Gina, it's hard to reply to specifics on some of your posts because there is just so much there, but take this as a compliment, when I see you posting about islam, terrorist or middle east issues I usually learn something...unless of course your post morphs into some weird stuff which happens sometimes.
The more I read here the more thankful I am to live in a great country that we do. Fortunately we do not have to wake up and face potential death and war every day. I feel so thankful that Americans (of all races and religions) give of themselves to serve the interests of our nation.
I want to keep America great. I don't want what is over there to come over here beyond what has already taken place and I feel that nobody really knows how to do it or who can do it.
I know it is hard to pick it apart, the biggest point is all of the things Osama complained about still exist as our foreign policies, and since then we added drone attacks, and rendition and Gitmo. Most Muslims in other countries do not want US intervention, even many of the leaders do not want our help when they see the price they will pay for that. Pakistan decided they would do their own drone attacks and wanted us to just stay out of it. Karzai asked us to leave because of the ongoing night raids in Afghanistan before he left office and he was a BIG partner with the US. Iraq has never had a functional long term govt. since Saddam was ousted. We cannot call our intervention in Libya a success and Egypt is not stable either. We keep trying to fix things, but the countries need their own sovereign borders, just like we have, and the ability to resolve their own problems.
If we want to continue to live in a free country we need to recognize that we have to get out of the middle east or the wars will drain our economy financially, we will have attacks on our soil in retribution to angry militia groups (the back and forth - we kill some, they retaliate).
All those other countries over there have loyalties to Russia and China. We just don't need to be at odds with either of those countries or any nuclear armed country. We need to just stay home and not get involved.
Cruz and all the others have vague ideas on how to deal with Isis. Education of the ummah is the key. Jihad is part of the religion, but the greatest jihad is the struggle against our own shortcomings. Correct jihad does not mean going to other countries and attacking them to force religion on them. Scholars, educators need to be involved in any peace process, multilaterally. Al Qaida would listen and discuss things, so would the Taliban, it is only Isis that does not want to hear any other opinions. There is still hope because other factions still exist, we need to stop obliterating the moderates.
We killed Mullah Omar's wife and young son in 2001 (by accident, the US thought Osama was at that location), did he react with assassinating anyone in Afghanistan out of vengeance? No. He was a man of understanding. He was a great Muslim.
Enough for now.
I have to wonder if they laugh when they see the news reports of our listing of how we rank those we kill.
The news today is we killed "the #2 man" - I wonder if they are sitting there saying, "#2 ? Hell that guy was #15 at best, those Americans are hilarious with this ranking system."
The fighters have different statuses among the others. #2 as they call him, was called Hajji Omar, and was well respected as a scholar and Afghan War veteran (from the 1980's Afghan War). He fought with many of the Pakistani fighters, after 2001, and went to Iraq to fight there as well. He was killed in Syria by what we now call the Expeditionary Task Force, which is a group like the Seal Teams, that go in on specific missions usually to kill or capture people on the hit list.
We keep assassinating fighters and they keep launching attacks.
The fighters have different statuses among the others. #2 as they call him, was called Hajji Omar, and was well respected as a scholar and Afghan War veteran (from the 1980's Afghan War). He fought with many of the Pakistani fighters, after 2001, and went to Iraq to fight there as well. He was killed in Syria by what we now call the Expeditionary Task Force, which is a group like the Seal Teams, that go in on specific missions usually to kill or capture people on the hit list.
We keep assassinating fighters and they keep launching attacks.
You sound like PR person writing a bio for the back of a sports card.
He is respected by no one except for the same dogs that he cowardly fought with. If you respect him then you respect a murderer of both Muslims and non-Muslims. For a scholar, he certainly was a dumb twisted piece of sh*t.
Hope they blew his F'n Head clear off his shoulders.
That is precisely the reason why ISIS keep on attacking. However, no countries will just sit and do nothing after the attack.
Basically, if the people in those countries want freedom, they need to rise up and fight for it themselves. We can't do it for them and hold their hand. They have to want it and be willing to pay the price that it takes.
I could not agree more. They have to want it, they have to die for it, lose sons in the name and belief in freedom as a right. I believe the Bush Administration's lack of ability to grasp this concept is the answer to the question / title of this thread.
I have to wonder if they laugh when they see the news reports of our listing of how we rank those we kill.
The news today is we killed "the #2 man" - I wonder if they are sitting there saying, "#2 ? Hell that guy was #15 at best, those Americans are hilarious with this ranking system."
LOL...I've lost track of the number of #2 men we've killed since the "War on Terror" began. There have been a lot of them. Speaking of ranking them, remember during the Iraq war when the U.S military came out with a set of playing cards, each card featuring a high ranking Iraqi official. Saddam was the ace of spades and it went down from there.
I have to wonder if they laugh when they see the news reports of our listing of how we rank those we kill.
The news today is we killed "the #2 man" - I wonder if they are sitting there saying, "#2 ? Hell that guy was #15 at best, those Americans are hilarious with this ranking system."
LOL...I've lost track of the number of #2 men we've killed since the "War on Terror" began. There have been a lot of them. Speaking of ranking them, remember during the Iraq war when the U.S military came out with a set of playing cards, each card featuring a high ranking Iraqi official. Saddam was the ace of spades and it went down from there.
I can tell you that the Obama administration has killed FAR more high-level AQ operatives than the Bush Administration ever did, in far more locations around the world - and that is an indisputable fact. No matter what the right wing echo chamber spews....
Every time I see one of these guys listed as a Number 2, I wonder if that is a way of calling them a piece of sh*t.
I have to wonder if they laugh when they see the news reports of our listing of how we rank those we kill.
The news today is we killed "the #2 man" - I wonder if they are sitting there saying, "#2 ? Hell that guy was #15 at best, those Americans are hilarious with this ranking system."
LOL...I've lost track of the number of #2 men we've killed since the "War on Terror" began. There have been a lot of them. Speaking of ranking them, remember during the Iraq war when the U.S military came out with a set of playing cards, each card featuring a high ranking Iraqi official. Saddam was the ace of spades and it went down from there.
I can tell you that the Obama administration has killed FAR more high-level AQ operatives than the Bush Administration ever did, in far more locations around the world - and that is an indisputable fact. No matter what the right wing echo chamber spews....
I'm not sure if you read something into my post that caused that response, but I did not intend to make any inference regarding Bush vs Obama. I was only commenting about the way we rank people we kill or capture in the hierarchy of terroris organizations.
I suppose if a foreign army came to the USA and killed farmers for the control of their crops, it would piss off some people here too ? The dynamic between the two is here the crop is food and there it is opium. The similarities between these current conflicts and Vietnam is astounding. I don't really call it war in the traditional sense because in real war the military isn't limited on how they get to use the weapons at their disposal and the targets, be it military/civilian/industrial are not cherry picked. It just sucks al the way around that people are dying and we as Americans for the most part, are the ones playing the victim by pointing fingers at those of certain political affiliations. When in reality there is plenty of blame to go around regardless of whatever flag is being waved at election time.
I suppose if a foreign army came to the USA and killed farmers for the control of their crops, it would piss off some people here too ? The dynamic between the two is here the crop is food and there it is opium. The similarities between these current conflicts and Vietnam is astounding. I don't really call it war in the traditional sense because in real war the military isn't limited on how they get to use the weapons at their disposal and the targets, be it military/civilian/industrial are not cherry picked. It just sucks al the way around that people are dying and we as Americans for the most part, are the ones playing the victim by pointing fingers at those of certain political affiliations. When in reality there is plenty of blame to go around regardless of whatever flag is being waved at election time.
I thought there were rules in all wars, even real ones. Isn't that how people get tried for "war crimes"?
The fighters have different statuses among the others. #2 as they call him, was called Hajji Omar, and was well respected as a scholar and Afghan War veteran (from the 1980's Afghan War). He fought with many of the Pakistani fighters, after 2001, and went to Iraq to fight there as well. He was killed in Syria by what we now call the Expeditionary Task Force, which is a group like the Seal Teams, that go in on specific missions usually to kill or capture people on the hit list.
We keep assassinating fighters and they keep launching attacks.
You sound like PR person writing a bio for the back of a sports card.
He is respected by no one except for the same dogs that he cowardly fought with. If you respect him then you respect a murderer of both Muslims and non-Muslims. For a scholar, he certainly was a dumb twisted piece of sh*t.
Hope they blew his F'n Head clear off his shoulders.
They killed him, and in retaliation, Muslims blow the heads and legs off Europeans and others in their attacks. Do you think we need religious cleansing to kill all Muslims to make sure we are safe? People don't have answers beyond killing people from the other side. We are in a full blown religious war. In our own country, God is attacked, laws are implemented that violate the guidance/laws he gave to Jews, Christians, and Muslims.
Isis actually plans to dethrone the Saudis and to go there via Iraq, it's an inconvenient truth and coincidence we gave them the ability to do that by taking out Saddam. They want to dismantle the Kaaba. They believe Islam has become idolatrous and they will attack other Muslims also.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/01/isis-destroy-kaaba-mecca_n_5547635.html
[There is prophecy from 1300 years ago that this would happen and it would be one of the signs that we are entering the times I have referred to as the End Times.] Many things will happen according to prophecy, Pakistan will attack India. The situation between them has always been tense, so much so that Pakistan has soldiers on the Siachen Glacier, where it is said only the best of friends or the worst of enemies come by. The policy is if they don't know them, shoot first and ask questions never.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1141375
http://www.siachenglacier.com/
There is also prophecy that the army that is able to do this would be unstoppable and Isis may be that army. If they are THAT army, they will attack Rome and be successful in taking down the Vatican and the Pope and directly attacking Catholocism. The only ones who will maintain their faith are one branch of Jews, one branch of Christians, one branch of Muslims.
http://islam.about.com/od/mecca/p/kaaba.htm
If we stayed out of Muslim lands, things would not be as they are now. But the prophecies will be fulfilled, and yes Jesus will return, this time he will be a Syrian, and when he goes out to slay the anti-Christ, he will be heading out from Syria. [at least the story has a happy ending!]
[Edited on 3/29/2016 by gina]
I thought there were rules in all wars, even real ones. Isn't that how people get tried for "war crimes"?
If you can't see the difference between how they fought WWI/WWII as opposed to Korea, Vietnam, and both Gulf conflicts. I do not know what to tell you. We as a nation had the ability to wipe all those countries off the face of the earth, permanently... and done without the use the nuclear weapons. We didn't. I bet your reason as to why has to do with "war crimes" or whatever and not greed, power, and the whole smoke and mirror scenario used by the powers that be.
More Americans died in inner city gang violence than in Afghanistan & Iraq, but look at their civilian causalities and it paints a different picture. Still most Americans care less about the casualties on both fronts. In America, they re only gang bangers and in the Middle East, it is only some Muslim farmers and desert dwelling nomads. As long as we get Obama Care, cheap gas, an artificially stimulated economy to give us a false sense of peace, security, prosperity, and last but not least...that modern American nuance of entitlement. It's all good !
I have to wonder if they laugh when they see the news reports of our listing of how we rank those we kill.
The news today is we killed "the #2 man" - I wonder if they are sitting there saying, "#2 ? Hell that guy was #15 at best, those Americans are hilarious with this ranking system."
LOL...I've lost track of the number of #2 men we've killed since the "War on Terror" began. There have been a lot of them. Speaking of ranking them, remember during the Iraq war when the U.S military came out with a set of playing cards, each card featuring a high ranking Iraqi official. Saddam was the ace of spades and it went down from there.
I can tell you that the Obama administration has killed FAR more high-level AQ operatives than the Bush Administration ever did, in far more locations around the world - and that is an indisputable fact. No matter what the right wing echo chamber spews....
I'm not sure if you read something into my post that caused that response, but I did not intend to make any inference regarding Bush vs Obama. I was only commenting about the way we rank people we kill or capture in the hierarchy of terroris organizations.
Nope, Bob - my comment was in no way a refutation of anything you had posted. I respect your opinions greatly and and am almost always in agreement with everything you say. I was just making a "pre-emptive strike" against the inevitable anti-Obama BS promulgated by the right that Obama has been "soft on terror" and that we "are less safe" because he doesn't have the sack to go after "the terrorists", whoever they are.
The facts indisputably refute this.
I suppose if a foreign army came to the USA and killed farmers for the control of their crops, it would piss off some people here too ? The dynamic between the two is here the crop is food and there it is opium. The similarities between these current conflicts and Vietnam is astounding. I don't really call it war in the traditional sense because in real war the military isn't limited on how they get to use the weapons at their disposal and the targets, be it military/civilian/industrial are not cherry picked. It just sucks al the way around that people are dying and we as Americans for the most part, are the ones playing the victim by pointing fingers at those of certain political affiliations. When in reality there is plenty of blame to go around regardless of whatever flag is being waved at election time.
I thought there were rules in all wars, even real ones. Isn't that how people get tried for "war crimes"?
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What rules and who made them?
The Geneva Conventions apply to wars between countries and therefore do not pertain to the current version of terrorism.
Of course there is the United Nations but they are too busy raping women in Africa.
