Thread: France's Green Agenda reaches tipping point

OriginalGoober - 12/5/2018 at 03:24 AM



Macron is realizing that its dangerous game to pursue a Green agenda on the backs of the working poor. People were literally starving because of high taxes and low wages causing food to run out before the end of the month for many of the working poor. They finally have had enough and this revolt is far from over, even though Macron pulled back a hefty gas tax increase.

https://www.economist.com/europe/2018/12/03/emmanuel-macron-faces-the-tough est-test-of-his-presidency


BoytonBrother - 12/5/2018 at 02:09 PM

The smoking gun proof everyone. We’ve been wrong all along. Goober has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that liberal values are bad and wrong. I’m glad we can finally put this to bed.


PhotoRon286 - 12/5/2018 at 07:23 PM

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The smoking gun proof everyone. We’ve been wrong all along. Goober has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that liberal values are bad and wrong. I’m glad we can finally put this to bed.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!


2112 - 12/5/2018 at 08:35 PM

If they would have just invested in coal powered cars instead, France would be so much better off.


2112 - 12/5/2018 at 08:44 PM

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Macron is realizing that its dangerous game to pursue a Green agenda on the backs of the working poor. People were literally starving because of high taxes and low wages causing food to run out before the end of the month for many of the working poor. They finally have had enough and this revolt is far from over, even though Macron pulled back a hefty gas tax increase.

https://www.economist.com/europe/2018/12/03/emmanuel-macron-faces-the-tough est-test-of-his-presidency




Did you even read the article you linked to? That article does not talk about a Green agenda at all. It talks about the unrest being caused by tax cuts for the wealthy while the poor and middle class face increased taxes. Sound familiar? It does to me.


nebish - 12/5/2018 at 11:15 PM

Seems to be a host of things. Overall economic policy, but also that with the efforts to address climate change...higher taxes on fuel, natural gas and electricity costs and tougher vehicle emission standards. It's one thing for political leaders to advocate and legislate these things in their bubbles, it is another for the people that are actually impacted by the costs and burdens of them.


OriginalGoober - 12/6/2018 at 03:18 AM

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The smoking gun proof everyone. We’ve been wrong all along. Goober has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that liberal values are bad and wrong. I’m glad we can finally put this to bed.



The smug indifference of today's liberal, they know best! Dodging the result from pursuit of a liberal ideaology in a socialist state.


2112 - 12/6/2018 at 04:05 AM

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The smoking gun proof everyone. We’ve been wrong all along. Goober has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that liberal values are bad and wrong. I’m glad we can finally put this to bed.



The smug indifference of today's liberal, they know best! Dodging the result from pursuit of a liberal ideaology in a socialist state.


Cutting taxes on the rich and raising taxes on the poor is liberal ideaology? I must have missed that part in liberal school.


BrerRabbit - 12/6/2018 at 04:12 AM

Whatever their differences, the French left and right agree that Trump is incompetent.


Bhawk - 12/7/2018 at 05:38 PM

A. The French remain the best protesters. In a way, they kinda founded the concept. They will take to the streets when they seem fit and have, many times.
B. There seems to be contradictions on the view and sanctity of protests and "revolts," depending on how one can project their personal/American political bias on other parts of the globe. Gee, how shocking.


BoytonBrother - 12/7/2018 at 05:41 PM

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The smug indifference of today's liberal, they know best! Dodging the result from pursuit of a liberal ideaology in a socialist state.


Only a fool would think that I, or anyone, can speak for an entire political ideology.


BrerRabbit - 12/7/2018 at 11:20 PM

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The French remain the best protesters. In a way, they kinda founded the concept


France seems to be resisting the anaesthetic that has made the rest of Western Civilization comfortably numb.


nebish - 12/8/2018 at 05:59 AM

One of the main things they are resisting, and a primary cause initially, is higher taxes on fuel when fuel is already high. A gallon equivalent of diesel in France is $6.84 US dollars (1L $1.51 Euro)

And like any protest, there are opportunists that show up that just want to fight and make things ugly. There are all types of people protesting at this point, some with the cause they originally took to the streets for, others just want anarchy.


gina - 12/8/2018 at 06:05 PM

They pay 50% of their money for taxes, and for that they expect reasonable services.


Muleman1994 - 12/10/2018 at 08:06 PM

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The French remain the best protesters. In a way, they kinda founded the concept


France seems to be resisting the anaesthetic that has made the rest of Western Civilization comfortably numb.



Macron and his German counterpart Merkel seem to be in a race to see who gets out of office fastest.
France and Germany’s people have had enough of both.


Muleman1994 - 12/10/2018 at 08:08 PM

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A. The French remain the best protesters. In a way, they kinda founded the concept. They will take to the streets when they seem fit and have, many times.
B. There seems to be contradictions on the view and sanctity of protests and "revolts," depending on how one can project their personal/American political bias on other parts of the globe. Gee, how shocking.


Ah, the French.

Did you see the French Army rifle listed on eBay?
The description read "like new, never fired, dropped once".





BrerRabbit - 12/10/2018 at 09:28 PM

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Did you see the French Army rifle listed on eBay?
The description read "like new, never fired, dropped once".


LOL. Hahaha!! Really good one. Still, kind of unfair, they would have been slaughtered by Hitler, by 1940 the Germans were way ahead in forces and tech. England would have had unused rifles on Ebay too if there was no English Channel.

Assuming your joke was a reference to WW2 - not Dien Bien Phu, plenty well-used French rifles from that, not that they did any good.

Still, good one - my dad's gonna laugh his ass off when I bust that one on him.

[Edited on 12/10/2018 by BrerRabbit]


Muleman1994 - 12/10/2018 at 11:56 PM

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Did you see the French Army rifle listed on eBay?
The description read "like new, never fired, dropped once".


LOL. Hahaha!! Really good one. Still, kind of unfair, they would have been slaughtered by Hitler, by 1940 the Germans were way ahead in forces and tech. England would have had unused rifles on Ebay too if there was no English Channel.

Assuming your joke was a reference to WW2 - not Dien Bien Phu, plenty well-used French rifles from that, not that they did any good.

Still, good one - my dad's gonna laugh his ass off when I bust that one on him.

[Edited on 12/10/2018 by BrerRabbit]



WWII Veterans get it. They also have some great jokes that are not for posting… anywhere.
The French really don’t like to talk about Dien Bien Phu.

There are about to be quite a few government job openings in England, France and Germany.




StratDal - 12/11/2018 at 12:45 AM

quote:
quote:
A. The French remain the best protesters. In a way, they kinda founded the concept. They will take to the streets when they seem fit and have, many times.
B. There seems to be contradictions on the view and sanctity of protests and "revolts," depending on how one can project their personal/American political bias on other parts of the globe. Gee, how shocking.


Ah, the French.

Did you see the French Army rifle listed on eBay?
The description read "like new, never fired, dropped once".







With the exception of the eBay reference, that's about 40 years old. I'm sure there are French that blame President Obama for their rifles lack of effectiveness... Then again, didn't President Trump want to have a military parade because the French had one? Must have been those rifles that impressed him...

As to the original post, IMO global warming is real and is affecting our planet in an adverse way. All leaders and citizens have to take ownership of it whatever that may be. At the very least, don't waste water, don't waste food, and recycle (you'd be surprised at how many of our citizens can't grasp any of those tasks). If one wants to believe GW doesn't exist, so be it. Some people still think the world is flat...


Muleman1994 - 12/11/2018 at 02:05 AM

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quote:
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A. The French remain the best protesters. In a way, they kinda founded the concept. They will take to the streets when they seem fit and have, many times.
B. There seems to be contradictions on the view and sanctity of protests and "revolts," depending on how one can project their personal/American political bias on other parts of the globe. Gee, how shocking.


Ah, the French.

Did you see the French Army rifle listed on eBay?
The description read "like new, never fired, dropped once".







With the exception of the eBay reference, that's about 40 years old. I'm sure there are French that blame President Obama for their rifles lack of effectiveness... Then again, didn't President Trump want to have a military parade because the French had one? Must have been those rifles that impressed him...

As to the original post, IMO global warming is real and is affecting our planet in an adverse way. All leaders and citizens have to take ownership of it whatever that may be. At the very least, don't waste water, don't waste food, and recycle (you'd be surprised at how many of our citizens can't grasp any of those tasks). If one wants to believe GW doesn't exist, so be it. Some people still think the world is flat...




"because the French had one"

Wrong.

Military parades are a national tradition. President Trump said he was impressed with the French military parade noted the military parade in DC after Desert Storm in June, 1991.

Yes, some of the easily deceived buy the global warming hoax. They are the same people who bought the nuclear power plants will kill us all farce in the 1960s, the new ice age crap in the 1970s and any other politically motivated load fed to them.

Al Gore told us the seas would rise 20 feet and by now NYC and the state of Florida would be under water.
How did that work out?

Over the last 100 years the earth's temperature has risen anywhere between .9 degree to 1.6 degrees depending on who's report you read and on what day.

The food is growing quite well in the fields.

The French people have told Macron to jam his carbon tax crap and he has capitulated.
The burned out cars lining the streets of Paris may have got his attention.
His lack of an approval rating pushed him out of hiding today for a speech that sounded like he was being held hostage.



[Edited on 12/11/2018 by Muleman1994]


StratDal - 12/11/2018 at 03:58 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
A. The French remain the best protesters. In a way, they kinda founded the concept. They will take to the streets when they seem fit and have, many times.
B. There seems to be contradictions on the view and sanctity of protests and "revolts," depending on how one can project their personal/American political bias on other parts of the globe. Gee, how shocking.


Ah, the French.

Did you see the French Army rifle listed on eBay?
The description read "like new, never fired, dropped once".







With the exception of the eBay reference, that's about 40 years old. I'm sure there are French that blame President Obama for their rifles lack of effectiveness... Then again, didn't President Trump want to have a military parade because the French had one? Must have been those rifles that impressed him...

As to the original post, IMO global warming is real and is affecting our planet in an adverse way. All leaders and citizens have to take ownership of it whatever that may be. At the very least, don't waste water, don't waste food, and recycle (you'd be surprised at how many of our citizens can't grasp any of those tasks). If one wants to believe GW doesn't exist, so be it. Some people still think the world is flat...




"because the French had one"

Wrong.

Military parades are a national tradition. President Trump said he was impressed with the French military parade noted the military parade in DC after Desert Storm in June, 1991.

Yes, some of the easily deceived buy the global warming hoax. They are the same people who bought the nuclear power plants will kill us all farce in the 1960s, the new ice age crap in the 1970s and any other politically motivated load fed to them.

Al Gore told us the seas would rise 20 feet and by now NYC and the state of Florida would be under water.
How did that work out?

Over the last 100 years the earth's temperature has risen anywhere between .9 degree to 1.6 degrees depending on who's report you read and on what day.

The food is growing quite well in the fields.

The French people have told Macron to jam his carbon tax crap and he has capitulated.
The burned out cars lining the streets of Paris may have got his attention.
His lack of an approval rating pushed him out of hiding today for a speech that sounded like he was being held hostage.



[Edited on 12/11/2018 by Muleman1994]


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/planning-trump-s-military-parade-final ly-getting-underway-n887431

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/11/world/climate-change-arctic-report-card-2018 -wxc/index.html

Trump also said Mexico was going to pay for some wall. You sound like one of those French rifles on eBay... or like a WWII Italian tank.

[Edited on 12/11/2018 by StratDal]

[Edited on 12/11/2018 by StratDal]


BoytonBrother - 12/11/2018 at 04:51 PM

Military parades are for insecure communist dictators......which is why Trump wants one I guess.


MartinD28 - 12/11/2018 at 05:22 PM

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Military parades are for insecure communist dictators......which is why Trump wants one I guess.

Trump is envious of what he sees running Russia & North Korea. His mindset is much more aligned with those countries as opposed to our form of government with checks and balances.


LeglizHemp - 12/11/2018 at 07:52 PM

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some of the easily deceived buy the global warming hoax. They are the same people who bought the nuclear power plants will kill us all farce in the 1960s, the new ice age crap in the 1970s and any other politically motivated load fed to them.

Al Gore told us the seas would rise 20 feet and by now NYC and the state of Florida would be under water.
How did that work out?

Over the last 100 years the earth's temperature has risen anywhere between .9 degree to 1.6 degrees depending on who's report you read and on what day


https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/11/world/climate-change-arctic-report-card-2018 -wxc/index.html


OriginalGoober - 12/12/2018 at 02:25 AM


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Trump also said Mexico was going to pay for some wall. You sound like one of those French rifles on eBay... or like a WWII Italian tank. QUOTE

Fair enough on whining about whos paying, but the real issue is whether you believe that a wall is needed. I would bet my last dollar you would say no, wall is needed, the caravan should stream on in, more Mexicans are leaving the country (net illegal immigration is zero), and that they have a right to be your nanny, hang your drywall and mow your lawn, because Americans wont do these jobs.


nebish - 12/12/2018 at 02:26 AM

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/11/world/climate-change-arctic-report-car d-2018 -wxc/index.html


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https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/11/world/climate-change-arctic-report-car d-2018 -wxc/index.html


Must be a good one, got linked twice~!

Even if we should, or can, take measures to try and reduce or reverse what is happening, convincing a planet full of people to change their lifestyle for the common good is pretty damn challenging. Especially when it comes via a tax on something we all still need alot of and don't have any more money to pay for it than we did before and then all countries aren't treated equally in the treaties.


OriginalGoober - 12/12/2018 at 02:37 AM

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/11/world/climate-change-arctic-report-car d-2018 -wxc/index.html


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https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/11/world/climate-change-arctic-report-car d-2018 -wxc/index.html


Must be a good one, got linked twice~!

Even if we should, or can, take measures to try and reduce or reverse what is happening, convincing a planet full of people to change their lifestyle for the common good is pretty damn challenging. Especially when it comes via a tax on something we all still need alot of and don't have any more money to pay for it than we did before and then all countries aren't treated equally in the treaties.


Ya, Al Gore flying to the midwest in a jumbo jet trying to convince some schlub burning a coal stove to heat his home his carbon emissions are killing the planet.


BoytonBrother - 12/12/2018 at 03:03 AM

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Ya, Al Gore flying to the midwest in a jumbo jet trying to convince some schlub burning a coal stove to heat his home his carbon emissions are killing the planet.


Ouch. Swing and a miss. This is just a bad Dennis Miller impression.


LeglizHemp - 12/12/2018 at 12:59 PM


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LeglizHemp - 12/12/2018 at 01:17 PM

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/environment/climate-change/arctic-is-in-ev en-worse-shape-than-realised-20181212-p50lsd.html


BoytonBrother - 12/12/2018 at 02:46 PM

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the real issue is whether you believe that a wall is needed. I would bet my last dollar you would say no, wall is needed,


Correct, it is not needed. $20billion for something that may or may not work? Mexicans laugh about it because only a fraction of illegals come from crossing the border - the overwhelming majority are from those who never leave once a temporary visitation visa expires. As a taxpayer, no thanks. A project that expensive should definitely work.

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the caravan should stream on in


If you want to believe that opposing the wall means wanting the caravan to come in, then be a fool, please, by all means.

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more Mexicans are leaving the country (net illegal immigration is zero), and that they have a right to be your nanny, hang your drywall and mow your lawn, because Americans wont do these jobs.


Have you thought about all the small construction businesses and farmers who rely on them? Probably not. Should their business suffer because you are bothered by them?


BIGV - 12/12/2018 at 03:50 PM

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the real issue is whether you believe that a wall is needed. I would bet my last dollar you would say no, wall is needed,


Correct, it is not needed. $20billion for something that may or may not work? Mexicans laugh about it because only a fraction of illegals come from crossing the border -


Incorrect, it will work, good fences make good neighbors. Mexicans are laughing alright and it all starts with the fact that they have zero respect for our laws and put very little effort into assimilating. Until Mexico uses the resources it has available and starts providing better opportunities for its own Citizens, there will always be bleeding hearts who feel it our responsibility to provide them with a better life. This discussion should not even take place as long as there are U.S. citizens who go to bed hungry every night. U.S. citizens who sleep without heat and running water. U.S. Veterans who sleep in the streets. Plenty of Citizens here who wish the "Open Border" faction had the same amount of empathy for them that they seem to have for people of other Cultures. Not to mention the Hondurans and Central Americans in the Caravan, who, fleeing "oppression" in their own Countries, chose to fly the Flag of the Country they were evading. Very similar to what you see in California when people march in support of "Undocumented Aliens" while waving Mexican Flags and demanding "rights".

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more Mexicans are leaving the country (net illegal immigration is zero), and that they have a right to be your nanny, hang your drywall and mow your lawn, because Americans wont do these jobs.


Have you thought about all the small construction businesses and farmers who rely on them? Probably not. Should their business suffer because you are bothered by them?


Do you think these employers are paying a legitimate wage? I've a thought. You know that $15-$20 an hour people are demanding?. Let's make that the minimum wage for laboring in the fields and see how that works.


BoytonBrother - 12/12/2018 at 04:39 PM

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Mexicans are laughing alright and it all starts with the fact that they have zero respect for our laws and put very little effort into assimilating.


Good lord! I was referring to them laughing at a silly strategy....but go ahead and generalize all of them as exactly the same.

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U.S. citizens who go to bed hungry every night. U.S. citizens who sleep without heat and running water.


Work harder! Maybe they should farm or work construction for less than minimum wage. What’s that? They won’t?

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chose to fly the Flag of the Country they were evading.


Wait till you hear what they do in the South!

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Let's make that the minimum wage for laboring in the fields and see how that works.


Why would anyone do that? Farmers have been seeking illegals for decades because they’ve always been cheaper then minimum wage.


pops42 - 12/12/2018 at 05:23 PM

I spend time in Yuma Arizona. The migrant workers that are there now picking the crops as I type, are depended on and work hard for a modest wage, then go back home to mexico.





Muleman1994 - 12/13/2018 at 03:59 PM

Accused 'terrorist' behind migrant caravan members demand of $50,000 apiece to go back home

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/12/migrant-caravan-members-de mand-50000-apiece-go-bac/



Bhawk - 12/13/2018 at 05:39 PM

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Fair enough on whining about whos paying, but the real issue is whether you believe that a wall is needed.






















































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Muleman1994 - 12/13/2018 at 10:28 PM

Cherif Chekatt, France gunman who opened fire at Christmas market, is dead, reports say
https://www.foxnews.com/world/cherif-chekatt-france-gunman-who-opened-fire- at-christmas-market-is-dead-reports-say

Another Islamic Extremist Terrorist is dead. No whining about Global Warming involved.

The French people are tired of the open borders crap.
Germany's Merkel is already heading being shown the door because she refuses to protest her citizens.


BrerRabbit - 12/14/2018 at 01:43 AM

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Germany's Merkel is already heading being shown the door because she refuses to protest her citizens.


Why would they boot her for refusing to protest her citizens?


LeglizHemp - 12/14/2018 at 01:59 AM

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Germany's Merkel is already heading being shown the door because she refuses to protest her citizens.


Why would they boot her for refusing to protest her citizens?


LOL


OriginalGoober - 12/14/2018 at 02:16 AM

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Mexicans are laughing alright and it all starts with the fact that they have zero respect for our laws and put very little effort into assimilating.


Good lord! I was referring to them laughing at a silly strategy....but go ahead and generalize all of them as exactly the same.

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U.S. citizens who go to bed hungry every night. U.S. citizens who sleep without heat and running water.


Work harder! Maybe they should farm or work construction for less than minimum wage. What’s that? They won’t?

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chose to fly the Flag of the Country they were evading.


Wait till you hear what they do in the South!

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Let's make that the minimum wage for laboring in the fields and see how that works.


Why would anyone do that? Farmers have been seeking illegals for decades because they’ve always been cheaper then minimum wage.


Points out generalizations are bad, proceeds to generalize about Americans and the entire South, good one!

[Edited on 12/14/2018 by OriginalGoober]


BoytonBrother - 12/14/2018 at 03:16 AM

Swing and miss again! Strike a nerve did I? Truth hurts my friend.


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