Thread: Opinions on the shut down?

nebish - 1/3/2019 at 04:01 AM

What I take from every shut down is frustration at the fact they have to pass continuing resolutions iat all. Do their damn job and get a budget, pass the appropriations and get it done by October 1st rather than all these CRs they are faced with. That is what makes me mad about the whole thing.


BrerRabbit - 1/3/2019 at 07:26 AM


It's blackmail.


2112 - 1/3/2019 at 07:54 AM

These shutdown really piss me off. There has to be a better way to do things, especially since congress has always offered back pay to affected workers, so no money is saved.

My dad passed away on December 21st, the first day of the shutdown. It has been really difficult to get everything that needs to get done accomplished. I took the day off work to take my mom around only to find the social security office closed and the VA short staffed. Luckily the VA cemetary was open, but only because during previous budgets they funded the VA for 2 years. Anyone who thinks these "non-essential" workers are not essential haven't had to deal with a death of a veteran during a shutdown (and holidays).

Oh, and the national parks are getting trashed (literally) during the shutdown. I hate for people to not be able to visit a national park on a long planned vacation because of a government shutdown, but you can't operate a park without restrooms, trash pickup (since people obviously don't have enough sense to take trash out with them), and rangers on patrol to keep idiots from vandalizing the place. These are essential workers.


BoytonBrother - 1/3/2019 at 02:18 PM

Sorry for your loss 2112. May his memory be a blessing.


MartinD28 - 1/3/2019 at 10:43 PM

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Sorry for your loss 2112. May his memory be a blessing.


X2

Yes - thoughts with you & your family.


StratDal - 1/4/2019 at 12:26 AM

My condolences 2112. May you and your loved ones find peace.


WaitinForRain - 1/4/2019 at 04:57 AM

Trump voters: I hope you get even more of what you asked for.
This is SO good for you!

have MORE!

bwahahaha.



BoytonBrother - 1/4/2019 at 01:56 PM

My opinion is that all politicians in Washington are legends in their own minds only, and enjoy having all eyes on them instead of an entertainer.


crazyjoe - 1/4/2019 at 03:59 PM

Why not leave it down for the next 2 years? Limit the damage this jerk and his disgusting criminal family, and both Republicans and Democrats could get to work saving and restoring values and respect to our nation. Why can't Congress and Senate do some kind of emergency action or something to arrange for any Federal workers still working to be paid? If It got vetoed by the "president ", that would be on him.... The Folks out of work, might just be casualties of Donald Dump''s way of doing business.........Peace........joe


BrerRabbit - 1/4/2019 at 04:01 PM

Sorry to hear your dad died 2112. plus Insult to injury dealing with the failed bureaucracy.


crazyjoe - 1/4/2019 at 04:06 PM

Indeed Much Peace to You and Your Family 2112, I don't understand life, probably best that way........joe


2112 - 1/4/2019 at 09:34 PM

Thanks for the kind words everyone, although I didn't mean for my experience to hijack this thread. I just wanted to share that this little game between the president and congress has more consequences than many people realize.


StratDal - 1/4/2019 at 11:24 PM

It's never a good idea to shut the government down for any reason.


MartinD28 - 1/4/2019 at 11:54 PM

"Trump Claims Most Furloughed Federal Workers Are Rooting For Him On Wall Funding"

Let's get real. He makes this $hit up at a podium with no evidence to support his statements. I'd be curious of those who are not getting paid are buying into his rhetoric. So...someone can go w/out their paycheck & agree with Trump for who knows how long only to support a wall that Mexico is supposed to pay for. Makes perfectly good sense and logical...right? Only in the world of Trump's little mind.

Trump is now saying he could shutdown for years. Yes, Donald. We believe everything you say.

In the meantime his cabinet members are slated for $10,000 raises.


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-shutdown-furloughed-workers_us_5 c2fc50ce4b0bcb4c25bab28


OriginalGoober - 1/5/2019 at 01:07 AM

If you pulled 100 Americans 80% would approve of national security investments. 30% like Trump. Right now politics matters more.


StratDal - 1/5/2019 at 01:17 AM

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If you pulled 100 Americans 80% would approve of national security investments. 30% like Trump. Right now politics matters more.


"Pulled" and "100 Americans"? Yep. You truly epitomize our president's base supporters.

Some advice OG. "A smart person knows what to say. A wise person knows when to say it."


StratDal - 1/5/2019 at 01:25 AM

Wasn't Mexico supposed to pay for the wall?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/04/politics/trump-border-wall-national-emergenc y-declaration/index.html


MartinD28 - 1/5/2019 at 01:50 AM

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If you pulled 100 Americans 80% would approve of national security investments. 30% like Trump. Right now politics matters more.


"pulled" vs "polled" but we get the gist.

Curious why you used the term "national security investments"? Most people don't have a problem with that. But what you're referring to & what Trump insists upon are two different things. Why didn't you use use the word "wall"? That would be too easy, right? Because if you follow polls, you would know that the American people don't want a wall.

But we get it. President Limbaugh & VP Coulter insist upon that beautiful wall even though lackey Trump had previously agreed to a budget deal before the real prez & vice prez scared little Don.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-americans-support-border-wall_us _5c2e9aaae4b05c88b70798d1


OriginalGoober - 1/5/2019 at 02:23 AM


Immigration reform should of happened decades ago. Trump understands this. Its time to get a deal once and for all for our own good. Both sides will need to compromise but the wall will be erected where its needed as its a matter of national security. Hoping some bad guys wont cross is the democrats plan. Someone smart said hope is not a strategy.




2112 - 1/5/2019 at 03:28 AM

National security investments and a wall are two completely different things. Not sure what your point is?


nebish - 1/5/2019 at 06:06 PM

I do think that immigration policy can be placed among national security. National security doesn't only deal with threats and challenges abroad, it also can cover negative and damaging aspects of illegal immigration.

I think Trump isn't drawing the parallel very well and it is clear he is trying to appeal and convince more people why the wall is needed, which as this point it is such a lightening rod even those who do not follow politics likely have an opinion on it.

My position, as it always has been, is more physical barriers where DHS and ICE say they are needed should be put in place adding more hurdles and difficulty to those trying to enter illegally. Trump has his position, I have mine. They are similar, but not the same. I would've been happy had they followed the Secure Fence Act of 2006 as originally passed.

And, no hijack seen 2112. I hope you and your family are doing as well as you can given the circumstances. Check your PMs.


OriginalGoober - 1/5/2019 at 08:34 PM

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National security investments and a wall are two completely different things. Not sure what your point is?


The wall resistance is more of a liberal idea that a big scary wall will clash with the American concept living in a liberals head. They dont like the wall similar to not liking an assult rifle. The image is scary bad for them.


gina - 1/5/2019 at 09:03 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-threatens-shutdown-of-%E2%80% 98months-or-even-years%E2%80%99-over-border-wall-says-he-could-declare-nati onal-emergency-to-get-it-built/ar-BBROqDg?li=BBnb7Kz


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/millions-face-delayed-tax-refunds-cuts-to -food-stamps-as-white-house-scrambles-to-deal-with-shutdown%E2%80%99s-conse quences/ar-BBROykA?li


https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/424022-pence-white-house-offici als-meet-congressional-staffers-amid-effort


Comments:

1) Months, years of shutdown will impact the 880,000 federal workers who will not be paid till the shutdown ends. Many will not be able to meet rent/mortgage, car loan and other obligations They can become poor, homeless and hungry. Think of a TSA worker becoming poor, homeless and hungry. if you think the abuse at the airport is bad, imagine them marching on Washington to get their retro-active pay.

2) Tax refunds will be delayed. Imagine millions of people who need that money like teachers who only get paid for 10 months per year and use their tax refunds to pay their bills for the other two months.

3) Deep cuts to food stamps. How many millions of people are poor enough and collecting? Imaging millions of hungry people. After about a week of NO food, they will be angry. Week two they will be organized, and guess where they will be heading by week 3 after they have looted some stores to get food. On busses to Washington? I think so. Who will pay for that? The same people who helped pay for the busses for that caravan of Central Americans, I'll just say democratic sympathizers, that way I am not accusing a political party.

4) Who else is effected by the shutdown, look at the agencies. NASA, HUD (Section 8 payments), etc. and no new social security claims will be processed. So people waiting years to get that check, will have to wait longer. How happy will they be?

Opinions on the shut down?

1. It must end soon.

2. The Wall? It must be built, can we borrow money from Russia or Saudi Arabia to pay for it? They both have money and are allies to us. WHY NOT? Saudi could build some luxury resorts on OUR side of the wall as an incentive to them to help.

3. Labor - manpower to build the wall.

a) early work release for prisoners who are in prison on non violent offenses, let them do some time building the wall, and live in man-cave tents/trailers set up for the workers.

b) volunteer army corp of engineer workers.

c) volunteer any ex military who want to help out.

d) any unemployed people who would like a paycheck , they too can live in tents and/or trailers. Those with wives, children could have their wives and kids stay in a trailer with them. I know you are thinking what about sewage from these remote locations. The army corp of engineers can set up some solar powered wells for water and cesspool functions.


Trump has always said THINK BIG. If we don't this country can quickly become a third world country.





[Edited on 1/5/2019 by gina]


nebish - 1/6/2019 at 04:03 PM

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2. The Wall? It must be built, can we borrow money from Russia or Saudi Arabia to pay for it? They both have money and are allies to us. WHY NOT? Saudi could build some luxury resorts on OUR side of the wall as an incentive to them to help.


Sometimes I think you are totally oblivious to what your statements sound like to others!

First of all, we have a borrowing problem already, more is not the answer! Second of all, the two countries you named aren't exactly viewed in the best of light right now, so the US becoming more aligned, or indebted to those countries wouldn't go over well with just about everyone. Bad suggestion.

Nobody can escape what Trump said hundreds of times (or more?) that Mexico was going to pay for it. USMCA has no direct mechanism to pay for the wall as Trump is asserting, and it hasn't been passed yet. If Trump wants to try and make that case, he is not connecting the dots at all - because it would be impossible to actually show or prove where USMCA money (savings or taxes or whatever) are directly going towards the wall in the vein of Mexico paying for it.

I have long supported additional barriers and have a different idea on what or how more border security can be done than Trump does. So I never felt connected to his wall claim and never believed or understood how he could explain Mexico would pay for it. It worked at campaign rallies by someone who didn't expect to get elected. When the rubber meets the road it goes nowhere.

So all these attempts at how the wall can be funded in the shadow of Mexico is supposed to be paying for it easily falls on deaf ears and allows his opponents to continually ask "why isn't Mexico paying for it?"


nebish - 1/6/2019 at 04:07 PM

We will find out Monday, but I hope the people that got together over the weekend can find a way forward. Trump saying he could keep the government shut down months or years is quite reckless. He needs to compromise and the Democrats should compromise. That is how things are supposed to work. Trump just doesn't get how it works yet (2 years in). Both sides lose a little face, get a little what you want and move on to the next issue(s).


Muleman1994 - 1/6/2019 at 07:41 PM

The assaults, robberies, rapes and murders of American citizens by illegal alien criminals in addition to the free flow of deadly drugs, far outweighs this current minor shutdown.

The wall will be built.


gina - 1/6/2019 at 07:53 PM

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quote:
2. The Wall? It must be built, can we borrow money from Russia or Saudi Arabia to pay for it? They both have money and are allies to us. WHY NOT? Saudi could build some luxury resorts on OUR side of the wall as an incentive to them to help.


Sometimes I think you are totally oblivious to what your statements sound like to others!

First of all, we have a borrowing problem already, more is not the answer! Second of all, the two countries you named aren't exactly viewed in the best of light right now, so the US becoming more aligned, or indebted to those countries wouldn't go over well with just about everyone. Bad suggestion.


Nobody can escape what Trump said hundreds of times (or more?) that Mexico was going to pay for it. USMCA has no direct mechanism to pay for the wall as Trump is asserting, and it hasn't been passed yet. If Trump wants to try and make that case, he is not connecting the dots at all - because it would be impossible to actually show or prove where USMCA money (savings or taxes or whatever) are directly going towards the wall in the vein of Mexico paying for it.

I have long supported additional barriers and have a different idea on what or how more border security can be done than Trump does. So I never felt connected to his wall claim and never believed or understood how he could explain Mexico would pay for it. It worked at campaign rallies by someone who didn't expect to get elected. When the rubber meets the road it goes nowhere.

So all these attempts at how the wall can be funded in the shadow of Mexico is supposed to be paying for it easily falls on deaf ears and allows his opponents to continually ask "why isn't Mexico paying for it?"




Yes we do have a borrowing problem and since all we can do in regard to the debt we owe China is make payments on the interest, we need to look at other big financiers who could help. We cannot balance our budget at this time, everybody knows that. I just found out recently that there is no money in the social security trust fund, it is backed by US Treasury notes, but there is no gold or cash to back the fund up.

Saudi has tons of money. They help us out with oil, and in return we provide security for their country, doing major arms deals with them. We even overlooked the consensus that Prince Salman was allegedly involved in the murder of a US journalist. (Jamal Kashoggi) and they are strategic partners with us. There is no reason we could not secure 5 Billion from them.


As to Russia, we are on good footing with them. Others tried and still do, to taint the good-will relationship we have with them. Putin is a good, fair, moral man and would consider helping us out. They are a world power who has money, why can't we do a deal with them?

Indonesia also has tons of money, we need to look at nations that have money to invest, and get some from them.

If Mexico will not pay for it, then we need to look at other sources because most agree that the wall is needed for border security and national security.



[Edited on 1/6/2019 by gina]


2112 - 1/6/2019 at 08:00 PM

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quote:
quote:
2. The Wall? It must be built, can we borrow money from Russia or Saudi Arabia to pay for it? They both have money and are allies to us. WHY NOT? Saudi could build some luxury resorts on OUR side of the wall as an incentive to them to help.


Sometimes I think you are totally oblivious to what your statements sound like to others!

First of all, we have a borrowing problem already, more is not the answer! Second of all, the two countries you named aren't exactly viewed in the best of light right now, so the US becoming more aligned, or indebted to those countries wouldn't go over well with just about everyone. Bad suggestion.


Nobody can escape what Trump said hundreds of times (or more?) that Mexico was going to pay for it. USMCA has no direct mechanism to pay for the wall as Trump is asserting, and it hasn't been passed yet. If Trump wants to try and make that case, he is not connecting the dots at all - because it would be impossible to actually show or prove where USMCA money (savings or taxes or whatever) are directly going towards the wall in the vein of Mexico paying for it.

I have long supported additional barriers and have a different idea on what or how more border security can be done than Trump does. So I never felt connected to his wall claim and never believed or understood how he could explain Mexico would pay for it. It worked at campaign rallies by someone who didn't expect to get elected. When the rubber meets the road it goes nowhere.

So all these attempts at how the wall can be funded in the shadow of Mexico is supposed to be paying for it easily falls on deaf ears and allows his opponents to continually ask "why isn't Mexico paying for it?"




Yes we do have a borrowing problem and since all we can do in regard to the debt we owe China is make payments on the interest, we need to look at other big financiers who could help. We cannot balance our budget at this time, everybody knows that. I just found out recently that there is no money in the social security trust fund, it is backed by US Treasury notes, but there is no gold or cash to back the fund up.

Saudi has tons of money. They help us out with oil, and in return we provide security for their country, doing major arms deals with them. We even overlooked the consensus that Prince Salman was allegedly involved in the murder of a US journalist. (Jamal Kashoggi) and they are strategic partners with us. There is no reason we could not secure 5 Billion from them.


As to Russia, we are on good footing with them. Others tried and still do, to taint the good-will relationship we have with them. Putin is a good, fair, moral man and would consider helping us out. They are a world power who has money, why can't we do a deal with them?

Indonesia also has tons of money, we need to look at nations that have money to invest, and get some from them.

If Mexico will not pay for it, then we need to look at other sources because most agree that the wall is needed for border security and national security.



[Edited on 1/6/2019 by gina]


Wow, did I miss that it was opposite day today or something?


Muleman1994 - 1/6/2019 at 08:24 PM

Obama supported border security:

“'We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked...'” Barrack Obama, 2005"

Obama's full quote at the time: "We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States, undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country."

"We all agree on the need to better secure the border and to punish employers who choose to hire illegal immigrants," Obama added. "We are a generous and welcoming people, here in the United States, but those who enter the country illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law."

Obama went on to advocate for imposing a "hefty fine" on those already in the country illegally, as well as tighter border security measures.

BTW – Obama has a wall around his mansion in DC.


Hillary supported border security:

At a campaign stop in November 2015, Clinton told a crowd: "I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders."


Schumer supported border security:

Here's what he said in 2009:

"The first of these seven principles is that illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple," Schumer said. "When we use phrases like 'undocumented workers,' we convey a message to the American people that their government is not serious about combating illegal immigration, which the American people overwhelmingly oppose."

"People who enter the United States without our permission are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens should not be treated the same as people who entered the United States legally," Schumer continued. "Any immigration solution must recognize that we must do as much as we can to gain operational control of our borders as soon as possible."


Pelosi has a wall around her home in California.


2112 - 1/6/2019 at 09:03 PM

There you go making it sound like the only way to keep illegals out is using a wall. That is nonsense.

Oh, and Obama does not have a wall around his house (other than a small privacy wall around a patio). Take a look at this photo from the street.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-compares-border-wall-wa ll-around-obama-home-n953166


2112 - 1/6/2019 at 09:08 PM

And there isn't a wall around Nancy Pelosi's house either:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/is-this-a-wall-around-nancy-pelosis-home/


Muleman1994 - 1/6/2019 at 09:25 PM

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There you go making it sound like the only way to keep illegals out is using a wall. That is nonsense.

Oh, and Obama does not have a wall around his house (other than a small privacy wall around a patio). Take a look at this photo from the street.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-compares-border-wall-wa ll-around-obama-home-n953166



Wrong again son.

If you had read the article, which uses an old picture:

TMZ first reported in 2017 that the couple was building a fence-like wall and published photos showing what appeared to be the construction of a few brick columns. The project has since been completed.

The wall around Obama's mansion is now completed.


gina - 1/7/2019 at 02:08 AM

Trump went to Camp David. It is believed that he will declare a National Emergency within days. Most of you who have been around here long enough know the powers a President has when a National Emergency is granted.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/06/donald-trump-government-shu tdown-border-wall-concrete-steel

part of why not getting the wall built is a national emergency.

We are working hard at the Border, but we need a WALL! In 2018, 1.7 million pounds of narcotics seized, 17,000 adults arrested with criminal records, and 6000 gang members, including MS-13, apprehended. A big Human Trafficking problem.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1081570073867927557


Potential new wall:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1076239448461987841/photo/1


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/07/trump-government-shutdown-b order-wall-democrats


Others have reported if there is a National Emergency and no budget deal, the food stamp cuts go into effect for February.

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BrerRabbit - 1/7/2019 at 02:59 AM

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It is believed that he will declare a National Emergency within days. Most of you who have been around here long enough know the powers a President has when a National Emergency is granted.


Fine - let him try. Flaunting the Constitution. Criminal abuse of power. He will be impeached for sure if he pulls a stunt like that.


2112 - 1/7/2019 at 09:35 AM

I've got an idea on a compromise to get the government open. How about Congress match the money we get from Mexico for the wall at a rate of $10 US taxpayer dollars for every peso Trump can get from Mexico using his incredible negotiation skills. Seems fair. All he has to do is get Mexico to pay for 1% of the wall. Surely a great negotiator can do that, right?


BoytonBrother - 1/7/2019 at 03:54 PM

quote:
Obama supported border security:


Wrong son. Obama never cared about border security, as evidenced by his failed policies. Prove this nonsensical statement with one quote, I dare you to find one, you can’t, haha, I win.

quote:
“'We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked...'” Barrack Obama, 2005"


Bullcrap. This is taken out of context. Nice try troll! Got the full quote genius? If you are trying to prove that Obama understood the significance of LEGAL entry, then prove it with a quote or buzz off!

quote:
Obama's full quote at the time: "We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States, undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country."


Ok fine, you convinced me. Obama was right all along.


BoytonBrother - 1/7/2019 at 03:57 PM

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Hillary supported border security:


Don’t let Goober see you complimenting Hillary Clinton on policy. He’ll be very hurt and angry!


gina - 1/7/2019 at 05:29 PM

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quote:
It is believed that he will declare a National Emergency within days. Most of you who have been around here long enough know the powers a President has when a National Emergency is granted.


Fine - let him try. Flaunting the Constitution. Criminal abuse of power. He will be impeached for sure if he pulls a stunt like that.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1631

50 U.S. Code § 1631 - Declaration of national emergency by Executive order; authority; publication in Federal Register; transmittal to Congress

When the President declares a national emergency, no powers or authorities made available by statute for use in the event of an emergency shall be exercised unless and until the President specifies the provisions of law under which he proposes that he, or other officers will act. Such specification may be made either in the declaration of a national emergency, or by one or more contemporaneous or subsequent Executive orders published in the Federal Register and transmitted to the Congress.

(Pub. L. 94–412, title III, § 301, Sept. 14, 1976, 90 Stat. 1257.)





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gina - 1/7/2019 at 05:35 PM

What can he actually do once a National Emergency has been declared?

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/emergency-powers


AND he can take on the Deep State too.
https://www.exopolitics.org/trump-executive-order-targets-deep-state-opens- door-to-full-disclosure/


http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/laworder.htm
Pick your emergency, they have plans for any and all, and EVERYTHING would be under the President's control.


While the current emergency is the border and lack of adequate security, if we are already in a State of National Emergency and anything else happens, he is totally in charge of everything, and guess what, after those elections in Israel, when the Peace Plan is released, there may very well be more emergencies because Muslims in the Middle East will not be welcoming the building of a new temple on Temple Mount. It can lead to war.
I have been telling you about the times we are living in and that the times of the Tribulation are going to happen, that is one of the things that can cause the beginning of it. So yes the idea of creating a state of National Emergency is quite serious.





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gina - 1/7/2019 at 06:01 PM

On February 16, 1962, President John Kennedy signed several Executive Orders which would allegedly give certain dictatorial powers to appointed bureaucrats in the event a "National Emergency" should be declared by the President — whichever president is sitting in office at the designated time. At the president's discretion "in any time of increased international tension or economic or financial crisis", the E.O.'s could theoretically be enacted.

These E.O.'s signed by Kennedy would give authority to the Federal Emergency Management Agency to control: communications, energy, food, fuel, farms, transportation, highways, railroads, inland waterways and seaports, health, education and welfare, drafts citizens into work forces under government supervision; relocation of populations, designates areas to be abandoned as 'unsafe'; relocates communities, and controls all public storage facilities.

On February 27, 1962 Kennedy signed E.O. 11051 designating FEMA as the authorized agency to implement the above orders, and which authority can be re-designated by the original authority. President Nixon signed E.O. 11490 combining all the above to be enacted in one fell swoop; on July 20, 1979 Carter added a few minor amendments to them; and, in June, 1994 then president Bill Clinton signed E.O. 12919, which appears to encompass all of the E.O.'s.

We have found no Executive Orders that would nullify any of the above, so it appears they are all considered to be on the books at the time of this posting.

Given there is no Constitutional authority for any president to declare a "National Emergency," we have wondered how the orchestraters of this plan expected to successfully execute the E.O.'s. The plan for total control of every aspect of our lives has been under construction for a long time. As you read these executive orders, bear in mind that they mean nothing by themselves. They are not law, nor can they become law by and of themselves.

However, under legislation that is currently pending in most (if not all) states, they could potentially take on significant meaning. The Emergency Health Powers legislation, pending in state capitols all across America — if passed — would give the governor the power to declare a state of health emergency by executive order. He then would be able to hand the reigns of power to whomever he chooses — including the state's emergency management agency, which could essentially act as an arm of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Apart from — and sometimes combined with — these Emergency Health Powers Acts are varying forms of "anti-terror" bills that are virtually redefining the words "terror," "terrorism," and "terrorist." States are busy right now, creating their own versions of the federal Office of Homeland Security. These state offices will oversee the process and details of the implementation of these orders. That is why it is so critical to get the legislation stopped in the states. For more information, or to read the bills we've compiled, go to the War on Americans is in the States section of this website.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/eo/femalist.htm

And now, the list:

Executive Order #10995: Seizure of all communications media in the United States.


Executive Order #10997: Seizure of all electric power fuels and minerals, public and private.


Executive Order #10999: Seizure of all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control of highways, seaports and waterways.


Executive Order #11000: Seizure of all American people for work forces under federal supervision including the splitting of families if the government finds it necessary.


Executive Order #11001: Seizure of all health, education and welfare facilities, public and private.


Executive Order #11002: Empowered the postmaster general to register all men, women and children in the U.S.


Executive Order #11003: Seizure of all airports and aircraft.


Executive Order #11004: Seizure of all housing and finance authorities to establish Forced Relocation Designated areas to be abandoned as "unsafe."


Executive Order #11005: Seizure of all railroads, inland waterways and storage facilities, public and private.


Executive Order #12919: Signs June 3, 1994, by President Clinton. Encompasses all the above executive orders.







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gina - 1/7/2019 at 06:03 PM

For those who do not think it is a big deal.

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-donald-trump-is-still-setting-up-c oncentration-camps-on-american-soil-1.6197513

When news came in recent days of the U.S. separating parents from children at the border and holding minors in a dedicated tent city in Texas, the phrase "concentration camp" began to appear in descriptions of the new facility.
Andrea Pitzer
@andreapitzer
Yes, of course they're concentration camps. They aren't the unique subset of death camps that were invented by the Nazis for genocide, or even Arctic Gulag camps built for hard labor. But they're camps created to punish a whole class of civilians via mass detention without trial.


REMARKS: "a whole class of civilians mass detention without trial".

What should be done with those who cross the border illegally is simply send them back, not detain anyone in a camp of any sort.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/opinion/american-internment-camps.html


FURTHER REMARKS: And these are not the camps designed to hold rowdy Americans in a time of national unrest, the ones for us are like giant prison camps, one way in and no way out.

https://info.publicintelligence.net/USArmy-InternmentResettlement.pdf



[Edited on 1/7/2019 by gina]

[Edited on 1/7/2019 by gina]


gina - 1/7/2019 at 06:20 PM

The Civilian Internment Camps FEMA


https://info.publicintelligence.net/USArmy-InternmentResettlement.pdf

"Additionally, FM 3-39.40 discusses the critical issue of detainee rehabilitation. It describes the doctrinal
foundation, principles, and processes that military police and other elements will employ when dealing with I/R
populations. As part of internment, these populations include U.S. military prisoners, and multiple categories of
detainees (civilian internees [CIs], retained personnel [RP], and enemy "


REMARKS: these are the camps designed to hold prisoners and/or rowdy Americans in a time of national unrest, the ones for us are like giant prison camps, one way in and no way out. Sure they wrote it for prisoners from other countries, but do you think they would not use it in people here in a "national emergency" of civil unrest. They practiced those Jade Helm exercises specifically for that purpose.

For those who think it is just conspiracy theory, it is NOT.

President Regan signed Presidential Director Number 54 in April of 1984 that allowed FEMA to activate a secret national readiness exercise. This exercise was given the code name REX 84. The purpose of the exercise was to test FEMA's ability to assume military authority. REX 84 was so highly guarded that special metal doors were installed on the fifth floor of the FEMA building in Washington, D.C. The only people that were allowed to enter the premises were ones who had a red Christian cross on their shirt. The exercise required the following.....

Suspension of the Constitution of the United States

Turning control of the government over to FEMA

Appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments

Declaration of Martial Law

There over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States.

The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a mass exodus of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention lefts by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons. They can also be used for domestic disturbances, putting US citizens in there if massive civil unrest breaks out. The camps are already there.

Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government.

People who were effected by the Hurricanes were taken to camps.
https://ktvl.com/news/local/sen-merkley-and-internment-camp-survivor-warn-a bout-history-repeating-itself



REMARKS: That's it, I am done for today and NO I am not saying Trump plans to put us in concentration camps, but I want you to be aware that these camps DO exist, and the Executive Orders granting him the power to do that in civil unrest exist. They existed under Obama, Bush, Clinton, and the others. All I am saying is be aware of prophecy, be aware of political things going on worldwide.


[Edited on 1/7/2019 by gina]


BoytonBrother - 1/7/2019 at 08:08 PM

Let Trump throw his tantrums and declare emergency. It will satisfy his base, but create tensions within his own administration and among the military who will be executing the order. Let him serve his base until he’s gone if that’s what he wants. It will also alienate Republicans in Washington who are currently on his side. Keep it up Don!


JimSheridan - 1/7/2019 at 08:28 PM

Original Goober wrote: "The wall resistance is more of a liberal idea that a big scary wall will clash with the American concept living in a liberals head."

That is an emotional response rather than a factual one. Here are some facts:

1. Our own officials report that most drugs enter our country through our legal points of entry. Thus, a wall will not solve the problem.

2. Stats show that most illegal aliens are people who have overstayed their visas. Thus a wall will not solve the problem.

There are plenty of obvious other considerations:

Do you want to invoke Eminent Domain to take private citizens' land away as needed for the wall?
Have you considered the environmental impact presented by the wall?
Do you understand that all walls require expensive maintenance?
Are you aware of the ways that modern technology has allowed walls or other boundaries to be subverted? It was not too long ago that incredibly advanced tunnels from Mexico to the US were discovered, for example.

To say that "Anyone who does not want a wall does not want border security" is absurd; it is like saying "Anyone who does not own a horse and carriage does not want to travel." We live in 2019, and technology offers plenty of alternatives that would be more effective and less expensive.

Look at the stats for deportations under Obama. Clearly his administration was taking steps to combat the illegals' presence here. Meanwhile, we also know that there have been illegals working at Trump's places.

I know memes offer tidbits of info that are easy talking points, but plenty of people who do their homework know that a wall is not a panacea.


BoytonBrother - 1/7/2019 at 08:39 PM

Great post JimSheridan, but Goober doesn’t engage. He posts and runs.


BoytonBrother - 1/7/2019 at 08:42 PM

quote:
The wall resistance is more of a liberal idea that a big scary wall will clash with the American concept living in a liberals head.


Secondly, just to point out how silly this is.....why would liberals see it as scary if they aren’t afraid of the problem?


nebish - 1/8/2019 at 02:48 PM

quote:
Original Goober wrote: "The wall resistance is more of a liberal idea that a big scary wall will clash with the American concept living in a liberals head."

That is an emotional response rather than a factual one. Here are some facts:

1. Our own officials report that most drugs enter our country through our legal points of entry. Thus, a wall will not solve the problem.

2. Stats show that most illegal aliens are people who have overstayed their visas. Thus a wall will not solve the problem.

There are plenty of obvious other considerations:

Do you want to invoke Eminent Domain to take private citizens' land away as needed for the wall?
Have you considered the environmental impact presented by the wall?
Do you understand that all walls require expensive maintenance?
Are you aware of the ways that modern technology has allowed walls or other boundaries to be subverted? It was not too long ago that incredibly advanced tunnels from Mexico to the US were discovered, for example.

To say that "Anyone who does not want a wall does not want border security" is absurd; it is like saying "Anyone who does not own a horse and carriage does not want to travel." We live in 2019, and technology offers plenty of alternatives that would be more effective and less expensive.

Look at the stats for deportations under Obama. Clearly his administration was taking steps to combat the illegals' presence here. Meanwhile, we also know that there have been illegals working at Trump's places.

I know memes offer tidbits of info that are easy talking points, but plenty of people who do their homework know that a wall is not a panacea.


Hopefully my points of view will never be confused with Goobers, but since I support more wall, or fence, barrier, whatever on the Mexican border I'd like to respond since I assume he will not.

If just a portion of the drugs come across the border between legal points of entry, maybe 20%, that is still a portion that can be restricted or reduced. Thereby making them move more through legal ports, potentially increasing the chance of capture, or making it more difficult on the movement of the drugs to circumvent where the additional barrier is.

I agree, visa overstays is a very large contributor to the illegal immigration problem. Just because a wall doesn't address that, doesn't mean that a wall keeping other illegal aliens from crossing isn't needed also. FY2019 numbers for October and November show that Southern Border Patrol apprehensions were over 51,000 each month. A total of 396,579 were apprehended in FY2018. And how many do they catch, half?

That is a problem and a problem that needs addressed further. I am fine if we do that with additional personnel, detention facilities, technology and yes barriers. They all play a role. A wall should not be built across the entire border, a wall doesn't need build everywhere. But where physical barriers make sense, they should be built and they should be difficult for anyone to try and navigate over, through or under.

Tunnels? We eventually find tunnels. But an example that we have made it harder for them to come. They have to dig tunnels and the work and time it takes to do that. Good, harder for them, takes them longer that is good.

I do not have much concern about environmental impact of additional construction at the border.

Eminent Domain is an issue, but it will have to be dealt with just like any other state or federal project deals with it. There is a procedure.

Maintenance = a maintenance job for someone.

Modern tech is great, and advancing. I like it. It all can and should work together to achieve the ultimate end goal, reducing as many illegal border crossings as possible. It will never get to zero, where there is a will there is a way, but I surely would hope we can substantially cut it from the 50,xxx a month we have seen recently.

Illegal immigration is a national emergency. But the entire issue is the emergency. The VISA overstays, the lack or serious punishment for employers who hire, the lack of e-verity, the 11-22 million illegals that are here (Yale 2018 study said 22million, most have it lower), the identity theft, the financial burden of educating and medical costs.

I do not know if the President is going to declare a national emergency. What I do know, is that it should not be done just to build a wall, but this issue, overall, is indeed a national emergency.


Bhawk - 1/8/2019 at 04:04 PM

quote:
Illegal immigration is a national emergency. But the entire issue is the emergency. The VISA overstays, the lack or serious punishment for employers who hire, the lack of e-verity, the 11-22 million illegals that are here (Yale 2018 study said 22million, most have it lower), the identity theft, the financial burden of educating and medical costs.

I do not know if the President is going to declare a national emergency. What I do know, is that it should not be done just to build a wall, but this issue, overall, is indeed a national emergency.


Whether there is or isn't, the only thing being discussed IS a wall, so...

You mention holding Americans accountable, such as penalties for hiring illegals. Does that apply to employers, like, oh, Mar-A-Lago?


nebish - 1/8/2019 at 04:25 PM

quote:
quote:
Illegal immigration is a national emergency. But the entire issue is the emergency. The VISA overstays, the lack or serious punishment for employers who hire, the lack of e-verity, the 11-22 million illegals that are here (Yale 2018 study said 22million, most have it lower), the identity theft, the financial burden of educating and medical costs.

I do not know if the President is going to declare a national emergency. What I do know, is that it should not be done just to build a wall, but this issue, overall, is indeed a national emergency.


Whether there is or isn't, the only thing being discussed IS a wall, so...

You mention holding Americans accountable, such as penalties for hiring illegals. Does that apply to employers, like, oh, Mar-A-Lago?




I absolutely would support felony charges with mandatory jail time for repeat employers who hire illegal aliens without proper work visas.

I think national emergency is a bit much actually. It is a crisis. Lots of crisis around. If he declares a national emergency for wall construction I would not support that even though I do support devoting more resources to border security. The overall issue needs reformed, which is hard to see happening at this point.


BoytonBrother - 1/8/2019 at 04:35 PM

I’m sorry, but if you speak to Latino immigrants, both legal and illegal, they laugh at the wall. Trump isn’t even trying to hide that the wall is a symbol, and not meant to actually keep out Mexicans. He said this! He actually admitted it, and people still want it. Crazy.

Trump will eventually build his wall, he’ll tweet out a spun statistic that supports his narrative, and all the Goober’s of the world will celebrate a “win” over the lefties, while in reality, illegal immigration hasn’t changed one bit. $5billion to help dysfunctional America “feel better”, rather than be given to veterans.


StratDal - 1/8/2019 at 05:06 PM

quote:
quote:
Original Goober wrote: "The wall resistance is more of a liberal idea that a big scary wall will clash with the American concept living in a liberals head."

That is an emotional response rather than a factual one. Here are some facts:

1. Our own officials report that most drugs enter our country through our legal points of entry. Thus, a wall will not solve the problem.

2. Stats show that most illegal aliens are people who have overstayed their visas. Thus a wall will not solve the problem.

There are plenty of obvious other considerations:

Do you want to invoke Eminent Domain to take private citizens' land away as needed for the wall?
Have you considered the environmental impact presented by the wall?
Do you understand that all walls require expensive maintenance?
Are you aware of the ways that modern technology has allowed walls or other boundaries to be subverted? It was not too long ago that incredibly advanced tunnels from Mexico to the US were discovered, for example.

To say that "Anyone who does not want a wall does not want border security" is absurd; it is like saying "Anyone who does not own a horse and carriage does not want to travel." We live in 2019, and technology offers plenty of alternatives that would be more effective and less expensive.

Look at the stats for deportations under Obama. Clearly his administration was taking steps to combat the illegals' presence here. Meanwhile, we also know that there have been illegals working at Trump's places.

I know memes offer tidbits of info that are easy talking points, but plenty of people who do their homework know that a wall is not a panacea.


Hopefully my points of view will never be confused with Goobers, but since I support more wall, or fence, barrier, whatever on the Mexican border I'd like to respond since I assume he will not.

If just a portion of the drugs come across the border between legal points of entry, maybe 20%, that is still a portion that can be restricted or reduced. Thereby making them move more through legal ports, potentially increasing the chance of capture, or making it more difficult on the movement of the drugs to circumvent where the additional barrier is.

I agree, visa overstays is a very large contributor to the illegal immigration problem. Just because a wall doesn't address that, doesn't mean that a wall keeping other illegal aliens from crossing isn't needed also. FY2019 numbers for October and November show that Southern Border Patrol apprehensions were over 51,000 each month. A total of 396,579 were apprehended in FY2018. And how many do they catch, half?

That is a problem and a problem that needs addressed further. I am fine if we do that with additional personnel, detention facilities, technology and yes barriers. They all play a role. A wall should not be built across the entire border, a wall doesn't need build everywhere. But where physical barriers make sense, they should be built and they should be difficult for anyone to try and navigate over, through or under.

Tunnels? We eventually find tunnels. But an example that we have made it harder for them to come. They have to dig tunnels and the work and time it takes to do that. Good, harder for them, takes them longer that is good.

I do not have much concern about environmental impact of additional construction at the border.

Eminent Domain is an issue, but it will have to be dealt with just like any other state or federal project deals with it. There is a procedure.

Maintenance = a maintenance job for someone.

Modern tech is great, and advancing. I like it. It all can and should work together to achieve the ultimate end goal, reducing as many illegal border crossings as possible. It will never get to zero, where there is a will there is a way, but I surely would hope we can substantially cut it from the 50,xxx a month we have seen recently.

Illegal immigration is a national emergency. But the entire issue is the emergency. The VISA overstays, the lack or serious punishment for employers who hire, the lack of e-verity, the 11-22 million illegals that are here (Yale 2018 study said 22million, most have it lower), the identity theft, the financial burden of educating and medical costs.

I do not know if the President is going to declare a national emergency. What I do know, is that it should not be done just to build a wall, but this issue, overall, is indeed a national emergency.


Lots of good points nebish and I'm sure most Americans feel similarly. Obviously border security is important but a wall will not be the only fix many think it will.

As for the president, it's just a lightning rod topic for him to rile up his supporters. When he said Mexico was going to pay for it, he lost all credibility with sensible thinking citizens regarding the issue. To hell with him.

Countless times throughout our nation's history, immigrants (legal or not) and immigration policies have been targets for political agendas. Sadly, it will continue.



MartinD28 - 1/8/2019 at 07:24 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Illegal immigration is a national emergency. But the entire issue is the emergency. The VISA overstays, the lack or serious punishment for employers who hire, the lack of e-verity, the 11-22 million illegals that are here (Yale 2018 study said 22million, most have it lower), the identity theft, the financial burden of educating and medical costs.

I do not know if the President is going to declare a national emergency. What I do know, is that it should not be done just to build a wall, but this issue, overall, is indeed a national emergency.


Whether there is or isn't, the only thing being discussed IS a wall, so...

You mention holding Americans accountable, such as penalties for hiring illegals. Does that apply to employers, like, oh, Mar-A-Lago?




I absolutely would support felony charges with mandatory jail time for repeat employers who hire illegal aliens without proper work visas.

I think national emergency is a bit much actually. It is a crisis. Lots of crisis around. If he declares a national emergency for wall construction I would not support that even though I do support devoting more resources to border security. The overall issue needs reformed, which is hard to see happening at this point.


There is a national emergency & crisis, and he sleeps in the White House.


Chain - 1/8/2019 at 09:27 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Illegal immigration is a national emergency. But the entire issue is the emergency. The VISA overstays, the lack or serious punishment for employers who hire, the lack of e-verity, the 11-22 million illegals that are here (Yale 2018 study said 22million, most have it lower), the identity theft, the financial burden of educating and medical costs.

I do not know if the President is going to declare a national emergency. What I do know, is that it should not be done just to build a wall, but this issue, overall, is indeed a national emergency.


Whether there is or isn't, the only thing being discussed IS a wall, so...

You mention holding Americans accountable, such as penalties for hiring illegals. Does that apply to employers, like, oh, Mar-A-Lago?




I absolutely would support felony charges with mandatory jail time for repeat employers who hire illegal aliens without proper work visas.

I think national emergency is a bit much actually. It is a crisis. Lots of crisis around. If he declares a national emergency for wall construction I would not support that even though I do support devoting more resources to border security. The overall issue needs reformed, which is hard to see happening at this point.


There is a national emergency & crisis, and he sleeps in the White House.


A national emergency made clearer by the day....For instance the Syria withdrawal confusion of just the past 72 hours should make it crystal clear just how incompetent this administration is. Bolton was given the middle finger by the Turks today and our Secretary of State is saying things to very concerned allies within the region completely at odds with Trump....A dangerous situation all created by the idiot occupying the White House.

Meanwhile, Mitch McConnell is AWOL in his responsibility for oversight of the Presidency on the domestic front with this shut down mess....Again, a mess created by Little Idiot.


gina - 1/9/2019 at 01:31 AM

Some good info in here from the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46792676

US law allows the president to direct military construction projects during war or national emergency, but that money would have to come from defence department funds allocated by Congress for other purposes, the BBC's Anthony Zurcher says.

US media are reporting that Mr Trump will not declare a national emergency on Tuesday evening, in a bid to launch construction of a wall by circumventing Congress.

The article below does point out that "310,531 people were apprehended trying to cross the southern border illegally in 2017" though it also says that 600,000 came by air overstaying their visas. But that does not engate the 310,531 who CAME ILLEGALLY ACROSS THE LAND BORDER>

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/08/trump-fact-check-speech-imm igration-border-security





[Edited on 1/9/2019 by gina]


gina - 1/9/2019 at 10:05 PM

Coast Guard Families given tips to survive the shutdown BY the Coast Guard includes having garage sales.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/01/09/coast-guard-fam ilies-told-they-can-have-garage-sales-cope-with-government-shutdown/?noredi rect=on&utm_term=.7873cdc7aa1b

Employees of the U.S. Coast Guard who are facing a long U.S. government shutdown just received a suggestion: To get by without pay, consider holding a garage sale, babysitting, dog-walking or serving as a “mystery shopper.”

The suggestions were part of a five-page tip sheet published by the Coast Guard Support Program, an employee-assistance arm of the service often known as CG SUPRT. It is designated to offer Coast Guard members help with mental-health issues or other concerns about their lives, including financial wellness.

https://www.scribd.com/document/397140587/Managing-Furlough




[Edited on 1/9/2019 by gina]


gina - 1/9/2019 at 10:20 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-walks-out-of-border-security- meeting-after-pelosi-rejects-wall-pitch/ar-BBS2bNO

“He asked Speaker Pelosi, ‘will you agree to my wall?’ She said no. And he just got up, and said, 'Well we’ve got nothing to discuss,'" Schumer said.

The president, in a tweet, called the meeting “a total waste of time” and appeared to confirm that he left after Pelosi's answer.

“I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!” Trump tweeted.

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Just left a meeting with Chuck and Nancy, a total waste of time. I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!

12:34 PM - 9 Jan 2019


2112 - 1/9/2019 at 11:28 PM

I have a crazy idea. Maybe he can get Mexico to pay for the wall. I wonder if he ever thought about doing that?


OriginalGoober - 1/10/2019 at 12:53 AM

The democratic party arguing crime stats is like arguing that crack is less addicitve than heroien.


cyclone88 - 1/10/2019 at 01:10 AM

quote:
The democratic party arguing crime stats is like arguing that crack is less addicitve than heroien.


WTF does that even mean & what does it have to do w/this thread?


OriginalGoober - 1/10/2019 at 01:43 AM

quote:
quote:
The democratic party arguing crime stats is like arguing that crack is less addicitve than heroien.


WTF does that even mean & what does it have to do w/this thread?


THere has been a statitstic quoted by MSM that Illegals are more deserving because they commit less violent crime than legal residents. The number is slightly lower but look at that homicide rate... wowwiee. Sad..... If a wall can cut the inflow of drugs and drive down or eliminate the murder rate thats a WIN-WIN. Democrats would rather ignore or deny that illegals ARE causing crime. Future voters and all.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish- the-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/?utm_term=.5ef8 aafc54db


BoytonBrother - 1/10/2019 at 03:16 AM

quote:
The democratic party arguing crime stats is like arguing that crack is less addicitve than heroien.


Yikes, what a snoozefest bomb of a one-liner attempt.



[Edited on 1/10/2019 by BoytonBrother]


BoytonBrother - 1/10/2019 at 03:22 AM

quote:
If a wall can cut the inflow of drugs and drive down or eliminate the murder rate thats a WIN-WIN.


American legalization of marijuana is already drastically reducing it, but if crediting Daddy Trump makes you feel better, have at it.

quote:
Democrats would rather ignore or deny that illegals ARE causing crime.


Why do you need a boogeyman? I’m dying to know what happened to you as a boy.


nebish - 1/10/2019 at 03:33 AM

quote:
Lots of good points nebish and I'm sure most Americans feel similarly. Obviously border security is important but a wall will not be the only fix many think it will.

As for the president, it's just a lightning rod topic for him to rile up his supporters. When he said Mexico was going to pay for it, he lost all credibility with sensible thinking citizens regarding the issue. To hell with him.

Countless times throughout our nation's history, immigrants (legal or not) and immigration policies have been targets for political agendas. Sadly, it will continue.


Strat, your voice is a welcome post in these threads!

Trump is over promising on what a wall will do. Additional and upgraded physical barriers can help. The reality is too many of his supporters just think it is the be all-end-all. Trump is not the first person to promote wall/fence on the Mexican border. He is the first one to call for one the entire length, and definitely hit a nerve on both sides. A wall the entire length is virtually impossible anyway. Plus when you hang your hat on Mexico paying for it, then you kind of have to get Mexico to pay for it to maintain any credibility. Ultimately our border security is our responsibility and the only way to do it is take something both sides can agree to. That is our system. He doesn’t/t get it.


nebish - 1/10/2019 at 03:43 AM

quote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-walks-out-of-border-sec urity-meeting-after-pelosi-rejects-wall-pitch/ar-BBS2bNO

“He asked Speaker Pelosi, ‘will you agree to my wall?’ She said no. And he just got up, and said, 'Well we’ve got nothing to discuss,'" Schumer said.

The president, in a tweet, called the meeting “a total waste of time” and appeared to confirm that he left after Pelosi's answer.

“I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!” Trump tweeted.

@realDonaldTrump
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Just left a meeting with Chuck and Nancy, a total waste of time. I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!

12:34 PM - 9 Jan 2019




The Democrats are under no obligation to do anything. It’s their House. Republicans can not control the agenda any longer. That is the consequences of elections. Sure they gained in the Senate, but lost the House. It is divided government now and Trump acts like people that don’t share his views on what is best must cave to his demands. That is not how it works.

Here is what I would’ve like Pelosi to have said in response to Trump today; “
Mr President I can not agree to your wall funding. What I will do is guarantee to give your bill (or McCarthy’s or whatever they write) a vote on the floor of the House. It is you and your party’s responsibility to craft a bill to garner passage. Mr President, I will will not suppress it and I will let my colleagues vote their own conscious and I see that your bill will get a vote, that is the best I can give you. Whether it passes or not is up to you. Deal?”


2112 - 1/10/2019 at 05:16 AM

quote:
quote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-walks-out-of-bord er-security-meeting-after-pelosi-rejects-wall-pitch/ar-BBS2bNO

“He asked Speaker Pelosi, ‘will you agree to my wall?’ She said no. And he just got up, and said, 'Well we’ve got nothing to discuss,'" Schumer said.

The president, in a tweet, called the meeting “a total waste of time” and appeared to confirm that he left after Pelosi's answer.

“I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!” Trump tweeted.

@realDonaldTrump
Follow Follow @realDonaldTrump
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Just left a meeting with Chuck and Nancy, a total waste of time. I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!

12:34 PM - 9 Jan 2019




The Democrats are under no obligation to do anything. It’s their House. Republicans can not control the agenda any longer. That is the consequences of elections. Sure they gained in the Senate, but lost the House. It is divided government now and Trump acts like people that don’t share his views on what is best must cave to his demands. That is not how it works.

Here is what I would’ve like Pelosi to have said in response to Trump today; “
Mr President I can not agree to your wall funding. What I will do is guarantee to give your bill (or McCarthy’s or whatever they write) a vote on the floor of the House. It is you and your party’s responsibility to craft a bill to garner passage. Mr President, I will will not suppress it and I will let my colleagues vote their own conscious and I see that your bill will get a vote, that is the best I can give you. Whether it passes or not is up to you. Deal?”


Seems like a fair way to handle it, but only if the Senate is allowed to vote on bills the Republicans don't want to bring to a vote as well. It's got to work both ways.


nebish - 1/10/2019 at 12:38 PM

I wouldn't go that far. Plenty of bills passed out of one chamber never sees the light of day with an opposing party controlling the other chamber. I don't like it that way, just the way it is - that is not new and requesting that for this negotiation is a bridge too far.

Specific to this issue, I think that if Trump would sign the government open, then in 30 days Pelosi could've allowed a vote on their border security bill. All you can ask for is a chance, an opportunity. You can't expect to bully people in government to get what you want. That is just who he is, and his own tactics are make my it harder for him to get what he wants. This shutdown is going to have very negative consequences for the Republicans.

Trump has never even told us where more fencing would be constructed. What is the roll out for this $5.7 billion? Tell us. Get it in writing and sell us on why this makes the most sense right now. But he can't. Best he could do is lie and say the Democrats wanted a steel slat fence, or Ballard wall, when in reality that is what border patrol wants.

I think there have already been 8 wall projects started or finished in 2018. So where is the next portion going with this funding? Tell us and why. Some Democrats are still saying they are against a 2000 mile concrete wall when that isn't eve what is on the table here. It is very frustrating to have such ineffective messaging when I too want additional barriers, but the "salesman" isn't selling it in a way to make everyone understand. You don't need to scare or threaten people, reason with them. Democrats have supported walls and wall money before. You have to frame it in a way they can support it again.

[Edited on 1/10/2019 by nebish]


Chain - 1/10/2019 at 09:59 PM

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I wouldn't go that far. Plenty of bills passed out of one chamber never sees the light of day with an opposing party controlling the other chamber. I don't like it that way, just the way it is - that is not new and requesting that for this negotiation is a bridge too far.

Specific to this issue, I think that if Trump would sign the government open, then in 30 days Pelosi could've allowed a vote on their border security bill. All you can ask for is a chance, an opportunity. You can't expect to bully people in government to get what you want. That is just who he is, and his own tactics are make my it harder for him to get what he wants. This shutdown is going to have very negative consequences for the Republicans.

Trump has never even told us where more fencing would be constructed. What is the roll out for this $5.7 billion? Tell us. Get it in writing and sell us on why this makes the most sense right now. But he can't. Best he could do is lie and say the Democrats wanted a steel slat fence, or Ballard wall, when in reality that is what border patrol wants.

I think there have already been 8 wall projects started or finished in 2018. So where is the next portion going with this funding? Tell us and why. Some Democrats are still saying they are against a 2000 mile concrete wall when that isn't eve what is on the table here. It is very frustrating to have such ineffective messaging when I too want additional barriers, but the "salesman" isn't selling it in a way to make everyone understand. You don't need to scare or threaten people, reason with them. Democrats have supported walls and wall money before. You have to frame it in a way they can support it again.

[Edited on 1/10/2019 by nebish]


What you're pointing out, Neb, is there are NO ACTUAL DETAILS FOR THE WALL....Mostly because the Wall was and remains nothing more than a campaign slogan. Which is why he made the claim that Mexico would pay for it...A very easy claim given he never had any intention of actually building it. Which is why he initially agreed to the House and Senate bill passed just prior to the shut down.

It was only when two female right wing talk radio personalities called him a pussy for agreeing to McConnell's bill that he suddenly decided to refuse. That should tell everyone just how much of a man child we have in the Oval office. Not only is he incompetent but he's so thin skinned and spineless that he can't even stand up to Ann Coulter and Laura Ingram (sp)....


MartinD28 - 1/10/2019 at 11:18 PM

On Trump's red meat rallies this is what he intended. Of course the lock her up crowd drinking from the Fountain Of Trump understood this at the rallies, and of course this is exactly what Trump meant along. This is comedy gold.

"Trump claims he never said Mexico would cut a check for the wall. Let’s go to the tape."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/10/trump-claims-he-never-sa id-mexico-would-cut-check-wall-lets-go-tape/?utm_term=.8e597f516b2c


StratDal - 1/11/2019 at 10:14 PM

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Lots of good points nebish and I'm sure most Americans feel similarly. Obviously border security is important but a wall will not be the only fix many think it will.

As for the president, it's just a lightning rod topic for him to rile up his supporters. When he said Mexico was going to pay for it, he lost all credibility with sensible thinking citizens regarding the issue. To hell with him.

Countless times throughout our nation's history, immigrants (legal or not) and immigration policies have been targets for political agendas. Sadly, it will continue.


Strat, your voice is a welcome post in these threads!

Trump is over promising on what a wall will do. Additional and upgraded physical barriers can help. The reality is too many of his supporters just think it is the be all-end-all. Trump is not the first person to promote wall/fence on the Mexican border. He is the first one to call for one the entire length, and definitely hit a nerve on both sides. A wall the entire length is virtually impossible anyway. Plus when you hang your hat on Mexico paying for it, then you kind of have to get Mexico to pay for it to maintain any credibility. Ultimately our border security is our responsibility and the only way to do it is take something both sides can agree to. That is our system. He doesn’t/t get it.


Thanks Nebish. You've never made any of your posts personal regardless of topic. Well done.

It's Friday. To hell with all the jive. Black Sabbath's Neon Knights. There's something about Tonny Iommi that's good for one's soul. Cheers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF3jeAPGhrY


gina - 1/12/2019 at 12:03 AM

This is what Congress is like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcRRaXV-fg



gina - 1/18/2019 at 10:48 PM

Bella is helping out her Mom who is furloughed. She's amazing. We should buy some of that scrub!

https://www.etsy.com/shop/BellaSweetScrubs

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/11-old-girl-starts-her-own-business-while-1333061 53--abc-news-topstories.html

Bella started Bella Sweet Scrubs using a recipe she and her mom used to make body scrubs during a day they spent together in December. She began by selling the scrubs to neighbors and friends and now has her own store on Etsy, where she ships them to customers across the country.

https://twitter.com/BellaBerrellez?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembe d%7Ctwterm%5E1081406691588100096&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs.yimg.com%2Fos% 2Fyc%2Fhtml%2Fembed-iframe-min.2d7621e2.html


https://twitter.com/hashtag/sweetscrubs?src=hash




gina - 1/18/2019 at 10:55 PM

Virginia Senator Warner introduces legislation to help furloughed workers.

The Federal Employee Civil Relief Act addresses the real threat of federal workers losing their homes, falling behind on student loans and other bills, having their car repossessed, or losing their health insurance because they have been furloughed during a shutdown or required to work without pay. Modeled after the Servicemembers Relief Act, the legislation will prohibit landlords and creditors from taking action against federal workers or contractors who are hurt by the government shutdown and unable to pay rent or repay loans. The bill would also empower federal workers to sue creditors or landlords that violate this protection. The Federal Employee Civil Relief Act would safeguard workers impacted by a shutdown from the following:

Being evicted or foreclosed;
Having their car or other property repossessed;
Falling behind in student loan payments;
Falling behind in paying bills; or
Losing their insurance because of missed premiums.
The protection would last during and 30 days following a shutdown to give workers a chance to keep up with their bills. The partial government shutdown, now in its third week, hurts hundreds of thousands of federal employees and contractors. Virginia alone is home to more than 170,000 federal workers.

Additional cosponsors of the bill include U.S. Sens. Ben Cardin (D-MD), Chris Van Hollen (D-MD), Maggie Hassan (D-NH), Martin Heinrich (D-NM), Cory Booker (D-NJ), Chris Murphy (D-CT), Tammy Baldwin (D-WI), Sherrod Brown (D-OH), Mazie K. Hirono (D-HI) and Catherine Cortez Masto (D-NV).

https://www.warner.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2019/1/warner-introduces-leg islation-to-protect-federal-workers-who-fall-behind-on-bills-during-trump-s hutdown


Remarks: That's nice, but how are the banks going to deal with the 800,000 people not paying for their houses? Where to do they get the money to cover those losses? Will we need another banking bailout if this shut down continues in the long term?



[Edited on 1/18/2019 by gina]


gina - 1/18/2019 at 10:59 PM

For some workers they will end up declaring bankruptcy such as this couple.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/well-have-no-other-option-than-declaring- bankruptcy-how-the-shutdown-could-impact-government-workers-for-months/ar-B BSr40T?li=BBnb7Kz


gina - 1/19/2019 at 12:43 AM

How bad is it? W is delivering pizza to his Secret Service detail. Seriously. There's a picture of him doing it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/president-george-w-bush-delivers-222826831.html

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsykhY0Asju/?utm_source=ig_embed


AND only 21 of the 80 people who take care of the W.H. are reporting to work. At least a chef and a butler are still coming in. If Trump had to live on McDonalds, BK and Wendy's, he's have to do some serious exercise, those meals are great but can add on the pounds.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shutdown-hits-home-trump-lives-government-housin g-180400475--politics.html





[Edited on 1/19/2019 by gina]

[Edited on 1/19/2019 by gina]


gina - 1/22/2019 at 09:11 PM

UPDATES:

There will be votes on Thursday. The proposal set for by the Republican based Senate would end the shutdown funding the agencies currently not being funded, whose workers are not being paid. Those programs would be funded till October 2019 if that legislation is passed. They have 53 votes out of 60 needed to pass it, they have to sway 7 more Democrats for that bill to pass.

Meanwhile the Democrats have their own bills they want to get passed. Mitch McConnell tried to get an amended version of one bill to the floor today, but he did not want to bring it to a vote if there was no chance it would pass. He doesn't want to waste everybody's time and aggravate them any more than they are already aggravated during this stressful time.


https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/426469-senate-to-vote-on-dueling-govern ment-funding-bills



The FBI is also adding their voice to the voices of please end the shutdown. (since the Justice Department is one of the Departments not being funded during this shutdown. While Trump has been at odds with Mueller and Comey, he certainly understands the importance of the work the agency does.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/22/senate-republicans-shutdown -bill-trump-plan


The Department of Agriculture is also not funded because of the shutdown. They are the ones who control the federal Food Stamp program. They issued The February allotment of food stamps early (by January 20th) because technically, legally the funding was still there in January, but once the calendar hits February 1st, since there is no budget, technically there is no funding for this program either. If the shutdown continues into February, it would then be up to states and local municipalities to decide what if anything they can issue to those in their region. Once the shutdown ends, the funding would (probably) be restored until October 2019 and benefits would then be able to be issued.

there are a lot of things going on with the shutdown effecting many people. HUD is also effected by the shudtown, HUD provides the Section 8 money for poor people to have housing.



While all this is going on, President Trump is also attending to other matters such as scheduling another meeting with Kim Jung Un for February regardless of the shutdown.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/18/white-house-next-trump-summit-with-kim-jong -un-will-take-place-near-the-end-of-february.html?recirc=taboolainternal











[Edited on 1/22/2019 by gina]


gina - 1/22/2019 at 09:34 PM

People are not terribly optimistic that the shutdown stalemate will end because the duel is between two strong, steadfast people, Nancy Pelosi leading the Democratic opposition and Donald Trump, who does not like to lose.
This is an interesting article that points out while President Trump has had nicknames for everybody else who differed with him in regards to Ms. Pelosi, he refers to her simply as Nancy. The author of the article suggests that he has met his match in terms of a competitor and he respects that.

"She’s taunting him. She’s the matador, he’s the bull."

"The tables had been turned, the master brander outbranded. More than a month later, the label “Trump shutdown” has clung more than any other."

"When he claimed that “Nancy’s in a situation where it’s not easy for her to talk right now,” she put him in his place: “Mr President, please don’t characterise the strength that I bring to this meeting as the leader of the House Democrats, who just won a big victory.”

"She has mastered two political skills he doesn’t even know he’s deficient in. One is she knows how to count votes. Second, she knows how to take advantage of the process. She’s going to deny him TV time: she really knows how to jab him with a needle."

Her own daughter, Alexandra Pelosi, said recently: “She’ll cut your head off and you won’t even know you’re bleeding.”


Comment: Quite a formidable opponent in a battle of wills. The thing is though, Trump does not want to fight. he just wants to do what he believes is the right thing, secure the border, end the shutdown so people can get back to their lives. He was even willing to look at legislation previously presented under Obama's tenure hoping to show show compromise to Democrats, but they will not even acknowledge that. Maybe some Trump supporters need to come to DC and protest in SUPPORT of the President and tell the Democrats to STOP OBSTRUCTING AMERICA. Because they are obstructing it, refusing to let people do their jobs and get paid. Or is it part of a bigger agenda? To cause the government to crumble so they can create something else? A One World Order? How can anybody seriously be against securing the border so that criminals, gangs, drugs do not come across? There really is no logical argument against securing the border.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/20/nancy-pelosi-donald-trump-s hutdown





[Edited on 1/22/2019 by gina]


Bhawk - 1/22/2019 at 10:25 PM

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The thing is though, Trump does not want to fight. he just wants to do what he believes is the right thing, secure the border, end the shutdown so people can get back to their lives. He was even willing to look at legislation previously presented under Obama's tenure hoping to show show compromise to Democrats, but they will not even acknowledge that.


Oh, they acknowledged it. The "counter-offer" proposed temporary provisions to permanent matters and included a couple of poison pills that guaranteed the offer being straight-up DOA.

quote:
Trump supporters need to come to DC and protest in SUPPORT of the President and tell the Democrats to STOP OBSTRUCTING AMERICA. Because they are obstructing it, refusing to let people do their jobs and get paid. Or is it part of a bigger agenda? To cause the government to crumble so they can create something else? A One World Order? How can anybody seriously be against securing the border so that criminals, gangs, drugs do not come across? There really is no logical argument against securing the border.


“I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck. … I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it.”

You're this guy's biggest cheerleader and even you won't hold him accountable for anything he says or does. If he was half the dealmaker he said he was he would have solved this when he was only 10 votes away during the last legislative session. Any President that can't whip 10 votes to reach a compromised solution is terrible at his job, period.

Democrats have proposed enhancing technology along the border and particularly at border crossings. In all your research, how'd you miss that there's 3,000 Customs and Border Patrol positions that have gone unfilled by the Trump Administration? How about the fact that the ones that we do have aren't getting paid? How do you justify that logic?

Where was President Trump and the Congressional GOP for the first two years of his presidency? WHY WASN'T THIS AN ISSUE UNTIL AFTER THE MIDTERMS?

He made a promise that Mexico would pay for it. Won't happen. Promised a wall that would stretch the entire border. Won't happen. Doesn't even have the people in place in his own Administration that can spin this or work a real deal. For heaven's sake, REBRAND IT. Come up with a combination of strategically placed actual walls, technology, drones, satellite and manpower and rebrand it all as a metaphorical wall. Come up with some clever name for it. NOT THAT HARD.

He's NOT the dealmaker you think he is. He's NOT the character he played on TV.

You cannot run a government by temper tantrum. Period.


Bhawk - 1/22/2019 at 10:41 PM

Here's another simple idea:

1. McConnell and Schumer broker a deal, or a Democratic bill comes out of the House that they pass and the Senate brokers and passes.

2. Trump vetoes

3. Senate overrides, government opens

Not that hard.


cyclone88 - 1/23/2019 at 01:11 PM

quote:
Here's another simple idea:

1. McConnell and Schumer broker a deal, or a Democratic bill comes out of the House that they pass and the Senate brokers and passes.

2. Trump vetoes

3. Senate overrides, government opens

Not that hard.


If only McConnell hadn't gone MIA.When he reappeared, he objected to Sen. Paine's request for a vote on the House bills that have been sitting at the Senate for weeks. At least, he's allowing a vote tomorrow on something.


crazyjoe - 1/23/2019 at 01:52 PM

My thoughts today on the shutdown, is that for the first time in his life, Trump should actually man up, he should step up and apologize and admit he was wrong??? 2 days before he shut things down he stated he was happy to do so and this shutdown was HIS!!! For the first time in his life he needs to do what a man does sometimes, he should step to the podium and open the Government. Men sometimes do tough things, being tough does not mean cheating some poor contractor on a construction project or cheating someone in a lesser position in a business deal. Someone please explain to how Trump's big wall project went from being fully funded by Mexico, to shutting down our own Government in a huge hissy fit when his promises proved false. He should open the Government today and begin immediately cutting full repayment checks to the 800,000 Families who suddenly lost their income!!!!! I can't even imagine the full horror of that, my goodness, unfathomable!!!!! Trump''s idiotic shutdown, to try to cover his idiotic promise that Mexico would build us some stupid wall. Could You endure what these Families are enduring??? It sure would be Hell for me. How can we as Americans tolerate this??? There should be a public email Addy or phone number for Americans to call the pres. But it shouldn't take that, if Trump gave any sh!t about Our Country or People, the shutdown would be ended by noon today and we would move on from there.............Peace.........joe

[Edited on 1/23/2019 by crazyjoe]


pops42 - 1/23/2019 at 02:41 PM

The trump inflicted shutdown, stupid trade war, and trillion dollar deficit, will cause the next great depression. This is what trump wants, so he and his scumbag family can profit from hardworking people's misery.

[Edited on 1/23/2019 by pops42]


cyclone88 - 1/23/2019 at 03:02 PM

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My thoughts today on the shutdown, is that for the first time in his life, Trump should actually man up


We're where we are because Trump's manhood was questioned by Ann Coulter & co when he was set to sign the Republican bills to fund the government in December. One dis by her & suddenly, he needs $5B for a wall. The issue was of no real significance to him until then.

He's not a man to be moved by emotion or compassion. His sole motivations are greed & celebrity. He doesn't even care who his fans are - just that he has them.

IMO the quickest way out is for Trump to announce something preposterous like "The border is secure. My job is done." as Pence did regarding the defeat of ISIS. Otherwise, McConnell may turn things around when he realizes his legacy is being tarnished rather than polished by backing Trump.




Chain - 1/23/2019 at 10:44 PM

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quote:
My thoughts today on the shutdown, is that for the first time in his life, Trump should actually man up


We're where we are because Trump's manhood was questioned by Ann Coulter & co when he was set to sign the Republican bills to fund the government in December. One dis by her & suddenly, he needs $5B for a wall. The issue was of no real significance to him until then.

He's not a man to be moved by emotion or compassion. His sole motivations are greed & celebrity. He doesn't even care who his fans are - just that he has them.

IMO the quickest way out is for Trump to announce something preposterous like "The border is secure. My job is done." as Pence did regarding the defeat of ISIS. Otherwise, McConnell may turn things around when he realizes his legacy is being tarnished rather than polished by backing Trump.






McConnell will only turn when enough members of his caucus are in jeopardy of losing their seats and thus Mitch's post as Majority Leader of the Senate is also jeopardized...The only thing that motivates the self-serving leader is whatever ensures he remain the leader....

It's sickening that the man cares not one iota about the federal employees he's enabling Trump to furlough but only about Mitch McConnell. I truly hope the electorate hold him accountable in 2020 and boot his ass from the leadership position. Sadly, he'll never be defeated for his own seat, but maybe the leadership position.


nebish - 1/24/2019 at 07:20 PM

15 days ago after that infamous last meeting between congressional leadership at the White House with the President, I said that Speaker Pelosi should've told Trump that in exchange for him ending the shut down, she would allow a bill to receive votes on the House floor, that was the best she can do.

Today, 30 House Democrats are saying the same thing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/rep.-elaine-luria-sends-letter-to-pelosi-urg ing-compromise-to-end-shutdown/75f66125-415e-4cee-be44-3cce4634006d_note.ht ml?utm_term=.d6970ace8550

We don't know if Trump will accept, but had Pelosi offered this 2 weeks ago I think we would be further ahead than we are now. We also don't know of the Speaker will accept. This is a very reasonable path to be taking, and, that is how it is supposed to work - via a bill that gets voted on, in normal order. Trump should not expect anything more than an opportunity to have his wishes take the form of legislation voted on in Congress.


quote:

Rep. Luria, Virginia Democrat, urges Pelosi to offer Trump a vote on border security funding

By Jenna Portnoy
January 23 at 6:10 PM

Thirty House Democrats, led by freshman Rep. Elaine Luria (D-Va.), on Wednesday sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi urging her to offer President Trump a vote on border security funding if he first agrees to end the prolonged government shutdown.

Luria, who represents a military-heavy district including Virginia Beach, said she would be open to a menu of border security options, including a “physical barrier” of some type.

“He’s not talking about a wall from sea to shining sea,” she said of the president. “That is not what we are talking about. We are talking about physical barriers as recommended by experts.”

The letter marks the first time Luria has publicly engaged the leadership of her party since winning her first bid for public office late last year.

Her office collected signatures from lawmakers throughout the day Wednesday, even as Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Democratic leaders were drafting a proposal to support increased spending on border security, without a wall, if the White House opens the government.

For years, Democrats voted for new fencing and other physical barriers along the southern border. Then Donald Trump was elected president. (JM Rieger/The Washington Post)

Luria’s letter asks Pelosi to offer Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) a deal guaranteeing that the administration’s spending proposal would go through what she called normal order and procedures in the Democratic-majority House of Representatives.

A variety of lawmakers signed it, including two of Luria’s Virginia colleagues, centrist Rep. Abigail Spanberger and the more progressive Rep. Jennifer Wexton. All three freshmen flipped red districts blue in November by appealing to independent and Republican-leaning voters and promising to seek bipartisan solutions once in Congress — helping Democrats to recapture control of the House.

Luria defeated freshman congressman Scott Taylor in a district that voted for Trump by four points in 2016. She won Democratic-leaning voters opposed to the president without turning off conservatives.

Asked whether she worried the letter to Pelosi would alienate Democrats who support her, Luria said voters across the political spectrum want lawmakers to compromise.

“No, I’ve had positive feedback from the district,” she said. “People want to see the government open. They understand the hardship this is causing people. I really have not had any negative feedback.”

Last week she came out strongly against Trump after he canceled military transport for Pelosi and lawmakers — including Luria — to travel to Afghanistan and Belgium.

Luria called the president’s decision “inappropriate” and said his dismissal of the trip as a “public relations event” insulted American troops.

During the campaign, Luria said she has always considered herself a Democrat, but voted for Taylor in the 2016 Republican primary and the general election because she thought he would govern as a moderate.

Virginia has open primaries and does not register voters by party.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/rep-luria-virginia-d emocrat-urges-pelosi-to-offer-trump-a-vote-on-border-security-funding/2019/ 01/23/ea9a19b6-1f14-11e9-9145-3f74070bbdb9_story.html?noredirect=on&utm _term=.20c73d65ee0f



[Edited on 1/24/2019 by nebish]


cyclone88 - 1/25/2019 at 06:49 PM

Gotta think LaGuardia's shutdown for an hour along with ripple delays from the NE are worrying Trump far more than what Stone's going to say. He doesn't want to be known as the guy who shut down air travel in the US.


Chain - 1/25/2019 at 07:28 PM

I think the fact that the Senate bill crafted by the Democrats had more Republican votes yesterday than the one Mitch "It's all about Me" McConnell crafted says a great deal about the heat beginning to come down on some Senate Republicans...The cracks are beginning to form and the undying support for Little baby Donnie is beginning so show signs of ending. At least on the issue of a border wall.

Once again the adults in the room will be the ones to bail man child Donnie out of yet another clusterf*ck of his own creation...Just like Fred Trump, the New York/New Jersey Mob, European banks, Russian mafia, Middle East monarchs, etc. have in little Donnie's continual bankruptcies...Always someone else to clean up his mess.


MartinD28 - 1/25/2019 at 08:56 PM

I watched Mobster Don's rambling diatribe today about the 3 week opening. He spent loads of time talking about the need for his wall. He mentioned how he felt for the fed workers - who really believes that? In 3 weeks odds and no wall = right back where we've been for 30+ days. He caved because his numbers are horrible. He is taking the heat. That's what he cares about.

I want to know who are all these fictitious federal workers are whom he talks about who don't get a paycheck and are behind him on the shutdown. Makes perfectly good sense?

Anybody see billionaire Wilbur Ross, Sec of Commerce yesterday say that shutdown impacted workers in need of $ should take out loans. Now that's a member of Trump's cesspool that can identify with ordinary people.


OriginalGoober - 1/25/2019 at 09:24 PM


Illegal immigration has been a problem talked around for a long time with no change in the amount of people pouring in. President Trump is the only President not afraid to take this challenge on. It will be a big shame if border security fails to pass. I agree whole-heartedly that the radical left cannot take control of our border situation. I would rather err on the side of more security than less.


BoytonBrother - 1/25/2019 at 09:41 PM

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Illegal immigration has been a problem talked around for a long time with no change in the amount of people pouring in. President Trump is the only President not afraid to take this challenge on. It will be a big shame if border security fails to pass. I agree whole-heartedly that the radical left cannot take control of our border situation. I would rather err on the side of more security than less.


I hope you don't have children.


OriginalGoober - 1/25/2019 at 10:04 PM

I could go lower but I wont.


BillyBlastoff - 1/25/2019 at 10:07 PM

quote:
egal immigration has been a problem talked around for a long time with no change in the amount of people pouring in. President Trump is the only President not afraid to take this challenge on. It will be a big shame if border security fails to pass. I agree whole-heartedly that the radical left cannot take control of our border situation. I would rather err on the side of more security than less.


Hey Goob? Where do you get your information?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/14/deportations-under-trump-a re-rise-still-lower-than-obamas-ice-report-shows/?utm_term=.ccd69f9bd342


gina - 1/25/2019 at 10:17 PM

WHERE THINGS STAND NOW TODAY.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/427004-trump-agrees-to-end-shut down

SO Trump has agreed to re-open the govt. until February 15th and provide the back pay for the 800,000 furloughed federal workers. BUT, if Congress does not provide a bill that provides funding for the wall by February 15th, the government will shut down once again and he said he will "address" the national security issue. (which most people understand to mean POSSIBLY declare that National State of Emergency due to conditions on the southern border).


Further remarks: This is not JUST a battle of wills regarding THE WALL. There are other issues each side is working on, that is why there has been so much back and forth. It is not just a duel between President Trump and Fancy Nancy as she has been called.


RE-CAP OF BILLS PRESENTED AND REJECTED


This was Trumps original offer from 1-19-19

Here's what the President says his proposal included:

Three years of legislative relief for 700,000 DACA recipients, giving them access to work permits, social security numbers and protection from deportation
A three-year extension of Temporary Protected Status for immigrants whose protections are facing expiration
$800 million in humanitarian assistance
$805 million for drug detection technology
2,750 border agents and law enforcement professionals
75 new immigration judge teams to reduce the backlog of court cases

These are issues both sides have been working on.


https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/19/politics/house-democrats-border-security-fun ding-trump/index.html

All seven outstanding appropriations bills, as agreed upon in the House-Senate conference process -- this includes the Department of Homeland Security measure that has been at the center of the entire shutdown.
Asylum law changes -- one that would create in-country asylum processing for Central America minors, and another that would give the administration the power to immediately deport any minor who crossed the border without going through the in-country process.
Extension of the Violence Against Women Act through the end of September.
Extension of the EB-5 visa program, E-Verify program that allows employers to confirm employee work eligibility, the Conrad 30 program for international medical school graduates, Special Immigrant Religious Workers program, and H2B returning worker authority for DHS, all through the end of the fiscal year.

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2183563/us-sen ate-votes-down-two-bills-end-government

The Senate rejected Trump’s proposal on a 50-47 vote, with Senators Mike Lee of Utah and Tom Cotton of Arkansas, both Republicans, crossing party lines to vote against the measure and Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia, a Democrat, joining most Republicans in voting yes.

The bill also called for funding for 750 more Border Patrol agents, 375 additional Customs and Border Protection officers and 2,000 more Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents and support staffers.

In its second vote of the day, the Senate rejected a Democratic bill to reopen the government through February 8.

The measure failed on a 52-44 vote. A half-dozen Republicans, including Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, Susan Collins of Maine, Cory Gardner of Colorado, Johnny Isakson of Georgia, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Mitt Romney of Utah, defied Trump, voting with Democrats in favour of the measure.

The proposal included no additional money for border security or any other government function. Instead, it would have opened the government under prior funding levels, to allow for further negotiations while also providing US$14 billion in unrelated disaster-relief funding.

Also on Thursday, a group of 30 House Democrats continued to press their case that Pelosi should guarantee Trump a vote on border security funding by the end of February if he agrees to allow the government to reopen.






[Edited on 1/25/2019 by gina]


gina - 1/25/2019 at 10:20 PM

Comparison of bills each side has creasted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/politics/shutdown-border-fundi ng-proposals/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e93a646dd123



gina - 1/25/2019 at 10:29 PM

This is how law enforcement has been effected by the shutdown.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2019/jan/24/donald-trump-latest-ne ws-today-live-government-shutdown-senate-vote

In a letter to Donald Trump today, Nathan Catura, who heads the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, expressed just how dire the shutdown has been for workers who have now gone without pay for more than a month.

Describing the “perilous position” federal workers are facing, he writes that many are depending on GoFundMe pages and soup kitchens to get by. Citing that 27,000 federal agents and officers across 65 federal agencies are represented by his association and that all have had to work with no pay as their jobs are essential to national security, he called the shutdown reprehensible and asked the President to end it.

Many of our members conduct complex investigations including tracking terrorists, identifying foreign actors, and protecting elected officials, including you and your family. As the shutdown continues they are being put in both a fiscally and personally compromising position that is antithetical to the way our nation should be treating those that protect us.

Twenty-first century law enforcement requires research, analysis and technology. These critical investigative support elements are not working during the shutdown, this compares to half of a team taking a field for a game. The targets of our investigations now have an advantage of being better informed and better resourced than our members. This is an extremely dangerous situation that threatens the lives of our members and all Americans.


REMARKS: The shutdown has been lifted but only until February 15th. If Congress cannot solve it's divisiveness the conditions that have existed because of the shutdown will come back and continue. This is a very serious point in our history and people need to be aware of that.


MartinD28 - 1/25/2019 at 10:41 PM

quote:

Illegal immigration has been a problem talked around for a long time with no change in the amount of people pouring in. President Trump is the only President not afraid to take this challenge on. It will be a big shame if border security fails to pass. I agree whole-heartedly that the radical left cannot take control of our border situation. I would rather err on the side of more security than less.


Well goob,

There is border security and then there are walls. There are differences, you do know? Soon Humpty Dumpty is gong to fall really hard from his wall of lies & deceptions, but you'll be there to catch him? He is someone who can do no wrong with 30% of an electorate. That 30% is empowerment?


2112 - 1/25/2019 at 10:51 PM

quote:

Illegal immigration has been a problem talked around for a long time with no change in the amount of people pouring in. President Trump is the only President not afraid to take this challenge on. It will be a big shame if border security fails to pass. I agree whole-heartedly that the radical left cannot take control of our border situation. I would rather err on the side of more security than less.


But there has been a HUGE DECREASE in the number of people crossing over the last 10 years. Illegal immigration is already WAY DOWN. There are 1 million fewer illegals in the US than there were 10 years ago. Those are the facts, so why is this suddenly a crisis?


gina - 1/25/2019 at 10:56 PM

quote:
quote:

Illegal immigration has been a problem talked around for a long time with no change in the amount of people pouring in. President Trump is the only President not afraid to take this challenge on. It will be a big shame if border security fails to pass. I agree whole-heartedly that the radical left cannot take control of our border situation. I would rather err on the side of more security than less.


But there has been a HUGE DECREASE in the number of people crossing over the last 10 years. Illegal immigration is already WAY DOWN. There are 1 million fewer illegals in the US than there were 10 years ago. Those are the facts, so why is this suddenly a crisis?



I am also putting the article in this thread because I don't think most of us were/are aware of the size of the problem.

https://www.wola.org/analysis/trump-asylum-seekers-wait-in-mexico-border-cr isis/

"Because the U.S. Justice Department employs only 395 immigration judges, the current backlog in U.S. immigration courts has reached over 800,000 cases. As a result, those who enter into the U.S. asylum system are now usually being given initial hearing dates in late 2021 at the earliest, and often for 2022 or 2023. "

And there is reportedly a NEW caravan of 1,800 more people heading towards America.


BoytonBrother - 1/25/2019 at 11:28 PM



[Edited on 1/25/2019 by BoytonBrother]


BoytonBrother - 1/25/2019 at 11:29 PM

Glad to see Trump do the right thing. Too bad it had to come to this. I'm not on board with the "trump caved" campaign. Not helping anything at all.


Bhawk - 1/25/2019 at 11:32 PM

The Greatest Dealmaker In The History Of Ever did not cave.

He got owned.


cyclone88 - 1/25/2019 at 11:39 PM

quote:
REMARKS: The shutdown has been lifted but only until February 15th. If Congress cannot solve it's divisiveness the conditions that have existed because of the shutdown will come back and continue. This is a very serious point in our history and people need to be aware of that.


Congress isn't divided. What Trump agreed to today is exactly what he had planned to sign in December (with unanimous approval by the Republican Senate) before Coulter & Co questioned his manhood about The Wall. Trump, for the sake of his ego and to satisfy Coulter & Co, put millions of American government employees (directly, ancillary, & contract) through hell for nothing. He got nothing.

"Border Security" has always been a priority for both parties. Ms. Coulter is holding Trump's feet to the fire for a 90' concrete slab wall campaign promise that even he has shown flexibility on - considering a slatted fence or other type of barrier.

After this fiasco with law enforcement, national security, and air traffic nightmares, Trump isn't going to jump into another shutdown nor is he going to declare an emergency. It would take well past 2020 to wend its way through the courts as to the validity of the emergency & the purchase of private land. He's all smoke & mirrors.

Today proved he doesn't know a thing about the Art of the Deal in politics. He achieved nothing in 35 days.


gina - 1/25/2019 at 11:53 PM

He got nothing?

The stalemate/battle is not over. He is doing a humanitarian act making sure those 800,000 workers who have been without paychecks get paid. And their pay can come as soon as tomorrow. He wants to work on plans with the Democrats to get funding for the wall. He has been reasonable, he will even accept partial funding so that construction can begin.

1-24-18 from his Twitter page:

"Nancy just said she “just doesn’t understand why?” Very simply, without a Wall it all doesn’t work. Our Country has a chance to greatly reduce Crime, Human Trafficking, Gangs and Drugs. Should have been done for decades. We will not Cave"


Can it be any clearer than that? Without some type of physical barrier, reducing the illegals coming over, including gang members, the drugs and the exploitative people who prey on desperate young people seeking a better life, who sell them into human trafficking, all of that happens because there is no wall. Can people dig tunnels under the wall? Of course they can. A wall will stop more of these problems than no wall. That is the rationale for the wall.


IF Congress does not hand hiim some bills that can pass in the House and the Senate, I believe he will declare a National Emergency. He wrote a draft for that last week. Thankfully he did not have to use it. The battle is not over yet.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-border-wall-emergency-draft/i ndex.html

"If the declaration is made, the US Army Corps of Engineers would be deployed to construct the wall, some of which could be built on private property and would therefore require the administration to seize the land, which is permitted if it's for public use."

The right to seize the land comes from those Executive Orders I mentioned previously that gives the government the right to seize any and everything in a national emergency.

From Trump himself:

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-threatens-declaring-national-emergency- another-shutdown-without-fair-deal-on-border-wall-1432048707704

Look on the bright side, at least it will be after the Super Bowl if he has to do this. BUT it will get immediately ugly in DC.

House Armed Services Chairman said they would immediately initiate a lawsuit.
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/armed-services-chairman-vows-fight-t rump-declares-national-emergency


AND YES NANCY HAS SPOKEN.
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/not-clear-wall-pelosi-signals-trump- still-wont-get-wants
“Have I not been clear on the wall?” Speaker Nancy Pelosi told reporters Friday when one asked if Democrats would continue to object to wall funding in the upcoming negotiations. “I’ve been very clear.” Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer was more direct: “Democrats are against the wall.”










[Edited on 1/26/2019 by gina]

[Edited on 1/26/2019 by gina]


Chain - 1/26/2019 at 12:25 AM

quote:
quote:
REMARKS: The shutdown has been lifted but only until February 15th. If Congress cannot solve it's divisiveness the conditions that have existed because of the shutdown will come back and continue. This is a very serious point in our history and people need to be aware of that.


Congress isn't divided. What Trump agreed to today is exactly what he had planned to sign in December (with unanimous approval by the Republican Senate) before Coulter & Co questioned his manhood about The Wall. Trump, for the sake of his ego and to satisfy Coulter & Co, put millions of American government employees (directly, ancillary, & contract) through hell for nothing. He got nothing.

"Border Security" has always been a priority for both parties. Ms. Coulter is holding Trump's feet to the fire for a 90' concrete slab wall campaign promise that even he has shown flexibility on - considering a slatted fence or other type of barrier.

After this fiasco with law enforcement, national security, and air traffic nightmares, Trump isn't going to jump into another shutdown nor is he going to declare an emergency. It would take well past 2020 to wend its way through the courts as to the validity of the emergency & the purchase of private land. He's all smoke & mirrors.

Today proved he doesn't know a thing about the Art of the Deal in politics. He achieved nothing in 35 days.


Well said....Not only did he achieve nothing, but the cost of his temper tantrum hasn't even begun to come home to roost...If anyone who was on the fence about Trump prior to this fiasco doesn't wake up and see what this guy is, well, I don't know what will....And that's scary.

[Edited on 1/26/2019 by Chain]


Chain - 1/26/2019 at 12:31 AM

quote:
He got nothing?

The stalemate/battle is not over. He is doing a humanitarian act making sure those 800,000 workers who have been without paychecks get paid. And their pay can come as soon as tomorrow. He wants to work on plans with the Democrats to get funding for the wall. He has been reasonable, he will even accept partial funding so that construction can begin.

1-24-18 from his Twitter page:

"Nancy just said she “just doesn’t understand why?” Very simply, without a Wall it all doesn’t work. Our Country has a chance to greatly reduce Crime, Human Trafficking, Gangs and Drugs. Should have been done for decades. We will not Cave"


Can it be any clearer than that? Without some type of physical barrier, reducing the illegals coming over, including gang members, the drugs and the exploitative people who prey on desperate young people seeking a better life, who sell them into human trafficking, all of that happens because there is no wall. Can people dig tunnels under the wall? Of course they can. A wall will stop more of these problems than no wall. That is the rationale for the wall.


IF Congress does not hand hiim some bills that can pass in the House and the Senate, I believe he will declare a National Emergency. He wrote a draft for that last week. Thankfully he did not have to use it. The battle is not over yet.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-border-wall-emergency-draft/i ndex.html

"If the declaration is made, the US Army Corps of Engineers would be deployed to construct the wall, some of which could be built on private property and would therefore require the administration to seize the land, which is permitted if it's for public use."

The right to seize the land comes from those Executive Orders I mentioned previously that gives the government the right to seize any and everything in a national emergency.

From Trump himself:

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-threatens-declaring-national-emergency- another-shutdown-without-fair-deal-on-border-wall-1432048707704

Look on the bright side, at least it will be after the Super Bowl if he has to do this. BUT it will get immediately ugly in DC.

House Armed Services Chairman said they would immediately initiate a lawsuit.
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/armed-services-chairman-vows-fight-t rump-declares-national-emergency


AND YES NANCY HAS SPOKEN.
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/not-clear-wall-pelosi-signals-trump- still-wont-get-wants
“Have I not been clear on the wall?” Speaker Nancy Pelosi told reporters Friday when one asked if Democrats would continue to object to wall funding in the upcoming negotiations. “I’ve been very clear.” Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer was more direct: “Democrats are against the wall.”










[Edited on 1/26/2019 by gina]

[Edited on 1/26/2019 by gina]


I can't figure out if maybe your a Saudi bot or a Russian one? But then again there's something about the way you strategically post these absurd, unfounded, and frankly a bit out there posts that makes me think that neither is the case and that maybe you're just in love with Donald Trump..

But I'm probably wrong..

[Edited on 1/26/2019 by Chain]

[Edited on 1/26/2019 by Chain]


MartinD28 - 1/26/2019 at 12:34 AM

quote:
He got nothing?

The stalemate/battle is not over. He is doing a humanitarian act making sure those 800,000 workers who have been without paychecks get paid. And their pay can come as soon as tomorrow. He wants to work on plans with the Democrats to get funding for the wall. He has been reasonable, he will even accept partial funding so that construction can begin.




Answer - Yes, he got something. He got schooled by Nancy Pelosi. Think about that. This is not some women he paid off for sex. She is someone that knows her way around DC moreso than the great deal maker. She had a mandate from the midterm elections which Trump used to amp up his anti immigration & wall mantra. He lost. Unfortunately much of the country went down with his childish game. His ego has to be crushed by seeing Pelosi come out on top of his manufactured crisis.

Gina says "He is doing a humanitarian act". So, that we have it right - he created a very inhumane situation for thousands and thousands of workers with additional external problems created for DHS, the FBI, and our air system. He got beat up badly & was blamed for his horrible judgement. It had ripple effects on the economy. But Gina thinks by him trying to save face he did a humanitarian thing as if he has empathy for people other than his family.




[Edited on 1/26/2019 by MartinD28]


gina - 1/26/2019 at 12:35 AM

President Trump, he is not going to give in on needing the wall, nor should he. The wall is part of border security.

Trump: video

https://www.yahoo.com/news/1-trump-announces-deal-reopen-192825406.html








[Edited on 1/26/2019 by gina]

[Edited on 1/26/2019 by gina]


Chain - 1/26/2019 at 12:40 AM

quote:
quote:
He got nothing?

The stalemate/battle is not over. He is doing a humanitarian act making sure those 800,000 workers who have been without paychecks get paid. And their pay can come as soon as tomorrow. He wants to work on plans with the Democrats to get funding for the wall. He has been reasonable, he will even accept partial funding so that construction can begin.




Answer - Yes, he got something. He got schooled by Nancy Pelosi. Think about that. This is not some women he paid off for sex. She is someone that knows her way around DC moreso than the great deal maker. She had a mandate from the midterm elections which Trump used to amp up his anti immigration & wall mantra. He lost. Unfortunately much of the country went down with his childish game. His ego has to be crushed by seeing Pelosi come out on top of his manufactured crisis.

Gina says "He is doing a humanitarian act". So, that we have it right - he created a very inhumane situation for thousands and thousands of workers with additional external problems created for DHS, the FBI, and our air system. He got beat up badly & was blamed for his horrible judgement. It had ripple effects on the economy. But Gina thinks by him trying to save face he did a humanitarian thing as if he has empathy for people other than his family.




[Edited on 1/26/2019 by MartinD28]


Exactly....And Donald Trump and his enablers in the Republican party, in particular, Mitch McConnell, need to answer for the damage they have caused....To the livelihoods of the individuals and families he had no consideration for, to national security, to the economy, etc....They need to pay and I hope like hell the populace never forgets this and shows up at the polls in 2 years.


gina - 1/26/2019 at 12:46 AM

quote:
quote:
He got nothing?

The stalemate/battle is not over. He is doing a humanitarian act making sure those 800,000 workers who have been without paychecks get paid. And their pay can come as soon as tomorrow. He wants to work on plans with the Democrats to get funding for the wall. He has been reasonable, he will even accept partial funding so that construction can begin.

1-24-18 from his Twitter page:

"Nancy just said she “just doesn’t understand why?” Very simply, without a Wall it all doesn’t work. Our Country has a chance to greatly reduce Crime, Human Trafficking, Gangs and Drugs. Should have been done for decades. We will not Cave"


Can it be any clearer than that? Without some type of physical barrier, reducing the illegals coming over, including gang members, the drugs and the exploitative people who prey on desperate young people seeking a better life, who sell them into human trafficking, all of that happens because there is no wall. Can people dig tunnels under the wall? Of course they can. A wall will stop more of these problems than no wall. That is the rationale for the wall.


IF Congress does not hand hiim some bills that can pass in the House and the Senate, I believe he will declare a National Emergency. He wrote a draft for that last week. Thankfully he did not have to use it. The battle is not over yet.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/politics/trump-border-wall-emergency-draft/i ndex.html

"If the declaration is made, the US Army Corps of Engineers would be deployed to construct the wall, some of which could be built on private property and would therefore require the administration to seize the land, which is permitted if it's for public use."

The right to seize the land comes from those Executive Orders I mentioned previously that gives the government the right to seize any and everything in a national emergency.

From Trump himself:

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-threatens-declaring-national-emergency- another-shutdown-without-fair-deal-on-border-wall-1432048707704

Look on the bright side, at least it will be after the Super Bowl if he has to do this. BUT it will get immediately ugly in DC.

House Armed Services Chairman said they would immediately initiate a lawsuit.
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/armed-services-chairman-vows-fight-t rump-declares-national-emergency


AND YES NANCY HAS SPOKEN.
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/not-clear-wall-pelosi-signals-trump- still-wont-get-wants
“Have I not been clear on the wall?” Speaker Nancy Pelosi told reporters Friday when one asked if Democrats would continue to object to wall funding in the upcoming negotiations. “I’ve been very clear.” Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer was more direct: “Democrats are against the wall.”










[Edited on 1/26/2019 by gina]

[Edited on 1/26/2019 by gina]


I can't figure out if maybe your a Saudi bot or a Russian one? But then again there's something about the way you strategically post these absurd, unfounded, and frankly a bit out there posts that makes me think that neither is the case and that maybe you're just in love with Donald Trump..

But I'm probably wrong..


I agree with his position that there is a serious problem on our southern border and many things are needed to solve this problem, including a physical barrier, more judges to handle the backlog of 800,000 asylum cases currently pending and a change to our immigration laws limiting the number of asylum seekers from NON WAR ZONE countries who can come here. We cannot afford to have an endless stream of people coming here who we cannot support.


nebish - 1/26/2019 at 03:54 AM

quote:
The Greatest Dealmaker In The History Of Ever did not cave.

He got owned.


True. I take it you are having a good Friday.


quote:
Today proved he doesn't know a thing about the Art of the Deal in politics. He achieved nothing in 35 days.


Trump's negotiating style, if there is such a thing, is completely ineffective in the political realm. He is dealing with individuals, people, groups, nations, political parties that have a message that needs to be crafted in any negotiation or "deal". Trump incessantly beating people over the head with why he is 'winning' is counterproductive to the process. How are you going to insult somebody up and down publicly and then expect them to give you what you want when they have everything to lose - and everyone sees it. Maybe it works in private, when there aren't, oh, thousands of interested and engaged people opposing him. Trump has never understood how politics is supposed to or actually works. This last 5 weeks just was further confirmation of such.

quote:
Exactly....And Donald Trump and his enablers in the Republican party, in particular, Mitch McConnell, need to answer for the damage they have caused....To the livelihoods of the individuals and families he had no consideration for, to national security, to the economy, etc....They need to pay and I hope like hell the populace never forgets this and shows up at the polls in 2 years.


Nobody is going to forget this. They will pay dearly for it. As if there wasn't enough already stacked against them.


nebish - 1/26/2019 at 03:58 AM

quote:
quote:

Illegal immigration has been a problem talked around for a long time with no change in the amount of people pouring in. President Trump is the only President not afraid to take this challenge on. It will be a big shame if border security fails to pass. I agree whole-heartedly that the radical left cannot take control of our border situation. I would rather err on the side of more security than less.


But there has been a HUGE DECREASE in the number of people crossing over the last 10 years. Illegal immigration is already WAY DOWN. There are 1 million fewer illegals in the US than there were 10 years ago. Those are the facts, so why is this suddenly a crisis?


Same question, same answer from this thread:
http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&am p;file=viewthread&tid=147622&page=2

quote:
2112 said: Here is the part I don't get. Illegal crossings are down already - way down, and have been going down for over a decade. There are over 1 million fewer illegals living in the US today than in 2007. So why is this a crisis right now? Why doesn't Trump just declare victory that is policies have been working, take credit, and move on? Trend lines haven't kept him from taking credit for the economy, so why isn't he just declaring victory for the drop in illegal immigration and moving on?


quote:

I said :
You are right, that illegal alien apprehensions are down from their historic peak. However, it is also true that the trend line is increasing now. Apprehensions bottomed to under 20,000 per month in the spring of 2017; since then the numbers have been steadily climbing as high as 3x.

In this chart you can see the recent history trend lines and also where FY2019 has started:



Ironically, CBP website is not updated due to the shutdown, but DHS has the December apprehensions/ inadmissibles for FY2019 were 60,782 marking the third straight month exceeding 60,000. Inadmissibles are those turned away at ports of entry, which average about 10,000 a month. This makes the captures between ports roughly 50,000 each month so far this FY, and that makes the third straight month of apprehensions over 50k.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2019/01/09/dhs-releases-southwest-border-enforceme nt-statistics

So illegal crossing apprehensions are climbing, and you will also see in the DHS link that family unit apprehensions for the first three months of FY19 are up 280% over the same time frame of FY2018.

Regarding the total numbers of illegals living in the US, you are correct in that according to Pew, the number has dropped from 1 million to maybe even as high has 2 million lower than 2007.

Although, there have been others suggesting the illegal alien population in the US considerably higher, such as an MIT-Yale study resulting in 16 to 29 million with 22.1 being their average - double the commonly referenced 11 million from polling data. Moral of the story, it is difficult to estimate the total number and there could be many more than is typically assumed.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-21/mit-yale-study-doubles-e stimates-of-u-s-undocumented-immigrants

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2018/10/09/som-study-estimates-higher-undocu mented-immigration-numbers/

I would submit that this has always been a crisis. And the reality is, it always will be a crisis.




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MartinD28 - 1/26/2019 at 08:47 PM

For those who would take shots a the Democrats for the shutdown or assign = blame, the below article has some great quotes from President Coulter & VP Lou Dobbs about Trump. This is entertainment at its best with right wingers going after a guy who posed as a Republican to get the nomination of that party.

"Controversial commentator Ann Coulter called Trump “the biggest wimp ever to serve as president” and Fox Business host Lou Dobbs said Trump had been “whipped” by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)."


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fox-news-apos-sean-hannity-130954545.ht ml


cyclone88 - 1/26/2019 at 10:26 PM

quote:

"Controversial commentator Ann Coulter called Trump “the biggest wimp ever to serve as president” and Fox Business host Lou Dobbs said Trump had been “whipped” by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)."



Just posted Coulter's quote on the Mueller thread:"Good news for George Herbert Walker Bush: As of today, he is no longer the biggest wimp ever to serve as President of the United States." Did she miss that #41 is past caring about such things & wouldn't be considering it good news?


nebish - 1/27/2019 at 02:36 PM

quote:
For those who would take shots a the Democrats for the shutdown or assign = blame, the below article has some great quotes from President Coulter & VP Lou Dobbs about Trump. This is entertainment at its best with right wingers going after a guy who posed as a Republican to get the nomination of that party.

"Controversial commentator Ann Coulter called Trump “the biggest wimp ever to serve as president” and Fox Business host Lou Dobbs said Trump had been “whipped” by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)."


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fox-news-apos-sean-hannity-130954545.ht ml


I actually heard some Trump supporters on my local talk radio show claim that he got a win on this (similar to the Hannity line "he holds all the cards").

These supporters of the President ignore the fact that just because he is President he doesn't get to dictate exactly what he wants. This is government, this is politics, this should be working with the otherside to get a little and give a little. But tell me, who actually does this today? Is that what America needs and wants, drastic one party swings controlling all meaningful legislation from session to session? Really, this is my problem with both sides, we've come to a point that both the Democrats and Republicans are resigned to the fact of just holding party line and pushing through legislation with their own majorities, other side be damned. Big and important legislation should never be purely partisan. It doesn't have to be that way, but they make it that way and the vocal extremes on the right and the left push for it to be that way and everyone else is like WTF?


BoytonBrother - 1/27/2019 at 04:47 PM

I’m not so sure this will hurt him among his base. They will also say that Trump is showing maturity and bipartisanship, a sign of a good leader that the left has been yearning for (if they were smart). Roger Stone’s defiance energized the anti-U.S. pro-Russia traitor crowd, giving the Trump train some much needed steam. The question remains - will Mueller be able to prevent the future pardons, and what strategy will he take moving forward. If Trump Jr. and Kushner are next, expect Trump to resign immediately.


cyclone88 - 1/27/2019 at 07:50 PM

quote:
If Trump Jr. and Kushner are next, expect Trump to resign immediately.


I'm genuinely interested as to why you think that (& you're not alone). Do you think he's afraid of what they'll say or trying to save them from prison?

Trump's never seemed enamored of his oldest kids other than Ivanka when she started modeling. He never saw them & was quite happy to walk away before/during/after the divorce from Ivana. [He seems to forget Tiffany exists.] I get the impression that he thinks he has an obligation to give the sons jobs & money so he can keep them on a short leash & they don't screw up too badly.

If any of them actually know something, it's Jared. Jared's father has served time & is shadier than Cohen's FIL. I can see DJT discrediting Jared as saying anything to protect his father.

Otherwise, I don't see DJT resigning for any reason other than he's bored w/playing president. It's not what he thought it would be.


2112 - 1/28/2019 at 12:29 AM

quote:
quote:
If Trump Jr. and Kushner are next, expect Trump to resign immediately.


I'm genuinely interested as to why you think that (& you're not alone). Do you think he's afraid of what they'll say or trying to save them from prison?

Trump's never seemed enamored of his oldest kids other than Ivanka when she started modeling. He never saw them & was quite happy to walk away before/during/after the divorce from Ivana. [He seems to forget Tiffany exists.] I get the impression that he thinks he has an obligation to give the sons jobs & money so he can keep them on a short leash & they don't screw up too badly.

If any of them actually know something, it's Jared. Jared's father has served time & is shadier than Cohen's FIL. I can see DJT discrediting Jared as saying anything to protect his father.

Otherwise, I don't see DJT resigning for any reason other than he's bored w/playing president. It's not what he thought it would be.


He won't resign. He can't pardon his family and friends if he isn't in office.

My guess is that Mueller is very aware that Trump will pardon his sons immediately if the are indicted, so if they are indicted it will be at the very last minute when his report is set to drop.


MartinD28 - 1/28/2019 at 12:45 AM

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If Trump Jr. and Kushner are next, expect Trump to resign immediately.


I'm genuinely interested as to why you think that (& you're not alone). Do you think he's afraid of what they'll say or trying to save them from prison?

Trump's never seemed enamored of his oldest kids other than Ivanka when she started modeling. He never saw them & was quite happy to walk away before/during/after the divorce from Ivana. [He seems to forget Tiffany exists.] I get the impression that he thinks he has an obligation to give the sons jobs & money so he can keep them on a short leash & they don't screw up too badly.

If any of them actually know something, it's Jared. Jared's father has served time & is shadier than Cohen's FIL. I can see DJT discrediting Jared as saying anything to protect his father.

Otherwise, I don't see DJT resigning for any reason other than he's bored w/playing president. It's not what he thought it would be.


He won't resign. He can't pardon his family and friends if he isn't in office.

My guess is that Mueller is very aware that Trump will pardon his sons immediately if the are indicted, so if they are indicted it will be at the very last minute when his report is set to drop.


Take a look at this article & video from way back in July of 2017 where DJT Jr let go on a whopper of a lie and denials. A whole lot has transpired since then. He has zero credibility.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/11/15953754/donald-trump-jr- cnn-russia-hacking-disgusting-
phony-dnc-election

Will be interesting to also see what happens of his alleged lying to Congress.


StratDal - 1/28/2019 at 02:24 AM

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For those who would take shots a the Democrats for the shutdown or assign = blame, the below article has some great quotes from President Coulter & VP Lou Dobbs about Trump. This is entertainment at its best with right wingers going after a guy who posed as a Republican to get the nomination of that party.

"Controversial commentator Ann Coulter called Trump “the biggest wimp ever to serve as president” and Fox Business host Lou Dobbs said Trump had been “whipped” by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)."


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fox-news-apos-sean-hannity-130954545.ht ml


I actually heard some Trump supporters on my local talk radio show claim that he got a win on this (similar to the Hannity line "he holds all the cards").

These supporters of the President ignore the fact that just because he is President he doesn't get to dictate exactly what he wants. This is government, this is politics, this should be working with the otherside to get a little and give a little. But tell me, who actually does this today? Is that what America needs and wants, drastic one party swings controlling all meaningful legislation from session to session? Really, this is my problem with both sides, we've come to a point that both the Democrats and Republicans are resigned to the fact of just holding party line and pushing through legislation with their own majorities, other side be damned. Big and important legislation should never be purely partisan. It doesn't have to be that way, but they make it that way and the vocal extremes on the right and the left push for it to be that way and everyone else is like WTF?



Best not to pay any attention to Trump supporters. Trump could say "2+2=5" and many of them would justify it one way or the other. Same is said for those who support "tax the rich 70 percent to pay for global warming" or "free college tuition for everyone".

If Trump would just shut-up and do his job (like many effective leaders), things wouldn't be so divisive and confrontational in our country. Unfortunately, divisiveness and confrontation is all he knows and preaches. IMO, after all the bluster, he's a very lonely and sad man.


BoytonBrother - 1/28/2019 at 03:02 AM

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I'm genuinely interested as to why you think that (& you're not alone). Do you think he's afraid of what they'll say or trying to save them from prison?


Because I think it will signify Mueller has something on Trump. There’s no way in hell Trump Jr and Kushner set up a meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower about using the stolen emails, without Trump knowing in advance and giving the ok. By indicting those two, Trump is the last final piece.....unless he resigns to avoid the trouble - a deal offered by Mueller - just go away or be indicted when you leave office. Trump can pardon his friends and family all he wants, but what good does that do him if Mueller decides to use what he has and indict him?



[Edited on 1/28/2019 by BoytonBrother]


cyclone88 - 1/28/2019 at 01:32 PM

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I'm genuinely interested as to why you think that (& you're not alone). Do you think he's afraid of what they'll say or trying to save them from prison?


Because I think it will signify Mueller has something on Trump. There’s no way in hell Trump Jr and Kushner set up a meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower about using the stolen emails, without Trump knowing in advance and giving the ok. By indicting those two, Trump is the last final piece.....unless he resigns to avoid the trouble - a deal offered by Mueller - just go away or be indicted when you leave office. Trump can pardon his friends and family all he wants, but what good does that do him if Mueller decides to use what he has and indict him?
[Edited on 1/28/2019 by BoytonBrother]


Thanks. You're right. Jr & Jared couldn't order lunch for a meeting much less set up the Russia conspiracy meeting on their own.

Trump, of course, could pardon them before they're indicted if he thought Mueller was getting close. Not clear that Trump can pardon himself, but Pence as his successor can.

We don't know that Trump (& others) haven't already been indicted under seal. I think Stone's indictment worked that way. What Trump CAN'T do is pardon crimes that are state not federal crimes. There are already 3 states looking/have looked at the campaign, business, and foundation.

IMO Trump regrets winning & can't find a way out.


Chain - 1/28/2019 at 10:39 PM

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I'm genuinely interested as to why you think that (& you're not alone). Do you think he's afraid of what they'll say or trying to save them from prison?


Because I think it will signify Mueller has something on Trump. There’s no way in hell Trump Jr and Kushner set up a meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower about using the stolen emails, without Trump knowing in advance and giving the ok. By indicting those two, Trump is the last final piece.....unless he resigns to avoid the trouble - a deal offered by Mueller - just go away or be indicted when you leave office. Trump can pardon his friends and family all he wants, but what good does that do him if Mueller decides to use what he has and indict him?
[Edited on 1/28/2019 by BoytonBrother]


Thanks. You're right. Jr & Jared couldn't order lunch for a meeting much less set up the Russia conspiracy meeting on their own.

Trump, of course, could pardon them before they're indicted if he thought Mueller was getting close. Not clear that Trump can pardon himself, but Pence as his successor can.

We don't know that Trump (& others) haven't already been indicted under seal. I think Stone's indictment worked that way. What Trump CAN'T do is pardon crimes that are state not federal crimes. There are already 3 states looking/have looked at the campaign, business, and foundation.

IMO Trump regrets winning & can't find a way out.


I think his biggest regret is that his own actions over the past 2.5 years have led to numerous investigations into his decades long illegal behavior. From Fred Trump's illegal tax evasion schemes to shelter his wealth for his children, to Donnie's decades long money laundering schemes for the mob, Russian oligarchs, foreign monarchies, etc. All which stand to come to light and may even land him and some of his family in prison.

But perhaps Little Donnie's biggest regret will prove to be the bursting of the bubble that suggests he's some sort of genius business man and financial guru. For many of us we knew he was nothing of the sort and only a good con man running a years long ponzi scheme.

Now, many more people around the world know he's nothing like what he portrays himself to be. For an egomaniac and narcissist like Trump, when the false perception implodes, it can prove devastating. He's potentially in for a hard fall and he knows it.


pops42 - 1/28/2019 at 11:44 PM

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I'm genuinely interested as to why you think that (& you're not alone). Do you think he's afraid of what they'll say or trying to save them from prison?


Because I think it will signify Mueller has something on Trump. There’s no way in hell Trump Jr and Kushner set up a meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower about using the stolen emails, without Trump knowing in advance and giving the ok. By indicting those two, Trump is the last final piece.....unless he resigns to avoid the trouble - a deal offered by Mueller - just go away or be indicted when you leave office. Trump can pardon his friends and family all he wants, but what good does that do him if Mueller decides to use what he has and indict him?
[Edited on 1/28/2019 by BoytonBrother]


Thanks. You're right. Jr & Jared couldn't order lunch for a meeting much less set up the Russia conspiracy meeting on their own.

Trump, of course, could pardon them before they're indicted if he thought Mueller was getting close. Not clear that Trump can pardon himself, but Pence as his successor can.

We don't know that Trump (& others) haven't already been indicted under seal. I think Stone's indictment worked that way. What Trump CAN'T do is pardon crimes that are state not federal crimes. There are already 3 states looking/have looked at the campaign, business, and foundation.

IMO Trump regrets winning & can't find a way out.


I think his biggest regret is that his own actions over the past 2.5 years have led to numerous investigations into his decades long illegal behavior. From Fred Trump's illegal tax evasion schemes to shelter his wealth for his children, to Donnie's decades long money laundering schemes for the mob, Russian oligarchs, foreign monarchies, etc. All which stand to come to light and may even land him and some of his family in prison.

But perhaps Little Donnie's biggest regret will prove to be the bursting of the bubble that suggests he's some sort of genius business man and financial guru. For many of us we knew he was nothing of the sort and only a good con man running a years long ponzi scheme.

Now, many more people around the world know he's nothing like what he portrays himself to be. For an egomaniac and narcissist like Trump, when the false perception implodes, it can prove devastating. He's potentially in for a hard fall and he knows it.
Maybe he will hang himself.


Chain - 1/30/2019 at 08:18 PM

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quote:
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I'm genuinely interested as to why you think that (& you're not alone). Do you think he's afraid of what they'll say or trying to save them from prison?


Because I think it will signify Mueller has something on Trump. There’s no way in hell Trump Jr and Kushner set up a meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower about using the stolen emails, without Trump knowing in advance and giving the ok. By indicting those two, Trump is the last final piece.....unless he resigns to avoid the trouble - a deal offered by Mueller - just go away or be indicted when you leave office. Trump can pardon his friends and family all he wants, but what good does that do him if Mueller decides to use what he has and indict him?
[Edited on 1/28/2019 by BoytonBrother]


Thanks. You're right. Jr & Jared couldn't order lunch for a meeting much less set up the Russia conspiracy meeting on their own.

Trump, of course, could pardon them before they're indicted if he thought Mueller was getting close. Not clear that Trump can pardon himself, but Pence as his successor can.

We don't know that Trump (& others) haven't already been indicted under seal. I think Stone's indictment worked that way. What Trump CAN'T do is pardon crimes that are state not federal crimes. There are already 3 states looking/have looked at the campaign, business, and foundation.

IMO Trump regrets winning & can't find a way out.


I think his biggest regret is that his own actions over the past 2.5 years have led to numerous investigations into his decades long illegal behavior. From Fred Trump's illegal tax evasion schemes to shelter his wealth for his children, to Donnie's decades long money laundering schemes for the mob, Russian oligarchs, foreign monarchies, etc. All which stand to come to light and may even land him and some of his family in prison.

But perhaps Little Donnie's biggest regret will prove to be the bursting of the bubble that suggests he's some sort of genius business man and financial guru. For many of us we knew he was nothing of the sort and only a good con man running a years long ponzi scheme.

Now, many more people around the world know he's nothing like what he portrays himself to be. For an egomaniac and narcissist like Trump, when the false perception implodes, it can prove devastating. He's potentially in for a hard fall and he knows it.
Maybe he will hang himself.


He better have a strong rope as his fat @ss may snap the rope well before the rope snaps his neck. All kidding aside, he looks like he's aged a decade and put on about 30 pounds in pretty short order. I suppose being caught between Vlad Putin, Robert Mueller, and Anne Coulter will do that to a man..


MartinD28 - 1/30/2019 at 11:10 PM

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quote:
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quote:
I'm genuinely interested as to why you think that (& you're not alone). Do you think he's afraid of what they'll say or trying to save them from prison?


Because I think it will signify Mueller has something on Trump. There’s no way in hell Trump Jr and Kushner set up a meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower about using the stolen emails, without Trump knowing in advance and giving the ok. By indicting those two, Trump is the last final piece.....unless he resigns to avoid the trouble - a deal offered by Mueller - just go away or be indicted when you leave office. Trump can pardon his friends and family all he wants, but what good does that do him if Mueller decides to use what he has and indict him?
[Edited on 1/28/2019 by BoytonBrother]


Thanks. You're right. Jr & Jared couldn't order lunch for a meeting much less set up the Russia conspiracy meeting on their own.

Trump, of course, could pardon them before they're indicted if he thought Mueller was getting close. Not clear that Trump can pardon himself, but Pence as his successor can.

We don't know that Trump (& others) haven't already been indicted under seal. I think Stone's indictment worked that way. What Trump CAN'T do is pardon crimes that are state not federal crimes. There are already 3 states looking/have looked at the campaign, business, and foundation.

IMO Trump regrets winning & can't find a way out.


I think his biggest regret is that his own actions over the past 2.5 years have led to numerous investigations into his decades long illegal behavior. From Fred Trump's illegal tax evasion schemes to shelter his wealth for his children, to Donnie's decades long money laundering schemes for the mob, Russian oligarchs, foreign monarchies, etc. All which stand to come to light and may even land him and some of his family in prison.

But perhaps Little Donnie's biggest regret will prove to be the bursting of the bubble that suggests he's some sort of genius business man and financial guru. For many of us we knew he was nothing of the sort and only a good con man running a years long ponzi scheme.

Now, many more people around the world know he's nothing like what he portrays himself to be. For an egomaniac and narcissist like Trump, when the false perception implodes, it can prove devastating. He's potentially in for a hard fall and he knows it.
Maybe he will hang himself.


He better have a strong rope as his fat @ss may snap the rope well before the rope snaps his neck. All kidding aside, he looks like he's aged a decade and put on about 30 pounds in pretty short order. I suppose being caught between Vlad Putin, Robert Mueller, and Anne Coulter will do that to a man..


True dat but the squirrel sitting on top of his head seems to still be a healthy orange or blond or whatever color it is.


gina - 1/31/2019 at 08:33 PM

Nancy Pelosi said today there will be no money for the wall, she wants MORE ports of entry!

“There’s not going to be any wall money in the legislation,” the top House Democrat told reporters, adding that more ports of entry or additional border technology was on the table for negotiation."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shutdown/pelosi-no-wall-money-in-u-s -border-deal-talks-idUSKCN1PP28J


REMARKS: The Democrats and Republicans are NOT on the same page at all. The Democrats want more ports of entry for people to come into the US. I would like to think that she means people legally applying for asylum who have something to contribute to the US, but this fight between both sides has been about ILLEGAL immigration so we really need some clarification from Congresss!


gina - 2/1/2019 at 09:07 PM

2-1-19

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/428064-trump-good-chance-i-will -declare-emergency-to-build-wall

President Trump said Friday there is a “good chance” he will declare a national emergency to circumvent Congress and build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

“I think there’s a good chance we’ll have to do that,” Trump told reporters in the Cabinet Room of the White House.

The president suggested he may reveal more details about his plan to build the wall in Tuesday's State of the Union address, saying people should “listen closely” to the speech.



MartinD28 - 2/1/2019 at 10:01 PM

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2-1-19

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/428064-trump-good-chance-i-will -declare-emergency-to-build-wall

President Trump said Friday there is a “good chance” he will declare a national emergency to circumvent Congress and build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

“I think there’s a good chance we’ll have to do that,” Trump told reporters in the Cabinet Room of the White House.

The president suggested he may reveal more details about his plan to build the wall in Tuesday's State of the Union address, saying people should “listen closely” to the speech.





If this finds its way to SCOTUS, it will be interesting to see how his appointees view his facade of an emergency.


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