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pam wrote on November 6, 2002 at 7:31 pm
Thanks for the b-day greetings Karen! A :birthday: to Corrine! Sorry guys about posting in the middle of your discussion.
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EasyMichael wrote on November 6, 2002 at 7:31 pm
Happy Birthday, Corrine! :fanfare:
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OldDirtRoad wrote on November 6, 2002 at 7:26 pm
Dickey's "we need the money" phrase was more or less a dig at the greedy record execs...that are well known for sticking it to you...whenver they get a chance..... Kenny
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brofan wrote on November 6, 2002 at 7:26 pm
Sorry, Liz Reed without Dickey just doesn't cut it. This point was driven home for me by: A) The ABB doing this as an ENCORE at the 3-15-02 show at the Beacon, and man, what a letdown. Gregg didn't even come out for it (Kofi ran out and manned the B-3 until Gregg recovered from whatever was ailing him). Even though I was front row center, it was a huge letdown. B)INMHO, neither IMOER nor Jessica sound right without Dickey-after I saw him In Indy (finally) this year, both versions that the DBB did were superior to the ABB's versions. This is not a philosphical issue-strictly a matter of personal taste. They can play whatever they want, but as long as I buy a ticket to a show or buy their records, I reserve the right (remember that Stillwater LP? Classic) to voice an opinion, as long it falls within the boundaries of proper decorum. Of course, anyone who knows me even on an informal basis knows that staying within the boundaries of proper decorum presents a real challenge to me...
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Marley wrote on November 6, 2002 at 7:17 pm
Well, I think of the election last night, and the phrase "We're F****d" seems to be on everyone's lips around here. I think it very well might be true, and I'm scared and angry. (Wayne, since when do Republicans know anything about the economy? Reagan???)
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KCJIMMY wrote on November 6, 2002 at 7:14 pm
Lee Please, You know there is no such thing as too many ABB shows. Ask Bob. I really wasn't worried about you with my comment as much as I was some others that don't like you to mention D.B. with any negativity at all. I love D.B. and his work. The "we need money" bothered me a little bit.
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KCJIMMY wrote on November 6, 2002 at 7:10 pm
I don't have punch line but I would really like to see In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed in the rotation without the long Drum solo. Don't want a Drum Solo Thread we've done that plenty. For me it just doesn't fit in that song. It's a great song with a powerful ending. That powerful ending loses something after the 15 minute Drum/Bass solo. Although Oteil does some cool stuff on that particular song I would rather have the short original length drum solo there. Corrine didn't answer
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lee wrote on November 6, 2002 at 7:09 pm
Jimmy - What I meant by that was directed at a comment Ron made about the need to "sell to an audience of potential record buyers". Certainly this is important, but there isn't a record for people to buy is all I meant by that. And I would agree that the shows this year were great. I wouldn't have made so many road trips if I thought otherwise. Sorry y'all had to read all of this. I guess the horse ain't dead, but I think she's been beaten into submission at the very least. Maybe the problem isn't that I think they play any particular song too much but that I have too damn many shows.
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skyponydogboy wrote on November 6, 2002 at 7:06 pm
Interesting commentary/debate on the song selection of ABB shows of late. My opinion is quite controversial so I will suffice to say that Rocking Horse is my least liked songs the band has ever done. It is not "Allmanesque" to me. I do like some of the new stuff and enjoy the music of all the shows, but, as good as '95, 96, or '89-90? Can't agree with that. There was magic in the music that I have'nt felt yet. Still, the best band anywhere on the planet so don't send me that hate mail!! Peachnutt....hey bro, it's still the best country in the world. I thank God we have a Republican exec. and now have regained control of the House and Senate. But you're right, the stock market ain't going no where soon. I also am glad that we are free to make the choice!! to own a firearm and defend your life. It ain't perfect, but it's the best country I know of....if you ain't happy in the north, come on down south and see what you've been missin'. Rememberin' Berry O. today. Listened to the New Orleans show and the Mtn. Jam solo B.O. plays that really rips. Sing your song B.O.!! spdb Buy real estate!
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BigSixPeachHead wrote on November 6, 2002 at 7:02 pm
Holy Moly... Do we have alot of birthday's happening today or what...great stuff. :birthday: LamPup, Mr. Martin Lambert's big 8th :birthday: pam, hope you're having a great day and that your wish comes true. :birthday: Corrine, Sweet Sister you deserve the happiest day and the know we hope all is well. Peachnutt, you're welcome to come stay with us in the great white north but you should know our political powers that be have about as much backbone as Gumby 🙂 Stay cool folks, Later, Karen
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KCJIMMY wrote on November 6, 2002 at 7:00 pm
Lee my friend I know I should keep this one to myself but what the heck... I got a little tired of hearing D.B. say on many of the shows that I've collected "If you like what you are hearing, go out and buy our new CD so we can get some money" Just doesn't fit the philosphy that founded the ABB. The music is what matters. Play what you want to play whether its R.H. every night or not. I gotta agree with Bob in that I doubt their set lists are geared towards selling a CD that has not been released yet. This was an EXCELLENT tour. I do agree that its better than anything since 96. I love the new material. Time to call my wife, wish me luck! Or Flame me, Shoot I don't care just don't forget me!
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ron_e wrote on November 6, 2002 at 6:51 pm
[keep in mind that the knucklehead who typed what's below used to collect record top 30 charts as a little kid in the 60's, and frets every year that his favorite player -- who unexpectedly batted .425 this past season -- will be forced to retire because of injuries or poor record sales & concert attendance in the coming wartime depression. forgive him. he's lost ALL perspective, and varied WILDLY off-topic][and his salem has a 10 second digiglitch during 'untitled's derek solo!][btw, no controversy on my end, just having fun and hoping that -- as has happened before, what politicians I don't support do works out in the long run, see, e.g., lots of the way the reagan era shook out in the long run] (PLUS I'm challenneling potentially destructive post-election feelings -- that I have EVERY election -- into something more fun and interesting than political quarrelling and simplistic sloganeering, whatever the source. GO ABB - WIN THE PENNANT IN 2003!!!) (and I once was sick of "Whipping Post" too, about 1997...no more though) I'm sure someone in that organization cares about record sales, that's what 'management' is all about. They didn't make the CD for free, and last I checked, most those cats AREN'T quite set to retire on their millions. PLUS, if you want them to keep playing shows, they've GOT to sell tickets -- that's not a ramshackle oldies outfit they're hauling around the country - how terrific was the stage management and presentation, how in tune were the guitars, see all those roadies out back loadin' all those trucks? Getting out a new record means selling it to sell more tickets, so that the off-the-hook great bunch we'll be seein' next summer will be playing to post-BWIAB and Second Set crowds and touring again out west and so forth. Don't get me wrong -- I don't think for a second the band is consciously out there thinking "selling records, shovelling coal, diggin' a ditch" -- BUT the reality is I've seen Warren, when Deep End came out -- tell the crowd a bit about the new disc and say 'buy it,' and when the disc comes out, bet he'll do it again. The reality is that in order to keep this going, not just for Gregg and Jaimoe and Butch, but for the others in the band who haven't had the kind of rewarding widespread exposure and success the ABB has had and still has, for the people who work for the band and whose livelihoods depend on the band's continued success, for us fans who want to have the privilege of seeing great shows enough to get sick of one of the songs (don't get me started on In Memory of Elizabeth Reed -- see, I TOTALLY understand) records must be sold, venues must fill, the merch must move, and I must end this run-on sentence so time can resume its relentless forw -- Anyone throw me a (punch)line?
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KCJIMMY wrote on November 6, 2002 at 6:46 pm
First: :birthday: to my wife Corrine she is a Beautiful 37 today. Ashamed to say I forgot to wish that too her before I left home this morning. Boo, Hiss, Boo. To make matters worse, I'm affraid to call her because she was up all night with Jasmin who still does not know night from day and once they get to sleep it could be 1:00 before they awake. Second: There may be such thing as too much R.H. but NEVER too much Soulshine. I believe I would still think I got my Moneys worth If they Just played that one 16 times one night and nothing else. well maybe a "Post" and a "Stormy Monday" and probably should include a......well you get the point. I love Soulshine Ron, I live in Olathe and you tell "Chauncey" to look us up and we will scratch up some of that Old Time Fun. HAA! Might as well bring LuAnn Poovey with him cause Independence is only 30 minutes away. Haa! x 2 Speaking of Independence I must chime in on the Republican side today. I feel great that things went the way they did. It is wonderful that we have the Freedom to make the choices the way we do (and did). I believe the Markets will bounce back big time. It takes time but they will bounce back and on track. We must remember that it is not so much a victory over the other party as it is what the people voted for and now we must all pull together and do the things that are in the best interest of the USA as a whole. Just my 2 cents. Have at me. Oh, and if JimmysGirl is lurking I am really sorry that I didn't give you B'Day wishes this morning. :dance:
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RobJohnson wrote on November 6, 2002 at 6:46 pm
My two cents on the Rocking Horse controversy. Like most fans, I am always happy to see the setlist vary considerably from show to show. However, I have always given a "free pass" on this issue when it comes to newer material. Among other things, this allows these tunes to get "broken in" as the band finds different ways to jam them out. Songs like Mountain Jam and Whipping Post, as great as they are, have been played so many times that their possible variations are fairly well played out. If the new tunes are going to reach those heights, they need to be "road tested," so to speak. Now, if the band is still playing Rocking Horse at every show in 2004, I may change my mind.
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phillybob wrote on November 6, 2002 at 6:33 pm
For this band I am sure they just simply enjoyed playing the new stuff, something new fresh air. I don't think they care if it sells a single record and thats the best part they never have and it sounds ooooooooooooooooo so goooooooooooood. I mean the set lists since Warren left the first time were stagnant. Rocking Horse is a kick A$$ song I like to hear it right after the same thing and my new favorite song of the week "Feel So Bad" Me on a personal note I love hearing the new stuff first because I collect the shows, the new stuff is fresh and full of energy just like the new congres whooooooootie wooooooooo.
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jtuna wrote on November 6, 2002 at 6:31 pm
Hello all, Sang sent me the ParkWest Chicago mule show and the Derek Martyr's show. Thank you Sang. Both are fantastic. The Mule has been mentioned as getting back to what the original Mule was all about. They are there and peaking. "Empty Pages" from the Park West show is really cool. Derek's show gets going and never lets up. It is wonderful we have these bands having fun and creating great music. Peace Charlie Brofan you have a PM from me.
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lee wrote on November 6, 2002 at 6:30 pm
Good points Ron. And good discussion too. I'm still sick of it though. But to your point about playing a song that they're gonna put on a CD, that brings up another thing I've been wondering about. It seems like when I've heard a group play new songs, they are trying to promote sales of a new CD that has been released. I like a lot of the new songs (I don't consider R.H. new, so let's not go there), but I don't understand why they are playing them so frequently when there is no CD for the general public to buy. From a marketing standpoint, seems like they could play the new stuff live and then tell the audience "Hey, if you like what you heard, get to the t-shirt stand and pick up our new CD". Prolly a whole nuther can-o-worms there.
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Dino wrote on November 6, 2002 at 6:28 pm
Goose Steppin Bush Boots ? I don't care how you feel about the current admin. , but it is highly irresponsible to compare it to Nazi Germany .... Call Alec Baldwin, and get on a one way bus to Canada, "Bro" ....
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ron_e wrote on November 6, 2002 at 6:18 pm
[here's the edited part, i'm not arguing with anyone, i'm just writing for fun. this probably reads better aloud, actually, for obvious reasons. enjoy or skip over!] I guess it depends on whether you're talking about what you'd like as opposed to what you think they should do. Two different topics, I suppose. In my brevity, I was unclear, and I apologize for that. Specifically, what I mean is this: A big part of the live performance - record sales symbiosis is the regular and repetitive performance of a tune that has an easily memorable vocal and melodic hook, preferably using an everyday phrase or name (in a punnish way if possible, to hook the listener with an unfamiliar spin of a familiar phrase, just like ad jingles often do), and that evokes a memorable emotional response in the listener (in the case of Rocking Horse, an unusually hard-rocking good-time really LOUD rave-up). They were doing it at the turn of the century when the composer of a song might attend performances of the review the song would be featured in, seizing upon a positive reaction from the crowd to stand and lead the crowd in singing a reprise of the song sometimes 7 or 8 times, until the crowd left the theatre knowing the title and the melody, ready to go buy the sheet music...where paid pluggers would perform the song again and again to introduce and reinforce the tune to the mass audience of sheet music buyers. (Isn't this uncannily like today? At one time, only potential blockbuster songs were worth the enormous protional costs needed to get the sales to pay for the production costs!) I'm sure you musical historians out there can take this back to the dawn of recorded history. So the ABB have all this new stuff they need to sell to an audience of potential record buyers (while putting on a kickass show for all) and you can't just play the best, most subtle songs 4 times each and some oldies to flesh it out, HOW ya gonna follow the time-honored pricipals to touch every base and satisfy (most) all? ANYway, the point is that when that new record comes out, and Cooter "Chauncey" Creel III, 42, of Independence, MO, and LuAnn Poovey, 24, of San Jose, CA, each of whom attended their second ever ABB show this past summer are browsing through the record store next February, and they see that new ABB record, and look at the titles, ain't gon' be nothin' on it named "Dreams," "Mountain Jam," "Rambling Man," "Whipping Post," or "IMOER," nosirree, it's a buncha stuff that MAY be that stuff they heard and dug 9 months ago after a few drinks and maybe a puff or two (Chauncey's first since right outta HS, I might add, livin' in Olathe with Lorna and the kids means not a lot of that old time fun stuff anymore). My amateur market research (i.e., cogitatin' over it and talking to people after the shows and reading some books 'n' stuff and makin' the rest of it up 'cause it seems to make sense to me) leads me to the conclusion that time-honored principals of mass-marketing music dictate that they play "Rocking Horse" every last single night, and that the show be paced in such a way that wherever that song is, that's the point where the rest of the show is completely over-the-top, so that not only do Chauncey and LuAnn but, hopefully, tens of thousands of other buyers who saw 'em on tour last summer see that memorable name, have a positive emotional response to it -- hey, that song's associated with the point where everyone got up and ROCKED the rest of the night -- and transfer those good feelings into that moment into an impulse buy (or the seed that germinates into purchase later, those new songs WERE good weren't they, I got to thinking about it when I saw it at the store the other day and...) of the first ABB record they've bought in years / ever bought. I mean, if you're talking what you'd like, give ME a big ol' slab of instrumentals and drum solos for 4 hours, but there's only gonna be 525 of us there (and I'm hereby grovelling for the tape of that show NOW), if you're talking about applying yourself to succeed artistically AND in your business endeavor then my point was that I think that's a smart thing to do. That was my point, that's all. So, anyway, that was my point and I think I misread the actual topic, so sorry. Incidentally, I've previously recommended Laurence Bergreen's bio of Louis Armstrong (more razor fights and p--ping than a truckload of gangsta rap), I'd also recommend - for very different reasons - his fascinating and historically informative bio of Irving Berlin.(where I read about some of the stuff above -- fascinating stuff)
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lee wrote on November 6, 2002 at 6:13 pm
Wasn't really going for hell Rich, but hey, what the hell, right? Ron, I agree with you on the "we are not the entire ABB audience" idea. In fact, I acknowledged it in my original post. I was still surprised to see they had played it 46 out of 50 shows or whatever the numbers were. And actually, I have nothing against the song per se (at least I didn't used to). I agree with Zambi; I'm just plain sick of it. My favorite song is Dreams and Thank God they don't play that every night or I'd be sick of it as well. Finally, I'd just like to reiterate my point that it seems like they could find some sort of happy medium where they play it enough to appeal to the masses (if that is indeed the objective) without burning us die-hards out on it.
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