Thread: Better to have a few rats than to be one

Bhawk - 7/28/2019 at 09:39 PM

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Better to have a few rats than to be one

By BALTIMORE SUN EDITORIAL BOARD

BALTIMORE SUN | JUL 27, 2019 | 6:36 PM

In case anyone missed it, the president of the United States had some choice words to describe Maryland’s 7th congressional district on Saturday morning. Here are the key phrases: “no human being would want to live there,” it is a “very dangerous & filthy place,” “Worst in the USA” and, our personal favorite: It is a “rat and rodent infested mess.” He wasn’t really speaking of the 7th as a whole. He failed to mention Ellicott City, for example, or Baldwin or Monkton or Prettyboy, all of which are contained in the sprawling yet oddly-shaped district that runs from western Howard County to southern Harford County. No, Donald Trump’s wrath was directed at Baltimore and specifically at Rep. Elijah Cummings, the 68-year-old son of a former South Carolina sharecropper who has represented the district in the U.S. House of Representatives since 1996.

Via twitter:
"Rep, Elijah Cummings has been a brutal bully, shouting and screaming at the great men & women of Border Patrol about conditions at the Southern Border, when actually his Baltimore district is FAR WORSE and more dangerous. His district is considered the Worst in the USA.....As proven last week during a Congressional tour, the Border is clean, efficient & well run, just very crowded. Cumming district is a disgusting, rat & rodent infested mess. If he spent more time in Baltimore, maybe he could help clean up this very dangerous and filthy place."

It’s not hard to see what’s going on here. The congressman has been a thorn in this president’s side, and Mr. Trump sees attacking African American members of Congress as good politics, as it both warms the cockles of the white supremacists who love him and causes so many of the thoughtful people who don’t to scream. President Trump bad-mouthed Baltimore in order to make a point that the border camps are “clean, efficient & well run," which, of course, they are not — unless you are fine with all the overcrowding, squalor, cages and deprivation to be found in what the Department of Homeland Security’s own inspector-general recently called “a ticking time bomb."

In pointing to the 7th, the president wasn’t hoping his supporters would recognize landmarks like Johns Hopkins Hospital, perhaps the nation’s leading medical center. He wasn’t conjuring images of the U.S. Social Security Administration, where they write the checks that so many retired and disabled Americans depend upon. It wasn’t about the beauty of the Inner Harbor or the proud history of Fort McHenry. And it surely wasn’t about the economic standing of a district where the median income is actually above the national average. No, he was returning to an old standby of attacking an African American lawmaker from a majority black district on the most emotional and bigoted of arguments. It was only surprising that there wasn’t room for a few classic phrases like “you people” or “welfare queens” or “crime-ridden ghettos” or a suggestion that the congressman “go back” to where he came from.

This is a president who will happily debase himself at the slightest provocation. And given Mr. Cummings’ criticisms of U.S. border policy, the various investigations he has launched as chairman of the House Oversight Committee, his willingness to call Mr. Trump a racist for his recent attacks on the freshmen congresswomen, and the fact that “Fox & Friends” had recently aired a segment critical of the city, slamming Baltimore must have been irresistible in a Pavlovian way. Fox News rang the bell, the president salivated and his thumbs moved across his cell phone into action.

As heartening as it has been to witness public figures rise to Charm City’s defense on Saturday, from native daughter House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to Mayor Bernard C. “Jack” Young, we would above all remind Mr. Trump that the 7th District, Baltimore included, is part of the United States that he is supposedly governing. The White House has far more power to effect change in this city, for good or ill, than any single member of Congress including Mr. Cummings. If there are problems here, rodents included, they are as much his responsibility as anyone’s, perhaps more because he holds the most powerful office in the land.

Finally, while we would not sink to name-calling in the Trumpian manner — or ruefully point out that he failed to spell the congressman’s name correctly (it’s Cummings, not Cumming) — we would tell the most dishonest man to ever occupy the Oval Office, the mocker of war heroes, the gleeful grabber of women’s private parts, the serial bankrupter of businesses, the useful idiot of Vladimir Putin and the guy who insisted there are “good people” among murderous neo-Nazis that he’s still not fooling most Americans into believing he’s even slightly competent in his current post. Or that he possesses a scintilla of integrity. Better to have some vermin living in your neighborhood than to be one.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/editorial/bs-ed-0728-trump-baltimore-2 0190727-k6ac4yvnpvcczlaexdfglifada-story.html



crazyjoe - 7/28/2019 at 09:43 PM

Well, at least Heinrich Himmler Jr. Here has stepped up and endorsed the masters words!!!..........Peace..........joe

Top aide says Trump's criticism of black lawmaker not racist

http://flip.it/AvSyqk

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/28/mulvaney-trump-cummings-not-racis t-1438210

[Edited on 7/28/2019 by crazyjoe]


Bhawk - 7/28/2019 at 09:56 PM

Trumpism is White Nationalism, grown organically. This is plainly evident.

The President is so concerned about Baltimore and the rest of America that this morning he went to one of his golf clubs for the 212th time since becoming President.

The division is deepening and all who pay attention are more than willing to choose a tribe to attack and defend at all costs.

Trumpism has conservatives mocking the government for not doing more to help poor people in blighted areas. Cue the Twilight Zone theme. Will Baltimore be the first in a long line of the poorest areas of America being improved by government assistance, with Trump and the Republicans leading the way?

Since the Sun published his editorial, The President has called Cummings a racist who is dividing the country. Apparently, projection really is a thing.




crazyjoe - 7/28/2019 at 09:56 PM

Every single member of this "administration" has the facial expression like the butt plug they are wearing is one size too big for em or something???.........Peace........joe


pops42 - 7/28/2019 at 11:55 PM

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Every single member of this "administration" has the facial expression like the butt plug they are wearing is one size too big for em or something???.........Peace........joe
trump is the "butt plug".


MarkRamsey - 7/29/2019 at 02:43 AM

If you are Republican and you complain about Obama or you are Democrat and you complain about W you need a good smack upside your head. For the love of God in a nation of 320 million we have to be able to do better than this!


PattyG - 7/29/2019 at 01:27 PM

Unfortunately the people who support this administration do not seem to understand that the world they are creating today will come after them and theirs. At what point do you think that it will be something about you or your kids or future grandkids/great grandkids that won't fall into the net of who "deserves" to be considered an American. The president of the USA and his minions can now decide who is human and who is not. Today I might get caught in the net of the new republican dogma but trust me it will eventually drag in some of yours!

[Edited on 7/29/2019 by PattyG]


KCJimmy - 7/29/2019 at 09:24 PM

Criticizing a person of color is not racism. it is criticism. Hating a person of color BECAUSE they are a person of color IS racism. Under your rules no person of color could EVER be criticized by a caucasion. Democrats have overplayed the use of the word racism to the point that it is meaningless.

And BTW those babies you all are in favor of discarding at 5 months, 6 months, 7 even 8 months. They are human as well. What color do you think the majority of them are? Who is racist?


Skydog32103 - 7/29/2019 at 10:34 PM

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Criticizing a person of color is not racism. it is criticism. Hating a person of color BECAUSE they are a person of color IS racism. Under your rules no person of color could EVER be criticized by a caucasion. Democrats have overplayed the use of the word racism to the point that it is meaningless.

And BTW those babies you all are in favor of discarding at 5 months, 6 months, 7 even 8 months. They are human as well. What color do you think the majority of them are? Who is racist?


the criticism isn’t what we think is racist. It’s the action of criticizing a group for something, while turning a blind eye to another group that’s doing the same thing. For example, it’s ok to admire Trump, but then you can’t complain about Omar or AOC for being unprofessional, because we know you don’t care about professionalism. If you can’t explain your difference in reaction, then you are making your own bed.



[Edited on 7/30/2019 by Skydog32103]


Bhawk - 7/29/2019 at 11:11 PM

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Criticizing a person of color is not racism. it is criticism. Hating a person of color BECAUSE they are a person of color IS racism. Under your rules no person of color could EVER be criticized by a caucasion. Democrats have overplayed the use of the word racism to the point that it is meaningless.

And BTW those babies you all are in favor of discarding at 5 months, 6 months, 7 even 8 months. They are human as well. What color do you think the majority of them are? Who is racist?


When the President talks about infestations, he ain’t talking about rats and mice.


alanwoods - 7/30/2019 at 12:14 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/president-baltimore-democrats-really-prepared-09 0013224.html


BIGV - 7/30/2019 at 07:59 PM

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Would you ever consider living in West Baltimore? And are you a racist if you say no?


KCJimmy - 7/30/2019 at 10:35 PM

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the criticism isn’t what we think is racist. It’s the action of criticizing a group for something, while turning a blind eye to another group that’s doing the same thing. For example, it’s ok to admire Trump, but then you can’t complain about Omar or AOC for being unprofessional, because we know you don’t care about professionalism. If you can’t explain your difference in reaction, then you are making your own bed.
Are you drunk? It is not racist to criticize a person of color. It is racist to hate them because of their color. It is really simple but yet it keeps coming up. Omar says, “I would say our country should be more fearful of white men across our country..." Now see that generalization seems to have racial ovetones to it. FREE PASS. Why? You know darn well why.


Jerry - 7/30/2019 at 11:11 PM

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Would you ever consider living in West Baltimore? And are you a racist if you say no?



Only if I could have at least some acreage around me for gardening. Or at least some acreage where I can plant apple trees, pecan trees, Fig trees, muscadines, kiwi, have a few deer, raccoons, opossums, foxes, squirrels, rabbits, I guess it would be too cold for armadillos, BUT, I don't think that's available in West Baltimore.
I didn't see any large tracts of land in any area of Baltimore last time i was there. (Except around Constitution Hall and the Liberty Bell.)


Skydog32103 - 7/30/2019 at 11:16 PM

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Are you drunk? It is not racist to criticize a person of color. It is racist to hate them because of their color. It is really simple but yet it keeps coming up. Omar says, “I would say our country should be more fearful of white men across our country..." Now see that generalization seems to have racial ovetones to it. FREE PASS. Why? You know darn well why.


Um, go back and read my post that you quoted. I agreed that criticism of a minority is NOT racist. Were you drunk when responding?


PhotoRon286 - 7/31/2019 at 12:51 AM

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the criticism isn’t what we think is racist. It’s the action of criticizing a group for something, while turning a blind eye to another group that’s doing the same thing. For example, it’s ok to admire Trump, but then you can’t complain about Omar or AOC for being unprofessional, because we know you don’t care about professionalism. If you can’t explain your difference in reaction, then you are making your own bed.
Are you drunk? It is not racist to criticize a person of color. It is racist to hate them because of their color. It is really simple but yet it keeps coming up. Omar says, “I would say our country should be more fearful of white men across our country..." Now see that generalization seems to have racial ovetones to it. FREE PASS. Why? You know darn well why.


Considering the profile of most of the mass shooters in the past ten years, she's right on the money.

Facts are hard for trumpsters.


BIGV - 7/31/2019 at 02:22 AM

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Considering the profile of most of the mass shooters in the past ten years


What, that the majority are MINORS?


JimSheridan - 7/31/2019 at 03:35 AM

Trump didn't call out Cummings because Trump cares about Baltimore. Plenty of towns and cities across the country have bad sections, and Trump will never mention them.

Cummings has dared to criticize our thin-skinned POTUS, and Trump always flips out and has a Twitter tantrum anytime anyone dares to challenge him.

This is yet another time our Tweeter-in-Chief wastes his time on the Internet stirring the pot rather than actually accomplishing anything. His base is delighted any time he picks a fight with a person of color, but he's only trying to defend himself from further questioning or investigation.

In the meantime, Jon Stewart is the guy who raised national outrage about the 9/11 responders while Republicans like Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul tried to stall it. Trump eventually turned it into a photo op for himself, but anyone who can read has been able to see that Jon Stewart cares more about Americans than Trump. Trump won't do anything for Baltimore.


BIGV - 7/31/2019 at 04:32 AM

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Cumming district is a disgusting, rat & rodent infested mess. If he spent more time in Baltimore, maybe he could help clean up this very dangerous and filthy place."


https://youtu.be/HPTg1wswhlg

Timing!


KCJimmy - 7/31/2019 at 05:00 PM

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This is yet another time our Tweeter-in-Chief wastes his time on the Internet stirring the pot rather than actually accomplishing anything. His base is delighted any time he picks a fight with a person of color, but he's only trying to defend himself from further questioning or investigation.
Why must the left ALWAYS make it about color? He criticized Ellija Cummings. The only reason to point out he is black is so they can make it about race, particularly when the criticism is accurate.


BIGV - 7/31/2019 at 05:04 PM

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Here are the key phrases: “no human being would want to live there,” it is a “very dangerous & filthy place,” “Worst in the USA” and, our personal favorite: It is a “rat and rodent infested mess.”


https://youtu.be/HPTg1wswhlg

It is though


KCJimmy - 7/31/2019 at 05:16 PM

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Considering the profile of most of the mass shooters in the past ten years, she's right on the money.
True on mass shooters which account for a very small percentage of murders each year. Who murders the most African Americans?

Facts can indeed be pesky.



[Edited on 7/31/2019 by KCJimmy]


Sang - 7/31/2019 at 06:21 PM

Nice deflection - right on cue....... lol


Skydog32103 - 7/31/2019 at 06:26 PM

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True on mass shooters which account for a very small percentage of murders each year. Who murders the most African Americans?

Facts can indeed be pesky.


it's the consistent target of minorities while turning a blind eye to the plights of the meth and opiate-riddled trailer park communities across all the red states. All of these communities should be viewed with compassion for having to live on the bottom rung that is created by free capitalism. why kick them while they are down? how brave to pick on the weakest segments, such tough guys! directing all your focus on the bottom rung while turning a blind eye to the priviliged folks who had every advantage, is as cowardly as it gets. please continue.


BIGV - 7/31/2019 at 07:32 PM

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True on mass shooters which account for a very small percentage of murders each year. Who murders the most African Americans?

Facts can indeed be pesky.


it's the consistent target of minorities while turning a blind eye to the plights of the meth and opiate-riddled trailer park communities across all the red states. All of these communities should be viewed with compassion for having to live on the bottom rung that is created by free capitalism. why kick them while they are down? how brave to pick on the weakest segments, such tough guys! directing all your focus on the bottom rung while turning a blind eye to the priviliged folks who had every advantage, is as cowardly as it gets. please continue.


So, are you for further taxation?...Or do you contribute your own hard earned $$?


adhill58 - 8/1/2019 at 12:44 AM

It is quite the tightrope walk to be so very concerned about how the monstrous Ihan Omar has offended Jewish people while explaining why nobody ever should be offended by what Trump does and says, even when he took days to half-heartedly say that he didn't agree with people with torches chanting, "Jews will not replace us."




BIGV - 8/1/2019 at 01:07 AM

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It is quite the tightrope walk to be so very concerned about how the monstrous Ihan Omar has offended Jewish people while explaining why nobody ever should be offended by what Trump does and says, even when he took days to half-heartedly say that he didn't agree with people with torches chanting, "Jews will not replace us."


They can not both be correct.


PhotoRon286 - 8/1/2019 at 01:46 AM

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Considering the profile of most of the mass shooters in the past ten years


What, that the majority are MINORS?


The majority are white males.

Quite a few, including the most recent, have racist, anti-semitic ideas.

Next deflection???


adhill58 - 8/1/2019 at 02:22 AM

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It is quite the tightrope walk to be so very concerned about how the monstrous Ihan Omar has offended Jewish people while explaining why nobody ever should be offended by what Trump does and says, even when he took days to half-heartedly say that he didn't agree with people with torches chanting, "Jews will not replace us."


They can not both be correct.


Are you agreeing that the "Omar=Bad, Trump=Good" argument holds no water?


BIGV - 8/1/2019 at 02:40 AM

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It is quite the tightrope walk to be so very concerned about how the monstrous Ihan Omar has offended Jewish people while explaining why nobody ever should be offended by what Trump does and says, even when he took days to half-heartedly say that he didn't agree with people with torches chanting, "Jews will not replace us."


They can not both be correct.


Are you agreeing that the "Omar=Bad, Trump=Good" argument holds no water?


Or: Omar=Good, Trump=Bad, holds just as little...


BIGV - 8/1/2019 at 02:42 AM

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Considering the profile of most of the mass shooters in the past ten years


What, that the majority are MINORS?


The majority are white males.


Proving my point so easily, leave it to a Liberal to bring up color.

The majority are Minors, still.


BIGV - 8/1/2019 at 03:32 AM

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When the President talks about infestations, he ain’t talking about rats and mice.


Funny.... Here it is straight from the Congressman's own mouth, talking about "Infestation"..20 years ago, but guess what?...They still vote for him...

https://youtu.be/xXcLa6GbUjk


adhill58 - 8/1/2019 at 01:09 PM

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It is quite the tightrope walk to be so very concerned about how the monstrous Ihan Omar has offended Jewish people while explaining why nobody ever should be offended by what Trump does and says, even when he took days to half-heartedly say that he didn't agree with people with torches chanting, "Jews will not replace us."


They can not both be correct.


Are you agreeing that the "Omar=Bad, Trump=Good" argument holds no water?


Or: Omar=Good, Trump=Bad, holds just as little...



I agree with what you are saying as it pertains to problematic racist comments.

Here is the thing, she is 1/435 of the House (.0023%) and 1/535 of Congress overall (.0019%), while he is the president. Which is a bigger problem for our country?

The Trump camp is obviously not that bothered by Anti-Semitism (Omar's problem) as seen in Trump's fear of alienating the "Jews will not replace us" crowd. However, the conservative media "outrage machine" has its followers acting like she is the worst thing that ever happened to our country.

How does that work? She complains about Isreal and lobbyists while Trump says that Americans in Baltimore are basically subhuman. But for millions of people, she is bad and he is perfectly okay.

Sure, he has an "R" after his name while she has a "D", so maybe that is why they feel like this false outrage is justifiable. But it can't be denied that he is white and she is not. I know that I am bringing race into it (just like you would predict), but this is literally a question of millions of people saying that a black woman is a racist while the white man is "the least racist person who ever lived". Race was kind of the main point of the outrage from both sides.

The point I am trying to make is that if people wanted to make it unacceptable for someone who gets too close to anti-semitism like Ihan Omar to operate in our political system, they would have a lot better argument if they were able to call Trumps's racism what it is.



BrerRabbit - 8/1/2019 at 02:42 PM

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. . .this is literally a question of millions of people saying that a black woman is a racist while the white man is "the least racist person who ever lived"


I believe the correct phrase is "least racist person in the world."

Don't you know it is racist to call a racist a racist? Racism is part of their culture.

I understand racists, have even been friends with them. Had them over for dinner. Talk to them online. They are people too, just like you and me. I certainly wouldn't want my daughter to marry one though. Some cultural traits will only disappear by dying off.





[Edited on 8/1/2019 by BrerRabbit]


MartinD28 - 8/1/2019 at 03:18 PM

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It is quite the tightrope walk to be so very concerned about how the monstrous Ihan Omar has offended Jewish people while explaining why nobody ever should be offended by what Trump does and says, even when he took days to half-heartedly say that he didn't agree with people with torches chanting, "Jews will not replace us."


They can not both be correct.


Are you agreeing that the "Omar=Bad, Trump=Good" argument holds no water?


Or: Omar=Good, Trump=Bad, holds just as little...



I agree with what you are saying as it pertains to problematic racist comments.

Here is the thing, she is 1/435 of the House (.0023%) and 1/535 of Congress overall (.0019%), while he is the president. Which is a bigger problem for our country?

The Trump camp is obviously not that bothered by Anti-Semitism (Omar's problem) as seen in Trump's fear of alienating the "Jews will not replace us" crowd. However, the conservative media "outrage machine" has its followers acting like she is the worst thing that ever happened to our country.

How does that work? She complains about Isreal and lobbyists while Trump says that Americans in Baltimore are basically subhuman. But for millions of people, she is bad and he is perfectly okay.

Sure, he has an "R" after his name while she has a "D", so maybe that is why they feel like this false outrage is justifiable. But it can't be denied that he is white and she is not. I know that I am bringing race into it (just like you would predict), but this is literally a question of millions of people saying that a black woman is a racist while the white man is "the least racist person who ever lived". Race was kind of the main point of the outrage from both sides.

The point I am trying to make is that if people wanted to make it unacceptable for someone who gets too close to anti-semitism like Ihan Omar to operate in our political system, they would have a lot better argument if they were able to call Trumps's racism what it is.




For all the enablers across this country, in Congress, and on this site who claim Trump is not a racist, his own words and actions would dispute that. Trump's racists words have proliferated in recent years. There are many documented instances running through this week.


Trump has a long history of racist controversies
Here’s a breakdown of Trump’s history, taken largely from Dara Lind’s list for Vox and an op-ed by Nicholas Kristof in the New York Times:

1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to black tenants and lied to black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to discriminating before.

1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”

1988: In a commencement speech at Lehigh University, Trump spent much of his speech accusing countries like Japan of “stripping the United States of economic dignity.” This matches much of his current rhetoric on China.

1989: In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day lynching, four black teenagers and one Latino teenager — the “Central Park Five” — were accused of attacking and raping a jogger in New York City. Trump immediately took charge in the case, running an ad in local papers demanding, “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!” The teens’ convictions were later vacated after they spent seven to 13 years in prison, and the city paid $41 million in a settlement to the teens. But Trump in October 2016 said he still believes they’re guilty, despite the DNA evidence to the contrary.

1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump at first denied the remarks, but later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.

1993: In congressional testimony, Trump said that some Native American reservations operating casinos shouldn’t be allowed because “they don’t look like Indians to me.”

2000: In opposition to a casino proposed by the St. Regis Mohawk tribe, which he saw as a financial threat to his casinos in Atlantic City, Trump secretly ran a series of ads suggesting the tribe had a “record of criminal activity [that] is well documented.”

2004: In season two of The Apprentice, Trump fired Kevin Allen, a black contestant, for being overeducated. “You’re an unbelievably talented guy in terms of education, and you haven’t done anything,” Trump said on the show. “At some point you have to say, ‘That’s enough.’”

2005: Trump publicly pitched what was essentially The Apprentice: White People vs. Black People. He said he “wasn’t particularly happy” with the most recent season of his show, so he was considering “an idea that is fairly controversial — creating a team of successful African Americans versus a team of successful whites. Whether people like that idea or not, it is somewhat reflective of our very vicious world.”

2010: In 2010, there was a huge national controversy over the “Ground Zero Mosque” — a proposal to build a Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan, near the site of the 9/11 attacks. Trump opposed the project, calling it “insensitive,” and offered to buy out one of the investors in the project. On The Late Show With David Letterman, Trump argued, referring to Muslims, “Well, somebody’s blowing us up. Somebody’s blowing up buildings, and somebody’s doing lots of bad stuff.”

2011: Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first black president — was not born in the US. He even sent investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama’s birth certificate. Obama later released his birth certificate, calling Trump a ”carnival barker.” (The research has found a strong correlation between “birtherism,” as this conspiracy theory is called, and racism.) Trump has reportedly continued pushing this conspiracy theory in private.

2011: While Trump suggested that Obama wasn’t born in the US, he also argued that maybe Obama wasn’t a good enough student to have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law School, and demanded Obama release his university transcripts. Trump claimed, “I heard he was a terrible student. Terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?”

As a candidate and president, Trump has made many more racist comments
On top of all that history, Trump has repeatedly made racist — often explicitly so — remarks on the campaign trail and as president:

Trump launched his campaign in 2015 by calling Mexican immigrants “rapists” who are “bringing crime” and “bringing drugs” to the US. His campaign was largely built on building a wall to keep these immigrants out of the US.
As a candidate in 2015, Trump called for a ban on all Muslims coming into the US. His administration eventually implemented a significantly watered-down version of the policy.
When asked at a 2016 Republican debate whether all 1.6 billion Muslims hate the US, Trump said, “I mean a lot of them. I mean a lot of them.”
He argued in 2016 that Judge Gonzalo Curiel — who was overseeing the Trump University lawsuit — should recuse himself from the case because of his Mexican heritage and membership in a Latino lawyers association. House Speaker Paul Ryan, who endorsed Trump, later called such comments “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”
Trump has been repeatedly slow to condemn white supremacists who endorse him, and he regularly retweeted messages from white supremacists and neo-Nazis during his presidential campaign.
He tweeted and later deleted an image that showed Hillary Clinton in front of a pile of money and by a Jewish Star of David that said, “Most Corrupt Candidate Ever!” The tweet had some very obvious anti-Semitic imagery, but Trump insisted that the star was a sheriff’s badge, and said his campaign shouldn’t have deleted it.
Trump has repeatedly referred to Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) as “Pocahontas,” using her controversial — and later walked-back — claims to Native American heritage as a punchline.
At the 2016 Republican convention, Trump officially seized the mantle of the “law and order” candidate — an obvious dog whistle playing to white fears of black crime, even though crime in the US is historically low. His speeches, comments, and executive actions after he took office have continued this line of messaging.
In a pitch to black voters in 2016, Trump said, “You’re living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose?”
Trump stereotyped a black reporter at a press conference in February 2017. When April Ryan asked him if he plans to meet and work with the Congressional Black Caucus, he repeatedly asked her to set up the meeting — even as she insisted that she’s “just a reporter.”
In the week after white supremacist protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 2017, Trump repeatedly said that “many sides” and “both sides” were to blame for the violence and chaos that ensued — suggesting that the white supremacist protesters were morally equivalent to counterprotesters that stood against racism. He also said that there were “some very fine people” among the white supremacists. All of this seemed like a dog whistle to white supremacists — and many of them took it as one, with white nationalist Richard Spencer praising Trump for “defending the truth.”
Throughout 2017, Trump repeatedly attacked NFL players who, by kneeling or otherwise silently protesting during the national anthem, demonstrated against systemic racism in America.
Trump reportedly said in 2017 that people who came to the US from Haiti “all have AIDS,” and he lamented that people who came to the US from Nigeria would never “go back to their huts” once they saw America. The White House denied that Trump ever made these comments.
Speaking about immigration in a bipartisan meeting in January 2018, Trump reportedly asked, in reference to Haiti and African countries, “Why are we having all these people from **** hole countries come here?” He then reportedly suggested that the US should take more people from countries like Norway. The implication: Immigrants from predominantly white countries are good, while immigrants from predominantly black countries are bad.
Trump denied making the “shithole” comments, although some senators present at the meeting said they happened. The White House, meanwhile, suggested that the comments, like Trump’s remarks about the NFL protests, will play well to his base. The only connection between Trump’s remarks about the NFL protests and his “shithole” comments is race.
Trump mocked Elizabeth Warren’s presidential campaign, again calling her “Pocahontas” in a tweet before adding, “See you on the campaign TRAIL, Liz!” The capitalized “TRAIL” is seemingly a reference to the Trail of Tears — a horrific act of ethnic cleansing in the 19th century in which Native Americans were forcibly relocated, causing thousands of deaths.
Trump tweeted that several black and brown members of Congress — Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), Ilhan Omar (D-MN), and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) — are “from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe” and that they should “go back” to those countries. It’s a common racist trope to say that black and brown people, particularly immigrants, should go back to their countries of origin. Three of four of the members of Congress whom Trump targeted were born in the US.


BrerRabbit - 8/1/2019 at 03:53 PM

Thanks, had never seen all that. Should prove humorous to the folks who are loving every minute of it.


BrerRabbit - 8/1/2019 at 04:24 PM


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Considering the profile of most of the mass shooters in the past ten years


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What, that the majority are MINORS?



Most are 20s - 40s. Great data set here updated for 2019, Mother Jones:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-fu ll-data/


KCJimmy - 8/1/2019 at 09:58 PM

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It is quite the tightrope walk to be so very concerned about how the monstrous Ihan Omar has offended Jewish people while explaining why nobody ever should be offended by what Trump does and says, even when he took days to half-heartedly say that he didn't agree with people with torches chanting, "Jews will not replace us."


They can not both be correct.


Are you agreeing that the "Omar=Bad, Trump=Good" argument holds no water?
The point that has been made and a lot of you are dancing around is this: Trump makes critical comments about a congressman who happens to be black. Since everything he said was true the left HAD to call it racism. Omar is brought into this conversation, not because we hate her or we think she is really influential, but as a comparison. Her words really are racist. Yet the left ignores it because they agree with her. Trumps recent comments were labeled racist because they pissed a bunch of people off even though the statements were factual. The double standard is the point here, and its obvious. DO I NEED to explain it again?


BrerRabbit - 8/1/2019 at 10:46 PM

It's what happens when you lose credibility. He brought all this on himself, most likely deliberately. Racism has been a serious hot button issue my whole life, never seen any president draw this kind of fire. If it is a Dem vs Repub thing why didn't Nixon or Bushes or Reagan ever get called out on racism?

Trump started this whole show, and has drawn out the exact reactions he wants. He thrives on this bullsh*t.


[Edited on 8/1/2019 by BrerRabbit]


Bhawk - 8/1/2019 at 10:55 PM

The right can twist and turn and deflect and whatabout all they want.

Trumpism is White Nationalism.


BrerRabbit - 8/1/2019 at 11:05 PM

It is like the thief whom everyone thinks is stealing even though he might be planning on paying for stuff. Credibility vacuum. When you know someone is a racist, anything they say or do is suspect on that count.

Same thing for Omar, if she doesn't ease up she will end up set in stone as a racist same as Malcolm X was, doing real damage to the good aspects of their cause.



[Edited on 8/1/2019 by BrerRabbit]


MartinD28 - 8/1/2019 at 11:50 PM

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It's what happens when you lose credibility. He brought all this on himself, most likely deliberately. Racism has been a serious hot button issue my whole life, never seen any president draw this kind of fire. If it is a Dem vs Repub thing why didn't Nixon or Bushes or Reagan ever get called out on racism?

Trump started this whole show, and has drawn out the exact reactions he wants. He thrives on this bullsh*t.


[Edited on 8/1/2019 by BrerRabbit]


Spot on.

Further, it's as if those who claim Trump isn't a racist ignore his storied history. The Vox article is a chronology that details Trump and his many REPEATED acts and statements of racism. I'd like to see a rebuttal and denials to the many points in that article and see the usual enablers doing the Texas 2 Step. Instead it's much easier to attack women & men of color as easy targets.

Remember Trump on the Central Park 5. Remember Trump on Charlottesville. Remember many other examples.


BIGV - 8/2/2019 at 12:21 AM

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It's what happens when you lose credibility. He brought all this on himself, most likely deliberately. Racism has been a serious hot button issue my whole life, never seen any president draw this kind of fire. If it is a Dem vs Repub thing why didn't Nixon or Bushes or Reagan ever get called out on racism?

Trump started this whole show, and has drawn out the exact reactions he wants. He thrives on this bullsh*t.



Spot on.

Further, it's as if those who claim Trump isn't a racist ignore his storied history. The Vox article is a chronology that details Trump and his many REPEATED acts and statements of racism. I'd like to see a rebuttal and denials to the many points in that article and see the usual enablers doing the Texas 2 Step. Instead it's much easier to attack women & men of color as easy targets.

Remember Trump on the Central Park 5. Remember Trump on Charlottesville. Remember many other examples.


Yet another post that can't quite seem to communicate a point without these two words "Racist" & "Color"...

You guys are gonna sink holding onto this life jacket made of lead.


MartinD28 - 8/2/2019 at 12:39 AM

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It's what happens when you lose credibility. He brought all this on himself, most likely deliberately. Racism has been a serious hot button issue my whole life, never seen any president draw this kind of fire. If it is a Dem vs Repub thing why didn't Nixon or Bushes or Reagan ever get called out on racism?

Trump started this whole show, and has drawn out the exact reactions he wants. He thrives on this bullsh*t.



Spot on.

Further, it's as if those who claim Trump isn't a racist ignore his storied history. The Vox article is a chronology that details Trump and his many REPEATED acts and statements of racism. I'd like to see a rebuttal and denials to the many points in that article and see the usual enablers doing the Texas 2 Step. Instead it's much easier to attack women & men of color as easy targets.

Remember Trump on the Central Park 5. Remember Trump on Charlottesville. Remember many other examples.


Yet another post that can't quite seem to communicate a point without these two words "Racist" & "Color"...

You guys are gonna sink holding onto this life jacket made of lead.


Facts matter. Respond to the Vox article instead of pointing at posters on this site. Take on the authors of the article and the point by point depiction. Communicate to us why the Vox article points are not true and don't point to a pattern of racism. Show us why you are right and the author is wrong.


BIGV - 8/2/2019 at 12:48 AM

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Facts matter. Respond to the Vox article instead of pointing at posters on this site. Take on the authors of the article and the point by point depiction. Communicate to us why the Vox article points are not true and don't point to a pattern of racism. Show us why you are right and the author is wrong.


Here's the only point or fact that matters. You are bitter. Anything that fits your agenda, (in particular) anything spoken that can be questioned, must be racist.

I have never claimed to be "Right"....I just find your position to be "comical".

It's really sad.

What alternatives have you offered that don't depend on the screaming out of the phrase "Racist"?


MartinD28 - 8/2/2019 at 01:12 AM

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Facts matter. Respond to the Vox article instead of pointing at posters on this site. Take on the authors of the article and the point by point depiction. Communicate to us why the Vox article points are not true and don't point to a pattern of racism. Show us why you are right and the author is wrong.


Here's the only point or fact that matters. You are bitter. Anything that fits your agenda, (in particular) anything spoken that can be questioned, must be racist.

I have never claimed to be "Right"....I just find your position to be "comical".

It's really sad.

What alternatives have you offered that don't depend on the screaming out of the phrase "Racist"?


Are you a psychologist by trade? Doubtful.

When engaged you deflect, obfusicate, offer up doublespeak, and don't answer direct question. A few weeks back at least 2 other posters pointed out to you that all you want to do is argue. You can add me to those posters. I'm done trying to engage you in serious questions because you're looking to banter, and that's below my dignity. Soon you'll be an island unto yourself.


BIGV - 8/2/2019 at 01:48 AM

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Facts matter. Respond to the Vox article instead of pointing at posters on this site. Take on the authors of the article and the point by point depiction. Communicate to us why the Vox article points are not true and don't point to a pattern of racism. Show us why you are right and the author is wrong.


Here's the only point or fact that matters. You are bitter. Anything that fits your agenda, (in particular) anything spoken that can be questioned, must be racist.

I have never claimed to be "Right"....I just find your position to be "comical".

It's really sad.

What alternatives have you offered that don't depend on the screaming out of the phrase "Racist"?


Are you a psychologist by trade? Doubtful.

When engaged you deflect, obfusicate, offer up doublespeak, and don't answer direct question. A few weeks back at least 2 other posters pointed out to you that all you want to do is argue. You can add me to those posters. I'm done trying to engage you in serious questions because you're looking to banter, and that's below my dignity. Soon you'll be an island unto yourself.


Won't that just break my heart.

There is no use in dialogue, merely because we are on such opposite ends of the spectrum.

Let me ask you this question "Any chance of your seeing things from my point of view"?

I didn't think so. I am certainly not trying to change your mind.


BrerRabbit - 8/2/2019 at 02:30 AM

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Yet another post that can't quite seem to communicate a point without these two words "Racist" & "Color"...

You guys are gonna sink holding onto this life jacket made of lead.


Damn , and here I thought I was treading middle ground - even called out on Omar and Malcolm X .



brotherzepp - 8/2/2019 at 03:03 AM

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Let me ask you this question "Any chance of your seeing things from my point of view"?



You should ask yourself that before getting all self-righteous with others. That's the problem these days, nobody is open to other opinions. Watch some Fox news and the same amount of CNN, and you might realize that the truth is probably in the middle. There is no unbiased reporting.


BIGV - 8/2/2019 at 03:55 AM

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That's the problem these days, nobody is open to other opinions.


Oh, I am "open" to other opinions. I will listen and read. The problem is that most here on this site are to the left of Atilla and can not comprehend people not seeing things their way when they have presented facts, that in their minds, should not be questioned. Present and post away!...But that in itself guarantees not everyone will agree, just because the poster believes it to be the Gospel .... I profess to know no more than anyone else here politically, but be assured of this.... I think the far left of the Democratic Party has waaaay too much influence on people who are afraid to stand up say "This is nuts"!...and when people do, oh man are they shouted down. It's just not worth arguing about over the net and a keyboard...Meet for a beer or 5 and I will with an absolutely open mind listen and discuss anything, until someone loses their cool and tempers flare. Until then, I will continue to post opinions that more than likely will be met with smirks and discontent.....


BrerRabbit - 8/2/2019 at 07:56 AM

Flat out in your face racist agenda, Lindsay Graham quote from 2012, well it looks like they generated enough "angry white guys" to "stay in business" for a while. Not for the long term though, simple demographics.




cyclone88 - 8/2/2019 at 06:23 PM

Checking in & can't keep track of the point here. Is the issue that Trump is a racist? Is that a rhetorical question?

Of course, he is. As were Wilson, Eisenhower, Nixon, Johnson, and Reagan. The jury is out on Ford, but he was never elected. There are all those slave-owning presidents up through the Civil War & most of the white men who followed. Yalies GHW & GW Bush certainly didn't mix with any black guys in Skull & Bones & W's inaction re Katrina speaks for itself. Clinton sprang from racist soil in Arkansas. Obama is bi-racial & raised by a white mother & grandparents in Hawaii where racism by natives & Samoans against westerners is pretty strong.

Is there a point here? Whoever gets elected is going to be some kind of -ist to a certain population. We just have to choose which is the one we can stomach.

BTW, anyone interested in a fictional but pretty accurate portrayal of how Baltimore came to be a divided city should watch The Wire on Netflix mixing actors w/politicians & based on reporting at the time. I missed it when it was apparently a major network TV show.




BrerRabbit - 8/2/2019 at 06:59 PM

Excellent observations. Most people are racist. That is no reason to accept it, all dialogue and light shed helps keep it in check.

A more constructive approach is to ask what kind of racist are you? Self awareness of our own racist programming mitigates our racist impact and helps us avoid engaging in, supporting, turning a blind eye, or pretending the scourge of racism isn't as bad or a whole lot worse than it seems.

The most dangerous racists are the ones who can't see it in themselves and believe they are not racist at all.


KCJimmy - 8/2/2019 at 09:12 PM

Perfect Example here of the lefts overplay of the racism accusation:

Ellen Pompeo an actress I have never heard of (from Greys Anatomy if that matters) tweets this regarding Kamala Harris attacking Joe Biden - "Because she’s overconfident and believes he is her only competition"

Responses of course accused the actress of Racism. Here are 3:

1. "Black women are allowed only a certain amount of confidence. must always yield something to whatever white man is around"

2. “It's disappointing that you single out the black woman as 'overconfident' when she is actually defending her record against the frontrunner whose campaign has been solely fighting her, calling her 'slippery and slick' and other slurs. On that stage Biden was her only competition,”

3. "Let me be very clear this was racist'

Apparently nobody told Ellen Pompeo that criticizing a person of color is Racist.


BrerRabbit - 8/2/2019 at 10:06 PM

Case in point. The left is racist therefore the right's racism is justified, or better yet doesn't exist at all. This is how political polarization serves as a way for us to excuse and indulge our worst cultural habits.

Politics is a sin.


Skydog32103 - 8/4/2019 at 12:22 AM

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Ellen Pompeo an actress I have never heard of (from Greys Anatomy if that matters) tweets this regarding Kamala Harris attacking Joe Biden - "Because she’s overconfident and believes he is her only competition"

Responses of course accused the actress of Racism. Here are 3:

1. "Black women are allowed only a certain amount of confidence. must always yield something to whatever white man is around"

2. “It's disappointing that you single out the black woman as 'overconfident' when she is actually defending her record against the frontrunner whose campaign has been solely fighting her, calling her 'slippery and slick' and other slurs. On that stage Biden was her only competition,”

3. "Let me be very clear this was racist'


Why are you paying attention to what a few random people on Twitter said about some no-name celebrity?


[Edited on 8/4/2019 by Skydog32103]


adhill58 - 8/4/2019 at 07:41 PM

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It is quite the tightrope walk to be so very concerned about how the monstrous Ihan Omar has offended Jewish people while explaining why nobody ever should be offended by what Trump does and says, even when he took days to half-heartedly say that he didn't agree with people with torches chanting, "Jews will not replace us."


They can not both be correct.


Are you agreeing that the "Omar=Bad, Trump=Good" argument holds no water?
The point that has been made and a lot of you are dancing around is this: Trump makes critical comments about a congressman who happens to be black. Since everything he said was true the left HAD to call it racism. Omar is brought into this conversation, not because we hate her or we think she is really influential, but as a comparison. Her words really are racist. Yet the left ignores it because they agree with her. Trumps recent comments were labeled racist because they pissed a bunch of people off even though the statements were factual. The double standard is the point here, and its obvious. DO I NEED to explain it again?


Omar's "fear of white men" comments have crept over from your "really are racist" column to your "factual" column by at least three ticks just this week. Right?


Bhawk - 8/7/2019 at 08:41 PM

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That's the problem these days, nobody is open to other opinions.


Oh, I am "open" to other opinions. I will listen and read. The problem is that most here on this site are to the left of Atilla and can not comprehend people not seeing things their way when they have presented facts, that in their minds, should not be questioned. Present and post away!...But that in itself guarantees not everyone will agree, just because the poster believes it to be the Gospel .... I profess to know no more than anyone else here politically, but be assured of this.... I think the far left of the Democratic Party has waaaay too much influence on people who are afraid to stand up say "This is nuts"!...and when people do, oh man are they shouted down. It's just not worth arguing about over the net and a keyboard...Meet for a beer or 5 and I will with an absolutely open mind listen and discuss anything, until someone loses their cool and tempers flare. Until then, I will continue to post opinions that more than likely will be met with smirks and discontent.....


Huh. You're always right and everyone else is always wrong.

Well, I'll give you this, you're consistent.


Skydog32103 - 8/7/2019 at 09:08 PM

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until someone loses their cool and tempers flare. Until then, I will continue to post opinions that more than likely will be met with smirks and discontent.....


At least he’s open about his mission. I wonder if he even realizes he wrote that. I wonder if he needs help.


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