Thread: Come and Go Blues - Friends of the Brothers w Lamar Williams Jr.

AlPaul - 5/13/2020 at 07:21 PM

"Come And Go Blues" - Friends of the Brothers feat. Lamar Williams Jr. >>

blackey - 5/13/2020 at 07:48 PM

Oh I enjoyed that!! That song has one of the best grooves Gregg ever wrote. And Lamar Williams, Jr. You all need to let Lamar sing all the ABB songs on a CD and with his voice, it would be a hit in the African American community. James Ingram of Pebo Bryson meets the Allman Brothers. Great version indeed.

And the drummer in the blue ball cap is playing with traditional grip! Buddy Rich said you aren't holding your stick right if you don't but I see Buddy videos on YouTube and he occasionally plays matched.

You and Andy ever heard those Buddy Rich bus tapes?? Talking about cussing out your band!! Wow.

AlPaul - 5/13/2020 at 08:02 PM

Blackey - LOL... lamar is great and the sweetest guy and best house guest. I miss him!

I used to love those Buddy Rich tapes. The drummer in the blue cap is Van Romaine, one of the best. Years with Steve Morse. Played with everybody and has been drummer/ M.d. for Enrique Iglesias for a long time now.

blackey - 5/13/2020 at 08:43 PM

My Brothers and Sisters 2013 anniversary release had a bonus live show from November, 1973. The Chuck/Lamar lineup. Lamar Williams Sr. was really impressive and great on bass that night. All six of them are real fine. I hope someone has given Lamar Jr. that show. His father shines.

Yeah I remember Gregg Allman laughing about those Buddy Rich bus tapes on a interview with video footage. I figure everyone in the music world has heard them. I read not long ago the piano player slipped a recorded onto the bus with Buddy unawares. I'm not sure but I think that got out after Buddy died.

" I've played with the greatest f****** musicians in the world!! I dare you play like that around me! And you, talk about saxophone. You've got you f****** horn so far in the f****** bell!! You afraid you won't be heard? Everyone can hear your f****** clams out there tonight. You don't need a f****** mic for that."

gina - 5/16/2020 at 12:46 AM

Thanks for postin' it. It is one of my favorite songs. Gregg wanted to be as soulful as Bobby Bland and on that song each time he sung it he was.

Stephen - 5/17/2020 at 10:29 PM

That was fantastic Alan - Lamar continues to show heís a great musician, & am down Fully w/that upfront organ playing!

pops42 - 5/17/2020 at 11:18 PM

Great to listen & view!, thank you!.

VTAB - 5/20/2020 at 02:03 PM

I caught Lamar with Les Brers on that quick tour and was just wonderful.

BIGV - 5/20/2020 at 05:47 PM

Lamar should be the lead vocalist in the "Allman Betts band"...

pops42 - 5/20/2020 at 06:09 PM

Lamar should be the lead vocalist in the "Allman Betts band"...
The "Allman Betts Band" is not an Allman Bros. tribute band.

BIGV - 5/20/2020 at 06:42 PM

Lamar should be the lead vocalist in the "Allman Betts band"...
The "Allman Betts Band" is not an Allman Bros. tribute band.

Maybe, but it does have three members named Allman, Betts and Oakley; why not bring in another whose father was in the band and one like Duane Betts who seems to have real talent and soul?

JimSheridan - 5/20/2020 at 06:51 PM

I'm not sure how permanent it is, but last year, Lamar had started singing for the excellent band The New Mastersounds.

AlPaul - 5/21/2020 at 01:54 AM

Lamar is writing and recording music with NMS, Oteil and on his own. He's a damn good artist and entirely original. He is not in any way restricted to Allman brothers tributes. Give the man his due.

Lamar's father was a key member of the Allman Brothers Band, well before he was actually a member. No one has more claim to the musical legacy than Devon, Duane, Berry and Lamar.

[Edited on 5/21/2020 by AlPaul]

blackey - 5/21/2020 at 11:26 AM

AlPaul. The 1973 version of the ABB could get into some funky jazz that was just crazy good and superb. A Nashville show was one they really brought it in 1973. When the slick jazz would really kick in on In Memory of Elizabeth Reed or Les Brer in A Minor etc, it was Chuck, Lamar and Jaimoe who were really bringing that out and it was impressive! I think it was the zone especially Lamar Williams and Jaimoe were coming from.

Talk about going back to square one. In 1977 I caught a very early Sea Level show at a nightclub in Greensboro, North Carolina. In May of 1974 the Allman Brothers sold out the 30,000 seat Coliseum in Greensboro with Grinderswitch opening. At the nightclub in 1977, they were in a station wagon with an equipment trailer hooked to it. Chuck used a grand piano that the opening band used but Jimmy Nalls, Lamar Williams and Jaimoe brought in and set up their own equipment. No roadies. Jaimoe's floor tom had a big mushroom sticker with The Allman Brothers Band written on it.

Chuck had a belt on his pants that looked like piano keys. I ask him what happened to the ABB and he said Butch and Dickey quit over Gregg and one of the roadies and band business. Said Dickey was putting together a new band and going back to a twin lead sound he had with Duane Allman and he, Jaimoe and Lamar are doing this. I ask about Butch and Chuck said he didn't know. He said Butch Trucks wanted to be in Sea Level and they did a short club tour but Chuck said he liked it better with just Jaimoe.

I wish Lamar Jr. much success. He is a fine singer.

[Edited on 5/21/2020 by blackey]

Stephen - 5/21/2020 at 12:17 PM

hadnít known Butch played on some early Sea Level shows - indeed Chuck, Lamar & Jaimoe always jammed between ABB gigs - Chuck mentions in his book the three of them had a stupendous jam in Washington DC one time w/Jimmy Nalls sitting in, & that was the genesis of Sea Level

blackey - 5/21/2020 at 01:03 PM

Yes Stephen I well remember Chuck telling me that in 1977 or it could have been late 1976 now that I think about it. I thought it was strange that Chuck rejected Butch Trucks for Sea Level and sad. I remember feeling sorry for Butch. Butch later put a band together called TRUCKS. Never saw Trucks and they never played close to me. Close means within a 100 miles. Don't know who was in Trucks. But it had to be short lived because when Dickey saw Gregg at a Jimmy Carter benefit and they talked, Dickey decided he shouldn't have quit working with Gregg and wanted to put the Allman Brothers back together. Gregg was with The Nighthawks then. I saw Gregg twice with The Nighthawks. Once in Atlanta and once in North Carolina I think the city was Raleigh. Anyway Butch, Gregg and Jaimoe joined Dickey for an Allman Brothers set in Central Park in August of 1977. It was a Great Southern concert. Jaimoe had already quit Sea Level by then. Chuck replaced Jaimoe with a drummer I think was called George Weaver and moved Jaimoe to percussion then soon afterward Jaimoe quit.

Chuck and Lamar were not available for the Central Park show but they did play with the Allman Brothers later in August in Macon, Georgia and afterward told Phil Walden they were not going to do it. They were continuing with Sea Level. I remember Chuck being asked in an interview about that and Chuck said it didn't feel like 1973 but 1976 when the band was just phoning it in and he and Lamar didn't want to go back to that. In 1982 Chuck then accepted an invitation to replace Mike Lawler when Gregg and Dickey refused to let Clive Davis and Arista Records dictate how the band sounds and records. Arista still had one album left on the contract and shut the Allman Brothers out of the studio. Gregg and Dickey agreed to back the band out of things. Music tastes had changed, ticket sales were down and the two Arister albums were controlled too much by Arister who was demanding hit singles and a shift in the sound like the Doobie Brothers did with Michael McDonald. Davis even told Dickey to quit wearing his cowboy hat.

Gregg took the Tolers and went solo and Dickey, Butch and Chuck put together a band with Jimmy Hall. At one time I thought Chuck may have played with the. Allman Brothers in 1982 because he is in a band photo from 1982 instead of Mike Lawler. But I now understand the band quit because of Arista Records and falling ticket sales before they played with Chuck Leavell.

Chuck played the two 1986 ABB shows and was invited to join in 1989 and said he would providing the Toler Brothers were not in it. Chuck apparently agreed with Butch and Gregg the 1978 to 1982 lineup didn't have the right chemistry. But in Gregg's book its David Goldflies on bass that was the bad fit. With Butch it was the Tolers and Goldflies I think.

Anyway Dickey said they were going with Warren Haynes and a new bass player. Chuck decided to decline anyway and continue as a side man with the Rolling Stones so Johnny Neal, a friend of Warren's, was brought in. According to Gregg's book Gregg thought Johnny was not a good fit either so he was replaced by Marc Quinones on percussion who was hired by Butch.

Wow the ABB is just one problem after another. Jaimoe said after Dickey was laid off for the summer in 2000AD " This band is always breaking down! I hope Dickey gets better".

blackey - 5/21/2020 at 01:20 PM

Lamar Williams, Chuck and Jaimoe really go JAZZ on this as it goes along. How I remember the Nashville show in 1973.

This is live at Nassau Coliseum 1973.

blackey - 5/21/2020 at 01:41 PM

Wow. Just listened again to that live track. It is dripping with jazz. Lamar Williams is excellent here. Jaimoe on the opposite side is excellent and Chuck Leavell on keys on Larmar's side. You can hear Sea Level inside that band in 1973.

They don't step on the gas like the original band or the last lineup on Liz Reed but I think all would agree this is excellent!!


Stephen - 5/21/2020 at 11:09 PM

Yeah that whole late 70s-early 80s period was a downer for the band - lost big money when Capricorn folded in Ď79, forcing the move to new producers/musicians/label pressure etc & resulting in the Nashville-sounding (to my ears) Arista records

But Iíll go to bat every time for So Long - right there w/Dreams, Oceans Awash, the peak Low Country & Southern Blood ballads......

Same w/Madness as far as instrmntls - beautiful emotional music & the keytar playing is one of many hilites

Imho Chuck made the right call not to have Butch in Sea Level, Jaimoe really shines on those recordings - just like Butchy playin his butt off like he did in BHLT

JimSheridan - 5/22/2020 at 05:10 PM

AlPaul wrote: "Lamar is writing and recording music with NMS, Oteil and on his own. He's a damn good artist and entirely original. He is not in any way restricted to Allman brothers tributes. Give the man his due."

While Lamar sang the Greg songs as a member of Les Brers, he is certainly not a Gregg soundalike. His range enables him to do quite a bit.

That's very interesting that he is writing songs with Oteil. I had not gotten to hear much of Oteil's singing. He showed vocal prowess with the ABB when he would sing "Franklin's Tower," and I kinda wondered why they didn't have him sing more, but I guess when you already have Gregg and Warren, you don't need to have another guy sing much.

However, someone on this site had posted that lovely video set that Oteil did singing Jerry Garcia songs, and I was even more impressed by the vocal range Oteil has. Really lovely soulful singing. So the idea of him collaborating with Lamar certainly sounds promising.

pops42 - 5/22/2020 at 05:18 PM

Its pretty obvious Lamar Jr. has the talent to make on his own.

blackey - 5/22/2020 at 05:39 PM

Lamar Jr's father was certainly a fine bass player.

One of last times I saw the ABB, Otiel sang Dickey's song Seven Turns. And very well too. Derek and Warren were very good that night. Gregg was hit and miss.

Gregg Allman is who most people who came to see and hear sing. Warren and others had to be kept at a minimum. I had fans near me more than once complain about Dickey singing too much. But it was something like Dickey sang Blue Sky then they played Liz Reed followed by Dickey singing Change My Eat of Living or Warren singing Same Thing into Jessica and Gregg was relagated to a side man for an hour or more. I would wonder who wrote that set list.

Back in the Chuck/Lamar days Dickey generally sang just once or twice. Rambling Man and some shows they did Blue Sky. In 1975 Chuck would sing part of Long Time Gone, Dickey the rest and Dickey would sing a song or two off Win, Lose and Draw so Gregg was beginning to sing less and some fans didn't like it.

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