Thread: What's wrong with this picture?

pops42 - 10/20/2019 at 07:43 PM

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blackey - 10/20/2019 at 08:14 PM

It's not the real Allman Brothers Band but one of the later lineups performing as the ABB.

It has Dickey Betts holding it so he must be getting a cut of the action.

And it has the names and signatures of the band. Apparently the outfit that pit this together thought the picture featured all those names and signatures but it doesn't. I just looked at it again and only Gregg, Butch and Jaimoe are in the pucture.

Some years ago I saw a live CD of the band live at The Warehouse but the picture was a 1982 pic of Gregg, Dickey, Butch, Chuck, Rook Goldflies and the Toler brothers standing in front of some trees. Below or on the back were Duane, Berry, Jaimoe, Gregg, Dickey and Butch's names.

If they can't run it by someone such as Jaimoe or Kirk West, then put it on this website and we will help them.


Slyckyr - 10/20/2019 at 08:27 PM



I'm thinking they had Dickey hold up a blank shirt & superimposed the image on it later.
I can't imagine him agreeing to do so otherwise.

I've seen other sites that do the same.


Randall - 10/20/2019 at 08:30 PM

Looks like a photoshop to me. The black right arm sleeve doesn't seem to go with the shirt that Dickey is wearing. Probably shirt and hands photoshopped over a picture of Dickey.


Slyckyr - 10/20/2019 at 08:34 PM

Yup & also look at the right where his hair & hat meet the background.


blackey - 10/20/2019 at 10:05 PM

Just noticed Butch signed "Peace". I have Gregg and Dickey's signatures on things I got them to sign over the years and Jaimoe too. Don't remember getting Butch. Gregg and Dickey's signatures look right. Not sure about Duane and Berry. I got Duane and Berry on my copy of Idlewild South in 1970 but that album disappeared years ago. Somebody that was actually in my house stole it apparently because Duane and Berry has signed it. It's been so long ago I can't remember Duane's signature. Isn't it on this site where he signed some contracts and a new years resolution?


robslob - 10/20/2019 at 11:29 PM

Definitely a photo shop, no doubt in my mind.


steadyhorse - 10/21/2019 at 12:30 AM

Those adds pop up all the time on Facebook, different background, different face but always the same hands. They had Warren’s face for a Gov’t Mule shirt one time also. I doubt the musicians get a cut of anything, most sell their own swag.


Shavian - 10/21/2019 at 09:14 PM

http://roger-epperson-autographs.com/110/


Skydog32103 - 10/22/2019 at 03:15 AM

quote:
It's not the real Allman Brothers Band but one of the later lineups performing as the ABB.


Why do you always feel a need to disparage the most recent lineup as "not real" and "performing as"? I don't understand why you do it all the time.


adhill58 - 10/22/2019 at 01:21 PM

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Just noticed Butch signed "Peace". I have Gregg and Dickey's signatures on things I got them to sign over the years and Jaimoe too. Don't remember getting Butch. Gregg and Dickey's signatures look right. Not sure about Duane and Berry. I got Duane and Berry on my copy of Idlewild South in 1970 but that album disappeared years ago. Somebody that was actually in my house stole it apparently because Duane and Berry has signed it. It's been so long ago I can't remember Duane's signature. Isn't it on this site where he signed some contracts and a new years resolution?


On the shirt, the Duane "signature" appears to be "Paul G. [Illegible]". That is an odd way to start the autograph of someone whose name was Howard Duane Allman.

Look at his signature on this website: https://duaneallman.com/

[Edited on 10/22/2019 by adhill58]


blackey - 10/22/2019 at 03:21 PM

Skydog 32103. I have a lot of respect for later lineups. I saw them all and saw some hot shows. I remember the Chuck/Lamar lineup in summer of 1973 in Nashville on the Brothers and Sisters tour being especially hot. Several of the 1989-1992 shows from the Warren/Woody lineup were among the best shows of any band I've seen. The last lineup in Raleigh in 2007 had some incredible moments. Jack, Otiel lineup in Raleigh in 1997 was another hot show and Derej, Dickey, Otiel in 1999 in Las Vegas was smoking. The 2009 Beacon show was real fine.

I saw the so called Real Allman Brothers a dozen times beginning in early 1970 and there was an energy, vibe and swagger that was floating off Duane Allman that left in Oct 1971 and never returned. The band was never a good and for old fans never the same. I and old fans of Skynyrd feel the same post Ronnie Van Zant and the Dead after Jerry split.

Jaimoe just a couple a years ago talk about how there was an energy and vibe from Duane that left and he never felt again. Jaimoe said the music was so spiritual and special when Duane (and surprisingly he said Barry rather than Berry) that his spirit left his body at times. Jaimoe said the only other time that ever happened with a band was when he was in the audience for a Mahavishnu Orchestra.

I am big fans of Warren and Derek. And both are huge Duane Allman fans and Duane was Derek's main influence when Derek was young.

I have all the new albums from the band including their poorest selling release Peakin' At The Beacon and Hittin' The Note, their last studio effort which has some good cuts. Firing Line is a favorite.

But if you were to introduce someone who had never heard the band before what would you play first. Live At Fillmore East or One Way Out from the last lineup which was the bands last new release?

I don't hear anything on One Way Out as good as it is that beats Statesboro Blues, Done Someone Wrong, You Dont Love Me, Liz Reed, Whipping Post on Fillmore East and from Eat A Peach the live One Way Out and Trouble No More.

One of the best songs I listen to from the last lineup is All Along The Watchtower. Warren sings and how they arranged it was very refreshing, clever and exhibits excellent musicianship. I play that off YouTube often and really enjoy it. It's way different than anything the original band did and it's good. But......

Do you not agree the original lineup was the high water mark for the Allman Brothers? Have you heard a version of Liz Reed that tops the one on Fillmore East??

If you were to play Free Bird to someone who never listened to Skynyrd would you play the original with Ronnie or one by the current lineup?


islalala - 10/22/2019 at 03:47 PM

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quote:
It's not the real Allman Brothers Band but one of the later lineups performing as the ABB.


Why do you always feel a need to disparage the most recent lineup as "not real" and "performing as"? I don't understand why you do it all the time.


You took the words right out of my mouth, Skydog

I always appreciate the views and insights of the true veteran fans here like blackey. That said when it starts to come across as condescending and righteous that’s where I too become baffled.


Skydog32103 - 10/22/2019 at 03:56 PM

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Skydog 32103. I have a lot of respect for later lineups. I saw them all and saw some hot shows. I remember the Chuck/Lamar lineup in summer of 1973 in Nashville on the Brothers and Sisters tour being especially hot. Several of the 1989-1992 shows from the Warren/Woody lineup were among the best shows of any band I've seen. The last lineup in Raleigh in 2007 had some incredible moments. Jack, Otiel lineup in Raleigh in 1997 was another hot show and Derej, Dickey, Otiel in 1999 in Las Vegas was smoking. The 2009 Beacon show was real fine.

I saw the so called Real Allman Brothers a dozen times beginning in early 1970 and there was an energy, vibe and swagger that was floating off Duane Allman that left in Oct 1971 and never returned. The band was never a good and for old fans never the same. I and old fans of Skynyrd feel the same post Ronnie Van Zant and the Dead after Jerry split.

Jaimoe just a couple a years ago talk about how there was an energy and vibe from Duane that left and he never felt again. Jaimoe said the music was so spiritual and special when Duane (and surprisingly he said Barry rather than Berry) that his spirit left his body at times. Jaimoe said the only other time that ever happened with a band was when he was in the audience for a Mahavishnu Orchestra.

I am big fans of Warren and Derek. And both are huge Duane Allman fans and Duane was Derek's main influence when Derek was young.

I have all the new albums from the band including their poorest selling release Peakin' At The Beacon and Hittin' The Note, their last studio effort which has some good cuts. Firing Line is a favorite.

But if you were to introduce someone who had never heard the band before what would you play first. Live At Fillmore East or One Way Out from the last lineup which was the bands last new release?

I don't hear anything on One Way Out as good as it is that beats Statesboro Blues, Done Someone Wrong, You Dont Love Me, Liz Reed, Whipping Post on Fillmore East and from Eat A Peach the live One Way Out and Trouble No More.

One of the best songs I listen to from the last lineup is All Along The Watchtower. Warren sings and how they arranged it was very refreshing, clever and exhibits excellent musicianship. I play that off YouTube often and really enjoy it. It's way different than anything the original band did and it's good. But......

Do you not agree the original lineup was the high water mark for the Allman Brothers? Have you heard a version of Liz Reed that tops the one on Fillmore East??

If you were to play Free Bird to someone who never listened to Skynyrd would you play the original with Ronnie or one by the current lineup?


I’m sure we all agree that the original lineup was the best one, but that doesn’t explain why you feel a need to put down other lineups. Secondly, what you are saying is flat out wrong. Just because you prefer the original lineup, doesn’t mean the most recent lineup wasn’t still The Allman Brothers Band - facts are facts. There’s no need to insult them by saying they are “not real”, just to prop up the original. Speak highly of the originals and leave it at that - it’s what Duane would probably want you to do.


BrerRabbit - 10/22/2019 at 04:35 PM

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I’m sure we all agree that the original lineup was the best one,


My favorite sound was Eat a Peach Brothers and Sisters years - those long rambling Dicky Betts epic jams, shepherding the sound out of the minor pentatonic valley of doom and dread into the major pentatonic summer daze of happy times. Sunnier brighter sound - more lighthearted. The earliest stuff was full of angst. Power blues OD to rip your heart out. It was a relief when Dickey cut the pure blues dope with melodic phrasing.


BIGV - 10/22/2019 at 05:02 PM

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I’m sure we all agree that the original lineup was the best one, but that doesn’t explain why you feel a need to put down other lineups. Secondly, what you are saying is flat out wrong. Just because you prefer the original lineup, doesn’t mean the most recent lineup wasn’t still The Allman Brothers Band - facts are facts. There’s no need to insult them by saying they are “not real”, just to prop up the original. Speak highly of the originals and leave it at that - it’s what Duane would probably want you to do.


If McCartney and Ringo teamed up with Dhani Harrison and Sean Lennon and called themselves the Beatles....


...Would you buy it?


blackey - 10/22/2019 at 05:27 PM

When I say "The Real Allman Brothers" I don't mean later lineups shouldn't use the ABB name. Well the one that came close was the 1981 lineup with Mike Lawler on keys and David Toler on drums instead of Jaimoe. I wondered if that line up should have used the Gregg Allman -Dickey Betts Band. It was such a way different sound and vibe than the original lineup much of the show.

I use the term "real" Allman Brothers for the original band like I use real Pepsi for Pepsi Cola made with real sugar or the 3 Stooges short when Curly is in it rather than Shemp.

To me it's the real deal. The original vibe, taste etc. It is not used to belittle later versions on anything.


BrerRabbit - 10/22/2019 at 05:44 PM

If the Mick and Keef ditched Brian Jones and signed up Mick Taylor would you buy it? Then ditched Mick Taylor for Ron Wood you buy it?

If Spïnäl Täp lost Nigël would you buy it?

If the Dead lost Pigpen would you buy it?

If Ian ditched an entire army of great musicians would you buy Tull?

If Little Feat lost Lowell would you buy it?

If Skynyrd lost Ed King and got Gaines would you buy it? Then kept on as Skynyrd after the crash would you buy it?

If Sitting Bull gave Custer an Arrow® shirt at the Little Big Horn would you buy the 7th Cavalry?

I would, did, and do.

Only thing I'm not buying is all this "real band" stuff. Least of all the Beatles - they weren't even a band after 1964 they were a production company.





[Edited on 10/22/2019 by BrerRabbit]


Stephen - 10/22/2019 at 06:23 PM

IMO it varies from band to band - Zep had the good sense to not use that name post-Bonzo, except for 1 or 2 one-off reunions w/his son
Never did buy anything by the post-Keith Who - those were 2 irreplaceable drummers & the Zep & Who we knew & loved could never be the same

I think this is where blackey is coming from in his posts - that the sound & vibe Duane & BO brought to the stage couldn’t be replaced - if so, I would agree - there was the 1st 4 records, & I’ve always thought B&S brought that era full circle in closing out a matchless legacy of music

I love the ABB - each era/lineup brought something new & different to the table that kept me as a fan throughout - Nobody Knows is my favorite studio thing they ever did - outside of Liz Reed I put Madness of the West w/any of their instrumentals - know I’m a minority of 1 on that tho

[Edited on 10/22/2019 by Stephen]


Skydog32103 - 10/22/2019 at 06:35 PM

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I use the term "real" Allman Brothers for the original band like I use real Pepsi for Pepsi Cola made with real sugar or the 3 Stooges short when Curly is in it rather than Shemp.To me it's the real deal. The original vibe, taste etc.


Then you are using the word incorrectly because “real” doesn’t mean “original”.

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It is not used to belittle later versions on anything.


This is where I find you to be a bit disingenuous. I think you absolutely intend to belittle them.


bob1954 - 10/22/2019 at 08:08 PM

Would it be wrong to buy this shirt just because it is so strange?


BrerRabbit - 10/22/2019 at 08:24 PM

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I'm thinking they had Dickey hold up a blank shirt & superimposed the image on it later.
I can't imagine him agreeing to do so otherwise.


Cant imagine Betts agreeing to pose for a photo holding up a blank T shirt either. "Here ya go Mr. Betts, just hold this up for the picture." lol. Nah.


BIGV - 10/22/2019 at 08:53 PM

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If Skynyrd lost Ed King and got Gaines would you buy it? Then kept on as Skynyrd after the crash would you buy it?


Sure. 1 replacement? Sure. Bands morph and change and to support Blackey's thoughts on the ABB, I loved Fleetwood Mac....until Nicks and Buckingham completely changed the sound of the original band...So, to me, that was NOT Fleetwood Mac churning out "Nonsense" like "Rhiannon".....

Good examples all. My point is that it is totally subjective, "if it works for you"...The Beatles are a perfect example "Who played and wrote the songs"?...The example I gave with them is NO different than those who choose to support ANY "Band" with 50% or less of its original members.

How many band personnel changes does it take before it matters? Foghat is still out there, is that Foghat? There is a group of players out there masquerading as Lynyrd Skynyrd.... The "Who" is currently 2 of 4, the Brothers were 3 of 6 and so on. What does your wallet say?


BrerRabbit - 10/22/2019 at 09:35 PM

Way I see it, if the material is solid enough it doesn't require the original composer to keep it alive - a band could change completely, pass the torch on - like a school, style, a dojo. I see the Dead still performing a century from now, and possibly some form of the ABB, the music will demand it, has a life and will of its own. Same goes for Yes and other groups as well.


fender31 - 10/22/2019 at 09:47 PM

In my opinion along as Gregg was in the band it still could be called the ABB...

[Edited on 10/22/2019 by fender31]


blackey - 10/22/2019 at 10:53 PM

I DID buy all the albums after Duane died. Including Peakin' At The Beacon, Hitting the Note and One Way Out. I have all 18 of the ABB's new albums and a lot of their archive releases.

I do admit in the wake of the final shows in 2014 I was reading posts on here of people saying the early 2000's or the mid to late 2000's were the best the ABB has ever sounded. That Derek Trucks was the best guitar even in the band and Otiel was the best bass player and one guy even said they would sound even better if Gregg was replaced or only played a set as he can't keep up with the others on the front line.

So I chimed in...I have to differ with those who think the last lineup IS the Allman Brothers Band. People who think the last lineup is what you go to if someone mentions the Allman Brothers obiviously never heard the Duane/Oakley original version of the band.

It's very difficult to express just how spiritual and hot and the energy and vibe one felt from the original band without sounding as if you're trashing the last lineup or any of the lineups that played as The Allman Brothers. The last lineup went 13 years. Ths longest of any of the lineups. The lineup no only had Butch, Jaimoe and Marc on the back row, but had three of the best at what they do in the business. Derek, Warren and Otiel. And the legendary Gregg Allman. I'm talking about one of the strongest ABB lineups and strongest lineups of any band.

This isn't about putting down any later lineup. This is explaining just how powerful, spiritual and the amount of energy that was coming from Duane Allman. This is trying to explain a post Duane ABB is like a post Jerry Grateful Dead, a post Ronnie Van Zant Lynyrd Skynyrd or try to imagine a post Mike Jagger Rolling Stones. Changing Brian Jones to Mick Taylor to Ronnie Wood worked because Mick and to a lesser extent Keith were still there.

The Allman Brothers Band was named for Duane and Gregg. They continued because Gregg was still there and Dickey Betts became so identified as Duane's guitar partner and the "other" song writer. Some bands cant survive a major player not there. The Doors is an example. The Stones wouldn't survive Mick being gone at any time in their history. The ABB did because they had other talent and found very talented musicians through the years but it was never the same vibe and energy that we felt when Duane was at the helm. Yes Duane Allman was that powerful.


Skydog32103 - 10/23/2019 at 03:11 AM

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I have to differ with those who think the last lineup IS the Allman Brothers Band.


The law and the band itself says they were The Allman Brothers, so it really doesn’t matter what you “differ” with, however, I agree with you that the original lineup is by far the best. One cannot “differ” with a fact.


Stephen - 10/23/2019 at 03:48 AM

“The law”??
Sounds serious - hopefully blackey doesn’t get/hasn’t been arrested:laughs: - he’d be an easy bust -
JUDGE: blackey for your constant continuous posts about the Original ABB being the Only ABB....I sentence you to....the Zakk Wylde show - every day, for the rest of your life!!”
It’s all for laughs
But yes that photo does look like a fake

[Edited on 10/23/2019 by Stephen]


CanadianMule - 10/23/2019 at 09:19 AM

My wife ordered me 3 of my favorite R&R shirts a couple of Christmas ago.

All from the same company.

Duane
Dickey
and Gary Moore.

All three are the same concept. An image of the guy with their most famous guitar plus in these cases Gibson is written also.

Beautiful shirts and a great concept. Quality is great from both the materials and the printing.

When I went on their website, they had every guitarist imaginable.

Not a cent goes to any artist but my wife doesn't know and probably slept just fine after ordering.

Truth is that most of these "companies" have better designs and concepts.

I would buy the shirt that Dickey is almost holding in a second. Looks great and I like the Anniversary nod to the original lineup.


CanadianMule - 10/23/2019 at 09:26 AM

I was just on a site and they have all sorts of pics of musicians and actors with those exact same hands. LOL

Dickey's hands are everywhere.


jszfunk - 10/23/2019 at 11:52 AM

someone mentioned the Three Stooges Curly vs Shemp…...don't even go there with me!!!! . Lets not forget Curly Joe!


jszfunk - 10/23/2019 at 11:55 AM

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My wife ordered me 3 of my favorite R&R shirts a couple of Christmas ago.

All from the same company.

Duane
Dickey
and Gary Moore.

All three are the same concept. An image of the guy with their most famous guitar plus in these cases Gibson is written also.

Beautiful shirts and a great concept. Quality is great from both the materials and the printing.

When I went on their website, they had every guitarist imaginable.

Not a cent goes to any artist but my wife doesn't know and probably slept just fine after ordering.

Truth is that most of these "companies" have better designs and concepts.

I would buy the shirt that Dickey is almost holding in a second. Looks great and I like the Anniversary nod to the original lineup.


I have been looking for some cool Rock shirts. Where did your wife purchase from if you don't mind me asking? Any recommendations where to find gear of bands,groups musicians etc...

thanks


Stephen - 10/23/2019 at 01:56 PM

jszfunk, you might want to chek out oldglory.com, have bought many T-shirt’s from them


blackey - 10/23/2019 at 02:04 PM

Skydog 32103. I wouldn't say the original band is far and away better than the last line up. The original was more creative and according to Butch took more chances and changed things up on the fly not knowing what was going to happen.

There were some fantastic musicians in that last lineup. Each lineup had their hot nights and did the ABB name proud. I was at a 1990 Johnny Neal lineup at Virginia Tech and the band and especially Dickey and Warren were mashing on it.

We all know what an incredible slide player Derek is.

The original line up had a chemistry, vibe, sound, energy and creative spark that was unique to that lineup and a lot of it was coming from Duane and the influence he had over the other five.

Making that lineup to me the ",real" or "pure " Allman Brothers Band.

Maybe I fail to take into account fans much younger than my 72 years and they discovered the band in 2003 rather than 1970 like I did so to them the magic and sound and vibe that they call the Allman Brothers is the last line up. That is fine. But to me from January 1970 to the last time I saw them in 1971, 12 shows, the energy, vibe, and the way the musicians played ended with Duane getting killed and Its never been the same. But that doesn't mean other lineups were not any good. You change the players and it's going to sound a little different. Plus Duane had an energy, a spark, an influence on the rest of the band Gregg, Dickey, Butch, Jaimoe and the musicians who came later just didn't have. Duane Allman was unique and of course it was HIS band. When you saw the originial band you knew who's band it was.

I don't want anyone to think I don't respect later lineups and Warren, Derek and Otiel.


Rusty - 10/23/2019 at 02:27 PM

Original line-up laid the foundation and constructed the original "building". Orville and Wilbur invented an airplane, but later aviators added jet engines. "Originals" played usual, predictable set-lists. It was not uncommon to see the last version play several nights in a row with few or absolutely no repeats. "Tom-A-to - to-MAH-to. It was never intended to be a contest. Here's a large truth: every line-up of the band had its own merits.


CanadianMule - 10/23/2019 at 02:57 PM

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Original line-up laid the foundation and constructed the original "building". Orville and Wilbur invented an airplane, but later aviators added jet engines. "Originals" played usual, predictable set-lists. It was not uncommon to see the last version play several nights in a row with few or absolutely no repeats. "Tom-A-to - to-MAH-to. It was never intended to be a contest. Here's a large truth: every line-up of the band had its own merits.


Amen

It amazes me how after all these years and all the available shows. People still buy into this 3 to 6 hour shows. Yet not one of these magical shows is available? Everyone that remembers these shows was high. lol

There are well over a hundred shows that fit on one disc and some that fit on two discs.

As Rusty mentions, it is basically the same set lists with a few songs varying on occasion.

The shows are magical and I love every one of them but let's at least accept reality.

Who is responsible for the incredible era of different every night - Warren Haynes. One of the conditions of his return along with a major raise.


jszfunk - 10/23/2019 at 06:34 PM

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quote:
Original line-up laid the foundation and constructed the original "building". Orville and Wilbur invented an airplane, but later aviators added jet engines. "Originals" played usual, predictable set-lists. It was not uncommon to see the last version play several nights in a row with few or absolutely no repeats. "Tom-A-to - to-MAH-to. It was never intended to be a contest. Here's a large truth: every line-up of the band had its own merits.


Amen

It amazes me how after all these years and all the available shows. People still buy into this 3 to 6 hour shows. Yet not one of these magical shows is available? Everyone that remembers these shows was high. lol

There are well over a hundred shows that fit on one disc and some that fit on two discs.

As Rusty mentions, it is basically the same set lists with a few songs varying on occasion.

The shows are magical and I love every one of them but let's at least accept reality.

Who is responsible for the incredible era of different every night - Warren Haynes. One of the conditions of his return along with a major raise.




Amen both of ya!!

Totally agree on the comments about WH....could not be more truer. He was a blessing to that institution, definitely on his 2nd stint. If it was not for him on his last tour of duty , the greatness of that last decade plus would not have existed.


blackey - 10/24/2019 at 05:39 PM

Well I don't agree the originial lineup invented the Allman Brothers way of playing and other lineup improved the band. Especially the last lineup.

There is NOT a better version of Elizabeth Reed by the original band on Fillmore East by any later lineup period. Same for One Way Out on East A Peach.

Listen carefully. The last lineup, the Warren-Derek lineup COULD NOT PLAY THE SONGS ON FILLMORE EAST AND EAT A PEACH AS WELL AS The Duane, Dickey, Berry lineup. With all due respect to Warren Haynes and I love him and I'm a huge fan, Warren is no Duane Allman. No lineup including the last played with the energy, vibe and creativity as the band did when Duane and Berry were in it.

Butch Trucks himself said after the band retired in 2014 that maybe it was for the best. It had come so predictable. Butch said he knew what Warren and Derek were going to do before they did it. No surprises, no jumping into the deep end with not the slightest concern there may be a trainwreck. Butch said that is not how the originial band did it.

I have the Fox Box which is the last lineup at it's best. Is there a version of the songs the originial band did by the last lineup that tops what is on Fillmore East and live Eat A Peach? If there is a version of say Liz Reed by the last line up that beats the version on Fillmore East then link it for me. I want to hear it.

Link something. Anything. I haven't head anything that would change my mind that the originial lineup is the high water mark of the Allman Brothers Band.

You people who think the Warren-Derek lineup was the Allman Brothers at its best never heard the originial lineup. I bet ya you never did.

The REAL Allman Brothers has Duane Allman in it.


CanadianMule - 10/24/2019 at 10:48 PM

Blackey

You are debating by yourself. No one has said anyone was better. Not once.

Even if someone did - there is no right or wrong. They just might prefer the other players.

As for better versions of songs on the Fillmore, the original guys rarely if ever even came close themselves.

I agree Warren is no Duane and never tried to be. But Duane is also no Warren Haynes. Luckily no one needs to be anyone else.

It is all opinion and nothing more. So after Duane died they were The Fake Allman Brothers. If that helps you sleep then cool.

No one could send a link that you would agree with as your mind is already made up regardless of what you would hear.

But again - no one is debating the original lineup's talent with you.


pops42 - 10/24/2019 at 11:52 PM

It ain't theAllman Brothers Band without the flippin Keytar!. Mike Lawler was much better on Keytar then Duane Allman ever wished he was!. :


blackey - 10/25/2019 at 12:08 AM

Canadian mule. I have the Fox Box and there is some great playing on it. There is great playing on Wipe The Windiws by the Chuck/Lamar version of the band. Especially Southbound which smokes.

But I don't hear any versions of songs on Fillmore East or live Eat A Peach by later lineups that I would say is the a better version than the original band. The archival release from the originial band Stoneybrook has a version of One Way Out that comes close to being better than the Eat A Peach version.

I'm open minded. Link me something by the last line up of something on Fillmore East or live Eat A Peach that you think is a better, more exciting version than the original lineup and I'll listen. I haven't noticed anything on the Fox Box but even 8f it's the Fix Box link it and I'll listen without my mind made up.


Jerry - 10/25/2019 at 02:55 AM

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Looks like a photoshop to me. The black right arm sleeve doesn't seem to go with the shirt that Dickey is wearing. Probably shirt and hands photoshopped over a picture of Dickey.


Download and zoom in. You can see where his shirt was changed from red to black on the sleeve.

I wonder what rip-offs will be around next summer for the 50th of the Byron Pop Festival.


Stephen - 10/25/2019 at 03:26 AM

Blackey, no offense bro but you’re sounding like a broken record
We know w/100 percent certainty that you feel that none of the subsequent lineups could hold a candle to the Duane/BO band
Many Feel The Same Way, especially older fans like you & me - no convincing is necessary - yes as you said, that was the talent of the original ABB

[Edited on 10/25/2019 by Stephen]


CanadianMule - 10/25/2019 at 01:09 PM

Blackey - not a single person has disagreed with you, Brother.

As I said and even you did too - the original band doesn't have recording to match the Fillmore.

Does that mean they were not as good as themselves? LOL

Also Butch did not want to slow down. He wanted to tour more and make money. Understandably so as obviously the stress over cash drove him to the depths.

But you are debating yourself. I don't recall in all my years on this forum someone saying any lineup was better than the first. And even if they did then they are not wrong. They just like the other lineup more.

Believe it or not - the world is full of far more people that dislike the ABB than like them. The majority of people have no interest in 20 minute guitar solos. Are they wrong for not liking it? No. They don't like never ending guitar solos.

I brought many to see the band over the years. Most became fans while some others were bored to tears. The ABB is not their thing which is completely understandable.


CanadianMule - 10/25/2019 at 01:11 PM

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Looks like a photoshop to me. The black right arm sleeve doesn't seem to go with the shirt that Dickey is wearing. Probably shirt and hands photoshopped over a picture of Dickey.


Download and zoom in. You can see where his shirt was changed from red to black on the sleeve.

I wonder what rip-offs will be around next summer for the 50th of the Byron Pop Festival.


The company dealing the "hands" shirts have more actors than musicians holding that shirt.


blackey - 10/25/2019 at 02:16 PM

Canadian Mule. I do have a performance by the last lineup that moves me like the original lineup and that is All Along The Watchtower with Warren singing. Blue Sky on You Tube 1991 Germany with the Warren Woody lineup is another.

It's not so much no later musician is not as good as Duane Allman, it's how the originial six blended together. It was a unique sound plus the energy coming off Duane that is the pure real deal Allman Brothers for me.

Dickey was more melodic than Duane and we all know how good Derek, Warren and Jack were but in my opinion none of them could light up a solo like Duane Allman.

I took a friend to see the ABB in 1974 and a girl to see them in 1991 and they were bored. It wasn't their kind of music. And the big downer was the long solos and jamming. So that point is well taken.

From the rumors I was hearing around 2009 and in interviews I saw/heard around that time, Warren and Derek were ready to move on but someone ( turned out to be Butch) was pushing hard to keep the band together. Warren and Derek finally make it clear in 2014 that they were leaving and no more extensions.

We now know Butch had is back against the wall and needed some more good paying tours to get Uncle Sam off his back. It's easy to connect the dots when you look back. So I agree there too.


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