Thread: NYC 50 - 3/10 MSG

porkchopbob - 12/11/2019 at 05:06 PM

Anyone have any clue what the ABB 50 event that Live Nation has been teasing is all about?



[Edited on 1/3/2020 by porkchopbob]


sully - 12/11/2019 at 06:09 PM

don't know, but i'm in and you can come up and crash with me if needed.


DarylM - 12/11/2019 at 07:50 PM


Why would you think this is an ABB-related event?


porkchopbob - 12/11/2019 at 08:57 PM

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Why would you think this is an ABB-related event?

A. There’s a peach
B. It’s the 50th anniversary of the band
C. NYC is their 2nd home
D. The Big House Museum has been cryptically sharing these promotions on social media.


KPRESTN712 - 12/11/2019 at 11:07 PM

Could this be the theme for the Mule NYE show?

[Edited on 12/12/2019 by KPRESTN712]


harvey - 12/11/2019 at 11:42 PM

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Could this be the theme for the Mule NYE show?


That sounds like a good call … now I am drooling at the thought of an ABB themed Gov't Mule show with sit-ins by Jaimoe, Dickey, Derek, Jack and Chuck …… GET ME A TICKET AN AEROPLANE !!!

[Edited on 12/11/2019 by harvey]


Marley - 12/12/2019 at 03:57 AM

I’m sure it’s ABB-related and Gov’t Mule hasn’t announced its NYE theme, but tickets to the Mule New Years’ show have been on sale for two months. It wouldn’t make much sense for LiveNation to promote their show that way. (Also the Mule hasn’t shared those teasers and they did an ABB New Years’ set in 2016.) My question is, what ABB/New York related thing happened around 50 years ago? Their first NYC show and first Fillmore East show were both in December 1969, so maybe it’s connected to that?


plqmule - 12/12/2019 at 09:20 PM

This is another Live Nation NYC posted on Dec 2nd.



Devon and Duane are doin the Allman Family Revival at the Beacon Dec 28th.
It might be that.


porkchopbob - 12/12/2019 at 10:18 PM

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This is another Live Nation NYC posted on Dec 2nd.

Devon and Duane are doin the Allman Family Revival at the Beacon Dec 28th.
It might be that.

Yeah, but tickets have been on sale for a while. It's not a secret, so why cryptically tease that? Same for Warren's NYE shows - he hasn't announced the theme (and Jaimoe & Marc are both in south Florida during NYE).

Plus...this is Live Nation, and to my understanding, they don't handle promotions for MSG venues, correct?


WarEagleRK - 12/12/2019 at 10:42 PM

I'm guessing if they are just teasing it now, it is not something being done this year.

Live Nation probably has dozens of venues in New York.


Marley - 12/13/2019 at 07:20 PM

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I'm guessing if they are just teasing it now, it is not something being done this year.

Live Nation probably has dozens of venues in New York.

Just the Gramercy and Irving Plaza, but they also sell tickets and promote events.


WarEagleRK - 12/13/2019 at 07:53 PM

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I'm guessing if they are just teasing it now, it is not something being done this year.

Live Nation probably has dozens of venues in New York.

Just the Gramercy and Irving Plaza, but they also sell tickets and promote events.


I was thinking Jones Beach, but that isn't in the city and this does say NYC.


ABBDutchFan - 12/14/2019 at 04:29 PM

Maybe a Hologram ABB show in Central Park?


whrfrt9677 - 12/17/2019 at 01:12 PM

Can't post the image, but it's definitely ABB related. "The Brothers", "March 2020" & "NYC" are all in the latest promo. I just do not have the skills to post the pic at Live Nation.

https://twitter.com/LiveNationNYC/status/1206922063333732353?s=20

Maybe that works?

Mike

[Edited on 12/17/2019 by whrfrt9677]


whrfrt9677 - 12/17/2019 at 01:21 PM

Warren, Derek, Jaimoe & Marc have no announced dates in March 2020.

Just Sayin'...


steved - 12/17/2019 at 03:20 PM

Well that would be nice.


blackey - 12/17/2019 at 03:53 PM

I understand from an anonymous source Warren and Derek would only do a one off ABB tribute show and it would have to have Devon Allman, Duane Betts, Berry Oakley, Jr. Jaimoe and perhaps Chuck Leavell, Marc and Otiel.

Apparently you won't see Warren, Derek, Jaimoe and Marc do an Allman Brothers show or tribute show alone if at all.


Agerst1574 - 12/17/2019 at 03:53 PM

Lots of thoughts on this. Would this be multiple nights at the Beacon or a large arena show(s) at a place like MSG. Derek with Susan and their band are capable of selling out 10 shows at the Beacon and let’s not kid ourselves it is also about the big bucks. If it is at the Beacon, I would not be surprised to see average orchestra seats going for 250 bucks at face value.

Who would be in the band? Well, you have to assume it is Warren, Jaimoe and Derek and Oteil. I would love to see Chuck Leavell on keyboards and a mixture of folks on vocals. The possibilities are endless.

I divide my time between Florida and NYC and was planning to be back in NYC in March for a medical procedure. Heck, I was planning to book my flight today. Now I am holding off until the announcement is made.


Agerst1574 - 12/17/2019 at 03:59 PM

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I understand from an anonymous source Warren and Derek would only do a one off ABB tribute show and it would have to have Devon Allman, Duane Betts, Berry Oakley, Jr. Jaimoe and perhaps Chuck Leavell, Marc and Otiel.

Apparently you won't see Warren, Derek, Jaimoe and Marc do an Allman Brothers show or tribute show alone if at all.


If that is the case, then it has to be between 3/21 and 4/8 as the Allman Betts Band have a full schedule. The other thing is the Allman Betts Band have several local NYC area dates in February so I can not imagine the promoters being happy if they announce a competing date. Another question is when would they rehearse?


blackey - 12/17/2019 at 04:09 PM

Gregg Allman left his 42 guitars to Devon Allman. The ABB mantle has been passed to Devon and perhaps Duane Allman. Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes aren't the inheritors. I doubt Derek and Warren will do any ABB tribute or ABB shows...unless Devon Allman and perhaps Duane Betts are involved. Dickey Betts and Jaimoe are the owners of the band but Devon Allman has Gregg's share. I bet anything official would have to go through Devon Allman and Jaimoe and maybe Dickey and Butch's wife. Gregg, Dickey, Jaimoe and Butch owned the band when it played its last show in 2014.


porkchopbob - 12/17/2019 at 04:21 PM

Jambase is on the case! March 2020 Tribute sounds more likely

https://www.jambase.com/article/allman-brothers-march-2020-new-york-city

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Live Nation Teases The Allman Brothers Band March 2020 Tribute



Dec 17, 20197:22 am PSTScott Bernstein

Live Nation New York City’s social media feeds continue to tease a tribute to The Allman Brothers Band. The latest post from the concert promotion company notes “The Brothers March 2020” and includes images of a peach and a mushroom, two items associated with the legendary ABB.

The Allman Brothers Band concluded a 45-year career at The Beacon Theatre in New York City on October 28, 2014 — their 238th concert at the venue. March was a sacred time for the group, who held annual residencies at The Beacon nearly every year between 1992 and 2014. Since the finale, founding members Gregg Allman and Butch Trucks have died. Drummer Jaimoe and guitarist Dickey Betts are the only surviving members from the original lineup. Guitarists Warren Haynes and Derek Trucks, bassist Oteil Burbridge and percussionist Marc Quinones from the final ABB lineup all remain active and have clear schedules in March. Additionally, guitarist Jack Pearson and keyboardist Chuck Leavell are notable Allman Brothers Band alums who still perform live.

One interesting note is that the latest two graphics shared by Live Nation NYC note the number “50.” The Allman Brothers Band’s 50th anniversary was March 26, 2019. Stay tuned for more on this developing story. Check out the teasers shared by Live Nation below:


JimSheridan - 12/17/2019 at 07:01 PM

To me, the biggest question is whether or not Mr. Dickey Betts will be involved.


WarEagleRK - 12/17/2019 at 07:03 PM

The big question is 2020 is the 50th anniversary of what? Are we just a year behind of the 50th anniversary of the band? If so, that is so ABB.


Marley - 12/17/2019 at 08:23 PM

We literally have zero idea who’s involved on any level, and my instinct is to assume the big names won’t be there - but we’ll find out if that’s happening. Also: the Beacon looks completely booked up in March 2020. There are a few other venues in town, of course.


VTAB - 12/17/2019 at 08:50 PM

One night MSG, all surviving band members from the various incarnations along with Devon & Duane.
Jack & Derek, Jack & Warren, Warren & Derek one last time. It would bring a proper end to an amazing band.
Geez, I think the before and after parties alone might be legendary LOL.


Brosicle - 12/18/2019 at 04:00 PM

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The big question is 2020 is the 50th anniversary of what? Are we just a year behind of the 50th anniversary of the band? If so, that is so ABB.


One year later (March 2021) *is* the 50th anniversary for Fillmore East. So, there's that ...


DOVETAIL - 12/18/2019 at 10:35 PM

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The big question is 2020 is the 50th anniversary of what? Are we just a year behind of the 50th anniversary of the band? If so, that is so ABB.


One year later (March 2021) *is* the 50th anniversary for Fillmore East. So, there's that ...


Perhaps if the current brain trust starts NOW, the team can have something prepared in time for that milestone, right!?!?!....RIGHT!


hotlantatim - 12/20/2019 at 04:28 PM

I figured this was a tribute show possibly with the Allman Betts Band as house band and as many ABB alumni there as would participate - Jaimoe, Oteil, Marc, Warren, Jack seem to say yes to most everything. Chuck does if he has ample notice and clear schedule (think the Gregg 2014 Tribute and 2017 Peachfest). Dickey's health/ability is questionable but he could be part of it. Derek avoids anything other than unscheduled sit-ins with his former mates since the ABB disbanded.

Then someone posted on Alan Paul's FB page that they suspected this was one of the Blackbird Presents shows organized by Don Was & Keith Workman. And after reading that, I'm going with that prediction, too.

You can't argue with the quality of those Blackbird Presents shows....from the Gregg tribute to Mavis Staples to Skynyrd to Dr John.... the Last Waltz mini-tours. They's all been great.

The 2017 Saturday Peachfest set served very much the same purpose. Chuck was musical director. Chuck was on stage for all (almost all?) of the 2 hour set along with Warren, Jaimoe, Marc, Jack & Oteil for parts of it. All 6 were stage together which I never thought I'd see.

Devon, Duane Betts, Duane Trucks, Berry D Oakley, Vaylor, Lamar Jr all played, along with Gregg & Butch bandmates Pat Bergerson, Bruce Katz, Scott Sherrard, Peter Levin, Junior Mac....some others I'm probably forgetting.

The next day, most of them played again sans Chuck in the Les Bres set. It was an amazing 4 hours of music and would be hard to top! But if they do a Blackbird ABB tribute show, I'd go if at all possible!


porkchopbob - 12/20/2019 at 05:07 PM

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Then someone posted on Alan Paul's FB page that they suspected this was one of the Blackbird Presents shows organized by Don Was & Keith Workman. And after reading that, I'm going with that prediction, too.

You can't argue with the quality of those Blackbird Presents shows....from the Gregg tribute to Mavis Staples to Skynyrd to Dr John.... the Last Waltz mini-tours. They's all been great.


That's kind of what I'm predicting. And if that's the case, I'm less curious about what former-ABB members are a part of it than I am what other artists take part and pay tribute.


rationalrebel - 12/30/2019 at 07:57 PM

Jaimoe
Warren
Oteil
Derek
Jack P.
Jimmy Herring
Marc Q.
Chuck
Jimmy Hall
Susan
Ron Holloway
Bill Evans
Wanee Horns/Gregg's horn sections with Jay Collins and gang
Allman Betts Band
Duane Trucks
Lamar Jr.
Scott Sharrard
Bruce Katz
Junior Mack
Randall Bramblett
Audley Freed
Brandford Marsalis
Pat Bergeson


Who did I miss? This is what the event SHOULD be (in my selfish opinion hah), but I have a bad feeling it's going to be some combo of Eric Church, Jamey Johnson, Stapleton, Georgia Florida Border, etc, etc. PLEASE do the right thing Live Nation...


Agerst1574 - 12/30/2019 at 09:33 PM

I was inclined to agree it should be the folks associated with the Allman Brothers but after seeing the Nashville Last Waltz show, I am inclined to go with the folks that Blackbird put together. Guys like Darius Rucker, Vince Gill, Jamey Johnson were performers I would have never paid to have seen live and they were all terrific.

As I was writing this, I just had a flashback back to Bobfest at the Garden which was one of the best shows I ever saw live and the lineup was eclectic.

I just hope I can go to the show as I may not be in the city. But depending on the lineup, this may be one I will have to see no matter what.


rationalrebel - 12/31/2019 at 05:52 PM

Those last couple Last Waltz shows in Nashville weren't bad (besides the sound at Bridgestone), but I'm not buying a plane ticket to NYC to see Duck Dynasty (Jamey and Stapleton as they say in Nashville) do sing-a-longs to The Band or Allman songs, but I will go to see Derek, Jack, and Oteil do something I've never seen before Also, check out Vince with the Time Jumpers at 3rd and Lindsley in Nashville on Mondays, good stuff. Or you can find him throwing golf clubs at the local course....


TheGuru - 12/31/2019 at 05:58 PM

You missed Zakk Wylde.


rationalrebel - 12/31/2019 at 08:32 PM

Hahah Guru, I thought about that but didn't want anyone to take it serious....so crazy how that all happened. Glad I wasn't there haha


porkchopbob - 1/3/2020 at 02:23 PM

3/10 at MSG

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/allman-brothers-band-reunion- 933228/

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The Allman Brothers Band to Celebrate 50th Anniversary With Tribute Show
Surviving members of the last Allmans lineup will reunite for an evening of all-Allmans music and jams.
By David Browne

NEW YORK, NY - OCTOBER 28: The Allman Brothers Band performs at The Beacon Theatre on October 28, 2014 in New York City. (Photo by Jemal Countess/Getty Images)

In 2014 — when the Allman Brothers Band decided the time had come to stop touring — the band briefly discussed a show at New York’s Madison Square Garden. In the end, the group opted for a series of farewell performances at another Manhattan venue, the Beacon Theatre, where they had long done residences.

But on March 10, about six years after the band’s goodbye, that dream of a Garden event will become a reality. To pay tribute to the band’s 50th anniversary year, the surviving members of the last Allmans lineup — drummer Jaimoe Johanson, guitarists Warren Haynes and Derek Trucks, bassist Oteil Burbridge and percussionist Marc Quinones — will reunite for an evening of all-Allmans music and jams.

The lineup will be filled out with drummer Duane Trucks (brother of Derek and nephew of late Allmans founding drummer Butch); and organist Reese Wynans, who played in the pre-Allmans band Second Coming with Dickey Betts and late Allmans bassist Berry Oakley. To further extend the Allmans family vibe, pianist Chuck Leavell — a crucial band member in the Seventies — will also join them for a few numbers.

Technically, the band turned 50 in the spring of 1969, meaning this anniversary show falls roughly within its first year of existence. “It’s a way of honoring 50 years of the band and honoring Duane, Gregg, Berry and Butch and the music they created,” Haynes tells Rolling Stone. “That music deserves a 50th anniversary celebration. Most rock bands never thought they’d even see their 50th anniversary. And, of course, this one didn’t. So in a way, this brings some sort of closure.”

The Allmans camp extended an invitation to Betts, but according to his manager David Spero, Betts (who has had a tempestuous relationship with his former bandmates over the last two decades) “had prior commitments that prevented him from attending.”

Ever since those final 2014 shows, the musicians have moved on to their full-time projects: Haynes with Gov’t Mule (which celebrates its own 25th anniversary this year), Derek Trucks with the Tedeschi-Trucks Band, and Burbridge as the relative newcomer (and new Deadhead fan favorite) in Dead & Co. The Garden show will mark the first time all these musicians have played together since that last Beacon gig — one of several challenges as they prepare for a performance without any Allman brother.

“I think we’re just opened to what it might be,” Haynes says. “Once we started talking about it and once everyone expressed interest in being part of it, and we added Duane, Reese and Chuck, it all started making sense.”

Haynes says they’re still deciding who will handle Allman’s vocals, and they’ve also just begun grappling with paring down the Allmans’ formidable legacy into one evening of music. “There are so many songs that seem necessary for a one-time show, and it’s going to be impossible to play all of them,” he admits. “We’re still in that process. When we would play four nights in one city we could change the set every night to fit in everything.

Haynes last saw Gregg when he and Derek Trucks visited Allman at his Georgia home a few weeks before he succumbed to liver cancer in 2017. By then, Gregg still had a keyboard setup in his house but could barely talk, much less sing. “We did a lot of just sharing stories and keeping it light and talking about good times,” Haynes says with a sigh. “To have a keyboard set up and not be able to sing — for Gregg, that was hell.

“But it was amazing how positive his spirits were,” he adds. “Gregg loved to laugh, and we were telling a lot of fun stories and reminding ourselves of a lot of funny stuff that happened throughout the years. It did us all good to turn that bittersweet moment into thinking about all the wonderful times. It was just, ‘I love you.’”

Asked if he’s come to terms with Butch Trucks’ suicide that same year, Haynes says, “I don’t think so, completely. It’s impossible to wrap my head around it. I had called Butch about joining Gov’t Mule at the Beacon and he had a gig and couldn’t make it, but he was really upbeat and said he couldn’t wait to play together some more. We were talking about something in the future and he was glad we’d reached out to him, which is all the more reason his death came as such a shock.”

At the moment, Haynes says there’s no talk of taking the Allmans salute on the road. Allmans fans will have to make do with the occasional cover during shows by Gov’t Mule, the Tedeschi-Trucks Band or the Allman Betts Band, fronted by Betts’ son Duane and Gregg’s son Devon. At a recent Gov’t Mule show, for instance, Duane Betts joined the band for “Whipping Post” and the crowd exploded.

But Haynes isn’t sure what lies ahead for continuing the legacy of the Allmans with any sort of permanent combo. “People love the fact that we’re pulling those songs out and rightly so,” he says. “The music has reached a point of timelessness and somebody will keep playing it, and it will be kept alive. But I don’t have any predictions about how that will happen.”

For now, Haynes and his bandmates are simply grappling with the thought of reawakening Allmans classics onstage without turning around to see Gregg Allman or Butch Trucks alongside them. “It’s going to be extremely emotional, and hopefully in a similar way to the last Beacon show,” Haynes says. “Hopefully we can conjure up some wonderful music to match the significance of the moment.”


porkchopbob - 1/3/2020 at 02:37 PM


steved - 1/3/2020 at 02:59 PM

Wow!!!


IPowrie - 1/3/2020 at 03:50 PM

Nice. Hope they do a stream of this


steadyhorse - 1/3/2020 at 04:06 PM

I’ll be there with my brother, can’t blanking wait!


islalala - 1/3/2020 at 04:31 PM

Wow --- someone(s) were clearly very thoughtful about how to structure the lineup.

Only one I don't understand is Reese Wynans --- what's his connection to the ABB?


TheGuru - 1/3/2020 at 04:38 PM

Gregg replaced Reese. Pull out your Dreams box set.

Wynans was a member of the Second Coming, which, from November 1968 to March 1969 also included two future and founding members of The Allman Brothers Band: guitarist Dickey Betts and bassist Berry Oakley. Wynans was involved in the initial jam session with Duane Allman, Betts, Oakley, Butch Trucks and Jaimoe that led to the formation of the Allman Brothers Band, but was eased aside in favor of vocalist Gregg Allman, as founder Duane Allman did not want two keyboardists, two guitarists and two drummers all in the same band.

[Edited on 1/3/2020 by TheGuru]


BostonBrothersFan - 1/3/2020 at 04:39 PM

Does anyone have presale info?


tbomike - 1/3/2020 at 04:48 PM

Can't wait. I'll be there.

http://www.warrenhaynes.net/news/detail/the_brothers_celebrating_50_years_o f_the_music_of_the_allman_brothers_band


WarEagleRK - 1/3/2020 at 04:52 PM

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Wow --- someone(s) were clearly very thoughtful about how to structure the lineup.

Only one I don't understand is Reese Wynans --- what's his connection to the ABB?


Reese was the keyboard/organ player in the band Duane was putting together that became the ABB before he called Gregg to come home from California to be the singer.


Stephen - 1/3/2020 at 05:19 PM

Reese’s “Sweet Release” CD from last year is real nice - his take of Riviera Paradise, from SRV’s 1989 In Step album, I dig just as much if not more as SRV’s - great organist, & the March 10 show at MSG looks only epic


tumbleweed - 1/3/2020 at 05:46 PM

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dadof2 - 1/3/2020 at 06:00 PM

This is really exciting


meandean - 1/3/2020 at 06:19 PM

I’m sure Dickey’s health issues are preventing him from being involved, but I find it hard to believe that Devon, Duane and Berry aren’t a big part of this.


fireman12engine - 1/3/2020 at 06:19 PM

This is going to be fun!!!!!


Skydog32103 - 1/3/2020 at 06:21 PM

I'll be there.


Skydog32103 - 1/3/2020 at 06:28 PM

UPDATE: Co-founding member Dickey Betts was asked to participate but passed as per Rolling Stone. Dickey “had prior commitments that prevented him from attending,” according to the guitarist’s manager, David Spero.


jak - 1/3/2020 at 07:08 PM

I will be there for March fun


absnj - 1/3/2020 at 07:13 PM

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I will be there for March fun


Hill SCountry BBQ is not a bad walk from the Garden


plqmule - 1/3/2020 at 07:23 PM

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I find it hard to believe that Devon, Duane and Berry aren’t a big part of this.


It's a possibility but they'd have to fly in from Cal.

There's a gap in their schedule.
3/8/20 Los Angeles, CA Palace Theatre
3/11/20 San Luis Obispo, CA Fremont Theater


sully - 1/3/2020 at 07:26 PM

i'm already loving 2020. the first time in a long time that i'm excited about the Brothers in March in NYC.


Agerst1574 - 1/3/2020 at 07:47 PM

Very happy as this coincides with my return to NYC for a couple of days in March and will not have to make a special trip back to NYC. Will try to get tickets through the presales.


yankweed1 - 1/3/2020 at 08:03 PM

A Peach Corp. PRE SALE is clearly in order... Hope that comes to be..... pretty exciting time considering being back in NYC in March..........Wont quite be the 'coziness" of the Beacon , but ya gotta take what they give ya!!!!!! just looks like an EXPENSIVE show from so fla..... flights.. time off from work,, hotels,, travel expenses..shows... plus the COST of the tix.. but you know me I dont complain,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,PRE SALE IS OWED TO US THE TRUE FANS,,,,,,,,,,,


DOVETAIL - 1/3/2020 at 08:22 PM

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The Brothers - Celebrating 50 Years of the music of The Allman Brothers Band will perform at Madison Square Garden in New York City for one night only March 10, 2020. The Brothers-Jaimoe, Warren Haynes, Derek Trucks, Oteil Burbridge, Marc Quinones-will be joined by Duane Trucks and Reese Wynans and special guest Chuck Leavell.

Ticket presales begin on January 7, with public on sale on January 10 via Ticketmaster (click here).

This one-time concert event, produced by Live Nation, will be a celebration of The Allman Brothers Band's illustrious career. It notably marks the first time in more than five years that these legendary players will be together on stage to perform their iconic hits, and the first time since the passing of founding members Gregg Allman and Butch Trucks. It will undoubtably be emotionally charged, and an unforgettable night not to be missed.

"I can't wait to play again with my Brothers."
--Jaimoe

"From the Fillmore East to the Beacon, NYC has always been a spiritual home for the Allman Brothers. So it only feels natural to honor uncle Butch, Gregg, Berry, Duane and all the other brothers and sisters we have lost along the way here at MSG. I'm excited to get to play these songs with Jaimoe and the Brothers one last time to celebrate 50 years of this music."
--Derek Trucks

"Hard to believe it's been five years since our final show at the Beacon. We had all talked about doing a final show at Madison Square Garden which never came to fruition. What a great way to honor 50 years of music and fulfill that wish at the same time."
--Warren Haynes

"I was fortunate enough to be a part of the Allman Brothers Band's history for 23 of the 50 years we are about to celebrate. Thank you Butch, Gregg, Jaimoe, Dickey as well as Duane and Berry for giving us the opportunity to play this amazing music for all of our diehard, loyal fans."
--Marc Quinones

"I'm so glad to get the chance to pay tribute to 50 years of the enduring music of the Allman Brothers Band. I'm blessed to have been a part of their story. It's gonna be a night to remember."
--Oteil Burbridge

The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame group formed in 1969 and quickly became one of the most popular live bands in American rock music history, selling millions of records along the way. Hailed for their live improvisation and marathon performances, the group released the At Fillmore East album in 1971, and it's still hailed as one of the best live albums ever.

The 2003 iteration of The Allman Brothers Band-founding members Gregg Allman, Jaimoe and Butch Trucks plus Warren Haynes, Marc Quinones, Oteil Burbridge and Derek Trucks-would prove to be the longest-running line-up and most consistent in its live performances. The group played its last live performance October 28, 2014, at New York's Beacon Theatre. Of that night-which was the last of over 230 sold-out shows covering 25 years of spring residencies at the Beacon-Rolling Stone's David Fricke said "it will take more than a peach to get me through next March. It was never spring, I always said, until I saw the Allmans peakin' at the Beacon. Tonight was a generous, continually thrilling farewell. It will make the leaving that much harder to bear."

Joining The Brothers for the 3/10/20 event will be keyboardist Reese Wynans (who played in the Second Coming with future ABB founding members Dickey Betts and Berry Oakley, and was a part of the early 1969 jam sessions which led to the formation of ABB) and Duane Trucks, Derek's brother (and current drummer for Widespread Panic). Chuck Leavell joined ABB in 1972 (following Duane Allman's passing) and played with the group until a hiatus in 1976; he's been with the Rolling Stones since 1981.

Portions of the proceeds will benefit The Big House in Macon, GA which was the band's home from 1970-1973 and now serves as their official museum.


Buzzy82 - 1/3/2020 at 09:33 PM

This brought a tear to my eye! Is it March 10 yet ?


fireman12engine - 1/3/2020 at 09:57 PM

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blackey - 1/3/2020 at 10:11 PM

Dickey attended a Allman Betts Band show recently but did not play. Dickey said he had a mild stroke, then his dog knocked him down and he split his head open and he has gained a lot of weight. Dickey said he would need time to get his playing back together before he would think about doing any shows but he hoped he could play again. Dickey also said he was just about to get his playing back to just par while he went out recently but then had these set backs.

If Dickey attended this, he wouldn't be able to play. And I wouldn't want to see him out there struggling and hitting a lot of clams.

Dickey's legacy is secure. There will not be ONE MUSICIAN on that stage, be it Warren, Derek, Otiel, Chuck and to a degree even Jaimoe that is as huge to the legacy and status of the ABB being so revered as Dickey Betts. And Gregg and Duane Allman.

If they couldn't play songs by Gregg and Dickey and channel Duane's slide playing, they couldn't even have a show. Warren, Derek, Otiel and even Chuck didnt invent the Allman Brothers. Dickey did and Jaimoe's input and drumming style was a big part.

Warren wrote one song that has become an Allman Brothers standard. Soulshine. Gregg and Dickey are responsible for most of the ABB song book.

The last lineup did a good job keeping the ABB alive and was the longest lasting but not close to the most successful lineup. Chuck was in the most successful and the originial lineup wrote the book for the band and put the band on the map. Just after Duane died Eat A Peach sold over a million copies. The originial lineup put this band on the musical map.

Any later lineup and this show coming up is standing on the solid foundation laid by Duane Allman, Gregg Allman, Dickey Betts, Berry Oakley, Butch Trucks and Jai Johnny Johnson. Those six ARE the Allman Brothers Band.

I want to go to MSG for this but to celebrate the band and the original lineup. I don't want to see Dickey play at his age and what he has been through with his health and head injury. They should play Gregg and Dickey's songs and the covers the original lineup did. Not these covers added by the last lineup. No " The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down."


jszfunk - 1/3/2020 at 10:16 PM

So will Warren be handling all the vocal duties?..….unless I missed something.

It will be interesting to see how they round out the setlist. Dig the logo. Maybe Dickey will show...it would be only fitting.


WarEagleRK - 1/4/2020 at 02:07 AM

quote:
So will Warren be handling all the vocal duties?..….unless I missed something.

It will be interesting to see how they round out the setlist. Dig the logo. Maybe Dickey will show...it would be only fitting.



He said he wasn't sure how they were going to handle Gregg's vocals yet.


WarEagleRK - 1/4/2020 at 02:09 AM

quote:


"From the Fillmore East to the Beacon, NYC has always been a spiritual home for the Allman Brothers. So it only feels natural to honor uncle Butch, Gregg, Berry, Duane and all the other brothers and sisters we have lost along the way here at MSG. I'm excited to get to play these songs with Jaimoe and the Brothers one last time to celebrate 50 years of this music."
--Derek Trucks




Derek's comments are quite telling...


cmgst34 - 1/4/2020 at 02:18 AM

Perfect! I’m there.

Sorry if I’m asking some obvious questions, but how do you get into the presale? I assume a Peach email will be coming out on that? Any info on what the VIP packages are?

[Edited on 1/4/2020 by cmgst34]


jszfunk - 1/4/2020 at 02:40 AM

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quote:
So will Warren be handling all the vocal duties?..….unless I missed something.

It will be interesting to see how they round out the setlist. Dig the logo. Maybe Dickey will show...it would be only fitting.



He said he wasn't sure how they were going to handle Gregg's vocals yet.



Thanks!


hotlantatim - 1/4/2020 at 02:55 AM

The Peachcorp pre-sales were the result of the heavy lifting of Lana, Rowland (god bless them for their hard work as fellow fans) and 1-2 ABB employees, and definitely wouldn't have happened without Lana's work for each Beacon run. I'm not going to have an expectation that someone else owes me their hard work for this show, so I don't expect a Peachcorp pre-sale.


hotlantatim - 1/4/2020 at 03:06 AM

2017 Peachfest Gregg-Butch tribute show that had Chuck,, Jaimoe, Jack, Oteil, Warren & Marc, Warren handled vocals on a few songs (came on stage later in the set).

Lamar Williams Jr and Junior Mac sang most of the rest (and Chuck sang part of a few couple songs). Lamar & Junior would both be welcomed guests this time and both due Gregg and Dickey's vocals serious justice (as does Warren).

Or is this the show where Derek finally reveals that he's a bad-ass vocalist??


porkchopbob - 1/4/2020 at 01:25 PM

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did you design this porkchopbob? looks like you style

I wish! It's pretty slick.


stormyrider - 1/4/2020 at 01:59 PM

From TTB:

The Brothers are back in NYC for one night only. On March 10, join us for a celebration of 50 years of Allman Brothers Band music featuring Jaimoe, Derek, Warren, Marc and Oteil joined by Duane Trucks, Reese Wynans and Chuck Leavell. People can you feel it?!

Pre-sale tickets are available starting January 7 with the public on-sale on January 10 via Ticketmaster.

“From the Fillmore East to the Beacon, NYC has always been a spiritual home for the Allman Brothers. So it only feels natural to honor uncle Butch, Gregg, Berry, Duane and all the other brothers and sisters we have lost along the way here at MSG. I’m excited to get to play these songs with Jaimoe and the Brothers one last time to celebrate 50 years of this music.” -- Derek Trucks


steved - 1/4/2020 at 06:10 PM

They should bring in Jackie P too.


absnj - 1/4/2020 at 06:22 PM

One of the articles clearly states no guests, although there are a few folks it would be nice to see onstage with the core players.

I am sure Derek and Warren will enjoy honoring Gregg, Butch, Berry and Duane, but you can bet LiveNation is honoring all the participants with a nice paycheck, so expect seats to be expensive.

The last few HTW pre-sales had fewer and fewer good seats. Given the extra cash generated by the VIP sales, and the fact that other pre-sales have already been listed, I don't hold out much hope for a reprise of the great job that Lana and Rowland did for us in the past.

This is purely a LiveNation gig, with all the trimmings you would expect from them, including lots of sales to scalpers, limited ticket availability and high prices/high fees.


JamesMaffucci - 1/4/2020 at 07:16 PM

I can not find ticket prices anywhere. But Stub Hub already has seats listed. $241.00 for seats in the upper sections and it goes up from there. The lack of info on the ticket prices is concerning. That having been said . I recently saw the Allman Betts band open for Charlie Daniels. The joy I feel when I hear the Brothers music played live is going to be hard to resist.


cat17534 - 1/4/2020 at 08:43 PM

Vivid Seats has floor seats going for over $1000 each. I also cannot find info regarding the actual ticket prices. Pre-sale???


Fretsman - 1/4/2020 at 09:16 PM

Dickey Betts was an integral part of the ABB. He was a founding member and beyond (Second Coming). If it was a scheduling issue that prevents him from being there then it was flawed from the start as the 50th Anniversary should have had him as the centerpiece and scheduled around him. If it was a diminishing skills issue or health issue that prevents him from playing or singing then he should be there onstage in a lesser role, but he deserves to be there, he earned the right to be there, his absence would be a stain on the event.

I saw the 10th Anniversary of the Skynyrd plane crash in the Meadowlands Arena and it reunited the surviving members. It was special. Allen Collins a lesser but essential contributor to the Skynyrd sound was recovering from the car crash and they rolled him out in a wheel chair to a standing ovation to show him the much deserved love to him. It was a somber, but sweet moment.

If Mr. Betts is able to safely travel to NYC by whatever means suits him and his possible restrictions then Mr. Betts has earned the right to be there. To have others travel the fretboard paths, sing from his lyrical output, and display the overall genius that the man has laid down.

Derek and Warren and others should play their own tunes under their own marquees. I was never a fan of Warren sing Blue Sky or Ramblin' Man. I have mixed feelings about this event which I surely plan to attend. If it's to be done right Dickey Betts should be there. Period.

To have that Gent come out on stage and be a part of this legitimizes it. To have him ignored would be a travesty and a money grabbing sham. Mr. Betts doesn't need the money, he needs and deserves the love and appreciation of all this night intends.


Zambi - 1/4/2020 at 09:53 PM

Nobody is ignoring Dickey. He was invited and declined, for whatever reason(s) and his manager was being diplomatic about it by citing scheduling conflicts.

From the press release:

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The 2003 iteration of The Allman Brothers Band-founding members Gregg Allman, Jaimoe and Butch Trucks plus Warren Haynes, Marc Quinones, Oteil Burbridge and Derek Trucks-would prove to be the longest-running line-up and most consistent in its live performances.


Thought that was a little bit unnecessary. I could see how other former members of the band might take umbrage to that. Certainly not an olive branch.


Stephen - 1/4/2020 at 10:04 PM

They did reach out to him, he cited a schedule conflict
Does seem kind of ironic, having to be invited as a guest to celebrate something you helped create
Hopefully Dickey Betts will be accorded similar love himself w/such a show someday - he’s sure deserving
March 10 sure looks like all the **** alright - fantastic
I love the ABB


JimSheridan - 1/4/2020 at 10:27 PM

I'd be thrilled to see Dickey come out and just sing "Blue Sky," even if the others carry the guitar duty. He should receive some honor. Obviously the crowd would explode.

It would be a lovely touch to have Duane Betts and Devon Allman make an appearance to represent their dads.

I will certainly try to snag a ticket for the event. I'm not sure how much money I'd be willing to spend, though. I love the ABB, love Derek and Warren, would love to see Chuck. I'm just not made of money, and I saw the ABB a a number of times, and I might prefer saving my $ for a good seat in a smaller venue to see TTB or Mule. I am certainly going to try to get in on pre-sale to see what is what, though.


DarylM - 1/4/2020 at 10:41 PM

The bad news: having this as a one-nighter at MSG is nonsensical, imo. Are they going to
perform a medley of Dickey's instrumentals? I don't think they come close to selling
out the arena.
The good news: if this is a success, we will get a The Brothers shed tour at some point,
guaranteed.


Fretsman - 1/4/2020 at 11:01 PM

I love Dickey Betts and all he has brought to the world of music. The "longest" line-up was playing 99% of the first ~10 years of the ABB. The Dickey Years! The pure ABB was with Duane. a notch down was with Dickey led ABB of the early mid '70's. Whether it's the sweet riffs of Just Ain't Easy or Sail Away or Ramblin Man or Blue Sky when this night comes Dickey should be there and all attempts should be made to get him there. The greatest musicians in the world can play his licks and songs, but if he's alive and he is, He should be there. When this setlist has become history the Dickey contributed songs will rule the day. I love them all, but Dickey made this band what it was, not what it became post Dickey.

I don't know what his schedule or status is, but Mr. Betts should be there.

[Edited on 1/5/2020 by Fretsman]


mikesolo - 1/4/2020 at 11:50 PM

Even if Dickey just sings on a few tunes, that would be good with me. You’re my blue sky, you’re my sunny day!


Agerst1574 - 1/5/2020 at 12:42 AM

Let Dickey enjoy his retirement. He has nothing to prove to anyone. I almost regret seeing Dickey at the Beacon as it was a subpar performance but I have so many great memories and can relive them through all of the music he created and performed on.

Regarding the tickets available on the secondary market, I would pay little mind to it. Folks are attempting to create a market that does not exist yet. Having said that, I don’t know what to think about the demand for tickets. If I had to guess, I think they will sell out but the secondary market will do poorly as the date approaches. The only question I have is whether the popularity of Derek Trucks will move tickets along with the “final” performance of the band. Trucks can come close to selling out the Garden by himself with his band. But we are talking about a large arena with what will probably be inflated prices.


blackey - 1/5/2020 at 01:07 AM

Hopefully they will find a way for Dickey to be there and come out and wave at the crowd. I doubt Dickey can play right now. Lifestyle, stroke, head injury, age and not playing much since 2014, 6 years ago, probably means Dickey would not be ready to play Jessica or Blue Sky with Warren and Derek who are at full stride with their playing right now.

But if the people putting on this show and the people playing in this show are just focused on the last lineup even if they tout it as the longest together and the most consistent, if they are presenting this show with the focus on the last lineup being THE Allman Brothers Band then that is BS!!!

I'm beginning to wonder if they view Dickey as not that important. That is BS if true. If it were not for Dickey Betts there wouldn't be any reason to have a show. Warren, Derek, Otiel, Chuck etc don't come close to being as important to the legacy and success of the ABB. Dickey is a GIANT. The last lineup guys are not. Ramblin'Man , Jessica, Liz Reed, Revival, Blue Sky, Les Brer in A minor, Southbound, Pony Boy, Crazy Love, Back Where It All Begins, Change My Way of Living, High Falls and on and on. And Dickey's guitar is not channeling Duane Allman.

Apparently Derek is Duane, Warren is Dickey, Otiel is Oakley, Duane Trucks is Butch, Jaimoe is Jaimoe, Reese is Gregg ( it would have been Reese's gig if Gregg had not left LA and been the last one to join) and Chuck is there to salute the band's most successful lineup commercially. The last lineup doesn't come close to the commercial success as the Chuck/Lamar lineup and that lineup was set up by the original band. Just months after Duane died and before Chuck and Lamar joined EAT A PEACH SOLD OVER ONE MILLION COPIES and went to number 4 out of 200 albums. The original lineup did that. The Chuck/Lamar lineup was handed the goose that laid the golden egg.

But Dickey is still alive and there will not be ONE MUSICIAN including Jaimoe that is as important to the sound and success of the ABB as Dickey Betts. If these people think the last lineup is THE Allman Brothers then they are full of it. If that is how this is going down then I'm not going and F a shed tour.


Fretsman - 1/5/2020 at 01:55 AM

There is but one Dickey Betts, Warren and Derek more resemble Duane sound wise. That DB sweetness of tone is hard to replicate, Duane Betts has his own sweet spot in that sound. Less mechanical than the others. Warren or Derek can compliment Dickey Betts, but neither replaces him.


WaitinForRain - 1/5/2020 at 02:06 AM

Dickey has been invited multiple times to these events and does not show.
His chops are essentially gone, and his voice too. GAs final album was a masterpiece,
and GAs final live album was solid. D

Betts' didn't and hasn't come close with his later output.
Let him go in peace.


This event needs Jack Pearson!!! Bring the MAN!!







Agerst1574 - 1/5/2020 at 02:09 AM

I have no doubt that Live Nation would love nothing more than to be able to advertise Dickey Betts for this show as it would certainly help ticket sales. I also suspect that there are folks here clamoring for Dickey who did not see him on his last tour and that was before the several maladies that he has gone through.

My take is we need to appreciate what he did and respect whatever decision he makes. I appreciate the lineup that has been assembled for this show.


fender31 - 1/5/2020 at 02:12 AM

Mr. Betts and Jack Pearson should be there in my opinion. Bring in Devon, Duane and Berry Jr.


Stephen - 1/5/2020 at 02:19 AM

Lest the thread get derailed any further, why not focus on the positivity of March 10 &, to echo the previous post, let Dickey enjoy his retirement - it’s all about the love for the ABB, that includes Dickey whether he’s there or not - guessing they’ll touch on each era, not just post-2003
Prolly not the early-80s era tho


Stephen - 1/5/2020 at 02:49 AM

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Mr. Betts and Jack Pearson should be there in my opinion. Bring in Devon, Duane and Berry Jr.


Echoing an earlier post, the Allman-Betts Band will be on the west coast at this time - LA March 8, San Luis Obispo March 11 - unfortunate timing!


blackey - 1/5/2020 at 03:16 AM

If checking to see if Dickey would want to join us on stage as an afterthought is outrageous. It didnt occur to me until tonight that Dickey was asked if he could drop by and be with us when us is Dickey's us much more so than the band members is very disappointing. They should have built this show around Dickey and Jaimoe and let Dickey be a full partner even if all he felt capable of doing is wave to the crowd like Allan Collins did at a celebration of Skynyrd. It does seem the focus is getting as much of the last lineup together and they don't count Dickey as part of what now is considered the BAND.

I'm glad they are calling it The Brothers because it is NOT the ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND. The last lineup was almost not the Allman Brothers and Gregg even said when he looked at the front line and didnt see an original Allman Brother it was strange. He had to remember Warren, Derek and Otiel were in the band with Dickey and Dickey was with his brother and Oakley then he could connect the dots. But with Gregg and Butch also gone this is clearly a tribute band and wisely they don't call it the Allman Brothers. Back in 1971 it seemed wrong to call it the Allman Brothers after Duane died until one of the roadies said they honor Duane by keeping the name and his chair is not being replaced. That even if they decide to go back to 6 members the new man wouldn't replace Duane and likely wouldn't even be a guitar player.

If some of you want to see this group play Egypt, Bag End, Dusk to Dawn and The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down and call that the Allman Brothers then what you call the Allman Brothers is not what I call the Allman Brothers. But even this lineup isn't calling it the Allman Brothers. And Derek said "one last time" so apparently he isn't right now willing to take their version of The Dead, not Grateful Dead, on the road. I bet the song selection will be 90 % original lineup. If I go I hope they focus on the classic songs and of course have Chuck out there for the Brothers and Sisters stuff.


JimSheridan - 1/5/2020 at 04:33 AM

This thread did indeed run off the tracks.

Let's not assume things. Dickey may indeed have no desire to take on such a task. He has been in bad health and would surely not want to embarass himself.

If the guys who carried the band for its final decade-plus incarnation and are doing just fine on their own want to get together to do a one-off to celebrate the ABB, more power to them. Plus Chuck Leavell? Amen!!!! Anyone who gets to attend will be privy to a great show.


joyful_noise - 1/5/2020 at 11:34 AM

The scalpers will be out in full force for this one, and of course, you have to deal with Live Nation and their dynamic pricing too. I would say I might stay on the sidelines until the day of the show. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I am sure it will Sell Out, but how many tickets will the scalpers be left holding the day of the show?

Let the chess games begin.


fender31 - 1/5/2020 at 12:32 PM

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Mr. Betts and Jack Pearson should be there in my opinion. Bring in Devon, Duane and Berry Jr.


Echoing an earlier post, the Allman-Betts Band will be on the west coast at this time - LA March 8, San Luis Obispo March 11 - unfortunate timing!


Gotcha, didn't realize that. It would be so cool if they did an acoustic set with Warren singing My Only True Friend.


DanB - 1/5/2020 at 12:42 PM

I've been told told that Derek is singing lead on Liz Reed


Agerst1574 - 1/5/2020 at 12:47 PM

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The scalpers will be out in full force for this one, and of course, you have to deal with Live Nation and their dynamic pricing too. I would say I might stay on the sidelines until the day of the show. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I am sure it will Sell Out, but how many tickets will the scalpers be left holding the day of the show?

Let the chess games begin.


As I wrote earlier, I don’t have a good sense of how the secondary market is going to be. If this would have been a Bobfest type of lineup, then I think prices would have been off the rail. The real question is how many of the hardcore will come ourt for a an arena show. The demographic is older who probably have more dispensable income to spend. Then again the demographic skews over 60 and they have to watch their money more.

Since the prices have not been announced I am guessing front orchs are running 250 bucks and up, back orchs 150-175 bucks, and lower level 175-125 bucks. How high would I pay? 150 bucks which includes TM surcharge. But I am really curious how much tickets are. I think they could be in danger of pricing this too high.


tumbleweed - 1/5/2020 at 03:26 PM

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The scalpers will be out in full force for this one, and of course, you have to deal with Live Nation and their dynamic pricing too. I would say I might stay on the sidelines until the day of the show. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I am sure it will Sell Out, but how many tickets will the scalpers be left holding the day of the show?

Let the chess games begin.


This will be my likely approach as well. I'm pretty sure between VIP Packages, "Platinum" Tickets and general over the top pricing at MSG, we are going to find that the prices are ridiculous. It's very common for all lower bowl seating in MSG to start at $250+ before fees. That will certainly keep me on the sidelines.


The_Newt - 1/5/2020 at 03:42 PM

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They should bring in Jackie P too.


Agreed. I hope Jack Pearson is there and plays.


porkchopbob - 1/5/2020 at 04:05 PM

Enjoy this show for what it is and not what you think it should be. It will never be 2009 again. Or 1994. Or 1971. This isn't billed as "The Allman Brothers Band"; it's a show to honor their music, performed by the closest thing you're going to get to the Allman Brothers. If you think Dickey really had other plans that day, you're probably fooling yourself. If it's not what you want it to be, just don't go.


Bill_Graham - 1/5/2020 at 04:31 PM

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Enjoy this show for what it is and not what you think it should be. It will never be 2009 again. Or 1994. Or 1971. This isn't billed as "The Allman Brothers Band"; it's a show to honor their music, performed by the closest thing you're going to get to the Allman Brothers. If you think Dickey really had other plans that day, you're probably fooling yourself. If it's not what you want it to be, just don't go.


Well said PC..........They invited Dickey and he declined to attend. Move on, nothing more to see here.

[Edited on 1/5/2020 by Bill_Graham]


Buzzy82 - 1/5/2020 at 04:38 PM

Nothing like a concert to get the Dickey Debate fired back up; just like the old days on this site ). I would have to believe that every band member on that stage knows the contribution he brought to the band. Enjoy the last ride of this incredible band and just let Dickey enjoy his retirement. God knows he has earned it and has nothing left to prove.


Delawhere - 1/5/2020 at 04:43 PM

What I really want to know is if they'll stream this concert or do a DVD of it (assuming anybody does DVDs anymore). Most of us won't be able to make it to NYC for this show live, so I hope this usually-dysfunctional group gets its bleep together and makes the show available to everybody. Thanks for listening...


porkchopbob - 1/5/2020 at 04:52 PM

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Most of us won't be able to make it to NYC for this show live, so I hope this usually-dysfunctional group gets its bleep together and makes the show available to everybody.

I bet this will be recorded and hit the market. Warren and Derek know music business, not to mention, Live Nation.


blackey - 1/5/2020 at 07:09 PM

Last night I was going. But now I'm not. It's probably a 3 thousand dollar trip. High ticket price, lodging, plane or train.

LiveNation focused on getting what is left of the last lineup to do a show from what I understand this morning. There was never any thought to involving Dickey or any other past living members. And Dickey said on his last tour he was struggling to just get his playing back to PAR. A golf term that means just average. Dickey didnt play at the Allman Betts Band show he attended recently. I doubt Dickey could and would play even if they had built the show around him and Jaimoe instead of the last lineup. He is 76 and has health issues and out of shape as a player. It happens to every musician sooner or later. Last time I caught BB King he had to sit and he hit a lot of clams. Old age had caught up with him.

Reese is a known keyboard player who was a key player for Stevie Ray Vaughn and was the original keyboard player in Duane's new band but Dickey has said several times he and Oakley had seen and heard Gregg and Dickey, Oakley and Duane were sharing lead vocal duties and Oakley was singing a good number of the songs they were working on including Trouble No More and Dickey claims it was he and Oakley that critiqued the band and convinced Duane that they needed a different drummer to be the time keeper and Jaimoe could stay but play all the little neat things and colorings around what Butch Trucks would bring to the band then after Duane agreed to add Butchie they convinced Duane to call his brother and try to talk him into taking over keyboards because Gregg could carry the band vocally and the others should just sing a song or two. But Jaimoe thinks Duane had a second drummer and eventually bringing in his brother early on when he realised the trio Phil Walden wanted wouldn't work. So whoever thought of Reese to take Gregg's chair made a good choice because if Gregg was happy recording that solo album he was doing out in LA to get the Hourglass off the hook with Liberty Records then Reese apparently would have been the keyboard player.

Duane Trucks was asked because Butch was his uncle.

Somebody, probably Warren, thought it would be cool to have Chuck play his most famous solo on one of the ABB'S most famous songs, Jessica.

Warren, Derek and Otiel and maybe Jaimoe decided to tell Dickey he is welcome to sit in on a few numbers like Chuck. Warren, Derek and Otiel were the ones I understand that wanted Dickey to join them on significant dates such as the 40th. Butch was absolutely opposed and Gregg had become indifferent about Dickey. If he comes then he can play.

This show was never about the original lineup or the Jack P. lineup but the last lineup. But I do hope they will let Jack play a song or two, especially Dimples for Duane as he did so well in the late 90's if Jack would express an interest in being there.

I doubt I will spend the money just to see this stitched together version of the last lineup. I will continue to see Mule and TTB every time they are close to me.

My future live ABB fix I guess will be Allman Betts Band. They do Blue Sky and Liz Reed real well and don't they look like the original front line. Devon looks more like Duane in the face than Gregg, Duane Betts looks like Dickey and Berry Oakley Jr. favors his father. And this Johnny cat in that band can play Statesboro Blues on slide about as good as Warren or Derek.

Anyway those who go hope you have a great time and I'm sure the guys on stage will be in the mood to bring their A game. I'm curious though who will sing most of Gregg's vocals. Seems it would have to be Warren. Marc sings well. After Derek joined in 1999 didnt Marc sing backing vocals until Warren joined? And remember Otiel sings some too. He was singing Seven Turns toward the end.


AlPaul - 1/5/2020 at 11:36 PM

Guys, the band we love and that brought us all here, is getting back together for the first time in 5 years, in the form that they think works best. How can this be anything other than exciting?


Agerst1574 - 1/6/2020 at 12:36 AM

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Guys, the band we love and that brought us all here, is getting back together for the first time in 5 years, in the form that they think works best. How can this be anything other than exciting?


I could not agree with Alan more. Other than what the ticket prices might be, we should be thrilled by this.


BabaOrion - 1/6/2020 at 01:23 AM

Any chance David Goldflies would be invited, and if so, would he attend? I don't know anything about his relationship with the surviving bandmates, but he was in the band for 3 years.


islalala - 1/6/2020 at 02:11 AM

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Last night I was going. But now I'm not. It's probably a 3 thousand dollar trip. High ticket price, lodging, plane or train.

LiveNation focused on getting what is left of the last lineup to do a show from what I understand this morning. There was never any thought to involving Dickey or any other past living members. And Dickey said on his last tour he was struggling to just get his playing back to PAR. A golf term that means just average. Dickey didnt play at the Allman Betts Band show he attended recently. I doubt Dickey could and would play even if they had built the show around him and Jaimoe instead of the last lineup. He is 76 and has health issues and out of shape as a player. It happens to every musician sooner or later. Last time I caught BB King he had to sit and he hit a lot of clams. Old age had caught up with him.

Reese is a known keyboard player who was a key player for Stevie Ray Vaughn and was the original keyboard player in Duane's new band but Dickey has said several times he and Oakley had seen and heard Gregg and Dickey, Oakley and Duane were sharing lead vocal duties and Oakley was singing a good number of the songs they were working on including Trouble No More and Dickey claims it was he and Oakley that critiqued the band and convinced Duane that they needed a different drummer to be the time keeper and Jaimoe could stay but play all the little neat things and colorings around what Butch Trucks would bring to the band then after Duane agreed to add Butchie they convinced Duane to call his brother and try to talk him into taking over keyboards because Gregg could carry the band vocally and the others should just sing a song or two. But Jaimoe thinks Duane had a second drummer and eventually bringing in his brother early on when he realised the trio Phil Walden wanted wouldn't work. So whoever thought of Reese to take Gregg's chair made a good choice because if Gregg was happy recording that solo album he was doing out in LA to get the Hourglass off the hook with Liberty Records then Reese apparently would have been the keyboard player.

Duane Trucks was asked because Butch was his uncle.

Somebody, probably Warren, thought it would be cool to have Chuck play his most famous solo on one of the ABB'S most famous songs, Jessica.

Warren, Derek and Otiel and maybe Jaimoe decided to tell Dickey he is welcome to sit in on a few numbers like Chuck. Warren, Derek and Otiel were the ones I understand that wanted Dickey to join them on significant dates such as the 40th. Butch was absolutely opposed and Gregg had become indifferent about Dickey. If he comes then he can play.

This show was never about the original lineup or the Jack P. lineup but the last lineup. But I do hope they will let Jack play a song or two, especially Dimples for Duane as he did so well in the late 90's if Jack would express an interest in being there.

I doubt I will spend the money just to see this stitched together version of the last lineup. I will continue to see Mule and TTB every time they are close to me.

My future live ABB fix I guess will be Allman Betts Band. They do Blue Sky and Liz Reed real well and don't they look like the original front line. Devon looks more like Duane in the face than Gregg, Duane Betts looks like Dickey and Berry Oakley Jr. favors his father. And this Johnny cat in that band can play Statesboro Blues on slide about as good as Warren or Derek.

Anyway those who go hope you have a great time and I'm sure the guys on stage will be in the mood to bring their A game. I'm curious though who will sing most of Gregg's vocals. Seems it would have to be Warren. Marc sings well. After Derek joined in 1999 didnt Marc sing backing vocals until Warren joined? And remember Otiel sings some too. He was singing Seven Turns toward the end.


I'm going to spray some Raid in the hornet's nest and say this, blackey: the last lineup is the best. It's also my favorite. I'm thrilled so many of them plus the other thoughtfully placed folks will be joining them. Can't wait to see what this lineup can do with the songs at this point in their careers, here in 2020. Bring it on!


CanadianMule - 1/6/2020 at 05:47 AM

quote:
Guys, the band we love and that brought us all here, is getting back together for the first time in 5 years, in the form that they think works best. How can this be anything other than exciting?


LMAO

Stick around and people will tell you all sorts of reasons. None will make sense but the comedy factor is there.

The sane response to your question is - this will be the concert of the year for many. Warren/Derek/everyone else - I will pay for that. Go see them individually anyway so seeing them play a night of ABB -Smokin'


joyful_noise - 1/6/2020 at 10:27 AM

Surely this will be streamed live ... there are too many dollars at stake not to.

Couch tour 2020 ... March 10th. See you there!


blackey - 1/6/2020 at 01:13 PM

islalala. I don't have a problem that you think the last lineup was the best and that it is your favorite.

I would guess you never saw the original lineup or the Chuck/Lamar lineup or that you have not owned/played the albums At Fillmore East or Eat A Peach.

I saw the last lineup several times and not once for me did the last lineup play the songs on Fillmore East or Eat A Peach better or as well as the original lineup. But neither did the other lineups and I saw them all. There was a vibe after Duane that just wasn't there anymore.

Gregg Allman and Jaimoe occasionally would say the band was never as good after Duane died. Duane had a vibe, an energy, that the band was fed and led by that it never felt again.

Butch Trucks in 2015 said he could never get the last lineup to give him something daring and challenging like the original lineup did. That after several years, Butch knew what Warren and Derek were going to do before they did it. That the original lineup would jump in the deep end and take the music completely all the rails with no worry about a train wreck. Butch said Warren and Derek were just too afraid they would end up making a mistake or end up in the middle of a train wreck. That the last lineup was not as creative as the original.

Now I admit in interviews and posting on this site, Butch has complained about all lineups including the original when he told Duane to his face that due to his current drug use Duane wasn't giving Butch anything to play behind. Butch was very critical of Gregg after he got a solo band together and married Cher and was often very negative about the Toler/Goldflies lineup. Butch has complained about The Grateful Dead, Led Zeppelin and Lynyrd Skynyrd and really had a bitterness toward Ed King. So maybe we can overlook Butch where we think he may be wrong or too sensitive and just say he was the backbone of their sound from the first show in 1969 to the last in 2014 and may he rest in peace. Butch was a strong player and a unique man.But to me Butch was indeed right about the original lineup. It is the cornerstone of the ABB. If it had not been that good and unique, no later lineups would have come and gone. Well if Duane and Berry had not been killed I assume the originial lineup would have taken it to the end and what year they called it quits is anybody's guess. Mine is about 2007.

Most of the classic songs in the songbook also came from the original or Chuck/Lamar.

The last lineup had seven very good musicians in it and provided a free wheeling professional and enjoyable show. They were unpredictable with the set lists like the Dead. But they were standing on the shoulders of Duane Allman, Dickey Betts and Berry Oakley. They had just one album and never added anything new to the song book of the band. Whipping Post, Dreams, Midnight Rider, Melissa, Ain't Wasting Time No More, Blue Sky, Jessica, Liz Reed , Southbound and on and on were already classics when the last lineup formed and they didn't add ONE song to that classic song book!!

If they did; in your opinion, then what is it? Firing Line?, Bag End?? Those didn't become ABB classics.

(Disclaimer: The last line up played the ABB songs extremely well and added some new stuff that didn't become ABB standards. I enjoyed the last lineup and thought the musicianship was outstanding and I'm big fans of Warren and Derek. Don't get the idea I didnt like the last lineup!! Derek recently said his style is 60 % Duane Allman 40 % Elmore James with some eastern musicians spread on top. Warren wrote a song that is an ABB standard now. Soulshine. The album version has been played on YouTube over 2 million times. And to a degree comparing all this is probably splitting hairs. I never saw a show as exciting to me as the original lineup but I saw exciting ABB shows from every lineup including the last lineup and even the Toler/Goldflies lineup, the one Butch said was no good.

[Edited on 1/6/2020 by blackey]


rayg - 1/6/2020 at 01:19 PM

How do you create a setlist for 1 show ? Not an easy task for Warren. I would be excited if 'The Brother's ' were a new band ( similar to Dead and Company) that toured with the 1st show at The Garden . That final week of shows at The Beacon in 2014 were the perfect tribute to the ABB. My feelings are mixed at the moment . I'm sure as the date gets closer I will start feeling better about the 1 night tribute.


Edge - 1/6/2020 at 02:33 PM

quote:
They should bring in Jackie P too.

Absolutely!


islalala - 1/6/2020 at 02:52 PM

quote:
islalala. I don't have a problem that you think the last lineup was the best and that it is your favorite.

I would guess you never saw the original lineup or the Chuck/Lamar lineup or that you have not owned/played the albums At Fillmore East or Eat A Peach.

I saw the last lineup several times and not once for me did the last lineup play the songs on Fillmore East or Eat A Peach better or as well as the original lineup. But neither did the other lineups and I saw them all. There was a vibe after Duane that just wasn't there anymore.

Gregg Allman and Jaimoe occasionally would say the band was never as good after Duane died. Duane had a vibe, an energy, that the band was fed and led by that it never felt again.

Butch Trucks in 2015 said he could never get the last lineup to give him something daring and challenging like the original lineup did. That after several years, Butch knew what Warren and Derek were going to do before they did it. That the original lineup would jump in the deep end and take the music completely all the rails with no worry about a train wreck. Butch said Warren and Derek were just too afraid they would end up making a mistake or end up in the middle of a train wreck. That the last lineup was not as creative as the original.

Now I admit in interviews and posting on this site, Butch has complained about all lineups including the original when he told Duane to his face that due to his current drug use Duane wasn't giving Butch anything to play behind. Butch was very critical of Gregg after he got a solo band together and married Cher and was often very negative about the Toler/Goldflies lineup. Butch has complained about The Grateful Dead, Led Zeppelin and Lynyrd Skynyrd and really had a bitterness toward Ed King. So maybe we can overlook Butch where we think he may be wrong or too sensitive and just say he was the backbone of their sound from the first show in 1969 to the last in 2014 and may he rest in peace. Butch was a strong player and a unique man.But to me Butch was indeed right about the original lineup. It is the cornerstone of the ABB. If it had not been that good and unique, no later lineups would have come and gone. Well if Duane and Berry had not been killed I assume the originial lineup would have taken it to the end and what year they called it quits is anybody's guess. Mine is about 2007.

Most of the classic songs in the songbook also came from the original or Chuck/Lamar.

The last lineup had seven very good musicians in it and provided a free wheeling professional and enjoyable show. They were unpredictable with the set lists like the Dead. But they were standing on the shoulders of Duane Allman, Dickey Betts and Berry Oakley. They had just one album and never added anything new to the song book of the band. Whipping Post, Dreams, Midnight Rider, Melissa, Ain't Wasting Time No More, Blue Sky, Jessica, Liz Reed , Southbound and on and on were already classics when the last lineup formed and they didn't add ONE song to that classic song book!!

If they did; in your opinion, then what is it? Firing Line?, Bag End?? Those didn't become ABB classics.

(Disclaimer: The last line up played the ABB songs extremely well and added some new stuff that didn't become ABB standards. I enjoyed the last lineup and thought the musicianship was outstanding and I'm big fans of Warren and Derek. Don't get the idea I didnt like the last lineup!! Derek recently said his style is 60 % Duane Allman 40 % Elmore James with some eastern musicians spread on top. Warren wrote a song that is an ABB standard now. Soulshine. The album version has been played on YouTube over 2 million times. And to a degree comparing all this is probably splitting hairs. I never saw a show as exciting to me as the original lineup but I saw exciting ABB shows from every lineup including the last lineup and even the Toler/Goldflies lineup, the one Butch said was no good.

[Edited on 1/6/2020 by blackey]


You're right I never saw the original lineup live as I wasn't born yet, but the albums from that period are what hooked me. Like everyone else on here I've gobbled up every recording live or studio I could get my hands on and scrutinized every "inch of tape". You're a lucky dude for having seen them and props always to the originals bc they set the standard, but man do us "newbies" ( I was 15 when I saw my first show in 91 ) always have to beaten over the head about the originals? That's how it comes across.


Joe_the_Lurker - 1/6/2020 at 03:13 PM

I want to go!!!

I missed the final show(s) because, well, I had a 2 month old at home and it was impossible to go.

I've also missed some big tours lately due to insane ticket prices. Bob Seger's final tour, the recent Eagles tours, and my biggest regret is not laying down the credit card to go see David Gilmour in Chicago a couple years ago.

My last Allman show was at The Gorge May 16, 2009 with the Dead and the Doobies. The only time i've been to NYC was one ABB Beacon show in 2003 that was 1-2 shows removed from the DVD. I've seen the Mule, TTB, and Allman Betts since then and while they are great, nothing compares to being up front at an Allman Bros concert. It's a feeling i've never come close to experiencing with Any other band.

This is so tough. Living far away, I don't have the luxury to wait until 2 days prior to see what is released. Airfare is decent right now. But sitting in the back isn't even worth it to me so it's gotta be somewhat up close, but those tickets will be hundreds each. But it's a once in a lifetime opportunity.... But it'll cost too much..... yes, no, yes, no. I wanna GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


VTAB - 1/6/2020 at 04:07 PM

Blackey - Get over the 69-71 era nonsense, that band has not existed since 1971

No question we would love to see Dickey one more time. The man had a stroke.

The music lived on and flourished with other players. Yes some era's were better than others
but get over it man. The last lineup was outstanding arguably as good as 71 but the point is
THEY ARE GETTING BACK TOGETHER AGAIN FOR ONE MORE SHOW.


Jonesy - 1/6/2020 at 04:19 PM

quote:
Blackey - Get over the 69-71 era nonsense, that band has not existed since 1971

No question we would love to see Dickey one more time. The man had a stroke.

The music lived on and flourished with other players. Yes some era's were better than others
but get over it man. The last lineup was outstanding arguably as good as 71 but the point is
THEY ARE GETTING BACK TOGETHER AGAIN FOR ONE MORE SHOW.


Another member posted that the last lineup was the best lineup and their favorite. Blackey responded, and i thought he did a good job of putting it in context. He is obviously a great ABB fan through today, and including the splinter bands. I enjoy his posts


Jim55 - 1/6/2020 at 04:25 PM

@Blackey: YAWN...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyyAh2lQXF8




Joe_the_Lurker - 1/6/2020 at 04:27 PM

They should call the VIP Package the Whippin Post because that's exactly what it's gonna feel like to spend the money to be up close. Good Lord I feel like i'm Dyin! For 2 hours of BLISS!


OldDog - 1/6/2020 at 04:36 PM

Blackey i like your posts and the history you bring to the site. What you don't seem to understand is that it's possible for people to disagree with you without being wrong. I saw the original band in their greatest show and agree I like them best as well. I don't agree that the Chuck Levell edition was better than the last. As far as the hits/album argument I don't buy it. You are talking 30/40 years later, that type of music is not what's on today's radio or young peoples list. I honestly feel if the original brothers started today they would be as good but not as well received, times are different. This is a great show and i wish i could go and to be upset because of the presentation or Dickies refusal to attend is IMHO off base. The guys playing worship at the alter of the ABB and are paying tribute. Remember beauty is in the eye of the beholder. We would all be better off if we could agree to disagree.


hotlantatim - 1/6/2020 at 05:32 PM

It was pointed out to me that the David Spero quote in the Rolling Stone article is likely one from 2014, not about the reunion. The article is poorly written at that point because it makes it seem as if it is a quote about Dickey's participation in this tribute 2020 show. But he speaks in past tense. So, I don't think we have an idea if Dickey was asked to be a part of this.

I loved seeing Dickey & Jaimoe together in 2018 in Macon. With Dickey's level of playing in 2018 and his subsequent stroke and fall (brain surgery), plus so little playing since 2014, I don't think there is a realistic way he could credibly perform at this beyond a slowed down song or two. I bet he'd rather not.

Chuck being a part of it makes sense since he was a semi-regular guest with the final ABB lineup (having not once played with the ABB from 1989-2000). He's was also the musical director of the 2017 Peachfest tribute set that also included Jaimoe, Oteil, Marc, Warren, Jack. (I also got to see Chuck take the roof off the Fox in ATL on Jessica with Warren + Derek at the 2017 Col Bruce Tribute).

Hopefully, Chuck plays a lot that night but "Special Guest" I think guarantees nothing beyond Jessica. We'll see.


hotlantatim - 1/6/2020 at 05:36 PM

MSG means a lot of seats to sell. Plus, it's a one-off weekday gig, which limits how many can travel there like used to for the Beacon. New York & New Jersey love the Allman Brothers, but I don't think the scalpers will be making big bucks on this show. VIP and front sections will have crazy prices, but the rest should be reasonable (if they want the arena full). The performers likely have little do with ticket prices.


hotlantatim - 1/6/2020 at 05:52 PM

PS - here is that Jessica with Chuck, Warren, Derek from the Col Bruce Tribute (plus Duane Trucks, Dave Schools, Jon Fishman, Matt Slocum):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf0eNritXyk

If MSG sounds anywhere this good (I bet it will), fans are in for a real treat.


blackey - 1/6/2020 at 06:16 PM

If Whipping Post is anything close to this it will be a nice tribute to Gregg.

https://youtu.be/FUvxRjYqjEQ


pops42 - 1/6/2020 at 06:45 PM

quote:
PS - here is that Jessica with Chuck, Warren, Derek from the Col Bruce Tribute (plus Duane Trucks, Dave Schools, Jon Fishman, Matt Slocum):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf0eNritXyk

If MSG sounds anywhere this good (I bet it will), fans are in for a real treat.
They crushed it!.


adhill58 - 1/6/2020 at 09:07 PM

Jack seemingly got ignored during the 2009 Beacon Run... he should definitely be part of this. I do not see any argument that his presence would not make this thing better.

As far as Gregg's vocals, Lamar Williams Jr. had done a great job with those songs while he was in Les Brers... plus he has the family connection. Much better voice for the songs than Devon Allman, in my opinion.


rationalrebel - 1/6/2020 at 10:26 PM

A couple random thoughts/observations:

1. On the same note as Al: how can anyone who loves good music and the Allman Brothers family not be happy (or be so negative) about this happening. I personally am beyond excited and still cannot believe it's happening. Thanks to those putting it together.

2. Jackie P should definitely be invited, and I'd bet he would love to be there

3. We all love Dickey's playing, but people please stop trying to ruin a good vibe and news with something that hasn't happened in 20 years (Dickey playing with the band)..these threads can look like a college football talkshow at times...a bunch of what ifs...

4. This lineup can play whatever they want....Bag End>Egypt>Instrumental Illness>True Gravity>Pegasus and I will be happy....they would probably be thrilled themselves. In fact..if they did, I would go on to say that at that particular moment in time on March 10th... it would be the best live music being played in the world . Note: see the last March Beacon (2 shows) run when Gregg was sick, the shows were still AMAZING.

5. Just typing and thinking about this has me so excited for March 10th!!...so pumped. See yall there.




Marley - 1/7/2020 at 12:10 AM

I don't know if I'll make it because of travel plans, but I think everybody sounds up for it musically and personally and that makes it meaningful. Even if it were only a tribute to this lineup, they've earned that kind of tribute. The younger guys were all in the band for 15-20 years, and the last lineup stayed together for 13 years. It accomplished a lot, and the younger guys in particular did a lot to try to maintain the band's legacy when they could've just let it ride and cashed some checks. Things clearly got complicated between some of them at the end but there was a respect for the music and the vision that lasted. I was going to say something longer but the bottom line is that Derek and Oteil and Warren (and probably Marc if he's ever been asked) have never been anything but incredibly respectful of what the original band accomplished. That includes Dickey's role during his 30 years in the band. I am sure they have plenty of tales they could tell, but try finding one in print.

The Beacon is THE Allmans venue and we all know it, but it's booked up in March. Some of the players don't want to take time out from the summer touring season to do more rehearsals and a Beacon run with six or eight or whatever shows, and a single show at the Beacon might not be economically viable — and it'd also shut out a lot of fans compared to MSG. It would be wonderful if some past ABB members were there because they also deserve acknowledgment, but I guess they want a more focused performance, and maybe once you start adding other players it's hard to draw a line. Reese Wynans is a cool choice.

quote:
Duane Trucks was asked because Butch was his uncle.

You mean he was asked because Butch was his uncle and an early drum teacher for him, and because he's a longtime professional musician who's played with everyone in the ABB. I was at the show Butch missed in 2014, and Duane filled in. Also: to be honest, who else would they ask? I guess Matt Abts, who could definitely do it, but he's not literally family.

quote:
It was pointed out to me that the David Spero quote in the Rolling Stone article is likely one from 2014, not about the reunion.

I am sure it's from 2020. It would be out of context to a bizarre degree, and as far as I know, he was not invited to the 2014 shows anyway. He was invited to the 2009 Beacon shows.

[Edited on 1/7/2020 by Marley]


johnj - 1/7/2020 at 01:20 AM

Is there a pre sale password or are those days over ?


blackey - 1/7/2020 at 03:07 AM

Marley. I wasn't being critical of any musicians ability and certainly not Duane Trucks.

I was trying to find the link between the deceased last lineup member and who was chosen to fill in.

Duane Trucks was likely chosen because he is Butch's nephew. Reese was selected to take Gregg's place on organ because Reese was the organ/keyboard player who was playing in Duane Allman's new band when they were playing as an unnamed band at Second Coming shows. They eventually billed themselves as The Second Coming at a few Florida shows with Duane and Dickey on lead guitars, Butch and Jaimoe on drums, Berry on bass and Reese on keys. Of course Dickey, Berry and Reese were members of The Second Coming before Duane selected Berry to be in his new band that began as a trio with Duane, Berry and Jaimoe.

Dickey and Berry use to claim they persuaded Duane to call his brother to replace Reese because Dickey felt with Duane, Dickey and Berry trading off on the lead vocals, none of them could sing as well as the band could play.

Then if you want to connect the rest of the dots to the original band, Derek is Duane, Warren is Dickey and Otiel is Berry. Chuck was asked to join as a special guest because his piano is so prominent in the Chuck/Lamar version of the band. That version was handed stardom by the original band because Fillmore East went gold before Duane died and Eat A Peach went platinum just after Duane died and the band had become a headliner coast to coast. Then Chuck joined and Brothers and Sisters came out and went to number one on the Billboard top 200 album chart for five weeks and sold over four million copies. The ABB was selling out huge coliseums and was declared the number one band in America by Billboard, Circus and Playboy. So Chuck's piano is crucial to that era especially on Jessica. The ABB was NEVER as commercially successful as they were in 1973 and 4. They could fill a huge Coliseum anywhere in the United States.

Replacing Gregg's vocals is the big scramble to me. I guess Warren will have to sing for Gregg and sing Blue Sky too. Unless Chuck sings Blue Sky. In 1975 they added Long Time Gone from Dickey's solo album to the live show but Chuck sang lead on the first have of it and it sounded good.

I would imagine they will do a song or two off Hitting The Note but the rest will be heavy on songs by the original lineup and Brothers and Sisters. Dreams, Whjpping Post, Not My Cross To Bear, Black Harted Woman, Revival, Don't Keep Me Wondering, Midnight Rider, Liz Reed, Statesboro Blues, You Don't Love Me, Stormy Monday, Hot Lana, Ain't Waisting Time No More, Melissa, One Way Out, Trouble No More, Standback (Berry wrote the music and planned to call it The Road To Calico until Gregg got it, added words and made some changes), Blue Sky, Little Martha, Waisted Words, Ramblin' Man ( I bet so this time), Southbound, Jessica, Good Clean Fun, True Gravity, End of the Line, No one to Run With.....I can see them wanting to play all those. Its going to be a four hour show.

As to Dickey. If he wanted to walk out on the stage and wave or even sing something, it would bring the house down. Dickey contributed more to the Allman Brothers than any man on that stage including Jaimoe. Dickey deserves to be honored and have a tribute show played for him like they did for Gregg and Lynyrd Skynyrd. But I'm afraid his playing days are behind him. Maybe he can get some of his chops back but at 76 and his health setbacks it would take some time. Everyone knows without Dickey the band wouldn't be anything close to what it is. Dickey is a GIANT in ABB history. If Gregg is the Mick Jagger then Dickey was the Keith Richards. Dickey is the wealthiest Brother. 40 million. And he deserves every penny of it.

Also this is The Brothers not the Allman Brothers like the Dead wasn't the Grateful Dead. Cant have it called the Allman Brothers without Gregg and his great singing voice.


jszfunk - 1/7/2020 at 12:57 PM

quote:
They should call the VIP Package the Whippin Post because that's exactly what it's gonna feel like to spend the money to be up close.


Ha!!! Good one.....Aint that the truth. You cant get up close anymore without buying these astronomical priced VIP packages. As long as people keep paying for them the beast will continue to be fed and grow. My wallet has been shut for quite some time. Love music and concerts but tix prices are ridiculous.

Lots of good posts so far and I can see all points of view with respect. I an sure they will sell tix's, but that's a pretty big building to fill. I don't know if one should expect a sellout or not. Maybe if Gregg and Butch were still alive and they were doing a one off 50th anniversary show, I could see a full house. No matter what, it will be a great night of songs with great musicianship no doubt.


[Edited on 1/7/2020 by jszfunk]

[Edited on 1/7/2020 by jszfunk]


Rubin - 1/7/2020 at 02:37 PM

You'd think they could have thrown the fans a bone for the pre-sale...


Stephen - 1/7/2020 at 02:45 PM

All who are planning to be there are in for a tremendous show
I love the ABB


cyclone88 - 1/7/2020 at 03:00 PM

Tickets go on sale 1/10 but the promised pre-sale info is crickets.

I don't see them filling 1/3 of MSG for Jaimoe, Warren Haynes, Derek Trucks, Oteil Burbridge, Marc Quinones, Duane Trucks & Reese Wynans. Chuck Leavell is billed only as a special guest. No "and more" teasers.


tbomike - 1/7/2020 at 03:02 PM

quote:
Tickets go on sale 1/10 but the promised pre-sale info is crickets.

I don't see them filling 1/3 of MSG for Jaimoe, Warren Haynes, Derek Trucks, Oteil Burbridge, Marc Quinones, Duane Trucks & Reese Wynans. Chuck Leavell is billed only as a special guest. No "and more" teasers.




You are kidding yourself.


Joe_the_Lurker - 1/7/2020 at 03:03 PM

2,000+ people in front of me in the queue. WTF


Joe5986 - 1/7/2020 at 03:06 PM

Joe, same here. PUKE


whrfrt9677 - 1/7/2020 at 03:08 PM

Yep...2,000+


Agerst1574 - 1/7/2020 at 03:09 PM

Same here and it is moving slowly. I have had this before and it has moved a lot quicker.


fireman12engine - 1/7/2020 at 03:10 PM

same here
2000+
the line is moving though


Joe_the_Lurker - 1/7/2020 at 03:10 PM

the little walking purple guy isn't even half way across the bar


whrfrt9677 - 1/7/2020 at 03:11 PM

If I knew it would be this bad I would've slept outside Tower Records last night to make sure I was first on line...LOL...those were the days.


fireman12engine - 1/7/2020 at 03:12 PM

quote:
the little walking purple guy isn't even half way across the bar


i'm almost half way there


tbomike - 1/7/2020 at 03:13 PM

Once you get in you'll have the fun of constantly being told someone else beat you to the tickets you try to put in your cart.


fireman12engine - 1/7/2020 at 03:15 PM

quote:
Once you get in you'll have the fun of constantly being told someone else beat you to the tickets you try to put in your cart.

yeah i hate that


whrfrt9677 - 1/7/2020 at 03:15 PM

Past half-way...must be out of tix..


Stephen - 1/7/2020 at 03:17 PM

quote:
Tickets go on sale 1/10 but the promised pre-sale info is crickets.

I don't see them filling 1/3 of MSG for Jaimoe, Warren Haynes, Derek Trucks, Oteil Burbridge, Marc Quinones, Duane Trucks & Reese Wynans. Chuck Leavell is billed only as a special guest. No "and more" teasers.




Not necessarily a bad thing - something to be said for being able to move around & not be squeezed into a seat where the person in front of you might be blocking your view, or the people around you possibly yapping nonstop or talking on their phones the whole time - just sayin
Agree it likely won’t sell out, but so what


tbomike - 1/7/2020 at 03:18 PM

So how does this experience fit with those of you thinking this would sell a 3rd of the arena. I can't believe so called Allman Brothers fans believe this show would not matter to people.


tbomike - 1/7/2020 at 03:19 PM

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Tickets go on sale 1/10 but the promised pre-sale info is crickets.

I don't see them filling 1/3 of MSG for Jaimoe, Warren Haynes, Derek Trucks, Oteil Burbridge, Marc Quinones, Duane Trucks & Reese Wynans. Chuck Leavell is billed only as a special guest. No "and more" teasers.




Not necessarily a bad thing - something to be said for being able to move around & not be squeezed into a seat where the person in front of you might be blocking your view, or the people around you possibly yapping nonstop or talking on their phones the whole time - just sayin
Agree it likely won’t sell out, but so what


You guys are nuts.


MuleMe - 1/7/2020 at 03:20 PM

Got 3 codes. WTF...


TheGuru - 1/7/2020 at 03:23 PM

Grabbed 10th row. Section A. Presale tickets are still available.


fireman12engine - 1/7/2020 at 03:24 PM

got 3 tickets lower level 105 row 18
189 + 35 fees
kind of got buyers remorse but it will pass lol


VTAB - 1/7/2020 at 03:29 PM

I caught Lamar Williams sing with Les Brers wow totally impressed. He has the historical ties
and never heard anyone come as close to Gregg on the vocals. I look forward to seeing how that
is handled. Giant shoes to fill.


whrfrt9677 - 1/7/2020 at 03:36 PM

Got 1 ticket, $50 plus $15 fees. Top of the room. Wanted to make sure I'm in the building at worst. At best, I'll play the secondary market and the other presales and see what happens.


Marley - 1/7/2020 at 04:09 PM

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I was trying to find the link between the deceased last lineup member and who was chosen to fill in.

I think everybody knows what Duane Trucks's link to Butch (and Derek) is. But nbd.
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Replacing Gregg's vocals is the big scramble to me. I guess Warren will have to sing for Gregg and sing Blue Sky too.

If they're not going to have any other guests you'd expect Warren to sing almost everything. It'd be interesting if they don't do it that way because Oteil and Chuck can both sing and Marc even did a cover of Midnight Rider a couple of years ago, but that seems like the way it would go.
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I would imagine they will do a song or two off Hitting The Note but the rest will be heavy on songs by the original lineup and Brothers and Sisters.

For sure. Imagine a slimmed-down version of what they played at the last show: almost everything that night was taken from the first four albums, plus Southbound from B&S and High Cost of Low Living from Hittin' the Note and Good Morning Little Schoolgirl as an extra Warren feature. I'm sure they'll mix things up from that setlist a little but that seems like it'll be the template.
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Dickey contributed more to the Allman Brothers than any man on that stage including Jaimoe.

It doesn't work this way and it's not a contest. Reading comments like this it feels like you think you're arguing with someone, anyone, about his contribution to the band over the years, but literally nobody disagrees with this whatever they think of more recent stuff.
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Dickey is the wealthiest Brother. 40 million. And he deserves every penny of it

I can see you know your stuff where the band is concerned, but I have a feeling you're getting this from some kind of celebrity net worth site, so you should know those things are a complete joke that just make money off people Googling stuff. They do not know anything and you should not take them seriously. Even carefully researched estimates like the ones you get on Forbes are probably way off and should be taken with huge grains of salt.


porkchopbob - 1/7/2020 at 04:33 PM

One of the things that is awesome about the Allman Brothers is their amazing, diehard fans. The Allman Brothers made it seem like an extended family early on, and managed to keep a much larger Brotherhood of fans of sorts up until the end. It also leads to one of my ABB-related pet peeves - fans who think they are some kind of insider expert. You hear them in line at shows blabbering about what a clueless roadie told them or repeating widely distributed stories they read in an article as if they were there. Almost everyone here has read the same books, articles, and gossip over the years. No need to repeat it ad nauseam here. Just enjoy the music that remains, let the dead rest.


JimSheridan - 1/7/2020 at 04:39 PM

My favorite story, and I've told it here before, was from seeing the ABB in lawn seats in Hartford in 2006, when they were playing with Tom Petty.

The guy behind us looked and sounded exactly like Joe Walsh, complete with bandanna and shades. He was watching the band and asking everyone around, "Which one's DUANE, man?"


rationalrebel - 1/7/2020 at 05:19 PM

Hah JimSheridan, we were at the Rosemont in Chicago ('05 or '06) and moe. opened. When the ABB took the stage and the lights came on we noticed Jack P. was playing instead of Warren (amazing show). My buddy and I looked at each other like, "where's Warren" but also very delighted Jack was there. The random guy to my left looks at us and says, "Where's Dickey Betts?", the only thing we could answer with was...."check your fax machine".....


jszfunk - 1/7/2020 at 05:23 PM


rationalrebel - 1/7/2020 at 05:28 PM

there's a seat chart with the seat numbers floating around somewhere on the web, not sure how to attach it here. But if you're looking at the stage from your seats, the numbers go left to right


Joe_the_Lurker - 1/7/2020 at 06:04 PM

BROS, Joe the Lurker will see you there!! Sec C Row 13 Seats 1-2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


jparadise - 1/7/2020 at 06:29 PM

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One of the things that is awesome about the Allman Brothers is their amazing, diehard fans. The Allman Brothers made it seem like an extended family early on, and managed to keep a much larger Brotherhood of fans of sorts up until the end. It also leads to one of my ABB-related pet peeves - fans who think they are some kind of insider expert. You hear them in line at shows blabbering about what a clueless roadie told them or repeating widely distributed stories they read in an article as if they were there. Almost everyone here has read the same books, articles, and gossip over the years. No need to repeat it ad nauseam here. Just enjoy the music that remains, let the dead rest.



God bless you, Bob. Somebody needed to say it. This dynamic is surely getting old.


jszfunk - 1/7/2020 at 06:29 PM

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My favorite story, and I've told it here before, was from seeing the ABB in lawn seats in Hartford in 2006, when they were playing with Tom Petty.

The guy behind us looked and sounded exactly like Joe Walsh, complete with bandanna and shades. He was watching the band and asking everyone around, "Which one's DUANE, man?"



HA! Good one! I got one from 2004. I saw the ABB here in Indy at The Lawn Whiteriver Park downtown. About half way through the show three guys came in looking like they just got off the golf course,beers in hand and appeared to be feeling pretty good. One leaned over to me and ask "which one is Dickey Betts?' I politely obliged his question and pointed to the gentleman on the left hand of the stage playing the bass. Could not resist that one!


porkchopbob - 1/7/2020 at 07:02 PM

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God bless you, Bob. Somebody needed to say it. This dynamic is surely getting old.

I'm sure we'll get an anecdote about the financial impact of A Decade of Hits this afternoon, regardless...


applenut - 1/7/2020 at 07:15 PM

Based on presale availability I don’t think this is going to sell out unless they start leveraging dynamic pricing down. Lots of availability. The jump from $99 to $179 is huge and the next jump seems to be to $269.

I’m tempted to grab good seats at the $179 price point but leaning towards waiting. I can’t see the resale market for this show being too strong unless they start adding special guests or dropping rumors.


jparadise - 1/7/2020 at 08:08 PM

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God bless you, Bob. Somebody needed to say it. This dynamic is surely getting old.

I'm sure we'll get an anecdote about the financial impact of A Decade of Hits this afternoon, regardless...



You know Butch wasn't happy at all about that album, right?...


cyclone88 - 1/7/2020 at 08:11 PM

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Based on presale availability I don’t think this is going to sell out


When someone else & I said this we got blasted, but 20,000 is a lot of seats to sell.

Anyway, you got seats. Have a great time.


redlegs - 1/7/2020 at 09:00 PM

section A row 11 seats 9 & 10. embarassed by what i paid. i have almost cried with joy about this show. i'm beyond excited for 2020. Brothers...2 ttb shows and black crowes all booked for me. God loves me and wants me to be happy!!!!!!!


Bossyman - 1/7/2020 at 09:05 PM

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section A row 11 seats 9 & 10. embarassed by what i paid. i have almost cried with joy about this show. i'm beyond excited for 2020. Brothers...2 ttb shows and black crowes all booked for me. God loves me and wants me to be happy!!!!!!!

Awesome!!! I’m in 116 row 10...yes, paid a pretty, pretty, pretty, penny. But I’m psyched!! Derek and Warren playing together - on Allman Brothers material - come on! Worth. Every. Penny.

[Edited on 1/7/2020 by Bossyman]


blackey - 1/7/2020 at 10:31 PM

I have a granddaughter in Brooklyn getting me a ticket. I am getting sticker shock. I want to feel as as if The Allman Brothers Band has been resurrected but it an illusion. This is NOT the Allman Brothers Band. It's The Brothers.

What is wrong with me? I'm willing to pay this kind of money to see Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes basically pretend to be Duane Allman and Dickey Betts with Warren I presume pretending to be Gregg Allman on vocals and Duane Trucks pretending to be Butch. I saw the Mule twice this year and heard Warren Haynes sing Gregg's words on a couple of songs for a lot less money than this.

One original member of the band and a few members of the last lineup playing songs with the exception of Jaimoe and Chuck they didn't write or even record to be on an ABB record. With the exception of Jaimoe and a few songs Chuck played on these people didnt write or record these songs!!!

I love Derek and Warren but damn this feels like a rip off. I'd feel better if much of the money is going to Melinda Trucks.


Joe_the_Lurker - 1/7/2020 at 10:40 PM

Yeah it costs a fortune, but it's the 50th. I have to trust Derek's quote saying one last time so this is it. I never thought Derek would do any show like this again.
I've taken my wife to TTB and Mule a few times each and a front row Allman Betts Band, and while it's great, like i've said before it's nothing compared to an Allman concert. This is my once in a lifetime chance to take the wife to see the music I love the most in the world. We missed the Oct 2014 shows because we were new parents with an infant at home. I'm turning 40 this March too so happy birthday to me. I don't have the luxury of waiting for last second deals because airfare and lodging and all that but who cares, IT'S THE BROTHERS BACK TOGETHER AGAIN!!!

Somewhere is an interview clip with Oteil where he says "People pay ridiculous amounts of money to see us because they're counting on a spiritually uplifting experience." What Oteil Said!

[Edited on 1/7/2020 by Joe_the_Lurker]


Marley - 1/8/2020 at 12:00 AM

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What is wrong with me?

I'm not a doctor, but somebody's doing a very nice thing for you and you're slagging on the band...


jszfunk - 1/8/2020 at 12:44 AM

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What is wrong with me?

I'm not a doctor, but somebody's doing a very nice thing for you and you're slagging on the band...


I don't think Blackey is" slagging" on the band, at least I am not perceiving his post that way. He is very
passionate about the original lineup and he has the right to his opinion. I read nothing disparaging in it. I have respectfully agreed to disagree with him before. I get where he is coming from on some of his sentiments.

I can't tell people how to spend their money, to each there own as far as feeding the industry. Personally there is NO WAY I would pay these inflated prices. I love the ABB Derek,Warren,Jaimoe,Marc.......but these prices are beyond me.

Is this 50th anniversary "Brother" driven, formulated by the last lineup or did the industry look at this as a opportunity and present it to them?


Mule75 - 1/8/2020 at 01:25 AM

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What is wrong with me?


You run at the mouth (or keyboard) too much.
Nobody in the band is "pretending" to be a departed band member.
Put on the Brothers of the Road VHS and smoke a doob.
If you don't want to spend the $, don't go to the show.
Just STFU about it.


Marley - 1/8/2020 at 01:31 AM

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What is wrong with me?

I'm not a doctor, but somebody's doing a very nice thing for you and you're slagging on the band...


I don't think Blackey is" slagging" on the band, at least I am not perceiving his post that way. He is very
passionate about the original lineup and he has the right to his opinion. I read nothing disparaging in it.

Describing the players as "pretending" to be other musicians is pretty insulting, especially when you're talking about guys who filled these roles in this band for 10 or 20 years and who have always been very vocal about their love and respect for the band's entire history. Everybody here loves the original version of the band and 99% of everybody here thinks it's the best, but it's not a contest with any other lineup.
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Is this 50th anniversary "Brother" driven, formulated by the last lineup or did the industry look at this as a opportunity and present it to them?

Who cares? If they didn't think it was right they wouldn't be doing it, and their comments say they think it's a meaningful tribute.


jszfunk - 1/8/2020 at 01:40 AM

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quote:
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What is wrong with me?

I'm not a doctor, but somebody's doing a very nice thing for you and you're slagging on the band...


I don't think Blackey is" slagging" on the band, at least I am not perceiving his post that way. He is very
passionate about the original lineup and he has the right to his opinion. I read nothing disparaging in it.

Describing the players as "pretending" to be other musicians is pretty insulting, especially when you're talking about guys who filled these roles in this band for 10 or 20 years and who have always been very vocal about their love and respect for the band's entire history. Everybody here loves the original version of the band and 99% of everybody here thinks it's the best, but it's not a contest with any other lineup.
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Is this 50th anniversary "Brother" driven, formulated by the last lineup or did the industry look at this as a opportunity and present it to them?

Who cares? If they didn't think it was right they wouldn't be doing it, and their comments say they think it's a meaningful tribute.


When you flash dollar signs in front of someone who knows what they think,decide or say? Ask the Robinson brothers.

[Edited on 1/8/2020 by jszfunk]


blackey - 1/8/2020 at 03:15 AM

Okay when Warren Haynes is singing Blue Sky and adding clear Dickey licks to some of his Blue Sky or Jessica solo, maybe he isn't "pretending" to be Dickey but I guarantee you he is thinking about Dickey. And Gregg when he sings Statesboro Blues ABB style and Derek thinks about Duane Allman every time he playes slide on Statesboro Blues. Everytime.

Bloomberg and Forbes are rather accurate listing the net worth of famous people. Keith Richards is listed at 340 million from several sources. Clapton 300 million. With ABB people, Dickey 40 million, Gregg at his death 18 million, Warren 13 million, Derek 6 million, Jaimoe 1 million and 700 thousand dollars. Apparently the big difference between Gregg and Dickey is Gregg filed for bankruptcy in the early 1980's. It was in the papers. Both men have made millions off song writing royalties. The ASCAP and BMI royalties for radio airplay can be significant. I doubt it's the case now, but back in the mid nighties Butch Trucks posted here that other than all the airplay they got from Ramblin'Man and Jessica in 1973, the band gets more airplay on FM rock stations for selected tracks off many of their albums right now than ever before.

Radio stations have to keep up with the music they play and pay royalties through ASCAP or BMI. And the artist gets NOTHING!!! It's the song writers.

Gregg agreed to split Midnight Rider with Kim Payne 95% for Gregg and 05% for Kim because Kim helped him think of a lyric when Gregg became stuck. Sales of Idlewild South, Laid Back, A Decade of Hits, airplay of Midnight Rider etc has been a nice little income stream for Kim Payne even at just 5%=of one song. And the Brothers put Statesboro Blues on Fillmore East which sold over a million copies and the same track is on A Decade of Hits which sold over 2 million copies. That is a lot of royality money for whoever gets the money made by Blind Willie McTell.

In 2000 when the band was having the Dickey drama, Gregg was quoted in the press, " This is not about money. We all are millionaires and can retire right now."


Stephen - 1/8/2020 at 05:13 AM

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Is this 50th anniversary "Brother" driven, formulated by the last lineup or did the industry look at this as a opportunity and present it to them?

Who cares? If they didn't think it was right they wouldn't be doing it, and their comments say they think it's a meaningful tribute.


When you flash dollar signs in front of someone who knows what they think,decide or say? Ask the Robinson brothers.

[Edited on 1/8/2020 by jszfunk]


I’d have to believe there might be some truth to that - people are only human & everyone needs money -
That said, the boys also see this as a way to honor music they & many people love - they won’t sell out on that end of it, Ever, not that they’re even doing that to begin with - a VERY special night is in store

Before going back to topic
hate sounding like a broken record.....

But gosh, wouldn’t it only be fitting to try to arrange something similar for Dickey - he’s still with us, few are more deserving & IMHO, such a show at the Beacon Theatre, harkening back to all those years of packed March shows, in honor of this amazing musician, would be just as wonderful

Thank you Bros., March 10 will be a treat!

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by Stephen]


porkchopbob - 1/8/2020 at 02:41 PM

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Bloomberg and Forbes are rather accurate listing the net worth of famous people".....

blackey, you don't need to repeat the same financial stats you read on sugar packets in every thread. I enjoy your stories -- your stories, that you were a participant in -- but please stop dragging every thread towards the same tabloid gossip. We've all read the same books and articles you have, no need to rehash the same histories here.

I hope you have a great time at The Brothers show in March, it should be a great night of amazing music we all love.


Marley - 1/8/2020 at 04:42 PM

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Okay when Warren Haynes is singing Blue Sky and adding clear Dickey licks to some of his Blue Sky or Jessica solo, maybe he isn't "pretending" to be Dickey but I guarantee you he is thinking about Dickey. And Gregg when he sings Statesboro Blues ABB style and Derek thinks about Duane Allman every time he playes slide on Statesboro Blues. Everytime.

He definitely isn't pretending to be anyone; he's playing songs he's played hundreds of times. And this is not how good musicians make music. When these guys are playing, they're in the moment, listening to each other and reacting to what the others are playing and what they're feeling. If you're thinking consciously about something while playing, the thing that happens most is that you screw up. They don't need to think about these guys to play like them. They spent I don't know how many hours listening to them or playing with them. It's instinct. They sometimes talk about adding a particular person's flavor to what they're doing, but once you've practiced that, it's not something you have to stop and think about. They talk about this stuff all the time in interviews.
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Bloomberg and Forbes are rather accurate listing the net worth of famous people.

They are not. Their estimates are about as good as you're going to get from an outsider, but they're not that accurate. Wealth is very hard to calculate and people try to game the system. At best, it's educated guesses built on educated guesses, which means it's not very factual. And you’re not getting those Allman Brothers numbers from Bloomberg and Forbes. They’re not spending much time examining the wealth of people worth $6 million.
Anyway: who cares about any of this? At best it's trivia, and it's not even good trivia. It doesn't tell you much of anything about the music, which is what most of us are interested in.

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I’d have to believe there might be some truth to that - people are only human & everyone needs money
That said, the boys also see this as a way to honor music they & many people love - they won’t sell out on that end of it, Ever - a VERY special night is in store

Everyone has bills to pay, but all of these guys have their own gigs already. I'm doubtful any of them needs this money badly enough that they would do this type of show if they didn't think it felt right.

[Edited on 1/8/2020 by Marley]


blackey - 1/8/2020 at 05:09 PM

Thank you porkchop. I hope I enjoy it too. I did okay before I retired but I'm not as wealthy as Dickey or even Jaimoe. So I'm not accustom to paying this kind of money to enjoy ABB music being played by musicians we should assume can play it better than any others working today.

Yes I imagine Warren, Derek, Chuck, Otiel, Jaimoe, Marc can play Allman Brothers music better than any group working today and Reese and Duane Trucks likely can rise to that level. Widespread Panic is sounding great and I well remember Reese with Stevie Ray Vaughn and was aware from 1970 when I first saw the ABB that Reese was the Peter Best of sorts of the Allman Brothers. Reese got bumped not because of his playing, but because they decided they needed Gregg to come in and do most of the singing. A couple of my buddies who were musicians back then saw a show or two when Duane's then unnamed band played at Second Coming shows. They indicated Dickey was singing a couple of songs, Duane was too and Berry was singing many including Trouble No More. They were blown away with Dickey, Duane, Berry, Butch, Jaimoe and Reese's playing. The chemistry and level of musicianship was very good. But the singing was just okay. Duane didnt impress at all and Dickey and Berry were fine on some songs but not that great on others. When they finally saw them under the ABB name at the park with Gregg singing, they then were really something. Likely to break out and be a big touring band. I'm a big fan of Gregg's organ playing but one of the guys I'm talking about felt Reese was better. But Gregg's singing made a huge difference in the quality of many of the songs.

I hope people will get behind Warren, Derek, Otiel, Jaimoe, Marc and Chuck etc to do a tribute show at the Fox in Atlanta or Beacon or somewhere for Dickey Betts while he is still living. You could have Allman Betts Band do a few songs and have people such as Jack Pearson and others who played with Dickey.

But this group called The Brothers playing at MSG in March could nail all of Dickey's songs such as Jessica, Blue Sky, Liz Reed, Seven Turns, Southbound etc. I mean nail them. Dickey would be the guest of honor and it would be his night. No need for Dickey to play.

[Edited on 1/8/2020 by blackey]


jparadise - 1/8/2020 at 05:24 PM

Unbelievable haha....I really hope that blackey is just trolling everyone with this nonsense. If that's in fact the case, my hat's off to him......funniest/longest/most dedicated troll job I've ever seen. Bravo.


blackey - 1/8/2020 at 05:28 PM

This is how they should play Southbound at MSG. This is live from 1973 and it's starts like the album but keeps building and building and by Chuck's solo they are REALLY SMOKING!!! Jaimoe and Larmar showing why Chuck bonded with them. Well all 6 are smoking by halfway through. It is such a joy to hear a group of musicians play in this level. I bet MSG in March will be like this.

If you play this, play it loud and listen to them burn and leave a trail of smoke on the stage.

https://youtu.be/gekvzbk4SRM

[Edited on 1/8/2020 by blackey]


Jonesy - 1/8/2020 at 05:31 PM

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Unbelievable haha....I really hope that blackey is just trolling everyone with this nonsense. If that's in fact the case, my hat's off to him......funniest/longest/most dedicated troll job I've ever seen. Bravo.


Blackey is not a troll. But he is passionate, I will say that. Lot's to read here, but dissecting this, I agree with 2 things: This concert is a great idea, and if Derek and Warren are in the middle of it, what can be bad?

It would also be deserved to honor Dickey Betts, and not just for his contributions to the Allman Brothers but rather his contributions to music. His resume of writing, playing and involvement with other artists is worthy of legend status. I would hope someone is inspired to put this together, just don't know who


dadof2 - 1/8/2020 at 05:54 PM

I agree that Blackey is no troll.
He tends to repeat stuff over and over-a bit obsessive but not by any means a troll.
Seems like a good guy who is deeply devoted to the band.


blackey - 1/8/2020 at 06:06 PM

I'm 73 years old. First saw the ABB in January 1970. I'm not even sure what a troll is in the world of the internet.

As one who worships at the alter of the original lineup I must say that live version of Southbound I linked above is the hottest live version of Southbound I've I've ever heard. I doubt the original lineup or any lineup of the ABB could have played it hotter. It's like a rocket launch. Starts out just a touch slow but man are they just flat out burning by Chuck's solo. It is such a trill to hear a band smoke it at that level. Play it loud!

My hat is off to Gregg, Dickey, Chuck, Lamar, Jaimoe and Butch. You guys were flat smoking on this.

[Edited on 1/8/2020 by blackey]


absnj - 1/8/2020 at 06:07 PM

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Okay when Warren Haynes is singing Blue Sky and adding clear Dickey licks to some of his Blue Sky or Jessica solo, maybe he isn't "pretending" to be Dickey but I guarantee you he is thinking about Dickey. And Gregg when he sings Statesboro Blues ABB style and Derek thinks about Duane Allman every time he playes slide on Statesboro Blues. Everytime.

He definitely isn't pretending to be anyone; he's playing songs he's played hundreds of times. And this is not how good musicians make music. When these guys are playing, they're in the moment, listening to each other and reacting to what the others are playing and what they're feeling. If you're thinking consciously about something while playing, the thing that happens most is that you screw up. They don't need to think about these guys to play like them. They spent I don't know how many hours listening to them or playing with them. It's instinct. They sometimes talk about adding a particular person's flavor to what they're doing, but once you've practiced that, it's not something you have to stop and think about. They talk about this stuff all the time in interviews.


I doubt Gregg was pretending to be Taj Mahal or Blind Willie McTell when he sang Statesboro or Elmore James when he sang One Way Out.

But I also admire Blackey for his passion... I don't think there any many other fans as engaged in the Allman's as he is.


absnj - 1/8/2020 at 06:17 PM

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What is wrong with me?

I'm not a doctor, but somebody's doing a very nice thing for you and you're slagging on the band...


I don't think Blackey is" slagging" on the band, at least I am not perceiving his post that way. He is very
passionate about the original lineup and he has the right to his opinion. I read nothing disparaging in it.

Describing the players as "pretending" to be other musicians is pretty insulting, especially when you're talking about guys who filled these roles in this band for 10 or 20 years and who have always been very vocal about their love and respect for the band's entire history. Everybody here loves the original version of the band and 99% of everybody here thinks it's the best, but it's not a contest with any other lineup.
quote:
Is this 50th anniversary "Brother" driven, formulated by the last lineup or did the industry look at this as a opportunity and present it to them?

Who cares? If they didn't think it was right they wouldn't be doing it, and their comments say they think it's a meaningful tribute.


When you flash dollar signs in front of someone who knows what they think,decide or say? Ask the Robinson brothers.

[Edited on 1/8/2020 by jszfunk]


I am sure LiveNation threw a lot of money at the band to do this show. Previously, Derek repeatedly expressed a lot of reservations about any form of an Allman's reunion. But if I were in their shoes, I am sure the offer would be very hard to resist.

Don't think musicians are any different from the rest of us about doing what's "right" when someone throws a lot of money at them. And in many cases, their management makes these types of decisions for them.

Years ago, when Vinsanity and his rich uncle produced a DTB benefit show, it turned out the beneficiary was a parent organization in one of the richest counties in the country, which was raising money to install artificial grass in some of their playing fields. They did this to avoid state caps on school spending. The members of the DTB had no clue about this, they just showed up to play a gig.


redhouse1969 - 1/8/2020 at 07:42 PM

An awful lot of rants/reactions to a show we have absolutely no control over.

Dickey/No Dickey? who's gonna sing what? Who deserves to be there or not? Shut up!

For those fortunate enough to go, please have a great time & let us all know afterwards what went down. Regardless of whomever is on stage, I think it is a safe bet that everyone from the original 6 are going to be honored in a righteous manner.


porkchopbob - 1/8/2020 at 08:05 PM

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An awful lot of rants/reactions to a show we have absolutely no control over.

Dickey/No Dickey? who's gonna sing what? Who deserves to be there or not? Shut up!

For those fortunate enough to go, please have a great time & let us all know afterwards what went down. Regardless of whomever is on stage, I think it is a safe bet that everyone from the original 6 are going to be honored in a righteous manner.

Exactly. I'm not sure why fans here think they know better than the guys on stage. Go and enjoy it or don't.


stormyrider - 1/8/2020 at 08:20 PM

Should be great. I have a conflict or otherwise would try to make it to NYC for it.

It would be nice if Dickey was included. Warren and Derek both have been in favor of it, I think.

either way, have a blast. I hope it's recorded.


Counselor - 1/8/2020 at 08:45 PM

2 years ago, with the 50th Anniversary looming, I prayed for something like this show to happen. I actually hoped for a short Beacon run - maybe 3 or 4 nights. Nothing, no word for 2 years. Then the Live Nation teases, and the speculation of a Blackbird event which would have been underwhelming to say the least (for me). Now this. MSG in THE City. Finally, it's really going to happen! I'm going to take off work and fly a long way and get gouged on a ticket to be there. The boys are going to bring it hard on 3/10. I think it's going to be a very emotional and magical night.

I like the name The Brothers. As far as I'm concerned, they could call themselves the Allman Brothers Band. I've got no hang-ups about that kind of stuff. The most recent lineup of the ABB embodied the spirit and style of the original founders. They have been nothing but reverent. They have held themselves to the highest standards from all my experiences with them. The founders created an innovative, one-of-a-kind fusion band sound that has endured for many decades despite who was sitting in what chair. What luck to have Derek step in when Jack had to step away. What luck to have Warren come home to be the defacto bandleader. Forever grateful.

I don't recall who once drew the analogy to the Count Basie Orchestra, but boy that really nailed it. Count's been gone for over 30 years, the players have obviously changed many times since the 30's when he put the original band together, but they are still out there today as the Count Basie Orchestra and they are just excellent. They've got the sound, style, and swing. It's the Basie Way, as they call it. And they honor the man by still calling themselves "his" orchestra long after he's gone. That's the way I see it.

Is it March yet?! I can barely sit still I am so excited!







dadof2 - 1/8/2020 at 09:03 PM

1989-2014
Us older,long time fans benefitted and loved these
added years-an unexpected and long encore of sorts.
Newer fans had a chance to live the ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND!
Without Warren and Derek,throughout most of those years,all the fans
who loved those encores would likely not have had an ABB.
We trusted those years and the music to Warren and Derek.
Can’t go wrong by trusting them to do the best music now.
No,without Gregg,it’s not the Allman Brothers.
But it’s pretty darn great musicians out there to do the music in the most competent,respectful and righteous ways.
They’ve earned that right.


Fretsman - 1/8/2020 at 09:09 PM

I edited out my Debbie Downer/Negative Nancy thoughts. Grab a smile however you can.










[Edited on 1/9/2020 by Fretsman]


Lee - 1/8/2020 at 10:58 PM

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Okay when Warren Haynes is singing Blue Sky and adding clear Dickey licks to some of his Blue Sky or Jessica solo, maybe he isn't "pretending" to be Dickey but I guarantee you he is thinking about Dickey. And Gregg when he sings Statesboro Blues ABB style and Derek thinks about Duane Allman every time he playes slide on Statesboro Blues. Everytime.


So you are capable of guaranteeing what someone is thinking? Is it just what Warren and Derek are thinking that you can guarantee or can you guarantee what other people are thinking as well? Because if you can teach me this skill I would like to learn it. Would probably cut down on a lot of arguments with my wife. lol.

Goodness, you are entertaining. I'll give you that. What do you think the sales might be of a copy of this thread?

Heh Heh...

[Edited on 1/8/2020 by Lee]


blackey - 1/9/2020 at 02:23 AM

Of course Warren thinks about Dickey when he sings and plays Blue Sky in the Allman Brothers Band. Warren is singing instead of the person in The Allman Brothers who sang it on the record, wrote the song and played lead guitar on the second solo. After Dickey wasn't in the band everytime I heard Warten play Dickey's solos on Blue Sky and Jessica, Warren would tip his hat to Dickey by adding a few Dickey licks to his solo to make it clear he is thinking about Dickey. Likewise when Derek or Warren open Statesboro Blues using the Allman Brothers arrangement, how it sounds on Fillmore East, Derek or Warren or when it was Jack Pearson, HAVE to be thinking about Duane originating those familiar slide licks on the opening of Statesboro Blues. They know they are recreating what Duane Allman originally did just like Harvey Beergut singing Heartbreak Hotel in a bar with a Karaoke machine will be thinking about Elvis Presley.

I don't know if Gregg thought about Blind Willie McTell everytime he sang Statesboro Blues because the ABB had their own arrangement. He may have thought about Taj Mahal.

But when you are in The Rolling Stones and you are singing Honky Tonk Women because Mick Jagger can't make the gig or is no longer in the band, you are going to think about Mick.

That is why Butch wanted the band to stop playing Dickey's songs. He was pissed so badly at Dickey he didnt want to think about Dickey and Butch would the moment they began playing Jessica.


blackey - 1/9/2020 at 02:53 AM

Hope they play Southbound as good as this.

https://youtu.be/gekvzbk4SRM

This is the hottest live version of Southbound I've heard. It SMOKES!!!


Skydog32103 - 1/9/2020 at 03:47 AM

quote:
Of course Warren thinks about Dickey when he sings and plays Blue Sky in the Allman Brothers Band. Warren is singing instead of the person in The Allman Brothers who sang it on the record, wrote the song and played lead guitar on the second solo. After Dickey wasn't in the band everytime I heard Warten play Dickey's solos on Blue Sky and Jessica, Warren would tip his hat to Dickey by adding a few Dickey licks to his solo to make it clear he is thinking about Dickey. Likewise when Derek or Warren open Statesboro Blues using the Allman Brothers arrangement, how it sounds on Fillmore East, Derek or Warren or when it was Jack Pearson, HAVE to be thinking about Duane originating those familiar slide licks on the opening of Statesboro Blues. They know they are recreating what Duane Allman originally did just like Harvey Beergut singing Heartbreak Hotel in a bar with a Karaoke machine will be thinking about Elvis Presley.

I don't know if Gregg thought about Blind Willie McTell everytime he sang Statesboro Blues because the ABB had their own arrangement. He may have thought about Taj Mahal.

But when you are in The Rolling Stones and you are singing Honky Tonk Women because Mick Jagger can't make the gig or is no longer in the band, you are going to think about Mick.

That is why Butch wanted the band to stop playing Dickey's songs. He was pissed so badly at Dickey he didnt want to think about Dickey and Butch would the moment they began playing Jessica.


I think you are looking a bit too much into it. They were Allman Brothers concerts, which means Warren and Derek were supposed to perform the Allman Brothers sound. As brilliant artists, I would bet my bottom dollar that they were never thinking about Dickey and Duane during concerts.


Skydog32103 - 1/9/2020 at 03:50 AM

This is going to be an incredible show, and i can't wait to hear it. I'm still holding out hope to get good seats at the right price later on. The music will be everything we're used to hearing from '99 - '14, and the nostaligic feeling will make it even better. I hope the venue does the art justice. Looking forward to everyone's real time comments who are going. Please post pics and updates as much as possible.


masbama - 1/9/2020 at 04:02 AM

quote:
Hope they play Southbound as good as this.

https://youtu.be/gekvzbk4SRM

This is the hottest live version of Southbound I've heard. It SMOKES!!!


I agree!
Dickey's solo after Chucks is amazing

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by masbama]


blackey - 1/9/2020 at 04:03 AM

Skydog32103. Yes when you are performing the parts of songs created by someone else in the same band, that artist is in the back of your mind. And when Derek and Warren add some licks that are dead Dickey or Duane licks, licks Derek and Warren didn't play when they were playing next to Dickey, they are not only thinking about Dickey, they want you to think about Dickey too. When you hear the Allman Brothers without Dickey play Blue Sky or Jessica, don't you think about Dickey?

I've been listening to Mountain Jam for 50 years and during the melody I think about Donavon. Maybe just a fleeting second I think about Donavon singing the melody I'm hearing. I heard Warren tease Norwegian Wood a few times. Believe the last was a Mule Show, and I thought about the Beatles and I bet Warren did too. How could he possibly tease that song and somewhere in his mind he is thinking... Beatles?

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by blackey]


rationalrebel - 1/9/2020 at 04:05 AM

Man, when did this site get so .....whatever the hell yall are talking about...
I hope those of you going to this concert of great musicians on March 10th in NYC are as excited as I am. Being it's midtown and not up near 74th, we're still hoping to catch up with some of the good folks from all the years of the past. And to curveball this wacky thread, I curiously wait to hear where everyone ends up on the night before (the 9th) and after the show
We're flying in from Nashville on the 9th it looks like, see yall then.


blackey - 1/9/2020 at 04:21 AM

We are talking Allman Brothers and kind of deep cuts.

Some here apparently are only exposed to just the last 5 to 10 years of the ABB and one album, Hitting The Note. I go back to January 1970 and the first album I bought was Idlewild South. Then Fillmore East, then the first album, then Eat A Peach and on and on. Bought them all.

Maybe some here are actually more Derek and Warren playing together fans than Allman Brothers fans and the band before 2002 is like a different band to you and it's just a coincidence the name is the same.


Stephen - 1/9/2020 at 05:01 AM

All POVs are clearly known by now, why not pivot things toward music
GREAT Southbound alright - it, Jessica, HFalls never did overly hit me live after this era, Chuck’s piano was such a big part of it

I won’t be there so take it w/a grain of salt
.....but hopefully they’ll touch on each era - a quick COIMyKitchen>Old Friend acoustic set for instance - mayb Warren could improv his Nobody Knows solo into a jam along the way, it’s my favorite ABB studio song ever - I thought Oteil sang 7 Turns really well, maybe he could Just Ain’t Easy as an ode to that era - a fine mention of Mr. Allen Woody would be so good.....of course the possibilities are endless

You know there will be an appreciable nod along the way to the O-6 - heck the band always had their images up there in the background during NOLTRunWith at the Beacon

It’s all about the love for The Allman Brothers Band

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by Stephen]


JimSheridan - 1/9/2020 at 05:10 AM

.....and the bottom line is that Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes love the Allman Brothers music so much that they learned it to a depth that no one on this website ever did. They got recognized by Gregg Allman and Dickey Betts and Butch Trucks and Jaimoe as guitarists who should be in the Allman Brothers.

Thus, they are the right guys to lead a tribute to the Allman Brothers. Obviously.

The clear fact that they know that they are not THE Allman Brothers is broadcasted by the clear fact that they are not billing themselves as The Allman Brothers. People who can read English can see this.

We are left with the fact that an evening of tribute to the music of the Allman Brothers is being led by the exact right people who should lead an evening of tribute to the music of the Allman Brothers.


Lee - 1/9/2020 at 11:06 AM

quote:
.....and the bottom line is that Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes love the Allman Brothers music so much that they learned it to a depth that no one on this website ever did. They got recognized by Gregg Allman and Dickey Betts and Butch Trucks and Jaimoe as guitarists who should be in the Allman Brothers.

Thus, they are the right guys to lead a tribute to the Allman Brothers. Obviously.

The clear fact that they know that they are not THE Allman Brothers is broadcasted by the clear fact that they are not billing themselves as The Allman Brothers. People who can read English can see this.

We are left with the fact that an evening of tribute to the music of the Allman Brothers is being led by the exact right people who should lead an evening of tribute to the music of the Allman Brothers.



Well stated Jim. As someone else mentioned The Dead did pretty much the same thing name-wise after Jerry's passing, no?

If I can afford it I will go. And regarding the prices, I don't think they are all that bad. We have to consider that this is in New York and there are a lot of musicians that have to get paid, right? And I would assume their travel and accommodations need to be covered as well. That can't be cheap.

The thing about the prices that does get me though are the fees. I looked up a few tickets and one of them had fees of almost $60! For an Eticket. My God I live in Chicago and could see two or three shows for the "convenience" charges alone.

Oh well. Still might try to swing it.

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by Lee]


Agerst1574 - 1/9/2020 at 11:20 AM

quote:
quote:
.....and the bottom line is that Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes love the Allman Brothers music so much that they learned it to a depth that no one on this website ever did. They got recognized by Gregg Allman and Dickey Betts and Butch Trucks and Jaimoe as guitarists who should be in the Allman Brothers.

Thus, they are the right guys to lead a tribute to the Allman Brothers. Obviously.

The clear fact that they know that they are not THE Allman Brothers is broadcasted by the clear fact that they are not billing themselves as The Allman Brothers. People who can read English can see this.

We are left with the fact that an evening of tribute to the music of the Allman Brothers is being led by the exact right people who should lead an evening of tribute to the music of the Allman Brothers.



Well stated Jim. As someone else mentioned The Dead did pretty much the same thing name-wise after Jerry's passing, no?

If I can afford it I will go. And regarding the prices, I don't think they are all that bad. We have to consider that this is in New York and there are a lot of musicians that have to get paid, right? And I would assume their travel and accommodations need to be covered as well. That can't be cheap.

The thing about the prices that does get me though are the fees. I looked up a few tickets and one of them had fees of almost $60! For an Eticket. My God I live in Chicago and could see two or three shows for the "convenience" charges alone.

Oh well. Still might try to swing it.

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by Lee]


Hopefully you can make it Lee. There are cheap flight prices to NYC from Chicago. If fact, I am sitting at LaGuardia right now waiting for my flight to Chicago to catch Buddy Guy and Kingfish at Buddy Guy’s Legends the next couple of nights.

Regarding this debate about who is an Allman Brother and who is not, it is much ado about nothing. I think the original band was probably the best version but I was a little too young to have seen them. My first show was 1979 at the Capitol, which I just viewed on YouTube the other day when I was at the gym. Pretty much saw every tour when they performed in NYC since then.

Warren and Derek were key members to me as was Chuck Levall. I am excited about the tribute and will attempt to upgrade my seat as the show approaches, So Lee if you make it and are looking for a cheap ticket, drop me a line.


Skydog32103 - 1/9/2020 at 01:04 PM

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Skydog32103. Yes when you are performing the parts of songs created by someone else in the same band, that artist is in the back of your mind. And when Derek and Warren add some licks that are dead Dickey or Duane licks, licks Derek and Warren didn't play when they were playing next to Dickey, they are not only thinking about Dickey, they want you to think about Dickey too. When you hear the Allman Brothers without Dickey play Blue Sky or Jessica, don't you think about Dickey?


No, not really. When I saw them 50 times between '99 and '14, I would zero in on Derek's unique sound and playing style (playing solos like that without a pick has always blew my mind), and Warren's unique sound, and I'd follow their new licks over the years. I very rarely thought of Duane and Dickey, no matter the tune, so we all experience it differently is my point. If you mean that YOU think about those artists when you hear the recent lineup, that's cool by me brother. I would describe it as Warren and Derek offering their interpretation of Duane and Dickey's work. I always thought they avoided trying to sound like Duane and Dickey as much as possible, which I respected.


porkchopbob - 1/9/2020 at 02:04 PM

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Skydog32103. Yes when you are performing the parts of songs created by someone else in the same band, that artist is in the back of your mind.

I've played a lot of this music in bands over the years, and if you're thinking at all, you're not going to play well. The greats clear their minds and let the music flow.

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by porkchopbob]


fanfrom-71 - 1/9/2020 at 02:39 PM

What is really krazy is that brother Dickey has said the Haynes /Woody lineup was the best since the "Fillmore" days, and that Derek plays his best slide when he plays slide like Duane. Go figure.

But that's just that guys opinion....

Hope everyone who attends the show has a blast.


dadof2 - 1/9/2020 at 02:40 PM

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quote:
Skydog32103. Yes when you are performing the parts of songs created by someone else in the same band, that artist is in the back of your mind.

I've played a lot of this music in bands over the years, and if you're thinking at all, you're not going to play well. The greats clear their minds and let the music flow.

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by porkchopbob]


I have no clue what anyone is thinking when they play guitar.
To base what I believe are their thoughts based on my thoughts is absurd.
Just because I think a certain way doesn’t guarantee that someone else is thinking the same way.
I tend to just focus on what I’m doing when I play and when I get into it and it’s working(rarely) I just let it flow-I’m too absorbed to be thinking anything.
To suggest that Warren and Derek are thinking of....anything that we can guess...is nuts. Blackey,you seem nice enough but,How the heck do you know what they are thinking? Mind meld? Do you read minds?
Nutty.
Just stop this craziness and enjoy the music.
And no,I am not new to the Allmans-got on the bus in ‘71-but nonetheless I’m grateful to Warren and Derek and all they’ve done to keep the music alive.


porkchopbob - 1/9/2020 at 03:11 PM

The MSG presale seems to be moving right along, FYI


Marley - 1/9/2020 at 03:20 PM

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Skydog32103. Yes when you are performing the parts of songs created by someone else in the same band, that artist is in the back of your mind.

I've played a lot of this music in bands over the years, and if you're thinking at all, you're not going to play well. The greats clear their minds and let the music flow.

I used to think this, too, but there are so many interviews where these musicians - and pretty much every musician ever - has explained this. I might think about Duane or Butch or Derek when I'm listening to these songs, but that's not how it works when you're playing them onstage. When you're onstage, you're listening to the people you're playing with and that's pretty much it. That's the only thing that works.

quote:
Some here apparently are only exposed to just the last 5 to 10 years of the ABB and one album, Hitting The Note.

I doubt that's true of one single person here. If you're an Allman Brothers fan and you're on this site - especially now, with the band over for years - chances are 99.99% or more that you've heard things from all eras of the band, especially the Duane era. That's almost everyone's favorite. Everyone agrees you're a big fan and you're welcome to your own opinions, but this is getting sillier by the minute.


BostonBrothersFan - 1/9/2020 at 03:26 PM

I just want to say how disappointed I am with the band for not offering fan presales and not allocating any floor seats to the presales they do have (with the exception of the front row and platinum packages). I only want 1 seat damnit.


tumbleweed - 1/9/2020 at 03:43 PM

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The MSG presale seems to be moving right along, FYI


Surprised and disappointed how little / few tickets were made available today for this round of pre sales. Starting to think my over priced purchases of Tuesday were a good thing ......


hgc - 1/9/2020 at 04:16 PM

Whoops, I posted my first reply in the wrong thread(it has been awhile since I have been here) Any way I will be there and will have a GREAT time as I have had every time I have seen the ABB in every incarnation since 1971. The original lineup was so special because they were a fusion band of jazz, blues, country, swing et all with rock instruments. The first time I saw them was before LATFE had come out. There was a Confederate flag hung in front of the B3 and then this muscular man with a huge Afro came out and sat on the drum kit behind it. I was only 17 but I thought to myself " this is going to be different" and OMG they brought the house down.
So just be thankful that we can hear it live one more time. And if you see the old guy with his 2001 twin towers shirt on say hello.


tbomike - 1/9/2020 at 04:43 PM

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quote:
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Skydog32103. Yes when you are performing the parts of songs created by someone else in the same band, that artist is in the back of your mind.

I've played a lot of this music in bands over the years, and if you're thinking at all, you're not going to play well. The greats clear their minds and let the music flow.

I used to think this, too, but there are so many interviews where these musicians - and pretty much every musician ever - has explained this. I might think about Duane or Butch or Derek when I'm listening to these songs, but that's not how it works when you're playing them onstage. When you're onstage, you're listening to the people you're playing with and that's pretty much it. That's the only thing that works.

quote:
Some here apparently are only exposed to just the last 5 to 10 years of the ABB and one album, Hitting The Note.

I doubt that's true of one single person here. If you're an Allman Brothers fan and you're on this site - especially now, with the band over for years - chances are 99.99% or more that you've heard things from all eras of the band, especially the Duane era. That's almost everyone's favorite. Everyone agrees you're a big fan and you're welcome to your own opinions, but this is getting sillier by the minute.



Both my 2 oldest brothers saw Duane era multiple times. Neither of them feel the way that poster does and my oldest brother absolutely loves the Warren Derek lineup as much as any era. This fantasy about one guy thinking he speaks for everyone who saw the originals is just that, a fantasy.


blackey - 1/9/2020 at 04:58 PM

When the 1989 to 1997 lineup played Soulshine I just know Gregg and Dickey were aware they were playing a Warren Haynes song. Warren was in the back of their mind.

But I get what many are saying. We should be happy the band is playing one more show.

I imagine the guys will try hard to bring their A games to this.

But we also need to remember this is not really the Allman Brothers Band. They are not even calling it The Allman Brothers. Probably because Duane and now Gregg too is gone. Just as The Dead didn't want to use the official name of their band after Jerry died.

It's going to be very noticeable not hearing Gregg sing the songs he always sung. If I were them I would go heavy on instrumental songs. Open with a 30 minute Mountain Jam then sequel into Statesboro and let Warren sing that then Blue Sky with Warren or Chuck singing and move to a long Elizabeth Reed. By then we would be way over an hour in, maybe two, and the guys on the stage will have all of us in the zone because they can PLAY this music we love REAL GOOD. The singing may be what is distracting from the vibe. When Warren sings Same Thing and Hoochie Coochie it WILL sound right and probably Soulshine. Chuck can sing Ramblin Man. Otiel sings Seven Turns and Marc sings Gregg's lead on that and maybe Duane Trucks sings Dimples then we have a 3 hour show and everyone is way happy and twirling and what they do to get to the 4 hour mark will be icing on the cake.

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by blackey]

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by blackey]


porkchopbob - 1/9/2020 at 05:03 PM

quote:
But we also need to remember this is not really the Allman Brothers Band. They are not even calling it The Allman Brothers. Probably because Duane and now Gregg too is gone. Just as The Dead didn't want to use the official name of their band after Jerry died.

It's going to be very noticeable not hearing Gregg sing the songs he always sung. If I were them I would go heavy on instrumental songs. Open with a 30 minute Mountain Jam then sequel into Statesboro and let Warren sing that then Blue Sky with Warren or Chuck singing and move to a long Elizabeth Reed. By then we would be way over an hour in, maybe two, and the guys on the stage will have all of us in the zone because they can PLAY this music we love REAL GOOD. The singing may be what is distracting from the vibe. When Warren sings Same Thing and Hoochie Coochie it WILL sound right and probably Soulshine. Chuck can sing Ramblin Man. Otiel sings Seven Turns and Marc sings Gregg's lead on that and maybe Duane Trucks sings Dinoles then we have a 3 hour show and everyone is way happy and twirling and what they di to get to the 4 hour mark will be icing on the cake.

No one is mistaking this for the Allman Brothers Band. I appreciate your passion for the band, but you're not a member of the band, stop thinking you know better than the guys on stage (or anyone else here). These guys have this show covered, I'm sure.


blackey - 1/9/2020 at 05:11 PM

You never know. Warren may notice our suggestions and think some are good ideas and others are "I'm glad that guy isn't running this show."

Warren said there are so many songs that should be played and we can't play them all. And he said they are still trying to figure out who sings what.

Open with Whipping Post and just play like hell for 30 or 40 minutes then the rest is a piece of cake no matter who sings what.


jszfunk - 1/9/2020 at 05:15 PM

quote:
All POVs are clearly known by now, why not pivot things toward music
GREAT Southbound alright - it, Jessica, HFalls never did overly hit me live after this era, Chuck’s piano was such a big part of it

I won’t be there so take it w/a grain of salt
.....but hopefully they’ll touch on each era - a quick COIMyKitchen>Old Friend acoustic set for instance - mayb Warren could improv his Nobody Knows solo into a jam along the way, it’s my favorite ABB studio song ever - I thought Oteil sang 7 Turns really well, maybe he could Just Ain’t Easy as an ode to that era - a fine mention of Mr. Allen Woody would be so good.....of course the possibilities are endless

You know there will be an appreciable nod along the way to the O-6 - heck the band always had their images up there in the background during NOLTRunWith at the Beacon

It’s all about the love for The Allman Brothers Band

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by Stephen]



Good post. I have been thinking how all of this will play out with setlist and etc. It will be interesting to see and fun to speculate what will happen. So many scenarios. I would expect to see a long show 1st and 2nd set , 3 plus hours. It looks like Warren will be handling most of the vocal duties given that there will be really no special guest besides Chuck. By the way I hope he gets featured a lot. Would love to hear him tear it up.


Nobody Knows is such a powerhouse of a song. It would be cool if they did something with that. I am sure they will touch on all eras of the band and some of the popular covers they would do maybe? Not sure of the Arista years though. I like the fact, from what it appears, that they are going to keep it to the core lineup announced. But for some reason it would not surprise me if someone special drops in who has a strong connection to the band. I just see it more as a vocalist. No doubt Warren can handle it though.

Could this spark something else? A future "The Brothers" tour or one off gigs at festivals and such?
The Haynes Trucks band? Either way the music will live on for sure with the different family bands.

Speaking of family bands. Don't mean to take a left turn here,
but I hope to see the Allman Betts Band take off. I really think there is some potential there, given some time and seasoning, that could be a strong unit. I like their original material and they blend it with some covers and the ABB stuff makes for a strong set. Johnny Stachela is a killer player.
Duane is really blossoming as an artist I feel with his playing and song writing. Nothing wrong with having another Betts around! I will take that anyday.


Speaking of Nobody Knows
Allman Brothers Band - Nobody Knows Live @ Springfield, MA 3/2/92!
https://youtu.be/ID6lIKJe9Lw?list=PLGEFHFOnMrmazyQGG-IDbOu3cUOBmcVeT
I always enjoyed hearing a young Warren Haynes blazing away and feeling his way through this material and band. A lot of fire for sure. Not that he is lacking anything now by any means, but when someone is young, new, raw so to speak, fire stoked high, there seems to be a little more of an intense urgency to their playing. The clip above , he is killing it.

Another couple of examples of Warren.
Dreams-Play All Night
https://youtu.be/0_b6IkbZSsc?list=PL7NOKIKHL9RArzragv2HajWnGtJyyIu9P
When I first heard that when it came out, not that I was surprised, but his solo and playing KILLED it on that one. Amazing Stuff.


Blue Sky-Evening With
https://youtu.be/nVhgf1GgBCg
That version of Blue Sky is great! I know others have mixed feelings about it, but I dig it. That has probably one of my favorite Warren solos and slide playing. He kicks it in with the slide at 3:35 till 5:03 and just soars. Mostly when he really starts to dig it at 4:14 and he hits these licks at the 4:55-4:59 mark...it gives me chills every time. Move over folks ,Warren has got this one!
I like Dickeys rhythm playing behind Warrens lead work on Blue Sky from Evening With also. Just drives.


jszfunk - 1/9/2020 at 05:27 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
But we also need to remember this is not really the Allman Brothers Band. They are not even calling it The Allman Brothers. Probably because Duane and now Gregg too is gone. Just as The Dead didn't want to use the official name of their band after Jerry died.

It's going to be very noticeable not hearing Gregg sing the songs he always sung. If I were them I would go heavy on instrumental songs. Open with a 30 minute Mountain Jam then sequel into Statesboro and let Warren sing that then Blue Sky with Warren or Chuck singing and move to a long Elizabeth Reed. By then we would be way over an hour in, maybe two, and the guys on the stage will have all of us in the zone because they can PLAY this music we love REAL GOOD. The singing may be what is distracting from the vibe. When Warren sings Same Thing and Hoochie Coochie it WILL sound right and probably Soulshine. Chuck can sing Ramblin Man. Otiel sings Seven Turns and Marc sings Gregg's lead on that and maybe Duane Trucks sings Dinoles then we have a 3 hour show and everyone is way happy and twirling and what they di to get to the 4 hour mark will be icing on the cake.

No one is mistaking this for the Allman Brothers Band. I appreciate your passion for the band, but you're not a member of the band, stop thinking you know better than the guys on stage (or anyone else here). These guys have this show covered, I'm sure.


. And none of us really know what we’re talking about...conjectures,opinions,points of view...all with great passion!



What ?!?! I always know what I am talking about!!!
NOT!!!!

I vote for Hot 'Lanta as the opener.
https://youtu.be/EcAj3gZVqWo


Jonesy - 1/9/2020 at 05:32 PM

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Could this spark something else? A future "The Brothers" tour or one off gigs at festivals and such?
The Haynes Trucks band? Either way the music will live on for sure with the different family bands.

Speaking of family bands. Don't mean to take a left turn here,
but I hope to see the Allman Betts Band take off. I really think there is some potential there, given some time and seasoning, that could be a strong unit. I like their original material and they blend it with some covers and the ABB stuff makes for a strong set. Johnny Stachela is a killer player.
Duane is really blossoming as an artist I feel with his playing and song writing. Nothing wrong with having another Betts around! I will take that anyday.


I doubt this will turn into a similar road that the Dead took with Dead and Company. I just don't think there is anywhere near the same thirst, demand or following of the Allman Brothers. Haynes and Trucks can collaborate at anytime if they wanted to, can't see that happening other than sit ins etc. which has happened.

The Allman Betts Band will be interesting to see how/if they develop from here. They seem to bet getting better and better, and have a strong musical unit. As mentioned, Johnny Stachela can play, as can John Ginty on the keyboards/organ. I don't know much about their drumming, but Duane Betts seems to be finding a solid, confident groove. I can't tell about Devon other than he carries spirit and passion to the legacy and to his playing--- There seems to be a natural curiosity to these guys and understandably so. They are touring a lot so we'll see what kind of following they can build;

By the way this "Brothers" event is all good. We know we will get top musicianship from artists who have paid their dues and reverence to the band we all dig


Stephen - 1/9/2020 at 05:51 PM

X2 jszfunk (thanks too - keen to check out those clips ), they opened w/Hot Lanta Aug 2004 Meadowbrook, kicking off a slamming show - blackey, the night after this show, they opened w/Mtn Jam, the one you mentioned, at Tweeter Ctr Mass. - then closed it w/the last part of Mtn Jam by way of Afro Blue - it’s my favorite IL, & was also glad to find a good audience recording of the Meadowbrook show, which I attended

March 10 will be a special night, ups to the guys for honoring the ABB

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by Stephen]


yankweed1 - 1/9/2020 at 06:32 PM

This comment is in no way a wrap on Gregg. but i recall a few Wanees back when gregg got hurt and didnt play that night, and it was still an Allman brothers night... As they say in football you take waht the defense gives you!!!!! ITS A NIGHT OF GOOD VIBES AND GREAT MUSIC.. ... drop the mic........


blackey - 1/9/2020 at 06:34 PM

jszfunk. I bought that album in 1992 when it came out. "Ii you don't hear what you wanna hear then that's tuff". That was a strange thing Dickey said at the beginning.

Yes Dickey was an excellent rhythm guitar player. He and Duane Allman really backed up each other so well in the beginning. And Berry Oakley would too. Butch said when Oakley did that he had to stay home and keep the time signature so it was a bit confining for him with Berry doing that so much.

When I first played Blue Sky from An Evening With, I thought Warren was going to play lead guitar but as you pointed out he switches ti slide.


Marley - 1/9/2020 at 06:42 PM

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When the 1989 to 1997 lineup played Soulshine I just know Gregg and Dickey were aware they were playing a Warren Haynes song. Warren was in the back of their mind.

He was next to them onstage!
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But we also need to remember this is not really the Allman Brothers Band. They are not even calling it The Allman Brothers.

Nobody needs a reminder. We all understand this; like you said, they're not calling it the Allman Brothers to begin with. It would be a bad look if they were trying to deceive anyone, but they're not and really couldn't if they tried.

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Could this spark something else? A future "The Brothers" tour or one off gigs at festivals and such?
The Haynes Trucks band? Either way the music will live on for sure with the different family bands.

Life is long, but it doesn't look that way right now since the players are being emphatic that this is a one-time thing. Warren is always doing a bunch of things. Derek doesn't seem to want to do anything beyond Tedeschi Trucks, which was one reason he said he was leaving the ABB in 2014.

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I doubt this will turn into a similar road that the Dead took with Dead and Company. I just don't think there is anywhere near the same thirst, demand or following of the Allman Brothers. Haynes and Trucks can collaborate at anytime if they wanted to, can't see that happening other than sit ins etc. which has happened.


There are people who'd be glad to see that, but it's a smaller portion of a smaller fanbase. And the Dead have four of the core members of that band and Dead & Co. still has three. The only original ABB member onstage at this is going to be Jaimoe and that does mean that the band onstage will be less similar to the ABB of the 70's.


Jonesy - 1/9/2020 at 06:52 PM

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I doubt this will turn into a similar road that the Dead took with Dead and Company. I just don't think there is anywhere near the same thirst, demand or following of the Allman Brothers. Haynes and Trucks can collaborate at anytime if they wanted to, can't see that happening other than sit ins etc. which has happened.


There are people who'd be glad to see that, but it's a smaller portion of a smaller fanbase. And the Dead have four of the core members of that band and Dead & Co. still has three. The only original ABB member onstage at this is going to be Jaimoe and that does mean that the band onstage will be less similar to the ABB of the 70's.


I'll tell ya I saw Dead and Company in Boulder last summer, they played two nights and sold out Folsom stadium both nights. Very impressive for that group--and by the way the show was absolutely stellar. Oteil, Chimenti and John Mayer really injected life into that group and the fans just keep on coming.


Agerst1574 - 1/9/2020 at 08:01 PM

Ahhhh-so I bought a $99 dollar ticket upstairs during the presale on Tuesday. I checked TM today and saw section 114 which is on the side of the stage toward the rear for $99 and could not resist. Better to sit lower than upstairs. So if anyone wants to get in cheap (willing to take a loss on the ticket), drop me a message.


Lee - 1/9/2020 at 08:29 PM

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.....and the bottom line is that Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes love the Allman Brothers music so much that they learned it to a depth that no one on this website ever did. They got recognized by Gregg Allman and Dickey Betts and Butch Trucks and Jaimoe as guitarists who should be in the Allman Brothers.

Thus, they are the right guys to lead a tribute to the Allman Brothers. Obviously.

The clear fact that they know that they are not THE Allman Brothers is broadcasted by the clear fact that they are not billing themselves as The Allman Brothers. People who can read English can see this.

We are left with the fact that an evening of tribute to the music of the Allman Brothers is being led by the exact right people who should lead an evening of tribute to the music of the Allman Brothers.



Well stated Jim. As someone else mentioned The Dead did pretty much the same thing name-wise after Jerry's passing, no?

If I can afford it I will go. And regarding the prices, I don't think they are all that bad. We have to consider that this is in New York and there are a lot of musicians that have to get paid, right? And I would assume their travel and accommodations need to be covered as well. That can't be cheap.

The thing about the prices that does get me though are the fees. I looked up a few tickets and one of them had fees of almost $60! For an Eticket. My God I live in Chicago and could see two or three shows for the "convenience" charges alone.

Oh well. Still might try to swing it.

[Edited on 1/9/2020 by Lee]


Hopefully you can make it Lee. There are cheap flight prices to NYC from Chicago. If fact, I am sitting at LaGuardia right now waiting for my flight to Chicago to catch Buddy Guy and Kingfish at Buddy Guy’s Legends the next couple of nights.

Regarding this debate about who is an Allman Brother and who is not, it is much ado about nothing. I think the original band was probably the best version but I was a little too young to have seen them. My first show was 1979 at the Capitol, which I just viewed on YouTube the other day when I was at the gym. Pretty much saw every tour when they performed in NYC since then.

Warren and Derek were key members to me as was Chuck Levall. I am excited about the tribute and will attempt to upgrade my seat as the show approaches, So Lee if you make it and are looking for a cheap ticket, drop me a line.


Will let you know if I can swing it. Flights between O Hare and LaGuardia are cheap; only $176. Have fun at Legends. Both nights are sold out and have been for a while. I guess because of Kingfish.

Sorry for the interruption of the show discussion.


WarEagleRK - 1/9/2020 at 09:09 PM

Going by Derek's quote of...

" I'm excited to get to play these songs with Jaimoe and the Brothers one last time to celebrate 50 years of this music."

I wouldn't expect any touring out of this, for those who were asking.


blackey - 1/9/2020 at 11:24 PM

I think you are right as far as Derek is concerned. Maybe Warren and Jack but probably not likely.


mustangbob - 1/10/2020 at 01:59 AM

Just booked my flights. This will be sweet. Did a lot of Beacon shows in 06,07,10(United Palace). 11,12 13 and 14 but never been to MSG. I don't care for big venues but hoping this will prove me wrong. Thinking about the vibe before the show. Probably not quite like the Beacon where a majority of folks were hard corp. Still a packed house will generate quite a buzz. Hopefully a place like the Amsterdam Ale House close by.


JimSheridan - 1/10/2020 at 02:16 AM

While MSG is no theater, it has been home to a whole lotta great rock shows. It has vibe.

I have come to find that cool bars near big concerts are packed, packed, packed. Ah well.


EnglishDarren - 1/10/2020 at 09:57 AM

All booked I had a code for Thursday and logged on during the night US time as I am travelling from the UK.No problems with queues etc apart from the price LOL which was excessive.Going to take in the Big House(first visit) on the same trip.


adhill58 - 1/10/2020 at 02:21 PM

The absolute best ABB lineup is the one you can go see at a live show... so in March it will be this one.


They have all been good. To go see them live at any point in their history and spend time complaining that some other version was better is a great way to squander what should be 3 of the best hours of your life.


blackey - 1/10/2020 at 03:23 PM

adhill58. Should this lineup be called The Allman Brothers Band? They chose not to call it the Allman Brothers but maybe they should.


Rubin - 1/10/2020 at 03:53 PM

Hey, when was the ticket release? It's already started? I'm just seeing scattered seats... or is this just the pre-sale I'm seeing?


tbomike - 1/10/2020 at 03:59 PM

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Hey, when was the ticket release? It's already started? I'm just seeing scattered seats... or is this just the pre-sale I'm seeing?


It sold at 10 am. So no not the pre sale anymore.


adhill58 - 1/10/2020 at 06:34 PM

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The absolute best ABB lineup is the one you can go see at a live show... so in March it will be this one.


They have all been good. To go see them live at any point in their history and spend time complaining that some other version was better is a great way to squander what should be 3 of the best hours of your life.

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adhill58. Should this lineup be called The Allman Brothers Band? They chose not to call it the Allman Brothers but maybe they should.



They have decided to not call it the ABB. That works for me. It will still be the best live ABB music you can see anywhere. That was the case with the last lineup. That was the case with Les Brers when that was the only game in town. That was the case for the NYE show a few years ago that was Gov't Mule with Jack Pearson and Chuck Leavell.


Lee - 1/10/2020 at 09:20 PM

As I see the seats that are available, most are side and behind stage. I've been to some concerts where they do the same thing. ZZ Top didn't look at anyone except the fans in front. Bob Seger would go behind stage with his mic and sing toward the folks in back. Springsteen and most of the band will go back at some point which is nice.

I don't know if anyone has thought of this but can you see anyone in an ABB-esque show turning around to play at people not in front of them? I can't even imagine that.


mikesolo - 1/10/2020 at 10:05 PM

I grabbed a single barstool behind the stage. In the house and will hear the tunes and see what I see.


lovelight - 1/11/2020 at 02:17 AM

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The absolute best ABB lineup is the one you can go see at a live show... so in March it will be this one.


They have all been good. To go see them live at any point in their history and spend time complaining that some other version was better is a great way to squander what should be 3 of the best hours of your life.


I love this post! It really made me feel better about the outrageous sum I paid for the show. It will be impossible not to think about Gregg and Dickey and Butch but there will be much joy in the night as well. Well said!


DfBrooks - 1/11/2020 at 03:16 AM

How well is this reunion show selling? I only see decent resale tickets online so I assume it’s nearly sold out.


DfBrooks - 1/11/2020 at 03:21 AM

You all know about the shed tour in August and September? Less expensive tickets.


ag1 - 1/11/2020 at 03:59 AM

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How well is this reunion show selling? I only see decent resale tickets online so I assume it’s nearly sold out.


It has sold very well, but a ton of tickets were bought by scalpers.
Looks like about half of the $50 & $99 tickets are already posted for re sale on TM.


GOODVIBRATIONS - 1/12/2020 at 01:33 PM

4,771 tickets for sale on StubHub this morning.
Every time I put something in my cart during the presale I kept getting the message that another person had already bought the seat, no wonder!


Rubin - 1/12/2020 at 03:37 PM

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4,771 tickets for sale on StubHub this morning.


That's a quarter of the tickets. And then maybe another 2000-3000 re-sale tickets on Ticketmaster. So, all in all, about 40% of the tickets are on the second-hand market? I wish those could have gone to the fans instead.

[Edited on 1/12/2020 by Rubin]


Agerst1574 - 1/12/2020 at 07:37 PM

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4,771 tickets for sale on StubHub this morning.


That's a quarter of the tickets. And then maybe another 2000-3000 re-sale tickets on Ticketmaster. So, all in all, about 40% of the tickets are on the second-hand market? I wish those could have gone to the fans instead.

[Edited on 1/12/2020 by Rubin]


I saw that as well this morning and that is a lot of tickets for resale which means that seats will be going for cheap the night of. I kind of wish I had waited before buying as better seats will be available pretty easily for less than face value..


Rubin - 1/12/2020 at 10:51 PM

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4,771 tickets for sale on StubHub this morning.


That's a quarter of the tickets. And then maybe another 2000-3000 re-sale tickets on Ticketmaster. So, all in all, about 40% of the tickets are on the second-hand market? I wish those could have gone to the fans instead.

[Edited on 1/12/2020 by Rubin]


I saw that as well this morning and that is a lot of tickets for resale which means that seats will be going for cheap the night of. I kind of wish I had waited before buying as better seats will be available pretty easily for less than face value..


Yeah, I just noticed there are tickets going for less than face value already now... Looks like the re-sellers will take a beating on this. Good for the fans, in a roundabout way, but I just wish this whole secondary market could be eliminated - or at least not encouraged and facilitated by the official retailer!


jparadise - 1/13/2020 at 01:00 PM

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4,771 tickets for sale on StubHub this morning.


That's a quarter of the tickets. And then maybe another 2000-3000 re-sale tickets on Ticketmaster. So, all in all, about 40% of the tickets are on the second-hand market? I wish those could have gone to the fans instead.


They will, this is just sadly part of the game now. You just gotta watch the market and wait it out. Scalpers are terrible people.....wait for the right moment to strike and bleed them out.


sully - 1/13/2020 at 03:07 PM

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You all know about the shed tour in August and September? Less expensive tickets.


i don't. can you shed any light? (pun intended)


Marley - 1/13/2020 at 03:49 PM

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You all know about the shed tour in August and September? Less expensive tickets.


i don't. can you shed any light? (pun intended)

He's kidding or BSing or whatevering. They've made it clear this is a one-time thing and we know a couple of them haven't wanted to commit to even a one-off reunion event for the last few years.


ABB1973Mike - 1/13/2020 at 08:03 PM

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4,771 tickets for sale on StubHub this morning.


That's a quarter of the tickets. And then maybe another 2000-3000 re-sale tickets on Ticketmaster. So, all in all, about 40% of the tickets are on the second-hand market? I wish those could have gone to the fans instead.

[Edited on 1/12/2020 by Rubin]


They could have if that had been a priority. Shame that it wasn't, Bruce Springsteen comes to mind as one of the first and most ardent proponents of eticketing. Saw one of his tours where our row 22 tickets were this type. Bottom line is you showed up with a photo ID and the same credit card you used to buy the tickets or your butt was on the sidewalk listening from the outside. TM is getting to be way too big for their pants...

Mike


beezer86 - 1/14/2020 at 02:12 PM

Any confirmation on what guests will be there?


Marley - 1/15/2020 at 02:53 PM

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Any confirmation on what guests will be there?

Other than Chuck they've kind of shot down the idea of guests, but there's also some open speculation whether anyone other than Warren (or Oteil or Chuck, or Marc?) is going to sing. So it's a little bit of a mystery at this point.


Skydog32103 - 1/15/2020 at 03:30 PM

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Other than Chuck they've kind of shot down the idea of guests, but there's also some open speculation whether anyone other than Warren (or Oteil or Chuck, or Marc?) is going to sing. So it's a little bit of a mystery at this point.


It would be a monster of a work load for Warren to sing all of them, so I’m very interested to see how they handle this. Oteil already said they aren’t playing Franklins Tower, so I can’t think of what standard classics he would sing. I wish they’d invite Lamar Williams Jr or Mike Mattison to sing some of the tunes when Warren needs to rest. We’ll see. If anyone can sing and play guitar for 3 plus hours, it’s Warren Haynes.


Marley - 1/15/2020 at 04:41 PM

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Other than Chuck they've kind of shot down the idea of guests, but there's also some open speculation whether anyone other than Warren (or Oteil or Chuck, or Marc?) is going to sing. So it's a little bit of a mystery at this point.


It would be a monster of a work load for Warren to sing all of them, so I’m very interested to see how they handle this. Oteil already said they aren’t playing Franklins Tower, so I can’t think of what standard classics he would sing. I wish they’d invite Lamar Williams Jr or Mike Mattison to sing some of the tunes when Warren needs to rest. We’ll see. If anyone can sing and play guitar for 3 plus hours, it’s Warren Haynes.

I don't know if it's a monster workload - it depends on whether you're picturing this as a 'regular' show that lasts maybe 2 1/2 or 3 hours or a 4-hour marathon. Either way, you figure there will be a set break and maybe 45 minutes of instrumentals if not more. But for now this is an interesting question mark because you could have some unique guests or opportunities if they want to take them. Marc did a cover of Midnight Rider, so why not have him sing that? Chuck could sing Southbound or any cut he plays on. Why not have Oteil sing Statesboro Blues or You Don't Love Me or one of his favorites, It's Not My Cross to Bear? There's no specific reason he would, but why not?


JimSheridan - 1/15/2020 at 06:42 PM

if Warren can do full vocals for a Mule show, which tend to be epic, he can do it for the Bros.

There might be one or two moments where someone will play a solo, so he can catch his breath then.


Holt - 1/15/2020 at 10:11 PM

Somewhere up in this thread someone speculated about a shed tour. I think
that is unlikely. However I don't think you are too far off with this. *This* show is a one off as far as DT is concerned. But. Jack in for DT at another "one off" somewhere at a completely different location in the future seems VERY likely to me.

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I think you are right as far as Derek is concerned. Maybe Warren and Jack but probably not likely.


[Edited on 1/15/2020 by Holt]

[Edited on 1/15/2020 by Holt]


axeman - 1/16/2020 at 01:34 AM

They need to get someone with a killer voice to sing Gregg's songs.

Otiel mentioned Lamar Jr. I haven't heard him but I've heard he's good.


I just don't know who could do Gregg justice.


Zach Brown seems like a reasonable choice.


Having Warren do it just seems to Business As Usual.


adhill58 - 1/16/2020 at 07:22 PM

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They need to get someone with a killer voice to sing Gregg's songs.

Having Warren do it just seems to Business As Usual.




Warren Haynes has a killer voice... has anyone ever been at a Gov't Mule show and said, 'This band would be good if they just had a singer."? "Business as usual" for the ABB is better than anything else out there.


I understand if they bring in someone else because the ABB typically had more than one person who sang lead and Warren may not want it to be "The Warren Haynes Show". Lamar Williams, Jr. is very good.



tbomike - 1/16/2020 at 07:39 PM

Zac Brown? He sucks balls.


adhill58 - 1/16/2020 at 08:28 PM

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Zac Brown? He sucks balls.



No reasonable connection either. Lamar or Jack or Susan are really the only options for additional lead vocalists.


rationalrebel - 1/16/2020 at 10:36 PM

Susan can sing Stand Back as she’s done with the band before
Jack can sing Dimples. He also does Midnight Rider with his own band occasionally
Mike Mattison
Lamar Williams Jr.
Junior Mack has done Ain’t Wastin Time No More with them at the Beacon before
Jimmy Hall can sing anything
Warren actually did quite a few Gregg songs when Gregg was sick during the last March Beacon run


rationalrebel - 1/16/2020 at 10:39 PM

If this is being recorded, I really wish they would (know I’m probably alone in this view) play Egypt and Bag End so that there’s actually a formal released recording of these tunes. I expect they’re going to do a lot of instrumental already with this lineup (Mt Jam, Liz Reed, Hotlanta)


rationalrebel - 1/16/2020 at 10:41 PM

Oh and Jack does Blue Sky also


rationalrebel - 1/17/2020 at 04:58 PM

Oh and definitely a Jessica with Chuck there


axeman - 1/17/2020 at 05:59 PM

I don’t think anyone needs to have a connection to the ABB to sing. It’d be nice but not necessary. What they need is a good voice.

Zach Brown has sounded fine all the times he has sang with Gregg. He’s not perfect but this is supposed to an event and Warren singing Gregg’s songs is something we’ve all seen multiple times with both Mule and filling in for when Gregg was sick of ceded songs to Warren. As great a singer as he is, it just feels like an all too familiar “Gregg couldn’t make it” show to have Warren sing all Gregg’s songs.

They need to get someone with a very good voice.

I don’t care if it’s a super star or an unknown, they have to get someone to make this thing unique


rationalrebel - 1/17/2020 at 09:51 PM

Definitely needs to be about the music and not superstar status, but I would prefer the guest singers/players would have some relationship to the band. If this is the last time they're going to play, I'd hate to for it to be someone not in the circle (ex. if someone random sings Melissa while Jackie P isn't there at all). If Zac B is there to sing (who has sang with Gregg before), someone please text me when it's over and I'll come back from the bathroom/beverage line. Nothing against Zac, but I'm not flying to NYC to go see him when I can see him right down the road.

That being said, I am going right down the road to see Jack Pearson play tonight hahah

[Edited on 1/17/2020 by rationalrebel]

[Edited on 1/17/2020 by rationalrebel]


Marley - 1/18/2020 at 12:42 AM

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I don’t think anyone needs to have a connection to the ABB to sing. It’d be nice but not necessary. What they need is a good voice.

Zach Brown has sounded fine all the times he has sang with Gregg. He’s not perfect but this is supposed to an event and Warren singing Gregg’s songs is something we’ve all seen multiple times with both Mule and filling in for when Gregg was sick of ceded songs to Warren. As great a singer as he is, it just feels like an all too familiar “Gregg couldn’t make it” show to have Warren sing all Gregg’s songs.

They need to get someone with a very good voice.

I don’t care if it’s a super star or an unknown, they have to get someone to make this thing unique

What makes it unique is: it's the only concert this group is ever going to give, it's a final salute to the ABB, and it's intended to be the last time Jaimoe, Marc, Oteil, Warren and Derek all play together. There are other things they can do on top of that and nobody would complain about them, but that's special already. I have no opinion about who they should or shouldn't get to sing, but the decision to have Reese Wynans and Duane Trucks play with them tells you they'll probably keep this focused on people with very strong connections to the band.


MuleMe - 1/18/2020 at 12:55 AM

Woohoo.....tix arrived


Counselor - 2/12/2020 at 12:31 AM

Well I've been watching ticket prices on Stubhub keep on falling week after week....so instead of just getting in and sitting up high I am now able to get into the 100 section in the back....if prices keep spiraling down I may be able to get down onto the floor.

It's a beautiful thing to watch the ticketscam machine implode every once in awhile.


tumbleweed - 2/12/2020 at 01:37 PM

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Well I've been watching ticket prices on Stubhub keep on falling week after week....so instead of just getting in and sitting up high I am now able to get into the 100 section in the back....if prices keep spiraling down I may be able to get down onto the floor.

It's a beautiful thing to watch the ticketscam machine implode every once in awhile.


Noticing the same. Prices falling rapidly and early. Show is a month away and the professional scalpers are in panic mode. Lots of options to purchase tickets below face value already ......


islalala - 2/12/2020 at 02:45 PM

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If this is being recorded, I really wish they would (know I’m probably alone in this view) play Egypt and Bag End so that there’s actually a formal released recording of these tunes. I expect they’re going to do a lot of instrumental already with this lineup (Mt Jam, Liz Reed, Hotlanta)


You are not alone, brother. Just to hear how this lineup would approach / nail those tunes is reason enough for me!


hotlantatim - 2/12/2020 at 07:05 PM

I think I mentioned him early in the thread, but Junior Mac is another person who if asked could give justice to a couple Gregg songs. He's sat in with the Brothers before and been front man for Jaimoe's band for a decade. Lamar has been a guest with the Brothers, too.

But this is starting to seem a little like the final ABB Beacon run. No guests, just the 7 players listed. I would not underestimate the ability of those 7 to put on a monster 3 hour concert by themselves.


Counselor - 2/12/2020 at 08:55 PM

Anybody have a link to an article or quote where someone (like Warren) says definitively "no guests"? Just wondering. Chuck is listed as a guest so I also wonder whether he will play the whole show or just a portion.

In the end it really doesn't matter because I'll be there regardless, ready to gratefully accept whatever the night offers. How can it be anything less than a blistering hot show? 27 day countdown...


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