Thread: Eat a Peach for imPEACHment?

crazyjoe - 12/9/2018 at 03:03 PM

Well, it's almost time, this should be interesting..........Peace.......joe

[Edited on 12/9/2018 by crazyjoe]


nebish - 12/9/2018 at 05:08 PM

What's it all going to look like when the **** hits the fan?


allmanned - 12/11/2018 at 02:41 PM

Trump hes Bat **** Crazy.


lukester420 - 12/11/2018 at 03:31 PM

Iíve thought a lot about this and honestly I donít know if impeachment is the best option. Yes Trump is an embarassament and a disgusting human but his impeachment would just radicalize his racist, gun toting psychotic supporters.

Not only do we have to worry about the cultural backlash of the Nazi scum having their fearless spokesman impeached but we then have an unstable hate filled religious zealot like Mike Pence in the Oval Office, and what will be his first move, pardon Trump of course.


BIGV - 12/11/2018 at 04:06 PM

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Iíve thought a lot about this and honestly I donít know if impeachment is the best option. Yes Trump is an embarassament and a disgusting human but his impeachment would just radicalize his racist, gun toting psychotic supporters.

Not only do we have to worry about the cultural backlash of the Nazi scum having their fearless spokesman impeached but we then have an unstable hate filled religious zealot like Mike Pence in the Oval Office, and what will be his first move, pardon Trump of course.


Wow. You disparage half the nation with these words, not a very optimistic outlook for the future.

I guess the only person who can save us from disaster is a forward thinking Liberal Socialist, like Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!


BoytonBrother - 12/11/2018 at 04:49 PM

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Iíve thought a lot about this and honestly I donít know if impeachment is the best option. Yes Trump is an embarassament and a disgusting human but his impeachment would just radicalize his racist, gun toting psychotic supporters.

Not only do we have to worry about the cultural backlash of the Nazi scum having their fearless spokesman impeached but we then have an unstable hate filled religious zealot like Mike Pence in the Oval Office, and what will be his first move, pardon Trump of course.


Iíll take Penceís politics just to get rid of Trump. As for a pardon? Fine, just go away and go back to building hotels. As for his supporters, let them throw their tantrums, and let them get arrested for whatever they try, and let them ruin their own lives. The law will always prevail as Mueller is proving. The strong will always survive. Let them expose themselves and self-destruct.


pops42 - 12/11/2018 at 05:00 PM

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Iíve thought a lot about this and honestly I donít know if impeachment is the best option. Yes Trump is an embarassament and a disgusting human but his impeachment would just radicalize his racist, gun toting psychotic supporters.

Not only do we have to worry about the cultural backlash of the Nazi scum having their fearless spokesman impeached but we then have an unstable hate filled religious zealot like Mike Pence in the Oval Office, and what will be his first move, pardon Trump of course.


Wow. You disparage half the nation with these words, not a very optimistic outlook for the future.

I guess the only person who can save us from disaster is a forward thinking Liberal Socialist, like Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!
so, a con man , felon, traitor to the U.S. is a better choice for president to you?.



BoytonBrother - 12/11/2018 at 05:15 PM

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Wow. You disparage half the nation with these words, not a very optimistic outlook for the future.


And how is your language about liberals any different?

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I guess the only person who can save us from disaster is a forward thinking Liberal Socialist, like Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!


Who said this? The Strawman strikes again.


BIGV - 12/11/2018 at 05:27 PM

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And how is your language about liberals any different?


Let's see, the terms, "Nazi"..."Psychotic"..."Disgusting"..."Racist"..."Scum"...words I have never used in describing anyone, even the Hillary.

That is how.

Once again, not painting an overly optimistic view of half of the voting populace now is it?

That is my only point.


MartinD28 - 12/11/2018 at 05:34 PM

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And how is your language about liberals any different?


Let's see, the terms, "Nazi"..."Psychotic"..."Disgusting"..."Racist"..."Scum"...words I have never used in describing anyone, even the Hillary.

That is how.

Once again, not painting an overly optimistic view of half of the voting populace now is it?

That is my only point.


Where do you come up with 1/2 of voting population reflects those views? We're not talking some arbitrary 50 50 split between Republicans vs Democrats.


BoytonBrother - 12/11/2018 at 05:42 PM

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Let's see, the terms, "Nazi"..."Psychotic"..."Disgusting"..."Racist"..."Scum"...words I have never used in describing anyone, even the Hillary.

That is how._


I see. In your softer disparagement of liberals, you are painting an overly optimistic view of the voting populace?


BIGV - 12/11/2018 at 05:51 PM

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And how is your language about liberals any different?


Let's see, the terms, "Nazi"..."Psychotic"..."Disgusting"..."Racist"..."Scum"...words I have never used in describing anyone, even the Hillary.

That is how.

Once again, not painting an overly optimistic view of half of the voting populace now is it?

That is my only point.


Where do you come up with 1/2 of voting population reflects those views? We're not talking some arbitrary 50 50 split between Republicans vs Democrats.


Forgive me!.....Almost half


BIGV - 12/11/2018 at 05:56 PM

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softer disparagement


Give me a break. What the Hell does this even mean? LOL...

I can simply state that I disagree with you, or I can drop into the gutter using terms like the ones above.

If intellect is judged on the utterance of verbiage like that, then I guess you win.


MartinD28 - 12/11/2018 at 06:04 PM

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And how is your language about liberals any different?


Let's see, the terms, "Nazi"..."Psychotic"..."Disgusting"..."Racist"..."Scum"...words I have never used in describing anyone, even the Hillary.

That is how.

Once again, not painting an overly optimistic view of half of the voting populace now is it?

That is my only point.


Where do you come up with 1/2 of voting population reflects those views? We're not talking some arbitrary 50 50 split between Republicans vs Democrats.


Forgive me!.....Almost half


Sorry - not buying 1/2 or "almost half" of the population have those views. Can you tell us where you're coming up that percentage?


BoytonBrother - 12/11/2018 at 06:05 PM

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Where do you come up with 1/2 of voting population reflects those views? We're not talking some arbitrary 50 50 split between Republicans vs Democrats.


Not only that, but lukester only mentioned the racist Nazis that love him, like the Charlottesville terrorist. He. never said anything about all Trump voters. Interesting that it was taken to mean all Republican voters.


BoytonBrother - 12/11/2018 at 06:09 PM

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Give me a break. What the Hell does this even mean? LOL...

I can simply state that I disagree with you, or I can drop into the gutter using terms like the ones above.

If intellect is judged on the utterance of verbiage like that, then I guess you win.


Zzzzzzz. Never mind




[Edited on 12/11/2018 by BoytonBrother]


BIGV - 12/11/2018 at 06:11 PM

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Give me a break. What the Hell does this even mean? LOL...

I can simply state that I disagree with you, or I can drop into the gutter using terms like the ones above.

If intellect is judged on the utterance of verbiage like that, then I guess you win.


Zzzzzzz. Never mind


My sentiments exactly


lukester420 - 12/11/2018 at 10:32 PM

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Where do you come up with 1/2 of voting population reflects those views? We're not talking some arbitrary 50 50 split between Republicans vs Democrats.


Not only that, but lukester only mentioned the racist Nazis that love him, like the Charlottesville terrorist. He. never said anything about all Trump voters. Interesting that it was taken to mean all Republican voters.


Thank you. At least a few folks have reading comprehension skills. As usual BIG man is so busy being a victim and jumping to the defense of of his beloved Republican party. I said nothing about everyone who voted for him, I described a fringe group of Trump supporters who are indeed openly racist, nazi scumbags, and of course it was taken as a personal attack by those who are overly sensitive about white supremacists being labeled as scum...


lukester420 - 12/11/2018 at 10:42 PM

And where does congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez fit into a thread about Trump's possible impeachment? Are you really That eager to disparage a young liberal woman with an ethnic sounding last name?


BrerRabbit - 12/11/2018 at 10:46 PM

Disliking a president is not sufficient grounds for impeachment.


cyclone88 - 12/11/2018 at 11:00 PM

Unless Mueller has loads of stuff in addition to all that redacted detail he's released so far, I don't think anyone has the stomach to start impeachment proceedings over bungled hush payments to women.

The enormous impact on impeachment by this new dem house majority is over-rated IMO. A lot of the newly elected are DC neophytes & political amateurs. They could grossly miscalculate their likelihood of success.


MartinD28 - 12/11/2018 at 11:15 PM

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And where does congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez fit into a thread about Trump's possible impeachment? Are you really That eager to disparage a young liberal woman with an ethnic sounding last name?


X2

She is one of the newly elected members of Congress who reflect a makeup consistent with a changing America. Her views are not stagnant of the old white dominated makeup of America of yesteryear. Whether people want to admit it, the population makeup of our country is changing. What is interesting is that for the most part, the GOP Senate & House members look like they did 50 or 100 years ago. At least the Democrats seem to be keeping up with changing demographics.


MartinD28 - 12/11/2018 at 11:22 PM

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Unless Mueller has loads of stuff in addition to all that redacted detail he's released so far, I don't think anyone has the stomach to start impeachment proceedings over bungled hush payments to women.

The enormous impact on impeachment by this new dem house majority is over-rated IMO. A lot of the newly elected are DC neophytes & political amateurs. They could grossly miscalculate their likelihood of success.




You are probably correct. The unknown is what's in the redactions as well as any other things Mueller releases as time moves forward. I suspect there's some other good stuff about to drop.

The best option to rid this country of Trump & his toxicity is at the polls.

It is possible that if things get too bad for him and if the GOP takes a good dose of smelling sauce, they might see that he becomes more of a liability than someone they want to continue enabling. If that is the case, they might try to primary him out. That would represent quite a game of the base vs reality.


BrerRabbit - 12/12/2018 at 12:50 AM

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The best option to rid this country of Trump & his toxicity is at the polls.


Agree. Impeachment is a double edged sword.


nebish - 12/12/2018 at 02:18 AM

I believe very early on actually and remember posting it here that I didn't think Trump would run again because he couldn't stand to lose it now that he won it. Very difficult to see him winning reelection and one would have to think that he can see or will see as much a year from now. I could see him finding a way to get out of it. Of course maybe he'll get impeached or indicted...with this Presidency, really who knows what the future holds!


BrerRabbit - 12/12/2018 at 02:27 AM

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really who knows what the future holds!


Exciting times, to say the least. Glad I lived long enough to see the show.


nebish - 12/12/2018 at 02:33 AM

As a child, I never really knew how many people hated Reagan. Being a teenager when HW lost to Clinton the only thing I thought people didn't like about him was he wasn't hip and cool like Bill was. Then I got into news and opinion and all and I saw all that went on during the Clinton years and the W years and the Obama years and now the Trump years. The level of hatred and discontent with each President gets higher and higher and higher each term. Certainly seems like it can't get any higher than it can right now, but something tells me it probably will.

Whether or not Trump should be impeached I can't say right now. Maybe all the conflicts of interest are enough, maybe not. Maybe the campaign finance stuff is enough, maybe not. Maybe Mueller will come up with enough, maybe not. But if it were to happen I am pretty sure it will be galvanizing on the right the **** is going to fly everywhere and could even undermine a potential Democrat 2020 Presidency win if the backlash on the right is strong enough.....who knows....but yeah, very interesting times. Going to hell in a bucket, at least enjoy the ride.


OriginalGoober - 12/12/2018 at 02:34 AM

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Well, it's almost time, this should be interesting..........Peace.......joe

[Edited on 12/9/2018 by crazyjoe]


This means alot, coming from someone who believed she wiped her server with a cloth.







BoytonBrother - 12/12/2018 at 03:05 AM

ďHerĒ........how creepy.


cyclone88 - 12/12/2018 at 04:37 AM

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I believe very early on actually and remember posting it here that I didn't think Trump would run again because he couldn't stand to lose it now that he won it. Very difficult to see him winning reelection and one would have to think that he can see or will see as much a year from now. I could see him finding a way to get out of it. Of course maybe he'll get impeached or indicted...with this Presidency, really who knows what the future holds!


I believed early on that he would be stunned to find out he wasn't king & couldn't do whatever he wanted, anxious about the ability of his kids to actually make all the deals he was technically prevented from doing, and so bored of watching TV/eating chips every night he'd quit after 6 weeks. I was wrong. Some days, I still think he's just going to say, "Screw this. I'd rather be in Trump Tower than the White House. This job is for losers."


2112 - 12/12/2018 at 09:24 AM

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I believe very early on actually and remember posting it here that I didn't think Trump would run again because he couldn't stand to lose it now that he won it. Very difficult to see him winning reelection and one would have to think that he can see or will see as much a year from now. I could see him finding a way to get out of it. Of course maybe he'll get impeached or indicted...with this Presidency, really who knows what the future holds!


He will run again and he will not resign, and here's why. I just read an article (on Fox News of all places) that talks about the state of NY has been investigating Trump as part of the Cohen investigation. It is clear that they (NY) have enough evidence to indict Trump on campaign finance crimes. However, they can not indict a sitting president. So, if Trump serves only one term, they can indict Trump after he leaves office. If he serves a second term, the statute of limitations will have expired and he will have nothing to worry about.


cyclone88 - 12/12/2018 at 12:03 PM


He will run again and he will not resign, and here's why. I just read an article (on Fox News of all places) that talks about the state of NY has been investigating Trump as part of the Cohen investigation. It is clear that they (NY) have enough evidence to indict Trump on campaign finance crimes. However, they can not indict a sitting president. So, if Trump serves only one term, they can indict Trump after he leaves office. If he serves a second term, the statute of limitations will have expired and he will have nothing to worry about.


There are both federal & state charges that could await DJT if he leaves office before the SOL runs. However, they aren't so air-tight that they would necessarily be charged never mind successfully prosecuted. Even if he were charged, DJT would believe he'd beat them. I don't think DJT is worried about them.

My scenario is merely wishful thinking.


MartinD28 - 12/12/2018 at 12:57 PM

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I believe very early on actually and remember posting it here that I didn't think Trump would run again because he couldn't stand to lose it now that he won it. Very difficult to see him winning reelection and one would have to think that he can see or will see as much a year from now. I could see him finding a way to get out of it. Of course maybe he'll get impeached or indicted...with this Presidency, really who knows what the future holds!


He will run again and he will not resign, and here's why. I just read an article (on Fox News of all places) that talks about the state of NY has been investigating Trump as part of the Cohen investigation. It is clear that they (NY) have enough evidence to indict Trump on campaign finance crimes. However, they can not indict a sitting president. So, if Trump serves only one term, they can indict Trump after he leaves office. If he serves a second term, the statute of limitations will have expired and he will have nothing to worry about.

Trump running again does not guarantee him a victory. He galvanized many different factions of the population to come out in record numbers to vote against the GOP in midterms. His tweets, big mouth, lies, and supporting dictators are probably enough for the electorate to see a repeat if he runs again. Michigan, PA, and Wisconsin shifted in the midterms, and those are the marginal votes that gave him his victory. Doubtful those 3 states will vote for him next time. One term for Dictator Don. MAGA.


2112 - 12/12/2018 at 05:58 PM

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He will run again and he will not resign, and here's why. I just read an article (on Fox News of all places) that talks about the state of NY has been investigating Trump as part of the Cohen investigation. It is clear that they (NY) have enough evidence to indict Trump on campaign finance crimes. However, they can not indict a sitting president. So, if Trump serves only one term, they can indict Trump after he leaves office. If he serves a second term, the statute of limitations will have expired and he will have nothing to worry about.


There are both federal & state charges that could await DJT if he leaves office before the SOL runs. However, they aren't so air-tight that they would necessarily be charged never mind successfully prosecuted. Even if he were charged, DJT would believe he'd beat them. I don't think DJT is worried about them.

My scenario is merely wishful thinking.


Maybe Trump is confident that lawyers could beat the charges. He does hire only the best lawyers, like Rudy Giuliani and Michael Cohen. I'm sure he has nothing to worry about.


pops42 - 12/12/2018 at 10:36 PM

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He will run again and he will not resign, and here's why. I just read an article (on Fox News of all places) that talks about the state of NY has been investigating Trump as part of the Cohen investigation. It is clear that they (NY) have enough evidence to indict Trump on campaign finance crimes. However, they can not indict a sitting president. So, if Trump serves only one term, they can indict Trump after he leaves office. If he serves a second term, the statute of limitations will have expired and he will have nothing to worry about.


There are both federal & state charges that could await DJT if he leaves office before the SOL runs. However, they aren't so air-tight that they would necessarily be charged never mind successfully prosecuted. Even if he were charged, DJT would believe he'd beat them. I don't think DJT is worried about them.

My scenario is merely wishful thinking.


Maybe Trump is confident that lawyers could beat the charges. He does hire only the best lawyers, like Rudy Giuliani and Michael Cohen. I'm sure he has nothing to worry about.


gina - 12/12/2018 at 11:17 PM

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Iíve thought a lot about this and honestly I donít know if impeachment is the best option. Yes Trump is an embarassament and a disgusting human but his impeachment would just radicalize his racist, gun toting psychotic supporters.

Not only do we have to worry about the cultural backlash of the Nazi scum having their fearless spokesman impeached but we then have an unstable hate filled religious zealot like Mike Pence in the Oval Office, and what will be his first move, pardon Trump of course.


Iíll take Penceís politics just to get rid of Trump. As for a pardon? Fine, just go away and go back to building hotels. As for his supporters, let them throw their tantrums, and let them get arrested for whatever they try, and let them ruin their own lives. The law will always prevail as Mueller is proving. The strong will always survive. Let them expose themselves and self-destruct.


You know you may be onto something. We could build luxury hotels on the US side of the border and let the undocumented work in them for pennies on the dollar, give them substandard housing and see if they want to stay in this country.


gina - 12/12/2018 at 11:18 PM

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I believe very early on actually and remember posting it here that I didn't think Trump would run again because he couldn't stand to lose it now that he won it. Very difficult to see him winning reelection and one would have to think that he can see or will see as much a year from now. I could see him finding a way to get out of it. Of course maybe he'll get impeached or indicted...with this Presidency, really who knows what the future holds!


I believed early on that he would be stunned to find out he wasn't king & couldn't do whatever he wanted, anxious about the ability of his kids to actually make all the deals he was technically prevented from doing, and so bored of watching TV/eating chips every night he'd quit after 6 weeks. I was wrong. Some days, I still think he's just going to say, "Screw this. I'd rather be in Trump Tower than the White House. This job is for losers."


Like Jake and Elwood he's on a mission from God!


lukester420 - 12/13/2018 at 12:19 PM

Ladies and gentlemen I give you Gina, the thread killer, no ability to comment on the topic but always good for a few digs at Hispanic people.


gina - 12/17/2018 at 05:25 PM

Ethnicity has nothing to do with it. The problem is a group of people want to come here and just get housing, medical benefits and good jobs. They want to come in illegally and then receive these things. They happen to be Central Americans, they could be any other group. They think they can just push their way in and then America has to take care of them. No other country allows that why should we? On a humanitarian basis? They are not from countries where war is going on, they are not refugees, they just choose to want to leave their lands and go someplace else. Well there are jobs in Mexico and other countries where they could work. They could go to the coastlines and work in resorts in Mexico the same way they would work in restaurants or hotels here. They could find factories in Mexico where many US jobs have went and work there. They could raise their own standards of living by migrating to countries, towns and cities with better jobs, housing, but they don't have to come thousands of miles to here to do that.


BrerRabbit - 12/17/2018 at 06:06 PM

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They are not from countries where war is going on, they are not refugees, they just choose to want to leave their lands


The Central American "Northern Triangle" has the highest rate of homicide and violence in the world. It is a war zone. Completely destabilized by narco gang wars and police state retaliation - heavily funded by the US, also fueled by US and European demand for cocaine and heroin.

Educate yourself:

http://www.thebrokeronline.eu/Articles/Drugs-and-violence-in-the-Northern-T riangle


lukester420 - 12/21/2018 at 03:29 PM

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They are not from countries where war is going on, they are not refugees, they just choose to want to leave their lands


The Central American "Northern Triangle" has the highest rate of homicide and violence in the world. It is a war zone. Completely destabilized by narco gang wars and police state retaliation - heavily funded by the US, also fueled by US and European demand for cocaine and heroin.

Educate yourself:

http://www.thebrokeronline.eu/Articles/Drugs-and-violence-in-the-Northern-T riangle


They are not refugees.... hahahahahah!
If it has nothing to do with ethnicity why is it that you always target Hispanic people? Why donít you post another comment about s*** burritos? If you want to be a xenophobe thatís your right, but donít try to hide it


crazyjoe - 12/21/2018 at 04:04 PM

It's my opinion, that the Republican leaders (that remain), should physically storm the White House and drag this orange pile of sh!t from the premises and reclaim what's left of Their party!!! Pence just has the look of a dumbfounded lost puppy dog, better than Trump (as pretty much all human beings are), but he still wouldn't be Your long term guy to restore, any semblance of respectability to the party, I still believe there are good solid genuine Folks on both sides, but reason, consideration of others, honesty and pretty much all come under serious attack in the last 2 years.......Peace.......joe


BoytonBrother - 1/4/2019 at 02:54 PM

I think itís a big mistake if Democrats pursue impeachment, especially before the conclusion of the Mueller investigation. I donít see any justification unless Mueller determines Trump committed a crime. If they begin the impeachment process, and Mueller comes up empty on Trump himself, then Democrats will have zero chance to win in 2020.



[Edited on 1/4/2019 by BoytonBrother]


crazyjoe - 1/4/2019 at 03:49 PM

Yeah, I just read a bit, I guess it's not something to be pursued lightly, it's a serious matter with all types of implications, the small piece i read said impeachment should be used in a non-partisan, non-political type way, when the evidence of violations or comprouse of integrity, the type that threatens or National integrity or safety or world position...I would say that we, while maybe not there yet, are approaching a point where there is no choice but for Democrats to start proceedings to save our Country from complete devastation from this terrifically corrupt administration???.......Peace........joe


MartinD28 - 1/4/2019 at 04:19 PM

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I think itís a big mistake if Democrats pursue impeachment, especially before the conclusion of the Mueller investigation. I donít see any justification unless Mueller determines Trump committed a crime. If they begin the impeachment process, and Mueller comes up empty on Trump himself, then Democrats will have zero chance to win in 2020.



[Edited on 1/4/2019 by BoytonBrother]


Agree. I think they should wait on Mueller & follow his lead / findings. I'm thinking they need to be methodical in approach to impeaching Banana Republic Don.

I am concerned that if it gets to this & if there is ample cause that the GOP Senate will still turn their backs. They have been nothing but enablers of Trumpco so far, and my feeling is the only thing that would make them come to senses is if they see their own seats and humongous benefits in jeopardy.

I do think that the next year & few months will show more damage that Trump has inflicted and hopefully voters will be smart enough this time to realize how destructive & dangerous Trump has been. I think the mid terms are an indication of what to expect.


BrerRabbit - 1/4/2019 at 04:28 PM


The ultra right extremist posts here dropped off precipitously after the midterms.


BoytonBrother - 1/4/2019 at 05:32 PM

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I am concerned that if it gets to this & if there is ample cause that the GOP Senate will still turn their backs. They have been nothing but enablers of Trumpco so far, and my feeling is the only thing that would make them come to senses is if they see their own seats and humongous benefits in jeopardy.


That would be horrible, but if Mueller charges that Trump knew in advance and gave Russia the green light to send the emails to Wikileaks, or whatever the theory is, then I can't imagine any Senator turning a blind eye to that, but what do I know about Washington. I guess anything is possible these days.

I still can't understand why Trump supporters seem to accept "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you cyber-attack the American government, you'll be rewarded by our media." Imagine hearing a candidate say that, and then voting for him........because they didn't like being name-called by liberals. Way to rise above it conservatives!!! You sure showed us all, lol.


BoytonBrother - 1/4/2019 at 05:37 PM

Democrats in Washington should forget about impeachment unless Mueller finds something on him, and only focus on a winning strategy in 2020 with a winning candidate, that's it. I'm afraid they will blow it again unfortunately, unless a young newcomer brings their A-game like Obama did, but that's a longshot. What I fear is a Trump-bashing competition, instead of being inspirational with HOW they will create positive change. Learn from Obama.


cyclone88 - 1/4/2019 at 06:58 PM

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Democrats in Washington should forget about impeachment unless Mueller finds something on him, and only focus on a winning strategy in 2020 with a winning candidate, that's it. I'm afraid they will blow it again unfortunately, unless a young newcomer brings their A-game like Obama did, but that's a longshot. What I fear is a Trump-bashing competition, instead of being inspirational with HOW they will create positive change. Learn from Obama.


X2

The Dems appear to have kept it off the table unless Mueller finds an impeachable offense. He's already an unindicted party in the SDNY & no one is using that as impeachment leverage.

There are plenty of state (NY plus 2 others) investigations going that could result in criminal charges v. DJT. It's wrong to blithely assume that a sitting president can't be indicted. Anyone relying on that isn't relying on law. It's an internal DOJ MEMO. I'd rather hear that announced by SCOTUS.

I wish the newbie Dems would watch & listen for at least a week before running their mouths. No one needs to publicly call DJT "expletive deleted." I, too, wish there was more "doing" than "criticizing" & "jaw-dropping" by both parties. Seems the only ones who speak up have left or are on the way out except Romney & his piece was about character not policy.

One pundit said Warren has already mis-stepped by talking about what she will "fight for" when the country in general is tired of fighting. We [used to] expect legislatures & presidents to govern & lead not battle internally.


BrerRabbit - 1/4/2019 at 07:12 PM

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the country in general is tired of fighting.


Not a good time to be tired of fighting. This is just the beginning. Trump needs to be called out - the reason it sounds like bashing is that he really is that bad.


BoytonBrother - 1/4/2019 at 08:10 PM

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Not a good time to be tired of fighting. This is just the beginning. Trump needs to be called out - the reason it sounds like bashing is that he really is that bad.


Even attack dog Warren will lose to Trump in a battle of degrading verbal attacks. I just don't see that strategy working. He can be taken down easily by someone who is cool, calm, inspirational, and a positive role model. Can you imagine a debate between Obama and Trump? I'd feel bad for Trump....I'd have to look away in shame for how bad he'd look in comparison. They just need a qualified candidate who can rise above the Trump game, and demonstrate a better option that the mess we have now.


MartinD28 - 1/4/2019 at 09:33 PM

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Not a good time to be tired of fighting. This is just the beginning. Trump needs to be called out - the reason it sounds like bashing is that he really is that bad.


Even attack dog Warren will lose to Trump in a battle of degrading verbal attacks. I just don't see that strategy working. He can be taken down easily by someone who is cool, calm, inspirational, and a positive role model. Can you imagine a debate between Obama and Trump? I'd feel bad for Trump....I'd have to look away in shame for how bad he'd look in comparison. They just need a qualified candidate who can rise above the Trump game, and demonstrate a better option that the mess we have now.


I think there are two lanes to this road. The first lane you have articulated well.

I truly believe the second lane is that enough Americans have been energized and seen what Trump is and isn't. By being himself, he has mobilized large blocks of voters for various causes that have one thing in common - all are against Trump, his mouth, his policies, and his actions. For example - a record number of women marched against Trump and then ran in elections all over this country. Look at the record number of Dem women elected in the HOR.

As I previously mentioned, the midterms showed overpowering numbers of Dems who voted against Trump. In campaign mode, it was Trump who said he was on the ballot. If Trump continues to be himself and alienate all but his never expanding base, expect the results to translate to one term for Trump. With that said, as long as the Dems don't run a divisive candidate, they should rid this country of Trump. There are enough skilled individuals who, if they don't veer off course too much, should have enough thrust of the population to oust Trump and his sewer of an inner circle.


2112 - 1/4/2019 at 09:49 PM

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I am concerned that if it gets to this & if there is ample cause that the GOP Senate will still turn their backs. They have been nothing but enablers of Trumpco so far, and my feeling is the only thing that would make them come to senses is if they see their own seats and humongous benefits in jeopardy.


That would be horrible, but if Mueller charges that Trump knew in advance and gave Russia the green light to send the emails to Wikileaks, or whatever the theory is, then I can't imagine any Senator turning a blind eye to that, but what do I know about Washington. I guess anything is possible these days.

I still can't understand why Trump supporters seem to accept "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you cyber-attack the American government, you'll be rewarded by our media." Imagine hearing a candidate say that, and then voting for him........because they didn't like being name-called by liberals. Way to rise above it conservatives!!! You sure showed us all, lol.


It will take a lot for Republican senators to vote to remove Trump from office. There will need to be something really big for the senate to vote to remove him. Let's face it - the majority of Republicans still support Trump dispite all the lying. All Trump has to do is yell "fake news" and the majority of his supporters will fall in line without even looking at whatever evidence is presented by Mueller. Didn't we just see this played out at a Supreme Court confirmation hearing? Never underestimate the power of partisonship over country. So, as much as I want to see Trump removed from office ASAP, the house should be very careful to impeach Trump unless there is undeniable and overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing, which there probably will be at some point.


OriginalGoober - 1/5/2019 at 01:10 AM

Its not happening. Ever.


2112 - 1/5/2019 at 03:33 AM

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Its not happening. Ever.


Right now I would say the odds that the house will impeach Trump are greater than 50%, but the chance of him being removed depends on what is in the Mueller report, and is probably around 15% - which is probably slightly lower odds than his getting reelected.


Chain - 1/5/2019 at 04:59 PM

Forget impeachment and just show up to the polls in November 2020....In the meantime the Dem controlled House should pass progressive legislation repeatedly and force the Senate and Little Donnie to ignore or veto it thus showing over and over again what party seems more in tune with most Americans. Force the Repubs. to continually show their true colors in other words as a way to gain support from the Independents still on the fence.

Along with this strategy, continue via constant House investigations to shine the light on the corruption, illegality, and ineptness of this administration AND the Repubs. in Congress who are allowing it to continue.


MartinD28 - 1/5/2019 at 07:48 PM

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Forget impeachment and just show up to the polls in November 2020....In the meantime the Dem controlled House should pass progressive legislation repeatedly and force the Senate and Little Donnie to ignore or veto it thus showing over and over again what party seems more in tune with most Americans. Force the Repubs. to continually show their true colors in other words as a way to gain support from the Independents still on the fence.

Along with this strategy, continue via constant House investigations to shine the light on the corruption, illegality, and ineptness of this administration AND the Repubs. in Congress who are allowing it to continue.


The Senate will probably no longer put anything to a vote unless prior assurances that Trump will go along. They had a budget deal that Trump indicated he was good with until the Rushco & friends called him out along with Freedom Caucus of HOR. Even with assurances from Trump, there is no guarantee until it hits his desk. Mitch is becoming irrelevant with the exception of playing leading role in judicial hearings. Other than that, he's tucked his tail & deferred to Trump.

You are correct - appeal to independents. Bases of both sides are mostly decided, and he middle indies are key. The mid term results reflect that & hopefully remain consistent.


Chain - 1/5/2019 at 10:37 PM

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Forget impeachment and just show up to the polls in November 2020....In the meantime the Dem controlled House should pass progressive legislation repeatedly and force the Senate and Little Donnie to ignore or veto it thus showing over and over again what party seems more in tune with most Americans. Force the Repubs. to continually show their true colors in other words as a way to gain support from the Independents still on the fence.

Along with this strategy, continue via constant House investigations to shine the light on the corruption, illegality, and ineptness of this administration AND the Repubs. in Congress who are allowing it to continue.


The Senate will probably no longer put anything to a vote unless prior assurances that Trump will go along. They had a budget deal that Trump indicated he was good with until the Rushco & friends called him out along with Freedom Caucus of HOR. Even with assurances from Trump, there is no guarantee until it hits his desk. Mitch is becoming irrelevant with the exception of playing leading role in judicial hearings. Other than that, he's tucked his tail & deferred to Trump.

You are correct - appeal to independents. Bases of both sides are mostly decided, and he middle indies are key. The mid term results reflect that & hopefully remain consistent.


Exactly right about the Senate....Which is why the Dem. House needs to continually pass progressive, highly popular legislation so the Senate can continue to ignore it. And every Democratic needs to speak of this Senate inaction at every opportunity, on every talk show, in every opt. ed., on the campaign trail, etc....Repeatedly shine the light on the Senate and the White House at the top of their lungs so to speak. As you said, McConnell is now only a pawn and so connect this line to Trump over and over....

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nebish - 1/6/2019 at 03:31 PM

The GOP controlled House during the Obama years continually passed their own legislation that the Democrat controlled Senate never took up. I think there were something like 300 bills passed out of the House that were ignored in the Senate. Standard operating procedure on a split Congress these days. Nobody cared except for people who follow these things closely.

Impeachment is pretty fascinating really. On one hand, if Trump is as bad as everyone says he is (he's bad, I get that), then how can the Democrats sit idle with a clean conscious and not move to impeach such a monstrosity? And on the other hand, doing so would push aside any legislative or national issues they want to focus on - it would suck the air out of everything. So I think Pelosi has the right view on the situation, but obviously many among the base (and now in Congress) have other ideas or will grow tired of the old farts in the party not listening. That is what makes this an interesting time with Democrats in charge of the House. And in reality, maybe that is the right balance for them. Allow the threat and undertones of impeachment and all things wrong with Trump to permeate and just hang all while the Congressional veterans bide their time and try and spin their vision for America without getting bogged down in impeachment. Mueller investigation looks to be going into the summer, so if any revelations against Trump aren't to be expected until atleast then, no reason to get all worked up now. Sorry Mrs Tlaib, you should focus on the responsibilities of a Congressional Representative instead of firing people up.


MartinD28 - 1/6/2019 at 03:58 PM

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Allow the threat and undertones of impeachment and all things wrong with Trump to permeate and just hang all while the Congressional veterans bide their time and try and spin their vision for America without getting bogged down in impeachment. Mueller investigation looks to be going into the summer, so if any revelations against Trump aren't to be expected until atleast then, no reason to get all worked up now. Sorry Mrs Tlaib, you should focus on the responsibilities of a Congressional Representative instead of firing people up.


The Dems should just let Mueller take the lead while letting the HOR perform oversight. Oversight has been null & void & even had in pocket with the GOP House the last 2 years (see Devin Nunes). One could almost think that Nunes has been in collusion with the WH. For example - Remember the midnight run and all of the suppression aspects of inquiries by GOP committee heads.

Over the next month to half year it would be shocking if more & more dirt & corruption of the Trump Family & empire does not find its surface. If it is revealed that impeachment is a solution, then that path can be examined.

As far as Mrs Tlaib is concerned & her impeachment views. Keep in mind that much of what she ran on was that. So she is remaining true to her campaign. 70 to 80% of the Democrats polled feel the same. I think Pelosi is too methodical to jump into that initially. Let the process play out. Facts & time cures all. If impeachment nor indictment result with the Mob Boss, then the ballot box would be the answer. If Trump continues along his current path the next year or so, then the mid term results will probably be a precursor to rid this country of his toxicity. Continue along the current path and trajectory, and the Dems could probably run a broomstick to defeat Trump. And I get that there will always be those who say, "Don't ever count Trump out", but I'm not buying into that.


nebish - 1/6/2019 at 04:21 PM

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And I get that there will always be those who say, "Don't ever count Trump out", but I'm not buying into that.


I'm counting him out, assuming he runs.

I have a hard time seeing him winning PA, MI and WI again. Those were 46 electoral votes and the difference between him and her winning.

For argument sake, say he is able to win one of them, that makes things very close, but I assume like you see, Democrats are so energized for 2020 it would be a pretty large upset for him to win reelection. And I just looked, betting odds have Democrats a 5 to 7 favorite (have to lay $7 to win $5). Republicans are 6-5 ($5 to win $6) and Independent/Other is 50-1 ($1 to win $50).


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