Thread: Question on Gregg playing guitar in 1973

Jonesy - 7/29/2020 at 08:21 PM

As far as I know this is the only year Gregg played electric guitar with the ABB and it was only on two songs: Wasted Words and Done Somebody wrong.

Why did he play on those two in the first place? Has he played electric any other time?


BIGV - 7/29/2020 at 08:27 PM

I went to quite a few shows in '73 and remember the electricity in the crowd upon seeing Gregg up front. Don't recall any special reasoning behind it and being up front quite a few times in that tour, we questioned his guitar even being plugged in. Could not hear it in the mix; perhaps all for show.


porkchopbob - 7/29/2020 at 08:28 PM

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As far as I know this is the only year Gregg played electric guitar with the ABB and it was only on two songs: Wasted Words and Done Somebody wrong.

Why did he play on those two in the first place? Has he played electric any other time?

They had Chuck on piano, so some songs needed another guitar rather than 2 sets of keys. Just goes to what the arrangement requires.

Gregg would play some electric guitar with his solo band:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-bBWbrHgGE


blackey - 7/29/2020 at 08:41 PM

I saw 3 shows in 1974. I think they only did about 15 shows that year with all the solo tours happening, and Gregg played electric guitar on those two songs that year too. I could hear him clinking on the strings before the song began but difficult to hear him during the song.

Also on Wasted Words on Brothers and Sisters, Gregg plays electric guitar.

And on the live version on Wipe The Windows. Actually on the songs Gregg plays electric, Dickey plays slide. That may be the reason.

I saw a lot of shows in 1973 and Gregg played a Strat and a black Les Paul a couple of times plus on one or two shows he had an all metal guitar with a v shaped headstock. I use to know the make but cant think of it right now.


BIGV - 7/29/2020 at 08:50 PM

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And on the live version on Wipe The Windows. Actually on the songs Gregg plays electric, Dickey plays slide. That may be the reason


Statesboro Blues found Gregg back on keyboards


steved - 7/29/2020 at 09:33 PM

According to things I have read thru the years, back in the old days Gregg and Duane would trade off on rhythm and lead duties. That is pre ABB days. Even pre Allman Joys too.

There is a Youtube vid of Gregg playing a short but tasteful solo on a PBS special. Can't remember the details.

He certainly knew his way around the fretboard on acoustic. I often wonder what he might do playing lead???

Dare I ask if he ever tried slide? I know, I know I can't go there.

I really love his B3 work. Just fits perfectly. He had to have worked hard to get his sound and make the songs better and not get in the way of the guitars.

Just my thoughts. But damn, both Gregg and Duane were extremely talented weren't they?




50split - 7/30/2020 at 03:30 AM

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I saw 3 shows in 1974. I think they only did about 15 shows that year with all the solo tours happening, and Gregg played electric guitar on those two songs that year too. I could hear him clinking on the strings before the song began but difficult to hear him during the song.

Also on Wasted Words on Brothers and Sisters, Gregg plays electric guitar.

And on the live version on Wipe The Windows. Actually on the songs Gregg plays electric, Dickey plays slide. That may be the reason.

I saw a lot of shows in 1973 and Gregg played a Strat and a black Les Paul a couple of times plus on one or two shows he had an all metal guitar with a v shaped headstock. I use to know the make but cant think of it right now.

veleno guitar. mark farner and peter haycock also played these.


blackey - 7/30/2020 at 10:55 AM

https://youtu.be/tajl6kyCpso

Gregg playing the Veleno electric with the ABB.


njpaulc - 7/30/2020 at 02:36 PM

I think the question is why did Gregg ever put the guitar down and sit behind the organ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIwnbYwmFOI


blackey - 7/30/2020 at 07:06 PM

njpaulc. I think that is what Duane told Gregg when he called Gregg to say I need you to sing, do some writing and send this thing someplace. It was then Duane told Gregg he would be on a B3. That he already had another guitar player and he was a real good lead player. And Gregg said " Lead player? What do you do?". And Duane said he would show Gregg when he got there.

Gregg was skeptical especially about two drummers but when they counted off Trouble No More with Berry Oakley singing and played it for Gregg, Gregg was intimidated. Gregg had never heard a band blow like that and told Duane he couldn't cut the gig.

Apparently the only reason Reese didn't hang is because he couldn't sing and they felt Duane, Dickey and Berry were not good enough to sing more than a song or two each night.

Of course as we know Duane pissed Gregg off by telling him he wasn't a man and Duane had been telling the other members what a great singer and player Gregg was and now you are going to embarrasse me and wimp out.

Gregg said that really pissed him off so he counted it off and sang as good as he could. Gregg didnt know Jaimoe, Berry and Dickey. Just Butch a little. But Gregg could tell by looking at them after they played that he was in with those guys.

Gregg told it a little different over the years but it seems true he was very intimidated when he heard the 5 original Allman Brothers play Trouble No More and told Duane he couldn't play in that band, that he couldn't cut the gig and Duane became furious at Gregg for saying he wasn't good enough to play with those guys. That part stayed consistent.

But did Gregg ride in with as a hitchhiker or fly in from LA? Gregg always claimed he hitchhiked. But he was driven to the airport but they didnt see him actually get on the plane. And Dickey once said Duane got a plane ticket for Gregg but didnt say he used it. Didn't say either way.


BIGV - 7/30/2020 at 07:53 PM

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njpaulc. I think that is what Duane told Gregg when he called Gregg to say I need you to sing, do some writing and send this thing someplace. It was then Duane told Gregg he would be on a B3. That he already had another guitar player and he was a real good lead player. And Gregg said " Lead player? What do you do?". And Duane said he would show Gregg when he got there.

Gregg was skeptical especially about two drummers but when they counted off Trouble No More with Berry Oakley singing and played it for Gregg, Gregg was intimidated. Gregg had never heard a band blow like that and told Duane he couldn't cut the gig.

Apparently the only reason Reese didn't hang is because he couldn't sing and they felt Duane, Dickey and Berry were not good enough to sing more than a song or two each night.

Of course as we know Duane pissed Gregg off by telling him he wasn't a man and Duane had been telling the other members what a great singer and player Gregg was and now you are going to embarrasse me and wimp out.

Gregg said that really pissed him off so he counted it off and sang as good as he could. Gregg didnt know Jaimoe, Berry and Dickey. Just Butch a little. But Gregg could tell by looking at them after they played that he was in with those guys.

Gregg told it a little different over the years but it seems true he was very intimidated when he heard the 5 original Allman Brothers play Trouble No More and told Duane he couldn't play in that band, that he couldn't cut the gig and Duane became furious at Gregg for saying he wasn't good enough to play with those guys. That part stayed consistent.

But did Gregg ride in with as a hitchhiker or fly in from LA? Gregg always claimed he hitchhiked. But he was driven to the airport but they didnt see him actually get on the plane. And Dickey once said Duane got a plane ticket for Gregg but didnt say he used it. Didn't say either way.


Please, for once. Tell us a story we've never heard before.

Thank You


allmansrvvegas - 7/31/2020 at 01:10 AM

Jam of the Ages - Chuck Berry - Roll Over Beethoven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Vtgg9sH8g

at the 4:44 mark gregg does a short guitar solo


The final segment from AB's 25th anniversary Special, which aired Friday February 4, 1977.

The players:

Chuck Berry, Gregg Allman, Johnny Rivers, Bobby Rydell, Junior Parker, The Pointer Sisters, Booker T. Jones, Donald "Duck" Dunn, Steve Cropper, Nigel Olsson, Mark Lindsay, Dash Crofts, Jim Seals, Walter Murphy, Bobby Rydell, Doc Severinsen, Chuck Mangione, Jim Guercio, Charlie Daniels, Les McCann, Donald Byrd, Nino Tempo

Paul Williams conducts, and provides a running narration. His hyper-cool delivery propels the whole thing, lifts it and pushes it into transcendence.


[Edited on 7/31/2020 by allmansrvvegas]


allmansrvvegas - 7/31/2020 at 01:15 AM

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I saw 3 shows in 1974. I think they only did about 15 shows that year with all the solo tours happening, and Gregg played electric guitar on those two songs that year too. I could hear him clinking on the strings before the song began but difficult to hear him during the song.

Also on Wasted Words on Brothers and Sisters, Gregg plays electric guitar.

And on the live version on Wipe The Windows. Actually on the songs Gregg plays electric, Dickey plays slide. That may be the reason.

I saw a lot of shows in 1973 and Gregg played a Strat and a black Les Paul a couple of times plus on one or two shows he had an all metal guitar with a v shaped headstock. I use to know the make but cant think of it right now.


I wonder if Devon has this guitar in possesion?







[Edited on 7/31/2020 by allmansrvvegas]


blackey - 7/31/2020 at 02:13 AM

Yes Devon needs to be asked. 42 is a big number and Devon said Gregg left them all to him. But one Devon didn't get is a big red Gibson ES-335. Warren said Gregg hesitated but Warren eventually let him have it several years before Gregg died. I think Warren saw it at Gregg's home. Don't think Gregg played it on stage ever. If he did, apparently not when Warren saw him.

Before the virus shut them down, Devon had been playing a Les Paul Junior a lot and I don't recall seeing Gregg play that one either.

Warren talked about Allen having so many bass guitars and now Warren has accumulated a lot of electric and acoustic guitars and Warren said in the interview that a number of them he never plays much on stage anymore and some never played on stage but like Woody, he just can't get rid of the ones he rarely used or uses now.

I think Joe Bonamassa and Steve Vai own well over 100 guitars.


50split - 7/31/2020 at 03:35 AM

i believe andy powell from wishbone ash has roy buchanan's telecaster.


blackey - 7/31/2020 at 03:51 PM

The great guitars played by the masters. They are like Babe Ruth's bat or the ball Joe Montana threw for thr winning pass. If they are not being played anymore, they should go to the rock and roll hall of fame.


WaitinForRain - 8/1/2020 at 02:43 AM

Gregg had said that he played guitar to add the rhythm parts 'that just had to be in there'

Other interviews - especially around the time of the t bone burnett album, and also the great selection of Jas Obrecht interviews give a solid nod to Gregg's rhythm chops.

He is a uniquely original acoustic player, the piano influence is evident.

I've always wondered what cover songs he sat around playin' at home.... and on the road... That weren't the stuff he recorded...


eric373737 - 8/1/2020 at 12:57 PM

Gregory played guitar on the 1975 Win, Lose or Draw tour whenever they played “Nevertheless” and/or “Done Somebody Wrong.” Most nights he played a black Les Paul

[Edited on 8/1/2020 by eric373737]


masbama - 8/2/2020 at 02:14 AM

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Gregory played guitar on the 1975 Win, Lose or Draw tour whenever they played “Nevertheless” and/or “Done Somebody Wrong.” Most nights he played a black Les Paul

[Edited on 8/1/2020 by eric373737]

Gregg plays clavinet on Nevertheless


blackey - 8/2/2020 at 11:21 AM

I saw some 1975 shows too. I remember Gregg on clarinet on a song. Don't have a clear memory of Gregg playing guitar in 1975 but I bet he did on Done Somebody Wrong.

I do remember at a 1975 show in Charlotte, N.C Dickey didnt play slide on Statesboro Blues. Played straight/lead guitar. Didnt feel like switching over from Goldie to that beautiful sunburst Les Paul with a pick guard he was using for slide then I suppose.

Charlie Daniel's opened. I remember seeing Dickey on the side of the stage when Charlie played South Is Going To Do It Again. He left after "People down in Georgia come from near and far to hear Richard Betts picking on that red guitar". And there was a reaction from the audience. But when the ABB came on, Betts was playing a Goldtop. I just remember someone saying " That is not a red guitar".

Still remember going to a Krispy Kreme doughnut shop and getting a lemon fill and a coffee before the me and the old lady drove to the room.


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