Thread: The Brother's March 10, 2020

CB - 6/30/2020 at 06:32 PM

Just got an email from nugs.net

The audio from the Brothers at MSG show on March 10th 2020 is now available for pre-order, releasing on July 3rd at THIS LINK
We are also rebroadcasting (a re-edited version of) the show this weekend, available for purchase in HD or 4K on nugs.tv.
Customers who purchased the webcast when it was originally broadcast get the re-broadcast for free.


jszfunk - 6/30/2020 at 06:56 PM

Cool that it is being released. I guess I was hoping or wanting like an official band release with a nice packaging dvd bluray with audio cd and a t shirt would have been cool. Oh well, beggars cant be choosers.


Soup - 6/30/2020 at 08:40 PM

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Cool that it is being released. I guess I was hoping or wanting like an official band release with a nice packaging dvd bluray with audio cd and a t shirt would have been cool. Oh well, beggars cant be choosers.


I'm with you on that and I would say that I have no working knowledge of official decisions being made, but I think you will get your wish eventually. Especially in a year where none of these musicians are going to make a dime playing live concerts.

I bet by the time the holidays roll around we will have a nice CD/DVD/BluRay combo of that show. I'm actually counting on it.


plqmule - 6/30/2020 at 08:58 PM




Dear Peach People,

In honor of Peach weekend, keep the spirit alive and tune in to the rebroadcast of The Brothers' Live from Madison Square Garden captured on March 10, 2020!

We're celebrating The 50th Anniversary of the Allman Brothers Band and will air the sold out, one-night only special performance this weekend, Friday (7/3) on nugs.tv - starting at 8pm EDT.

Don't miss this exclusive offer to enjoy the show for only $9.99 (regularly $12.99).

Use offer code 'PEACHBROS' at checkout to unlock the special Peach price!

https://www.nugs.net/live-download-of-the-brothers-3-10-2020-hd-live-at-mad ison-square-garden-new-york-ny-07-03-2020-mp3-flac-or-online-music-streamin g/24968-WEBCAST.html?__siteDate=202006300051


JimSheridan - 6/30/2020 at 09:23 PM

I guess I will check out the Nugs.tv rebroadcast, but I'd certainly prefer a blu ray.


hotlantatim - 6/30/2020 at 09:41 PM

Looks like an official CD release, though. I'm ordering that option. I can then upload the audio and have a streaming and physical copy.

Full hi def DVD release would be nice too.


WarEagleRK - 7/1/2020 at 04:28 AM

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Looks like an official CD release, though. I'm ordering that option. I can then upload the audio and have a streaming and physical copy.

Full hi def DVD release would be nice too.


Keep in mind if it's through Nugs.net, it likely won't be a silver pressed CD, but a CD-R release.


adhill58 - 7/1/2020 at 12:46 PM

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Looks like an official CD release, though. I'm ordering that option. I can then upload the audio and have a streaming and physical copy.

Full hi def DVD release would be nice too.


Keep in mind if it's through Nugs.net, it likely won't be a silver pressed CD, but a CD-R release.


I wonder what the actual physical copy will be like. If it was going to be the typical nugs.net release, why wasn't it available within 48 hours of the show? I figured it was going to be an actual normal release that would go to the record stores because it was taking so long. Add another head-scratcher to the long list...

I also wonder why they can't put out some of the archival shows that have been begged for on this forum on nugs.net as downloads. The band is already selling other shows on nugs.net, and not having to manufacture physical copies would surely make it a less risky financial venture.


DarylM - 7/1/2020 at 07:45 PM

Audio CD pre-ordered. Yep, I'm somewhat surprised by this release as well. An
elaborate CD/DVD/BR issue I thought was a fait accompli. I've ordered
several Springsteen archival CDs through Nugs - the only drag is the interminable
wait until they arrive up here in the wilds of Canada.


meandean - 7/4/2020 at 01:56 AM

I tried ordering this thing 3 times today on the Nugs website. Each time it told me to confirm my billing address, which I would then re-type. I had already entered my debit card info, so I have no idea why my billing address was so important. I gave up after getting pretty irritated. Guess Iíll have to hope and wait for a blu-ray release as well.


robslob - 7/4/2020 at 01:36 PM

I won't buy it mainly because there is only one original band member on it.

That said, I finally got to watch it last night because my friend Don ordered the original broadcast and called me to come over last night and see the re-broadcast for the first time.

I am somewhat shocked by what I heard. Don pretty much summed it up, "I can't remember hearing one single note out of place" and I agree 100%. For two guys named Duane Trucks and Reese Wynans to sit in so entirely seamlessly in a 3-1/2 hour set was mind-boggling to say the least. Add in Chuck Leavell for about 1/2 the show..............definitely worth seeing and hearing.


JimSheridan - 7/4/2020 at 02:29 PM

Every person on that stage was ready to play. 100% locked in. Derek playing Duaneís goldtop was icing on the cake. One of the best shows Iíve ever seen.


thetoweringfool - 7/4/2020 at 03:34 PM

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I won't buy it mainly because there is only one original band member on it.

That said, I finally got to watch it last night because my friend Don ordered the original broadcast and called me to come over last night and see the re-broadcast for the first time.

I am somewhat shocked by what I heard. Don pretty much summed it up, "I can't remember hearing one single note out of place" and I agree 100%. For two guys named Duane Trucks and Reese Wynans to sit in so entirely seamlessly in a 3-1/2 hour set was mind-boggling to say the least. Add in Chuck Leavell for about 1/2 the show..............definitely worth seeing and hearing.
yeah.... knew itíd be great and had some good friends attend; I wanted to but just had a baby. What they pulled off was jaw-dropping. That was as inspired and in incendiary as it gets...period. An absolute triumph.


blackey - 7/4/2020 at 09:11 PM

Yes those guys did a very good job playing a tribute to the Allman Brothers Band and it's music. A band and legacy those musicians clearly respect and hold in high esteem. It was a very fine show.

But it isn't the Allman Brothers Band. I would never play that show thinking I was playing an Allman Brothers Band show. No Gregg, no Duane, no Dickey, no Berry, no Butch. Blue Sky doesn't ring true without Dickey's voice and unique unmistakable guitar style and tone. Gregg's voice is absolutely crucial to an Allman Brothers show.

I use to think Derek Trucks was the second coming of Duane Allman. But Derek is more different than I thought. Since the virus and home I began comparing their solos on the same ABB songs. For one thing I noticed Derek likes to run his slide down the neck often. Sometimes after just a few notes over and over. Duane doesnt do that. I'll just leave it at that because Derek is great slide player in his own right and he says Duane Allman and a little Elmore James are the foundation of his style with the addition of some eastern musicians he studied later. To me when it comes to Statesboro Blues, Dreams, Must Have Did Somebody Wrong, Trouble No More. One Way Out etc Duane Allman is tops. The tone, note structure and energy Duane Allman lays down is in a class all its own.

But I'll buy The Brothers show because it's good just as I buy good Govt Mule, Gregg and Dickey solo, Sea Level.


thetoweringfool - 7/4/2020 at 09:38 PM

No one, not the players nor the promoters considered this an ABB show. It was a tribute for the ABBís 50th anniversary; fittingly held on their 51st. And yes, Duane has no equal imo. As far as Derek is concerned; well, heís the best guitarist going today. Heís in his prime and is still hungry after all these years... heís got his band and ppl are taking notice. May be a household name one day soon. While Duane certainly lit the spark in young, prodigious DT...I think jazz horn players and middle eastern modality ultimately shaped his style. Duane was the foundation though, make no mistake.


JimSheridan - 7/5/2020 at 12:50 AM

Since they didn't call themselves "The Allman Brothers," it was very clear that they were not calling themselves "The Allman Brothers."

It's an amazing show. It's some of the best live music you will see these days. It's a treat.

[Edited on 7/5/2020 by JimSheridan]


pops42 - 7/5/2020 at 01:36 AM

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Yes those guys did a very good job playing a tribute to the Allman Brothers Band and it's music. A band and legacy those musicians clearly respect and hold in high esteem. It was a very fine show.

But it isn't the Allman Brothers Band. I would never play that show thinking I was playing an Allman Brothers Band show. No Gregg, no Duane, no Dickey, no Berry, no Butch. Blue Sky doesn't ring true without Dickey's voice and unique unmistakable guitar style and tone. Gregg's voice is absolutely crucial to an Allman Brothers show.

I use to think Derek Trucks was the second coming of Duane Allman. But Derek is more different than I thought. Since the virus and home I began comparing their solos on the same ABB songs. For one thing I noticed Derek likes to run his slide down the neck often. Sometimes after just a few notes over and over. Duane doesnt do that. I'll just leave it at that because Derek is great slide player in his own right and he says Duane Allman and a little Elmore James are the foundation of his style with the addition of some eastern musicians he studied later. To me when it comes to Statesboro Blues, Dreams, Must Have Did Somebody Wrong, Trouble No More. One Way Out etc Duane Allman is tops. The tone, note structure and energy Duane Allman lays down is in a class all its own.

But I'll buy The Brothers show because it's good just as I buy good Govt Mule, Gregg and Dickey solo, Sea Level.
Duane and BO have been dead almost 50 years, Gregg and Butch have been gone a few years now, Dickey is retired, its over. Nobody ever said The Brothers, was The ABB. Appreciate it for what it is, it may never happen again.


CanadianMule - 7/5/2020 at 03:38 AM

I don't care what you call them - that group of musicians playing together is magic under any name.

You add in Chuck and it is so over the Top! Of course, Gregg's voice can't be replaced but Warren knocked it out of the park. No knock on Gregg but Reese is a much better player which is what helped it all sound so good. And with his musical history, it is deserving for him to be up there with all those other greats.


CanadianMule - 7/5/2020 at 03:46 AM

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I use to think Derek Trucks was the second coming of Duane Allman. But Derek is more different than I thought.


Always found it strange when some would say that Derek sounded like Duane. I get the kindred musical spirit stuff but as for playing styles. They are very different players. Warren's slide playing has always leaned closer to what Duane played. Likely comes from learning from the albums as we all did and then playing Duane's part with Dickey before the reunion. After the reunion, they likely "asked" him to play similar to the albums and Duane. All while doing his own thing.

Ten seconds into my first ABB show in 89 and I immediately turned to a friend and said - "I have no idea who that guy is but he does Duane Allman real well. The Original ABB sound is back!". What a great move it was to hire Warren/Woody. I was hooked.


Shavian - 7/5/2020 at 03:55 PM

It amazes me that some people get so hung up on who's in the band and what they call themselves.

This was Jaimoe's idea to belatedly celebrate the 50th anniversary.

What they pulled off was fantastic and whether Derek doesn't sound the same as Duane, or Dickey wasn't there to sing Blue Sky doesn't detract from it one iota.

At 76, I'm not sure Dickey's voice would have been up to it.

He was invited and made his apologies so it's a moot point.


CB - 7/5/2020 at 04:45 PM

I ordered this in March and watched again last night.

I have to say, the video re-edit was awesome.

The audio mix was incredible too. Hearing Chuck on Midnight Rider and Whipping Post added to the songs without changing the feel.

CDs on order. Hoping there is some way to buy the video in the future.


blackey - 7/5/2020 at 05:14 PM

https://youtu.be/0Ov14p-V-io

CB here is Chuck playing the first solo on Whipping Post in 1973 recorded live in San Francisco. Gregg follows with a good organ solo. The tandem drum work between Jaimoe (on Gregg's side) and Butch (on Chuck's side) is just stellar.

This is actually better than The Brothers verison at MSG. You have Gregg Allman on vocals and a young Dickey Betts on lead guitar which is better for an ABB fan than Warren on vocals and Derek or Warren on lead guitar any day of the week. Nod to Larmar Williams on bass who was every bit as good as Otiel.




[Edited on 7/5/2020 by blackey]


Stephen - 7/5/2020 at 09:32 PM

Good/better/best is null & void in the world of music sweet music - all in what oneís ears hears
Great 1973 version - does the March 10 release include the full show?
Another ? (off topic)
Any recommendations on the final 6 nite run Oct 2014 - the last one the 28th w/no guests has always gotten big love - looked at setlists in database & itís like, where to begin

Only Slightly keen for this March 10 show - will be cool to see how, separated by a 37- year divide, Chuck sounds on these 2 WPosts


[Edited on 7/6/2020 by Stephen]


CanadianMule - 7/6/2020 at 04:19 AM

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Good/better/best is null & void in the world of music sweet music - all in what oneís ears hears


Exactly.

If these guys toured under any name then they would be my favorite band touring.


blackey - 7/6/2020 at 11:41 AM

CanadianMule. Why would they be your favorite touring band? Because they play Allman Brothers Band music? Or you like the mix of musicians and they would your favorite even if they came up with their own sound and songs?

It's unlikely these creative musicians would agree to be a touring band covering another band's songs and cover picks unless they called it The Allman Brothers which they clearly are not. Maybe Lynyrd Skynyrd can get by with no Ronnie and ONE original member but the ABB could never float without Gregg Allman. Thankfully these musicians love the ABB and its legacy as much as we do so they wouldn't dare called it the Allman Brothers. Indeed it's unlikely they will tour under any name. Maybe a few Beacon ABB tribute shows and I would go see it but even that is unlikely.


adhill58 - 7/6/2020 at 02:05 PM

NOBODY wants to call the band that played on 03/10/20 the ABB. They were not trying to call themselves the ABB. People need to stop acting like it was something other than it was. Nobody got "impersonated".

The band that played is damn near the best collection of living musicians for my taste in live music. I would go see them for 365 nights in a row if that was possible. I would enjoy hearing them play ABB music, new music, blues covers, etc. it literally wouldn't matter to me.

I get it that some people like past line-ups of the ABB better than the final one. I get it, believe me. The past is the past. Being in the room when live music is happening is what makes it so incredible. The band that you can actually go see play a live show is the best version at any given point. It has been that way with every version of the ABB, Les Brers, or The Brothers. Enjoy the music that is happening instead of complaining that it is not something from the past. Worrying that different ABB fans have different favorite line-ups seems like a waste of energy.

Feel free to like what you like, but the 'Liz Reed that they played on 03/10/20 was as good as anything played by anybody anytime anywhere period. Maybe not "better", but as good.


jszfunk - 7/6/2020 at 03:37 PM

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Looks like an official CD release, though. I'm ordering that option. I can then upload the audio and have a streaming and physical copy.

Full hi def DVD release would be nice too.


Keep in mind if it's through Nugs.net, it likely won't be a silver pressed CD, but a CD-R release.


I wonder what the actual physical copy will be like. If it was going to be the typical nugs.net release, why wasn't it available within 48 hours of the show? I figured it was going to be an actual normal release that would go to the record stores because it was taking so long. Add another head-scratcher to the long list...

I also wonder why they can't put out some of the archival shows that have been begged for on this forum on nugs.net as downloads. The band is already selling other shows on nugs.net, and not having to manufacture physical copies would surely make it a less risky financial venture.



I guess I will be buying the Nugs CD. Still some what questioning why this is not being given more of a special traditional treatment with an "official" commercial release. Kinda disappointed in a way. Oh well.

While I was over at Nugs I was looking at a few Mule songs I have been wanting. Its been awhile and I kinda forgot they do not sell individual downloads, you have to purchase the whole show. Others you can pick. I can see that for the initial release and maybe for a time period after that. But they have such a vast back catalog of shows it seems like they would make it more accessible and be able to pick and choose. I already have a bunch and really do not need that many multiple copies of some of the material. And I dont want to pay 30.00-40.00(12.95 per show) for maybe 5-6 songs from a run of concerts.


dzobo - 7/6/2020 at 06:23 PM

There is always the debate about who played the hell out of what song. On this night The Brothers "Black Hearted Woman" was right up there and "Every Hungry Woman" was phenomenal with great work by Rhys and Derek and Warren exchanging major licks.

Also one rare feature was Derek playing on "Melissa". Typically he sits this out but with Warren on acoustic he got a chance to do an electric lead. One of my rare complaints about Derek though is that he cranks it a little too hard on some of the softer ballads. I thought this was another example of that.


blackey - 7/6/2020 at 08:54 PM

I wish they would just play instrumental versions of those songs if they play again. I have never been fond of another singing for Gregg or Dickey. Now if this isn't the Allman Brothers Band and a tribute to the Allman Brothers then that is fine for others to sing Whioping Post or Blue Sky.

I keep detecting a vibe from some and even in the press just after I returned from Manhattan to my house that it was indeed another Allman Brothers show and out of respect to Gregg perhaps "Allman" was dropped but we all know this was another incarnation of the Allman Brothers for just one more show. It seemed to be promoted that way too and that it was indeed actually the latest ABB lineup albeit with a slight tweak on the name. After all we have Jaimoe, Derek, Warren, Otiel and Marc. Man that is FIVE guys from the last lineup. Then Duane Trucks subs for his dad and Reese actually had the organ job before Gregg and Chuck was a MEMBER from 1972 to 1976. Oh hell we know what this is. It's the Allman Brothers even though we better not call it exactly that so purests like blackey won't get all out of shape. Blackey can barely go when Duane, Berry and Dickey are no longer in the band.

Actually I really enjoyed the show. It was a great tribute and tip of the hat to the Allman Brothers and especially to Duane, Gregg and Dickey whom without......none of this would have ever happened. We would all have different bands as our favorites. It was a tribute to the Allman Brothers NOT the Allman Brothers. You just can't have an Allman Brothers without Gregg. Period.

But I enjoyed the show. I imagine none of the musicians viewed it as an Allman Brothers show but that is how it is being described by some even in the press.


pops42 - 7/6/2020 at 09:11 PM

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I wish they would just play instrumental versions of those songs if they play again. I have never been fond of another singing for Gregg or Dickey. Now if this isn't the Allman Brothers Band and a tribute to the Allman Brothers then that is fine for others to sing Whioping Post or Blue Sky.

I keep detecting a vibe from some and even in the press just after I returned from Manhattan to my house that it was indeed another Allman Brothers show and out of respect to Gregg perhaps "Allman" was dropped but we all know this was another incarnation of the Allman Brothers for just one more show. It seemed to be promoted that way too and that it was indeed actually the latest ABB lineup albeit with a slight tweak on the name. After all we have Jaimoe, Derek, Warren, Otiel and Marc. Man that is FIVE guys from the last lineup. Then Duane Trucks subs for his dad and Reese actually had the organ job before Gregg and Chuck was a MEMBER from 1972 to 1976. Oh hell we know what this is. It's the Allman Brothers even though we better not call it exactly that so purests like blackey won't get all out of shape. Blackey can barely go when Duane, Berry and Dickey are no longer in the band.

Actually I really enjoyed the show. It was a great tribute and tip of the hat to the Allman Brothers and especially to Duane, Gregg and Dickey whom without......none of this would have ever happened. We would all have different bands as our favorites. It was a tribute to the Allman Brothers NOT the Allman Brothers. You just can't have an Allman Brothers without Gregg. Period.

But I enjoyed the show. I imagine none of the musicians viewed it as an Allman Brothers show but that is how it is being described by some even in the press.
Be grateful for the show, enjoy the music, and please give it a rest, for f#ck sake!


CB - 7/6/2020 at 09:15 PM

There are just as many members from the original Allman Bothers Band in the 3/10/20 line up as there are original members of the Eagles in the 2018 concert that was on ESPN last night.

Sure, Joe Walsh and Timothy Schmidt have been in the Eagles for a long time.
Warren, Oteil, Marc, and Derek have been in the Allman Brothers for a long time,.

Great players, great music in both shows - just enjoy the listening.


blackey - 7/6/2020 at 11:08 PM

Is Don Henley the only original member now in the Eagles? Jaimoe the only original in the Allman Brothers. Or is it the Allman Brothers? Or is it a tribute to the Allman Brothers type band?

What is it to you CB? The Allman Brothers or a tribute band?

Gary Rossington only original in Lynyrd Skynyrd. Funny thing about Lynyrd Skynyrd and Journey and Fleetwood Mac, the ORIGINAL band is not the lineup that put the band in the pink. There are a lot of bands like that. When we think about THE Allman Brothers Band, we think about the original lineup on Fillmore East and Eat A Peach. When we think about Journey, we think about the Perry years. Fleetwood Mac, the Stevie Nicks years.




blackey - 7/6/2020 at 11:12 PM

Well pops42, what is the MSG band to you? The Allman Brothers or a tribute band?

I'm too old to f***k. Unless some chemical shows up in the water.


adhill58 - 7/6/2020 at 11:15 PM

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I wish they would just play instrumental versions of those songs if they play again. I have never been fond of another singing for Gregg or Dickey. Now if this isn't the Allman Brothers Band and a tribute to the Allman Brothers then that is fine for others to sing Whioping Post or Blue Sky.

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It was a tribute to the Allman Brothers NOT the Allman Brothers. You just can't have an Allman Brothers without Gregg. Period.

But I enjoyed the show. I imagine none of the musicians viewed it as an Allman Brothers show but that is how it is being described by some even in the press.


Why in the world should they have to do instrumental versions of songs that have lyrics? The idea that nobody should be allowed to sing Gregg or Dickey's songs is just crazy. Gregg can sing Elmore James, but nobody can sing Gregg Allman?

You have to try to let it go for your own sanity. I can't really see taking offense to them not using the name because you don't think they should use the name when they didn't use the name. (See, the situation can't even be described without sounding confusing.)

It was the ABB without Duane for 42 years, so there's that...

Also, was "Reach For The Sky" a better album than "Hittin' The Note" because it had one more original member on it?


And again, nobody was trying to fool people that this was the ABB. Anyone who would care about it knows that Gregg and Butch are no longer around. Just like anyone who would care knows that Jimmy Herring is not Dickey Betts.

The Brothers show was super good in March. The Les Brers shows I have been able to hear have been super good. The times Jack sat-in with Gov't Mule and played ABB songs were super good. The people who are around to continue to play this type of music in a capable manner should continue to do it whenever they want to. The more the better, as far as I am concerned.


Stephen - 7/6/2020 at 11:52 PM

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It was a tribute to the Allman Brothers NOT the Allman Brothers. You just can't have an Allman Brothers without Gregg. Period.





You have to try to let it go for your own sanity. I can't really see taking offense to them not using the name because you don't think they should use the name when they didn't use the name. (See, the situation can't even be described without sounding confusing.)

Also, was "Reach For The Sky" a better album than "Hittin' The Note" because it had one more original member on it?



Is the non-ABB March 20 show more ABB than the scorned but ABB-labeled Brothers of the Road show - an era many felt wasnít the ABB even w/the original 4 members through most of it
Yes very confusing - how does the Hell & High Water CD stack up w/HTNote
I love the ABB


adhill58 - 7/7/2020 at 01:01 AM

Dickey had someone sing Gregg's vocals in Great Southern shows - surely an original member would know that's against the rules.


adhill58 - 7/7/2020 at 01:14 AM

I got the download from nugs.net, and I am a little disappointed with the way they tracked the songs. They usually make separate tracks for talking. On this one, all of the talk is at the end of each song. Jaimoe's speech before the encore is tracked at the end of the song before. Even Chuck's little "Will the Circle..." piano intro into "Soulshine" is tracked with the song before it, "Come and Go Blues". The recording seems a little treble-y in spots, too, but that is just nit-picking.

Great show. I am glad I finally can listen to it on my commute to work. It seems like Derek deferred to Warren to do the second solo on most songs. I am a huge fan of Derek "taking to the next level", but Warren really steps up and "knocks 'em out of the park" all night long on this one. Reese is just the icing on the cake, as far solos go. I wish there was 45 years of his work on these songs to hear.


pops42 - 7/7/2020 at 05:03 AM

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Well pops42, what is the MSG band to you? The Allman Brothers or a tribute band?

I'm too old to f***k. Unless some chemical shows up in the water.
Its great music by stellar musicians. if you want to sh!t on it because its not the original 6 , have at it.


mustangbob - 7/7/2020 at 11:40 AM

I think it was around 2007 2008 that Munck music began recording every show. Since that time I have collected CDs from many shows I attended at the Beacon, United Palace, Allgood, Peach, Tower Theater, Cleveland, Wanee and now MSG. After extensive listening to Each show I pull a song or two (sometimes none) to add to my ABB tops playlist. Sort of a greatest performance playlist. I just downloaded MSG show yesterday so I am very early on in my listen but adhill58 reminded me of what I think is a great version of Come and Go Blues and Soulshine. These songs really need to be played together due to the way they were split as adhill58 noted in one of his posts. Neither of these songs a favorite of mine but at this early stage really really liking this version. Could impact how I feel about the songs in general. PS The show I attended which has the greatest number of My favorite song Versions Is 3/20/10 show at United Palace. Bill Evans playing on Dreams and Liz Reed exceptional. Lastly I donít get hung up on what we call the band - just extremely grateful that I have all these incredible live recordings of their shows.


Stephen - 7/7/2020 at 12:33 PM

Need more shows from that era - 40th anniversary show 3/26/2009, the ones w/Clapton sitting in, the Nov-Dec 2011 Philly-Boston run, esp the Orpheum show where they played EAP in its entirety - the Beacon show where they played FE all the way thru - the 2010 United Center show mentioned - 10/28/2014........
2009 Meadowbrook is the only one I have, & a great show it is - stoked to the 9s about 3/10/2020!


mustangbob - 7/7/2020 at 01:31 PM

sitting at home working listening to MSG Mountain Jam and although it is short by ABB standards the band is tearing it up. Definitely will make my fave list.


Shavian - 7/7/2020 at 06:48 PM

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Then Duane Trucks subs for his dad .....


Duane is Derek's brother, so Butch wasn't his father.


blackey - 7/7/2020 at 07:31 PM

Yep I meant to write uncle.

Mustangbob. Yeah Mountain Jam is a little short by Allman Brothers standards but this isn't the Allman Brothers. This is a tribute to the Allman Brothers Band band. So a lot of it is different than an actual ABB show. The biggest difference is no Gregg Allman. I remember Warren saying before the show to the press one of the big things to work out is how are they going to do those songs without Gregg singing and who will sing what. So I wondered about that myself and didn't know what to expect. And it turned out Warren sang most of it. Also I had a hunch Chuck would sing Blue Sky for Dickey and I was right.

Chuck and Dickey are good friends apparently. Not long ago Chuck said when he performs solo, Jessica is his signature song and he called Dickey to make sure that was okay and Dickey told him he was honored by that.


mustangbob - 7/7/2020 at 10:08 PM

Blackey - Funny thing is for all the Beacon shows I attended I enjoyed the few where Gregg was absent as some of the best. Depending on the year he may have sounded weak or would forget lines or when to come in. An otherwise rousing version of Whipping Post on 3/10/20 marred when he started vocals all wrong. Amazed that he was able to get back on track. No complaints just the way it was or at least how it struck me. tough to go back and listen to those particular tracks. The band plus the guests seemed more creative (at least free) and energized. Last two shows at Beacon in March 2014 were Greggless before remaining shows were cancelled.. some really great songs including an amazing version of Franklins Tower. Anyway as I said before you can call the band the Partrdge family redux. That doesnít get in the way of me enjoying the music. MSG show was a very good one.


hotlantatim - 7/7/2020 at 10:42 PM

I had good expectations for 3/10 and it blew them away that night in person.

It wasn't just the last version of the ABB with replacements for Butch & Gregg. It was this lineup of 7 giving us some unique stuff & variations the last version of the ABB had never done, mixed in with the classic ABB sound and familiar arrangements.


hotlantatim - 7/7/2020 at 10:48 PM

I had good expectations for 3/10 and it blew them away that night in person.

It wasn't just the last version of the ABB with replacements for Butch & Gregg. It was a lineup of 7 giving us some unique variations the last version of the ABB hadn't done, mixed in with the classic ABB sound and some familiar, straight up arrangements. Chuck playing on multiple songs he didn't originally which instantly made those unique. Derek & Warren approaching some parts differently. Reese had a similar but different style (his solo on DWYNM opened the evening and was different than anything Gregg had ever done). And an ultra tight performance.

Impressive it was pulled off like that on 4 days rehearsal. Bravo and I'll play this one multiple times just for the uniqueness of different voice, players and approach.


BIGV - 7/7/2020 at 11:40 PM

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I had good expectations for 3/10 and it blew them away that night in person.

It wasn't just the last version of the ABB with replacements for Butch & Gregg. It was a lineup of 7 giving us some unique variations the last version of the ABB hadn't done, mixed in with the classic ABB sound and some familiar, straight up arrangements. Chuck playing on multiple songs he didn't originally which instantly made those unique. Derek & Warren approaching some parts differently. Reese had a similar but different style (his solo on DWYNM opened the evening and was different than anything Gregg had ever done). And an ultra tight performance.

Impressive it was pulled off like that on 4 days rehearsal. Bravo and I'll play this one multiple times just for the uniqueness of different voice, players and approach.


Agreed. I'd give it an A+ performance. The vocals were the biggest difference for me. It took a little getting used to hearing Warren sing INMCTB, but the music was just the same as it always had been. Must have been a great experience to see it one last time.


4/6 of your posts so far have been related to music, bet you can't keep up that percentage Boynton Brother!


CanadianMule - 7/8/2020 at 05:59 AM

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CanadianMule. Why would they be your favorite touring band? Because they play Allman Brothers Band music? Or you like the mix of musicians and they would your favorite even if they came up with their own sound and songs?



I go see them both now with different bands so why would I not want to see Warren/Derek together. Add in Chuck and the rest of the guys and what a killer band. I would love them even if they didn't play a single ABB song.

I said on this forum a long time ago - They should have made a band Haynes/Trucks and they would be ten albums deep. They sat around for years with the ABB and made one album.


blackey - 7/8/2020 at 11:03 AM

Yes that is true CanadianMule. The mix of old guys (who had the control of the band) and the new guys failed to morph into the determination and creativity it takes to make a band grow and produce new music and albums.

Warren and Derek mentioned several times how they are eager to get the band in the studio. Warren said he himself had new songs for the band to record. Eventually Gregg joined their push to get into the studio and Gregg went public and said there would be another Allman Brothers album even if they had to record it without Butch Trucks. Apparently Butch didn't see the point in spending the money it would take to do a good album (they were not with a label) if it wasn't going to sell that well. Their money was coming from playing live.

In 2002 Butch and Gregg were wanting to get into the studio now they were rid of Epic Records and show the world the Allman Brothers Band can do a good album without Dickey Betts being on it and hogging the song writing. They did Hitting The Note which was a good album. I bought it and liked it and apparently most hardcore fans did. But it didn't sell well and that must have been why Butch didn't see why they should do that again. Butch made that argument when he was still posting on this site. Apparently after 2000AD and Epic they had to pay for their own studio time and production and releasing costs. You know the ABB actually got out of the mood to put out new albums in 1995. After 1994's Where It All Begins, they only did one and it was done mostly to show they didn't need Dickey to do an album.

Warren and Derek and even Gregg decided there was no creative need to keep the Allman Brothers going by 2006 and they had a meeting and agreed they were end it after the 40fh anniversary shows in 2009. Great shows at the Beacon that year with Clapton and others who had played with Duane. But Butch Trucks got cold feet as Warren put it and pressed for 5 more years. So they played on until 2014 and Warren felt it was happening again so he and Derek went public that they were leaving the band after the 45th anniversary shows.

I don't know why Butch was like that but my guess and hunch was he needed the good paying shows to get his tax mess straighten out.

Butch was a great drummer and played hard for the band from the beginning. Butch apparently could never chill his anger and hatred for Dickey Betts and a few other people such as Ed King seemed to keep him steamed. It turned out to be a sad, sad story and situation for Butch. Butch was one of my heroes and favorites and so were Dickey and Gregg. I hated to see those guys like that... then Butch dying like he did. Well it's just awful. One thing for certain there was plenty of drama in the Allman Brothers beginning with Duane getting killed. And you know, it hurt that band. They would of had several more fantastic new albums if all that crap didn't keep coming around. Drugs? Alcohol? I guess.

But the young new generation Allman Brothers were full of energy and creativity like the old guys were in 1970. They wanted to record and grow and the old guys were not that motivated anymore to record new music.


Agerst1574 - 7/8/2020 at 11:49 AM

Going to make this simple. I had more fun and thought the show on 3/10 was more fun and better than most of the ABB shows I saw from 20004-2014.


blackey - 7/8/2020 at 12:07 PM

I did too Agerst1574. At the show I wasn't thinking I was actually seeing the Allman Brothers so it wasn't distracting not to hear Gregg and Dickey singing. At a Stones concert I want Mick to be there or why go.

That lineup was like the original Allman Brothers. They all came to play and free of negative thoughts and arguments and jealousies toward other guys on the stage. It does make a difference.

Likely the MSQ band was the only lineup completely free of any negative BS floating around in the stage since the original lineup.

You didn't detect any of that with the original band and the same at Madison Square Garden.

[Edited on 7/8/2020 by blackey]


VTAB - 7/8/2020 at 01:56 PM

Blackey you are doing a 180 degree about face from your post of 7/4? Why can't a group of musicians whom 5 out of 7 once played with the ABB call themselves the Brothers without you taking offense? Why don't you get we love the music not the label ? No one expected GA, DA, BO, DB or BT to show up!!! It was still great music.


adhill58 - 7/8/2020 at 02:11 PM

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. At a Stones concert I want Mick to be there or why go.


[Edited on 7/8/2020 by blackey]


Mick Taylor?

[Shooting for some irony...]


adhill58 - 7/8/2020 at 02:20 PM

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At the show I wasn't thinking I was actually seeing the Allman Brothers so it wasn't distracting not to hear Gregg and Dickey singing.
[Edited on 7/8/2020 by blackey]


I almost never go to a show and think that I am seeing some other band whose name was not on the tickets and advertisements. Is that just me?


cyclone88 - 7/8/2020 at 04:08 PM

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I've seen the ABB about 40 times,

Interesting Boyton Brother. In your earlier - now deleted posts - you said you'd seen them at least 50 times. Hard to keep your stories straight, isn't it?

As for the post, people have been sharing their experiences since the week before the show happened. You're pretty nervy to ask them to repeat it all just for you because you hadn't returned in March.


Joe_the_Lurker - 7/8/2020 at 04:32 PM

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what separated the 3/10 show from the '04-'14 lineup in your opinion?


The Spirit of Celebration

The One Night Only Setlist that had about Everything. How often do you get Dreams, Jessica, Mtn jam, Liz Reed and Whippin Post in the same show? Desdemona was one of my faves. So glad they had time for that one.

All of the players just effortlessly slaying each song like it was their last time to ever do it with that particular lineup.


Joe_the_Lurker - 7/8/2020 at 04:51 PM

Is it possible to search the setlist archive for more than one song at a time? I am trying but can't figure it out.


Agerst1574 - 7/8/2020 at 07:28 PM

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Going to make this simple. I had more fun and thought the show on 3/10 was more fun and better than most of the ABB shows I saw from 20004-2014.


Could you elaborate on why you think this? I wasn't able to attend the 3/10 show unfortunately, so I'm curious to hear details about what it was like inside and up close. From 2004-2014, I've seen the ABB about 40 times, so what separated the 3/10 show from the '04-'14 lineup in your opinion?


Since the question was in response to my post, I want to provide an answer. First off, the crowd was great. Wide spectrum of ages and just a joy to be around. There were a group of hasidics in front of me who were smoking weed and they offered me some but they were getting off on the music.

Someone stated it was a celebration, and it was. I had no problems with Gregís vocals being handled by other people. Greg was hit and miss during the last ten years vocally. Reese and Chuck were terrific on the keyboards and the band was both loose but structured and not afraid to jam. Having listened to the show several times after seeing it live, the strength of the playing holds up. Just a spectacular show.

The first time I saw the band live was at the reunion gig in 1979 and I have seen them over 30 times. The show in March was perhaps the most joyful show I have seen this music live with the exception of the Clapton appearance I saw (2nd night) in 2009.


JimSheridan - 7/8/2020 at 07:44 PM

Celebration and joy. It was a reunion of friends as well as a tribute. The vibe coming off these friends was palpable.

They had also had a ton of time off from doing this, and that brought a freshness to it. I'm sure that knowing it was a one-off meant that they put everything that they had into it.

The presence of Chuck Leavell cannot be underestimated, either in musical talent or personal charisma.

Gregg may have been the heart and soul of the Allman Brothers Band, but in some ways, he was not in his prime in those last 10-12 years. His voice was not as strong, his command of lyrics was not always on, his timing....I do not want to turn this into a Greg bashing, but Warren as lead singer of this crew was in total command and 110% on his game, and that made this show very strong.

There was a real swagger onstage.
For years, Derek was often stoic and mostly motionless onstage. This was true with DTB as well as with ABB. However, as the TTB has grown, Derek's stage demeanor has changed markedly. He leads that band with his physical cues, he puts physical English on his licks, he moves all around, smiles, laughs, and at this Brothers show, he really had a swagger that he had not shown previously with the ABB.


blackey - 7/8/2020 at 08:24 PM

Several have mentioned Gregg being disappointing and not up to par the last years of the ABB. One person just recently said on this thread the Beacon shows Gregg did not play during the last years were better than the one's he did play. Not a puriest position like I would take. I would rather hear the original band too old to bring it like younger replacements could bring it. I didn't get to hear the original band get old because two of them died at age 24. Butch and Jaimoe were still playing rather well but perhaps if they had lived, Duane and Berry would have been more like Dickey got and Gregg too as they moved into their 60's

But if you were following Butch Trucks on his blog from 2008 onward, some fans complained about Gregg's subpar performances which apparently were becoming more frequently noticed.

Butch seemed to love to answer fans questions but as things became more negative for Butch he eventually stopped doing it. I clearly remember Butch's response when he reacted to those occasional complaints. Butch Trucks: "If you don't like the way we sound or what songs we put in the set then please do not come to our shows. Also I have NO control over how Gregg Allman sounds or what he does or does not do. Zero control".



[Edited on 7/8/2020 by blackey]


Stephen - 7/8/2020 at 08:58 PM

He could still knock it out in his 60s, fortunately the shows he struggled were the exception, & on LCBlues, Southern Blood etc he sounds fantastic powerful & convincing as he ever did imo

All the bros, Duane & BO, Gregg & Butch, Lamar, Woody, Red Dog, Twiggs & all those guys - they wouldíve been lighting up the spacious firmament w/happiness looking down at Jaimoe, Warren, Chuck & that crack band 3/10 -
no doubt Dickey was too if he was tuned in from Fla - super keyed to hear it

[Edited on 7/8/2020 by Stephen]


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