts is a big thing. And the career numbers are what they are, they require some perspective on how the game has evolved. But then you look, what about MVP(s). Did the QB ever lead the league in passing yards or passing ratings (comparing him to his peers of the era). And did said QB lead his time to post season success?

To me, Rivers is just a very good NFL QB. He is not a great QB by most measures (in my head). Maybe Philip Rivers is a better Bert Jones? Or maybe he's like a lesser version of Roman Gabriel?


nebish - 3/31/2020 at 11:36 PM

I didn't necessarily say I would put Ken Anderson in the HOF, although I might not argue against it either, maybe I would just be indifferent. He was certainly one of the better QBs of his era. My point is that I would put him as a better QB than Rivers on the resume ranking. Upon closer look, Anderson and Rivers might be pretty comparable, I give the nod to Anderson.


nebish - 3/31/2020 at 11:39 PM

Wow here's a little nugget I found while looking at some accomplishments/stats:

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According to a study conducted at Pro Football Reference, the six greatest seasons of Ken Anderson's career are better than the six greatest seasons of every other quarterback in NFL history.


You know what they say about stats...


nebish - 3/31/2020 at 11:41 PM

I'll also note, causal referencing in my brain, I've lost more money betting on Philip Rivers than I have won. First mistake, betting on Philip Rivers.


Lee - 3/31/2020 at 11:49 PM

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I put Philip Rivers in the Matt Stafford category, or something like Dave Krieg maybe.





Really?!?! Kreig as good as Rivers or Stafford? Granted, Kreig played on some lousy Seattle teams. I'll give him that but I don't think he was as good as Rivers or Stafford. Definitely not the same as Stafford. He gets criticized a lot but I think that is misguided. As a lifetime Lions fan I have to say that Stafford is the best QB they have had since Greg Landry if you can believe that.

The thing with Stafford that people rail on him about his interceptions. The thing with the Lions is they haven't had a running game since Barry Sanders. If the other team knows what you are going to do, well it's gonna happen.

With Calvin Johnson I suppose he could have put up better numbers. At least he was smart enough to get out of Dodge. Sanders too


nebish - 4/1/2020 at 12:05 AM

Ken Anderson is better than Stafford too!

Kinda makes me want to get out some of the old football cards!

Stafford is just all stats, another guy who makes plenty of bad decisions in the exact wrong time. I thought the Dave Krieg thing might make you laugh, but I do group them together. I thought about saying Jim Hart but on second thought, Rivers and Stafford are better than Hart...well maybe not Stafford. That is just the thing. We see all these modern day QBs who don't win any games but put up all these stats and we're like 'hey they're pretty good'....the NFL history book is littered with QBs who put up numbers on bad teams - doesn't make them special and doesn't make most HOFers.

Anyway, it's good having Rivers in the game still. His personality is good to have around, his on the field fire is good...and his bonehead decisions always make me laugh. Even know when it losses me a bet, I think "that's just Rivers being Rivers".


Lee - 4/1/2020 at 12:12 AM

Didn't Dave Kreig fumble all the time? An 80s version of Winston? I did like Kreig because I kind of felt bad for them since they were so bad. I also liked Steve Largent.

Jim Hart is a good one. Another guy that had to play on awful teams.

Back to Anderson: Remember the AFC Championship game before they went to the Super Bowl when his mustache was frozen to his face?


nebish - 4/1/2020 at 12:14 AM

He had a great stache!

Dave Krieg did fumble all the time. Somebody just passed him in the record books for fumbles I'm pretty sure. I should look that up - Edit Farve (166) most fumbles, Moon second (161) then Krieg (153), but Moon fumbled more in 5 less games (208) than Krieg (213). For reference Brady active leader with 121 in 285 games.



[Edited on 4/1/2020 by nebish]


nebish - 4/1/2020 at 12:35 AM

Looking at my Ken Anderson football cards now, I have all of them except for the 1976 card. According to these football card photos, he didn't grow the mustache until 1981 if the card photos are a accurate representation.




Some notes from the back:

1973 - A strong armed QB who performed very well for Bengals as a rookie in 1971...in 1972 was 5th leading passing QB in conference
1974 - Ken holds a degree in mathematics!
1975 - AFC's leading passer in 1974 (by rating)
1976 - x
1977 - AFC's leading passer in 1975 (by rating)
1978 - ranks among the very top QBs in pro football, and is beginning to take command of the NFL's all-time record book
1979 - 3x pro bowler
1980 -
1981 SB - set super bowl record with 25 completions
1981 - AFC's top rated passer
1982 - is associated with a real estate firm (LOL football cards)
1982 IA - enjoyed perhaps his finest season
1983 -
1983 - set new NFL record for completing 20 straight throws (DeBerg held former record at 18)
1984 - Ken has been in TV commercials (LOL again)
1985 - last card - a pinpoint passer with extreme accuracy


Lee - 4/1/2020 at 12:43 AM

Damn you are particular aren't you?

I have a bunch of those but no commentary. I have WAY too many baseball cards to go through to find the football ones. Plus my Anderson ones I didn't consider good enough to put into sleeves and binders.

Now Forrest Gregg, that's a different animal.


nebish - 4/1/2020 at 12:49 AM

Well, good time to go through some things when there isn't much else to do right? Get those cards sorted!

I go through mine during football season every now and then and pick up some things off ebay to add in the binders.

I did go to an autograph sports show once and guess who was there?


Lee - 4/1/2020 at 12:51 AM

He was no Jerry Kramer though.


nebish - 4/1/2020 at 12:53 AM

I don't have any Jerry Kramer autographs.


Lee - 4/1/2020 at 01:02 AM

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Well, good time to go through some things when there isn't much else to do right? Get those cards sorted!




You probably won't believe this but I have roughly a million baseball cards. Some off site. The majority aren't worth squat but I have them. I also have a bunch of unopened packs. Kids like opening them. So I just give a lot of them away. Organizations will take them.

I have quite a collection. Quite a few valuable. My oldest is from 1933. I don't have any tobacco cards. Been a fun hobby my whole life. My wife hates it. Takes up a ton of space.


Lee - 4/1/2020 at 01:19 AM

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I don't have any Jerry Kramer autographs.


You need to come to Chicago. There's this guy that lives in the neighborhood. His name is "Green Bay Bill". He's really weird. But he knows the Packers like you would not believe. He personally knows every living member of the Packers from back in the day. Never been to his house but the pictures he has shown me are very impressive.


porkchopbob - 4/1/2020 at 01:12 PM

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Stafford is just all stats,


Oh, you mean Stat Padfford? Solid QB, the Lions are lucky to have consistency there for a decade, no doubt the Bears are jealous.

I think Rivers is better than Stafford, but probably not a HOFer. Not every above average QB should get in, it keeps the role players out (guys like Jerry Kramer who waited until 2018). Other than the game he played with a torn ACL, is there a classic Rivers game? That he won? I can't think of one.


jszfunk - 4/1/2020 at 02:21 PM

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I put Philip Rivers in the Matt Stafford category, or something like Dave Krieg maybe.





Really?!?! Kreig as good as Rivers or Stafford? Granted, Kreig played on some lousy Seattle teams. I'll give him that but I don't think he was as good as Rivers or Stafford. Definitely not the same as Stafford. He gets criticized a lot but I think that is misguided. As a lifetime Lions fan I have to say that Stafford is the best QB they have had since Greg Landry if you can believe that.

The thing with Stafford that people rail on him about his interceptions. The thing with the Lions is they haven't had a running game since Barry Sanders. If the other team knows what you are going to do, well it's gonna happen.

With Calvin Johnson I suppose he could have put up better numbers. At least he was smart enough to get out of Dodge. Sanders too


I agree Lee about what you said about "Stafford is the best QB they have had since Greg Landry if you can believe that"

True.
Some of these teams just suffer for years through QB mediocrity. I am sure it can be painful.
Guys rolling in and out. Like I mentioned before it will be interesting to see what BB can do in NE now.

Got my curiosity up. Here is a link to the Lions history of starting QB's. I forgot about Purdue great
Gary Danielson.

List of Detroit Lions starting quarterbacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Detroit_Lions_starting_quarterbacks


Browns. Look at since about 1999-2000 and on
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cleveland_Browns_starting_quarterback s

Packers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Green_Bay_Packers_starting_quarterbac ks

Colts(Balt and Indy)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indianapolis_Colts_starting_quarterba cks

[Edited on 4/1/2020 by jszfunk]

[Edited on 4/1/2020 by jszfunk]


porkchopbob - 4/1/2020 at 06:48 PM

The Browns have been such a disaster since they re-entered the league. Management must be wildly dysfunctional to fail to put anything together in 2 decades, even by accident. Meanwhile it has to hurt to watch your old coach build a dynasty elsewhere and your former franchise win 2 Super Bowls.

At least they get new uniforms that reportedly are more "classic" Browns.


porkchopbob - 4/5/2020 at 10:49 PM

RIP Tom Dempsey, due to Coronavirus. Held the record for longest FG kick for decades.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/tom-dempsey-legendary-nfl-kicker-dead-after- coronavirus-bout-at-age-73


Stephen - 4/5/2020 at 11:07 PM

It’s one of my favorite replays, as it probably is for many sports fans
Article I read didn’t say whose record he broke, or by how much - seem to recall he broke the old record by a lot
RIP


porkchopbob - 4/6/2020 at 12:53 PM

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Article I read didn’t say whose record he broke, or by how much - seem to recall he broke the old record by a lot

He set that record in 1970, right after the merger at a time when the NFL was still just starting to keep some records.

Taking a quick look at the NFL record books, George Blanda's had a 1961 record of 55 yards. That tells you how old it was - the long-time Bears QB was at the end of his career in the the young AFL playing for the Houston Oilers. Assuming the NFL wasn't counting AFL records, the next highest is 55 yarder made in 1969 by - New Orleans' Tom Dempsey.


Lee - 4/6/2020 at 01:40 PM

Sad about Tom Dempsey. Throughout my childhood his kick was one of the records I always remembered. I forgot he was born without toes on one foot. Pretty amazing. RIP.


Lee - 4/6/2020 at 02:25 PM

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The Browns have been such a disaster since they re-entered the league. Management must be wildly dysfunctional to fail to put anything together in 2 decades, even by accident. Meanwhile it has to hurt to watch your old coach build a dynasty elsewhere and your former franchise win 2 Super Bowls.

At least they get new uniforms that reportedly are more "classic" Browns.


Yeah, they are a total mess. I almost feel bad for them but being a Lion fan for 40 years, we have had our pains as well.

I never thought Mayfield was a good pick. They were fun to watch in the 90s. But is has been about 25 years since that. Painful.

And I actually like their uniforms.


Stephen - 4/6/2020 at 02:52 PM

I Always Root For The Browns (my dad was from Cleveland)
But “fun to watch in the 90s”? are we talking about the same Browns team?? Hehe -

haven’t had a sniff ever since Bill Nelson was handing off to Leroy Kelly or passing to WRs Homer Jones & Fair Hooker (watta name), & great TE Milt Morin - dug the retro unis they wore last season

actually the Bernie Kosar teams w/Kevin Mack, Ernest Byner etc were OK - known forever for The Drive, & Byner’s Fumble

I say bring back Brady Quinn, he wasn’t mentioned in that link jszfunk posted of the long line of modern-era Browns QBs

[Edited on 4/6/2020 by Stephen]


Lee - 4/6/2020 at 06:44 PM

Wow, no pass interference reviews?

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-nfl-almost-certainly-to-not-renew-pass-inte rference-review-rule-for-second-season-170013395.html

Not sure what to think of this.


BIGV - 4/6/2020 at 07:12 PM

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Sad about Tom Dempsey. Throughout my childhood his kick was one of the records I always remembered. I forgot he was born without toes on one foot. Pretty amazing. RIP.


Being a life long Saints fan, I can recall Tex Schramm (Cowboys owner at the time) putting up a stink about Dempsey having an "Unfair" advantage because of the metal plate in his boot....

I will never forget the day Tom made that kick. Living in the bay area and growing up wearing the Black and Gold, I was excited as hell to talk about Tom's 63 yarder the next day in school. Approaching a fellow student I knew to be a big NFL fan, I asked "How about that FG"?! His reply was that George Blanda was incredible. Blanda, who was 45 or so at the time had kicked a long FG to win a game for the Raiders on the same day....... Just kind of shows how invisible the Saints and their fans were for their first 15+ years in the league.....

R.I.P. Tom


nebish - 4/7/2020 at 09:27 PM



1970 would be his first issued card, which I don't have. 1979 is his last card, which I do have.

Here is the what the back of the 1971 card says:

"On November 9, 1970, Tom kicked a 63-yard field goal to help the Saints defeat the Lions 19-17 in the last two seconds. It was the longest field goal in NFL history, breaking the mark of 56-yards held by Bert Rechichar of the Colts against the Bears, 9-27-53. The field goal, which was Tom's fourth of the game, broke a barrier. The 60-plus-yard field goal attempt had been routine on pro practice fields and although it will never become routine in a game, it is now likely to be tried more often from time to time and when game situations warrant it. Tom won the Saints' kicking job in the 1969 preseason game against the Broncos when he booted 3-pointers from 54, 49 and 12-yard lines. He kicked 4 field goals each in wins over the Giants & Eagles in 1969."

Notes from other cards:

1972: "...set new Eagles' record with a 52-yarder for one of 3 FG's in 23-20 win vs Lions Dec 4th 1971. Kicked 4 FGs in 19-7 win vs Cardinals Dec 12th, one going 54 yards to break the club record he established the previous week."

1973: "...led league with .706 Field Goal Pct"

1974: "Tom is an account executive in the off-season"


jszfunk - 4/8/2020 at 12:42 PM

Digging the old sports trading cards. Use to have tons, wish I still did. Never really had a real valuable one, except a rookie Tony Dorsett .

Seeing the Tom Dempsey pic reminded me of a Gorman Thomas card from the Brewers I had.


porkchopbob - 4/8/2020 at 05:20 PM

Buccaneers have "new" uniforms. They basically went back to their Dungy/Gruden-era digs. Not earth-shattering, but at least they ditched the ugly alarm clock-style eye sores they've been wearing.





So one Nike dumpster fire fixed, only for them to reveal they uglied up the Falcons' uniforms (with the exception of the throwback). White unitards are not a good look.


jszfunk - 4/8/2020 at 05:25 PM

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Buccaneers have "new" uniforms. They basically went back to their Dungy/Gruden-era digs. Not earth-shattering, but at least they ditched the ugly alarm clock-style eye sores they've been wearing.





So one Nike dumpster fire fixed, only for them to reveal they uglied up the Falcons' uniforms (with the exception of the throwback). White unitards are not a good look.




Should have went back to the old 70's creamsicle orange and white!


porkchopbob - 4/8/2020 at 06:34 PM

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Should have went back to the old 70's creamsicle orange and white!


They were ugly, but there was nothing else like 'em.


Lee - 4/8/2020 at 08:32 PM

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Digging the old sports trading cards. Use to have tons, wish I still did. Never really had a real valuable one, except a rookie Tony Dorsett .

Seeing the Tom Dempsey pic reminded me of a Gorman Thomas card from the Brewers I had.




Some useless information for you: this card is from 1980 (you probably knew that) and that photo was taken in Tiger Stadium. Having grown up outside of Detroit I knew that place like the back of my hands.

Anyway, for some reason I never learned, Topps photographed most of the 1980s American League photos in Tiger Stadium. I was always curious as to why but I never found the person that could tell me why. I assume they had a good local photographer in Detroit.


Lee - 4/8/2020 at 08:36 PM

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But “fun to watch in the 90s”? are we talking about the same Browns team?? Hehe -



Sorry Stephen! I meant the 80s. Those good teams that just couldn't quite get over the hump. Felt bad for Brian Sipe. Always liked that guy for some reason.


Lee - 4/8/2020 at 08:47 PM

Nebish - pretty cool that you have those! You might recall that back then for football cards, they didn't issue one for every player, every season. I don't know if there are any gaps with Dempsey but there are for a lot of players, especially the "non skilled" guys.

My best kicker card is a George Blanda from 1962 that I bought in a coin shop of all places. I want to say it was a Fleer. This guy had a few cards and I gave him a buck for it.


nebish - 4/9/2020 at 05:54 PM

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Nebish - pretty cool that you have those! You might recall that back then for football cards, they didn't issue one for every player, every season. I don't know if there are any gaps with Dempsey but there are for a lot of players, especially the "non skilled" guys.

My best kicker card is a George Blanda from 1962 that I bought in a coin shop of all places. I want to say it was a Fleer. This guy had a few cards and I gave him a buck for it.


Right, I use this website to find the years players had cards during their active careers:
http://www.sportscarddatabase.com/CardPlayerList.aspx?sp=3

Then in my binder I try to leave appropriate blanks in the pages to add the missing card in the future.

I suspect that the coming months/year are going to lead to less demand and some good prices for sports cards.

To accumulate a lot these semi-stars (like Ken Anderson) or contributors (like Dempsey), is I try and buy a near complete set or a set without some of the key cards. Like I am missing a lot of 1976 cards, so I should look to buy a 76 set without the Payton rookie and then the remaining cards in the set have a pretty low average cost. I want them in nice shape, ExMt or NM, but once you take a couple key cards out of a set the remaining cards bought in bulk get pretty cheap. Ebay is the primary source.

I'm in my mid-40s and can remember collecting cards back as early as 1984 (which was a big year for NFL rookies). We had a coin shop about a mile from my house, I'd save some bucks and walk up there every now and then and look through these binders of cards they had and pick out my favorites...Sayers, Tarkenton, Staubach, etc. Back in the mid 80s to sometime before 89 cards were pretty cheap. Then it got pretty crazy. Like I specifically remember my cousing having a TON of 1980 and 1981 cards with several Joe Montana rookies. I paid $9 for a few, then when the 1989 boom hit, that card skyrocketed to $80, then $120 and even as high as $200. I remember my cousin saying "hey I know what those Montana's are worth", I'm like well they were $9 when you sold them to me. Some time in the late 80s when the hobby exploded my Dad started to share my interest and he and I would go to shows together. You mentioned Blanda, I remember a show him and I went to there was a '54 Blanda rookie that for some reason I was drawn to, but it would've taken all the money I had to buy it, so I opted for quantity over that one singular card. Well, my Dad went back and bought that card for me and gave it to me later as a gift. I really like that memory. He never had any cards as a kid, but he liked we had something we could do together before I lost interest in doing stuffy with parents. Still have that card, although ungraded card values in average condition tanked. Might be worth 1/2 to 3/4 what it was worth then. Graded cards are all the rage now. That's a whole 'nother story.

My wife took a short trip to the Pro Football Hall of Fame earlier this year (living in NE Ohio has it's advantages). They had a whole display for the Dan Hunt (Lamar's son) card collection. Pretty interesting if you aren't aware of what they have assembled.
https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/cowboys/2016/07/05/how-the-most-valuable- and-historically-extensive-football-card-collection-was-built-by-dan-hunt-r obert-casterline/


Lee - 4/9/2020 at 10:50 PM

Cool site.

I used to do the same thing when trying to fill up a book with all the cards of a particular player. Then I started to collect the complete team sets of the Tigers all the way back to the 50s so I had to re-do my Al Kalines and put them with the teams by years.

That's a great idea for trying to complete sets. I did the same thing myself. I could pick up anywhere from 200-400 cards from a set pretty cheap (anywhere from $25-$50 at the time) and then work my way from there. I would purchase or trade for the expensive stars. I used to be concerned with condition but then I decided if the card wasn't in horrible condition and I just wanted it for a set and I had no intention of selling it, I lowered my standards. For anything I needed to sell or use as trade bait, of course condition is key. I think the card grading idea is a bunch of crap.

Those 80s football rookies were indeed valuable. I had a bunch of unopened 1984 Topps football wax packages years ago. I don't recall what I got for them but I figured the odds of me pulling any of those rookies were not as good as me selling the packs themselves. I probably got more for them than you would get for them today.

I totally agree with you about today's market. Definitely a buyer's market. The card companies killed the goose by running the presses 25 hours a day. Almost anything after about 1985 isn't worth crap (with some exceptions). If someone just wants to build a collection this is a great time to do so.

I've always wanted to put my complete sets in binders but there is no way in hell I have the room for it so they are all still in those long white boxes.


nebish - 4/13/2020 at 06:50 PM

Lots of rare and interesting items in this very large sports collectible auction:

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/Lots/Gallery


porkchopbob - 4/13/2020 at 07:40 PM

RIP Tavaris Jackson, former Vikings and Seahawks QB.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29029379/former-vikings-seahawks-qb-tar varis-jackson-dies-car-accident


porkchopbob - 4/13/2020 at 07:43 PM

Colts updated their uniforms, in subtle fashion. When you have classic uniforms, you don't mess with them.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29029895/colts-honor-home-state-tweaked -uniform-secondary-logo


Lee - 4/14/2020 at 07:23 PM

quote:
Lots of rare and interesting items in this very large sports collectible auction:

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/Lots/Gallery



Wow! I'd love to tour their warehouse. I can't believe how many tobacco cards they have. If I had a little more disposable income there are two 1950s Bowman baseball card "almost" sets I would bid on. I imagine some of the bids go way up in the last few minutes of the auction, just like on ebay.


nebish - 4/14/2020 at 08:16 PM

quote:
quote:
Lots of rare and interesting items in this very large sports collectible auction:

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/Lots/Gallery



Wow! I'd love to tour their warehouse. I can't believe how many tobacco cards they have. If I had a little more disposable income there are two 1950s Bowman baseball card "almost" sets I would bid on. I imagine some of the bids go way up in the last few minutes of the auction, just like on ebay.


I always just try and sneak in at the end on the ebay auctions. One, it limits anyone outbidding me at the last second if I come in at the last second and two, it works as a true cap on what I'll bid - sometimes you can get caught up in the moment and spend more than you want. If I put my top bid in as time expires it guarantees I won't pay more than I wanted to in the heat of the moment when emotions might take over. I've read there are programs that can do that for you, something called sniper bidding or something. I just try and submit my bid with 3 seconds left, win some, lose some.

That Robert Edwards place has a ton of stuff. I signed up for a couple auction houses at some point, but have never bid. Robert Edwards actually publishes a full print catalog of their items, it's 600 pages on nice glossy thick stock paper. Yeah, they make some money on their auctions I'm sure.


Lee - 4/14/2020 at 08:42 PM

Wow, what does the catalog cost? It would be neat just to have that.


nebish - 4/14/2020 at 08:51 PM

quote:
Wow, what does the catalog cost? It would be neat just to have that.


I'm going to let my cousin see it, whenever that is, but after that I can mail it to you if you want? It's actually a really nice book, I'm sure you would enjoy looking through it. Nearly 500 of the over 600 pages are baseball related. Contains nice photos of the items with a description, their opening bid and in most cases an estimated value of the items.


Lee - 4/14/2020 at 09:03 PM

Sure, I'd love to see it!

Not surprising that the brunt is baseball. It is the predominant sport with this stuff. I was surprised that there was so much hockey stuff. If there was more demand for the other three major sports the values of those would be worth way more. A helluva lot more baseball items were made than the other three sports.


nebish - 4/14/2020 at 10:21 PM

Golden age and prewar baseball memorabilia is still huge. For one thing, there really isn't much in the way of pre-war football memorabilia, very limited...one tabacco issue of college football players in the mid-1890s, a 1935 football issue and two cards in the 1933 Goudy release. That is it. And the popularity of baseball in the golden years vs football makes the football stuff less sought after. It makes collecting football memorabilia a little easier in most ways, and more affordable. But it does mean there is less cool stuff out there....I mean 500 pages vs less than 100 for football. Baseball truly was and is king when it comes to vintage collectors. I have no idea what the hobby is like now, but I suspect football's national popularity for current players has overtaken the lead for collectors.


Lee - 4/14/2020 at 10:33 PM

Totally agree with everything you say. Baseball has always been king with memorabilia. And as we've kind of discussed this is a great time to buy. Especially non-baseball sports. If I was just a collector I would definitely prefer to not be more of a baseball fan. Much better prices!


joyful_noise - 4/15/2020 at 12:21 AM

Collectibles are getting ready to take a huge hit. Wait for it. Six months from now I will wager most collectibles will be going for 50% of their current value. This will go for all collectibles, just not sports.

I am predicting no NFL this year. Done.

I hope I am wrong, just being realistic.


nebish - 4/15/2020 at 12:40 AM

I do agree that collectables are going to be going down and items for sale could be showing up as people look to raise some cash. In some ways, these things are like investments, some of them at least.


porkchopbob - 4/15/2020 at 04:23 PM

Cleveland Browns are BACK! Well, at least their classic uniforms are. We'll see how that translates to what they do on the field, but at least they will look good.

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/photos/photos-browns-unveil-new-uniforms


porkchopbob - 4/15/2020 at 04:24 PM


porkchopbob - 4/15/2020 at 04:26 PM

quote:
I am predicting no NFL this year. Done.

I hope I am wrong, just being realistic.

If it happens, I doubt the season will start on-time in September. Either way, sports is going to look different. I think people will very slowly be returning to normal life, and spending money on sports won't be a luxury for as many people.


porkchopbob - 4/15/2020 at 06:59 PM

RIP Packers legend Willie Davis

https://www.packers.com/news/statement-from-the-family-of-willie-davis


Lee - 4/15/2020 at 11:11 PM

quote:
Collectibles are getting ready to take a huge hit. Wait for it. Six months from now I will wager most collectibles will be going for 50% of their current value. This will go for all collectibles, just not sports.

I am predicting no NFL this year. Done.

I hope I am wrong, just being realistic.



50% seems a bit extreme to me. And if you are correct, I think it depends on what the collectible is. I don't think something like that would be across the board.

And hey, if you are a buyer these are great times.


Lee - 4/15/2020 at 11:13 PM

quote:
Cleveland Browns are BACK! Well, at least their classic uniforms are. We'll see how that translates to what they do on the field, but at least they will look good.

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/photos/photos-browns-unveil-new-uniforms



I am in the minority but I like the ones of the past few years with the lettering on the pants.


cyclone88 - 4/15/2020 at 11:48 PM

quote:
I am predicting no NFL this year. Done.

With the entertainment capitals of the US - LA & NYC - mayors saying no stadium-type concert or sports events until 2021, I'd say you're correct unless they go w/playing to an empty stadium for TV/streaming.


porkchopbob - 4/16/2020 at 12:32 PM

quote:
I am in the minority but I like the ones of the past few years with the lettering on the pants.

Oh man, I couldn't stand those. Especially since the Browns always had such a perfect, simple uniform from the start.


porkchopbob - 4/16/2020 at 12:37 PM

quote:
With the entertainment capitals of the US - LA & NYC - mayors saying no stadium-type concert or sports events until 2021, I'd say you're correct unless they go w/playing to an empty stadium for TV/streaming.

I don't think they'd play to empty stadiums, unless it is just to keep the brand alive. TV contracts are big, but they make money in those stadiums - parking, concessions, box seats, etc. Also, players aren't going to want to play a contact sport if COVID is still a risk. Eventually they will return and people will be eager to watch, but I wonder how much a ticket will cost when people have less money to spend on a day at the ball park.


nebish - 4/16/2020 at 02:25 PM

The economic fallout of canceled major sporting events is just massive.


Lee - 4/17/2020 at 12:42 AM

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The economic fallout of canceled major sporting events is just massive.


Yeah, totally. I imagine that is why so many people; owners, cities, municipalities, politicians, etc. are trying to do whatever they can do to get things up and running.

There are SO many people affected by this. Pretty sure the multi millionaires are going to be okay. But what about all of the other people that rely on sports? You could make quite a list of jobs and professions affected by this.

And all the ancillary industries.


Lee - 4/19/2020 at 12:43 PM

Sure hope I don't have to change the title to NFL 2021.



I mean, the Lions are poised for greatness in 2020.


Lee - 4/21/2020 at 11:36 AM

Has anyone read this article about the draft? Now one might think that everyone involved should have their IT departments on top of things but there are a lot of moving parts to this. I imagine it will only take one hiccup to start a snowball effect.

https://sports.yahoo.com/expectation-for-nf-ls-virtual-draft-someone-will-h ave-a-problem-005738746.html

I certainly hope it works out okay but I've been on a lot of these technology meetings over the past several weeks and unfortunately it can get messed up pretty quickly. Hope for the best!



jszfunk - 4/21/2020 at 03:31 PM

quote:
Has anyone read this article about the draft? Now one might think that everyone involved should have their IT departments on top of things but there are a lot of moving parts to this. I imagine it will only take one hiccup to start a snowball effect.

https://sports.yahoo.com/expectation-for-nf-ls-virtual-draft-someone-will-h ave-a-problem-005738746.html

I certainly hope it works out okay but I've been on a lot of these technology meetings over the past several weeks and unfortunately it can get messed up pretty quickly. Hope for the best!





Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about having IT on standby. It could get weird, as great as technology can be though.


porkchopbob - 4/21/2020 at 04:01 PM

Chargers unveiled new uniforms and they look pretty awesome. Nice, clean, simple, and classic.


piacere - 4/21/2020 at 11:12 PM

Tampa Bay Patriots might have a pretty decent team now.

All they need is Edelman and Michel and they'll be all set.


Stephen - 4/22/2020 at 11:13 AM

Gronk returns, watta shock


jszfunk - 4/22/2020 at 12:08 PM

BA I am sure is loving this even more now.
Not sure if it would happen, but a NE vs TB Super bowl would be pretty interesting.


nebish - 4/22/2020 at 12:57 PM

quote:
Gronk returns, watta shock


Awesome! I missed him!


Lee - 4/23/2020 at 12:26 AM

This whole thing is so much like soap opera. So many articles about them. This one I found interesting.

https://sports.yahoo.com/rob-gronkowskis-nfl-return-says-it-all-the-patriot s-breakup-is-a-bill-belichick-story-053343943.html

For months and months we could read the geniuses (media) talking about why something like this would never happen because the Pats still owned the rights to Gronk. Well, they didn't really get much for him but I guess at least they were smart enough to get something.


Lee - 4/23/2020 at 11:03 PM

When I came home today there was this lady coming towards me pushing one of those double side strollers with two little kids. She has a loud Pittsburgh Steelers sweater on. Looked at her mask and it looked like a Terrible Towel. I waited for her to pass me and sure enough, it was.


Lee - 4/23/2020 at 11:43 PM

Looking forward to the draft tonight. Should be interesting. I want to see what the Lions can screw up.

Don't sell them short. They will figure out a way to screw it up.


nebish - 4/24/2020 at 12:13 AM

Dr Fauci makes a prerecorded message prior to the NFL draft. Oh boy, he's big time now!


nebish - 4/24/2020 at 12:35 AM

Pretty sure Joe Burrow's parents can afford some new curtains now!


Lee - 4/24/2020 at 12:44 AM

Lions didn't mess up. I guess if they didn't trade down, that was a solid choice. Poor guy has to go to Detroit though.


nebish - 4/24/2020 at 12:55 AM

Who is Joe Judge and why does an NFL head coach appear to live in a apartment decorated like a college kid? LOL


nebish - 4/24/2020 at 01:03 AM

Top 5 pick for Tua. Great for him. I'm hoping for his good health and talent to make Miami a contender again!


Lee - 4/24/2020 at 01:14 AM

Could be fun. Marino? Griese?


nebish - 4/24/2020 at 02:42 AM

Probably about done watching the draft, but I've enjoyed it. I do not watch much draft coverage anymore, but I liked the at-home version. I like seeing people's offices and houses and stuff. It's been cool, seeing the coaches kids and the player's family in a casual setting. The broadcast has gone well.


BIGV - 4/24/2020 at 07:21 PM

quote:
Top 5 pick for Tua. Great for him. I'm hoping for his good health and talent to make Miami a contender again!


Yeah, a few things going against the Dolphins here. One is the health issue, hurt in college, what is going to play out against new schemes, bigger, stronger and faster defensive players? #2 is the guaranteed money you have to give pick #5. Didn't the Dolphins have 6 picks in the 1st 70?...You could have traded down and done so much more for the team....

We'll see.


BIGV - 4/24/2020 at 07:22 PM

quote:
Not sure if it would happen, but a NE vs TB Super bowl would be pretty interesting.


Tampa gets there before the Pats, who is N.E.'s QB?


jszfunk - 4/24/2020 at 07:44 PM

Packers take Jordan Love. Interesting pick, but maybe they are just looking to the future. Rodgers is 36yrs old.


Lee - 5/4/2020 at 03:17 PM

Damn, RIP on of the all-time greats, Don Shula.

When I was a kid in the 70s there was a kid that lived behind us and like me, was a sports nut. He was two years older than me and being impressionable at the time, I kind of looked up to him and he was a die-hard Dolphins fan so I figured I should be too. All those years later, I still kind of liked the Dolphins. Marino following after Griese didn't hurt.

Who knows, maybe their perfect record will never be met.


Stephen - 5/4/2020 at 03:40 PM

One of the greats - tops all time in career wins
Looked on helplessly as Blanton Collier & the Browns beat the Colts 27-0 in the 1964 championship
5 years later, same thing as Broadway Joe & the Jets beat the heavily favored Colts in SB III
Then Balt won the SB the 1st year after coach Shula’s move to Miami on Jim O’Brien’s miracle FG
Leading to another SB loss the next year, to Dallas

So people wondered about coach Shula’s ability to win the big one
But he proved them wrong - would love to have seen them beat SF in 1985
RIP, Don Shula


porkchopbob - 5/4/2020 at 04:23 PM

quote:
Packers take Jordan Love. Interesting pick, but maybe they are just looking to the future. Rodgers is 36yrs old.


Yeah, of course there's no sports right now so the blowhard sports talk guys are blowing this out of proportion like it's 2005 again. Rodgers is 36 and he isn't the iron man Favre was - he missed almost 2 whole seasons at times when GB barely had any backup QBs. So this looks to the future and the present. Realistically Rodgers has 5 years max left as an elite QB. If he has more, I bet you GB won't pay a 41 year-old, they look forward and that's why they stay competitive. Love could suck, he move on after his rookie contract is up in 3 years if Rodgers is still playing well, or he could take over before then if Rodgers breaks another collar bone. I guarantee it will motivate Rodgers this season.


nebish - 5/8/2020 at 02:54 PM

Schedule came out. I watched a couple minutes last night. NFL network said they were going to do a 4 hour show on the schedule! Is that normal for a schedule release show or is it just pent-up need to talk sports.

NFL says any tickets purchased through them or their direct licensed seller (which I think is seat geek?) will get refunds if games get played with no fans.


nebish - 5/8/2020 at 03:06 PM

quote:
One of the greats - tops all time in career wins
Looked on helplessly as Blanton Collier & the Browns beat the Colts 27-0 in the 1964 championship
5 years later, same thing as Broadway Joe & the Jets beat the heavily favored Colts in SB III
Then Balt won the SB the 1st year after coach Shula’s move to Miami on Jim O’Brien’s miracle FG
Leading to another SB loss the next year, to Dallas

So people wondered about coach Shula’s ability to win the big one
But he proved them wrong - would love to have seen them beat SF in 1985
RIP, Don Shula


Thanks for that synopsis. I was not fully aware of Shula's earlier struggles to get over the hump in championship games - then failed to realize Colts won it the year after he left.

He was at an autograph show I went to once, I had him sign a photo of the team carrying him off the field following his 325th win. I just told him I appreciated him being at the show. Cool story of that win - current Eagles Coach Doug Pederson was the winning QB in a reserve role for the Dolphin's that day in Philly:

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Reward Fits: Shula Gets Carried Off Field : Interconference: Dolphins forgo dousing coach and do the classy thing after record-setting victory over Eagles.
By BILL PLASCHKE
Nov. 15, 1993
12 AM
TIMES STAFF WRITER
PHILADELPHIA —

The greatest tribute to Don Shula Sunday involved the one his players would not offer.

Respect for the NFL’s winningest coach was an untouched Gatorade cooler.

Members of the Miami Dolphins were going to dump the liquid on their leader during the final moments of Shula’s record 325th career victory, a 19-14 victory over the Philadelphia Eagles.

But at the last second, they changed their minds.

He had just led them to a second-half comeback with their third-string quarterback. He had just convinced them, once again, to embrace the improbable.

They didn’t want him looking like a drowned rat. They wanted him looking like a king.

“A classy man,” guard Keith Sims said. “We looked at the Gatorade and said, ‘You know, we need to do a classy thing.’ ”

And so he was lifted by three linemen and carried across the Veterans Stadium field, his right arm thrust to the sky, his eyes moist, surrounded by dozens of his players straining to touch him.

In passing George Halas for the most career coaching wins in NFL history, Shula traveled in style.

“I think the last time I was up there was in 1972 when we went 17-0,” Shula said of his ride. “It’s been a long time since I’ve been on top of anybody’s shoulders. This is a win I’ll always remember.”

So will quarterback Doug Pederson.

Before Sunday, his biggest pro game was in the spring of 1992, when he led the New York/New Jersey Knights to a victory over their bitter rivals, the Frankfurt (Germany) Galaxy.

Pederson, 25, was a third stringer in the World League. When Sunday began, he was the Dolphins’ second stringer behind Scott Mitchell.

Twenty-seven seconds into the second half, with the Dolphins trailing, 14-13, he was standing under center.

Mitchell suffered a separated left shoulder by colliding with linebacker Britt Hager. First Dan Marino, now this.

Teammates were hiding their heads. Gary Stevens, offensive coordinator, was holding out his hands as if to say, what do we do now?

Only Shula did not change his expression. Urging Pederson to stay calm, he instantly downsized their offense and hustled him in for his first NFL regular-season snap.

“I tried to be calm, but with everything flashing through my head, it was real hard,” Pederson said.

On his fourth play from scrimmage, with the Dolphins preparing to score the go-ahead touchdown after recovering an Eagle fumble, Pederson gave the ball back by fumbling on the one-yard line.

“Coach Shula still didn’t say anything bad to me,” Pederson said. “He just kept telling me it was going to be all right, telling me that I could do it.”

And so he did, leading the Dolphins to two field goals while not making any more mistakes. So what if the scores came after drives of one and 45 yards?

The Eagles, with a fumble, a missed field-goal attempt and a dropped pass by James Lofton on the Dolphins’ 10-yard line in the final seconds, did the rest.

After the game, Shula, wearing red lipstick that new wife Mary Anne had distributed across his formidable jaw, said: “This game was special to me mainly because of the way we won.”

Shula, who is now 325-153-6 in the regular season and playoffs, added, “After the game, I thanked the team for hanging in there.”

And the players returned the plaudits by surprising him with an autographed, framed drawing of a sculpture that they have commissioned for him. The sculpture will feature a large hand holding a football.

“I’m sure many of his 325 wins were like this, not pretty, a struggle requiring perseverance,” said veteran linebacker John Offerdahl, who presented the gift.

One of those games was earlier this season, when the Dolphins were trailing the Cleveland Browns, 14-10, when Marino was knocked out for the season with a torn Achilles’ tendon.

“We put in our second string quarterback and won that game, too, right?” Sims asked. “For Coach Shula to pull that off twice in one year, that is really something.”

With Mitchell out for four to six weeks, there are more difficult moments ahead. Pederson, who has been waived during training camp the past three years, threw only six passes, completing three for 34 yards. The offense ran the ball 21 times when he was in the game.

It figures that the Dolphin quarterback for the next month will probably be veteran Steve DeBerg, who was signed this week after being cut by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

“Will we survive?” defensive end Jeff Cross asked. “Do we have a choice?”

Not under Don Shula, they don’t.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-11-15-sp-57188-story.html


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