This is from the 9/19/98 Great Woods pay per view show. I really wish they’d release this officially as a Blu-Ray. I’d be first in line to buy it.
The Jack/Otiel lineup may be the second best lineup ( second to the original) the ABB had. I saw this lineup 8 or 9 times and one stand out was Raleigh, N.C. in 1997. Just an incredible show with Jack and Dickey hitting the note all night.
But I remember the Chuck/Lamar lineup in Nashville in 1973 and wow did they knock it out of the park. The Brothers and Sisters songs were never played better by any other lineup but the older songs were so different with one lead guitar but they still smoked.
Charlie Daniels commented what a hot show that Nashville show was. They probably had some extra motivation because in Nashville you can shake a tree anywhere in town and 3 or 4 hot guitar players will fall out.
The Jack / Dickey/ Oteil/ Gregg/ Butch/ Jaimoe/ Marc lineup was Spring 1997-March 1999.
Early Blue Sky on rough audience tape that is historical in that Duane Allman plays the first solo.
Duane always played the first solo.
blackey - 7/30/2020 at 11:20 AM
Yes Duane played first. Sorry for not being clear. It's historical because Duane is on it. Duane didn't play Blue Sky much.
stormyrider - 7/30/2020 at 03:36 PM
I usually don't have much problem figuring out Duane vs Dickey, except for Blue Sky. They sound quite similar to me. I can tell the order they play is the same each time by the way the solos are constructed (especially the beginning of the 2nd solo). Last night I listened to the EAP version and all 3 live Duane versions I'm aware of (Clemson, Wharehouse, and Stony Brook). Great, great solos by both - love them all.
Did Dickey play a different guitar starting late summer 71? He sounds different than he did on the Fillmore and other recordings.
Also, I'm intrigued because when I asked somewhere on this forum a long time ago I was told that Dickey took the 1st solo
not arguing with you, I don't pretend to know. Just bringing up a point for discussion
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steved - 7/30/2020 at 03:40 PM
Yeah I always thought the first solo was Dickey followed by Duane. Talking about the EAP version.
porkchopbob - 7/30/2020 at 04:20 PM
Duane takes the first solo (those pull offs at 2:05 are vintage Duane and he plays the same licks on the Stonybrook version), Dickey takes the 2nd. Their styles were similar, especially when they both played Les Pauls. I've seen some sources state the opposite (including wikipedia), but I've never heard Dickey take the first solo.
steved - 7/30/2020 at 05:31 PM
Yep y'all are right about the solos. Just listened to it. Memory just ain't what it used to be. But hell I don't mind listening to one of the prettiest songs ever once again.
blackey - 7/30/2020 at 06:32 PM
Yes I saw them at High Point University. Duane always took the first solo on Blue Sky as far as I know. For some reason in mid 1971 Duane and Dickey swapped solos on Statesboro Blues with Dickey first and Duane second.
Duane and Dickey changed guitars several times from 1969 to 1971. Dickey didnt settle on a guitar until he found the 1957 Goldtop Les Paul he found at a pawn shop in Manhattan in 1974. That was Dickey's number one until he suddenly began jumping from one guitar to another in 1994. PRS, ES-335, 56 Strat, Mary Kay Strat, back to the 56 Strat from 1994 to 2000 plus he began using Goldie a little in 2000 after Dickey got it back from Cleveland where it had turned a puke green while on display for several years and Dickey sanded it down and painted it red. But Dickey never played it much after it became red. Left it at home most of the time. It has great Les Paul tone and remember Dickey never used the bridge pickup alone. Usually the switch was up using the neck pickup and occasionally in the middle where you get a little of both but never down. Most LP players are down on that bridge pickup when soloing. It's a louder and heavier tone but Dickey never liked that tone.
Yes on Fillmore East Dickey played a Les Paul that was a sunburst that I think was once a Goldtop. It had a different tone than the Goldtop Dickey began to play not long after they recorded Fillmore. You can hear that Goldtop on One Way Out on Eat A Peach. That guitar had a fantastic tone. Best Dickey may have ever had. In late 1971 and through 1974 Dickey had moved to a lighter sunburst with zebra pickups. It had a softer tone, more like a jazz or hollow body guitar. Dickey also began using a pretty bright sunburst Les Paul with a pick guard for slide.
Before the Les Paul Dickey used on Fillmore East, there were about four Goldtops, one with a pick guard, and Dickey didnt take to those especially the first one he bought and it was in Detroit which may the one Red Dog mentioned Dickey tossed across the stage but didn't do it where it would hit Duane or Oakley but it didnt break. Some of those Les Pauls just would stay in tune. Next day Red Dog had returned it to Dickey's rack and when Dickey saw it he smashed it good so Red Dog put it in the dumpster.
From 1969 to the Les Paul Dickey got in Detroit, Dickey went ES-335 to a Stratocaster to an SG. Dickey of course gave the SG to Duane for slide. Dickey said Duane was playing a Strat, apparently the one he used on Hey Jude by Wilson Picket but early on in the ABB found a Goldtop he like. Next a sunburst Les Paul. It was real pretty. But he found a tobacco burst Les Paul he liked better and I think Duane had a lighter tobacco burst Les Paul as a backup in his last months. The main tobacco burst Les Paul had DUANE spelled on the back of the body with old frets.
I don't know why I remember all that other than I was a huge fan and groupie and in my early 20's. Now at 73 I have trouble remembering where my car is parked.
BIGV - 7/30/2020 at 06:43 PM
For some reason in mid 1971 Duane and Dickey swapped solos on Statesboro Blues with Dickey first and Duane second.
Balance. The opening was slide and with the first solo being taken by Dickey, there was space and symmetry.
aiq - 7/30/2020 at 06:50 PM
Well you all got me to go listen to EAP Blue Sky. Damn that is great.
I was taking a break from the jr. college for a semester working construction for a few months the day EAP was released. The universe was cooperating as a rainout ended work about 10:00 that morning.
A few of us took a field trip to the record store, beer and Columbian in hand and had a fine day having a listening party.
When BS played I loved it instantly and then got so sad that we would never hear Duane and Dickey play it live.
I may be a grouchy old man but when I want ABB I go to 69-71.
blackey - 7/30/2020 at 08:08 PM
Me too aiq. 1969 to 1971 is the REAL Allman Brothers. Without Duane and Berry it's like Lynyrd Skynyrd after Ronnie died. Or the Dead without Jerry. Just isn't the same and is never as good.
That is not saying I saw some real fine post Duane shows. 1973 with Chuck/ Lamar was smoking. 1990 with Warren/Johnny/Woody at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va. Warren/Allen at several Beacon shows. Jack/Otiel in Raleigh in 1997. Derek/Dickey/Otiel Las Vegas in 1999. 2009 Beacon with Eric Clapton. All left a trail of smoke on the stage.
But the original band was the best and was never topped. And Eat A Peach is a fantastic album. The Epic albums and Hitting The Note from 2003 don't come close. Also Blue Sky on Eat A Peach, to me, is the best song ever recorded anywhere. It is so uplifting, bright, happy and makes you feel good every time. The Eat A Peach version is perfection personified. Ain't Waisting Time No More, Melissa, One Way Out, Trouble No More, Standback, Little Martha, Les Brer in A Minor and Mountain Jam. Fillmore East is the best live album and Brothers and Sisters sold the most but Eat A Peach is a fantastic album. One of the best released by any band, anytime, anywhere.
steved - 7/30/2020 at 08:28 PM
So blackey you're saying you like the Allman Brothers Band? LOL, just kidding. Most of us old time fans would agree that the original six were amazing and I am not getting into a pissing contest about the different lineups. No point in that anyway.
But when I reach for a "go-to" piece of music it is almost always AFE or EAP, and sometimes Layla. I always say to my wife that that "original" band knew dynamics. They could play pretty and not have to blow your ears off all the time. But they certainly could do that too.
But I have it all. Love that band and always will.
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hotlantatim - 7/31/2020 at 02:29 PM
Nice Blue Sky. Jack was his own man for sure. Love to see him play to this day.
Nothing like the original band. When I invent my time machine, the ABB in 1971 with Duane is my first stop!
That said, I wouldn't be nearly the Allman Brothers fan I am without these songs recorded after Duane: Nobody Knows, Melissa, Aint Waistin Time No More, No One To Run With, Les Bres, Jessica, High Cost of Low Living, Ramblin Man, True Gravity, Come & Go Blues, Desdemona, Southbound, Soulshine, Wasted Words, Old Friend, Can't Lose What You Never Had, High Falls, Back Where It All Begins, Win Lose or Draw, Just Aint Easy, Come On In My Kitchen, Seven Turns, It Ain't Over Yet, Pegasus, End of the Line and some others.
To say I'm glad they continued is quite the understatement.
I'm off to listen to the original Blue Sky....
blackey - 7/31/2020 at 03:46 PM
Yes they moved forward after Duane, especially with new material. But as the years went by the band generally speaking became less and less creative with the exception of the early 90's. Was out of the mix for most of the 80's. The last 11 years the band played there was no new studio album and the last studio album released in 2003 was just better than average and not on the scale of the first 5 albums the band released but better than the Arista albums.
I've always wanted to think that if Duane and Berry had lived, the Allman Brothers Band would have certainly became as big as they were in 1973 with sell out tours and Brothers and Sisters being number one for 5 weeks and selling over 4 million copies, but would have continued under Duane Allman as being a super group akin to the Stones, Eagles, Pink Floyd etc with several more million selling albums and major tours.
In other words after Duane and Berry, the band lost ground except for a temporary peak in 1973 which really was the continuation of the upward trajectory begun by Duane Allman.
No doubt Brothers and Sisters would be a different album perhaps with no Chuck Leavell added but with Queen of Hearts on it and probably Ramblin'Man too. The rest of the albums would have been better and when the band ended in 2014, it would have been a better band with all six originals still hitting the note.
But I cant know that with certainly. They may have broken up years before 2014 or with all six in their sixties and years of alchohol and substance abuse, they may have been out of gas and sounding rough by 2014.
We do know Dickey didnt have the chops by 2014 or his sweet singing voice and Gregg was struggling and making a lot of mistakes the last years of the ABB. So perhaps they wouldn't have been as good as the actual band was in 2014. But it would still be that classic original lineup and band fans would have loved it no matter.
What could have been if someone had not died can never be answered with certainly. But one thing is certain, Duane Allman had an energy and inspiration like Elvis or Hendrix or Michael Jackson or Frank Sinatra. People who have that special thing will always be successful. They can't be denied I think. And I submit Duane was the only member the band ever had who had that magical infectious energy that someone like Janis Joplin had. Duane was the only one. He was 24 when he died. How about 64? Duane I think would still be special and would continue as the key to the band, the Jesse James of the entire outfit.