to better , more affordable health care coverage. i am confident market forces will be brought into play, such as competition, choice, customizable plans will lead to lower cost of care . Lets face it, Obama care's central tenant of income redistribution was flawed and not enough to sustain it without massive gov subsidies.
lol, you are gonna pay higher taxes for the high risk pools
although is no way this passes the senate without amendments
and then is no way the house passes it after that
but ok
[Edited on 5/5/2017 by LeglizHemp]
in the mean time Trump will not support the ACA and will grant exemptions or not fund certain things
LOL welcome to .....the machine
[Edited on 5/5/2017 by LeglizHemp]
we'll see what happens. if its as bad as what the dems are saying than in two years things will change at the ballot box.
Democrats will trot out the "Throw grandma off a cliff" rhetoric now. Hope we can get past this and get down to real change.
LOL, ok
Hope you or somebody you care about doesn't have preexisting conditions Goober, or else you will be spending a lot of time at funerals.
i talked to a friend tonight....who isn't as well off as me. i talked to him last night also and he told me he took my advice, i had no idea what he ment. tonight i asked him what i said. it has been 2 years since i spoke to him. back then it was obama this and obama that......i guess i told him to quit worrying about what radio or tv or gov't is saying and to worry about himself. he controls his life, not them. anyhow since then his life has improved drastically and he has less stress. i don't take credit for that but.....sometimes i think we all need to remember that? lol...not sure if any of us believe what i said....just sharing a story
to better , more affordable health care coverage. i am confident market forces will be brought into play, such as competition, choice, customizable plans will lead to lower cost of care . Lets face it, Obama care's central tenant of income redistribution was flawed and not enough to sustain it without massive gov subsidies.
Make sure you understand what the preexisting conditions are...
When you get down to it, President Trump doesn't care either way. Anything that President Obama supported, he's against. It is his way of selling himself. Like the writer to the L.A. Times opinion section wrote, he is a "ruthless self promoter".
If this passes in the Senate, a person with a preexisting mental illness will be able to buy a gun but not health insurance. Way to go, GOP!!!! You are true 'Mericans.
If this passes in the Senate, a person with a preexisting mental illness will be able to buy a gun but not health insurance. Way to go, GOP!!!! You are true 'Mericans.
Making America Great Again...for the top 1%. Screw everybody else.
Just some of the pre existing conditions.
AIDS/HIV, acid reflux, acne, ADD, addiction, Alzheimer's/dementia, anemia, aneurysm, angioplasty, anorexia, anxiety, arrhythmia, arthritis, asthma, atrial fibrillation, autism, bariatric surgery, basal cell carcinoma, ipolar disorder, blood clot, breast cancer, bulimia, bypass surgery, celiac disease, cerebral aneurysm, cerebral embolism, cerebral palsy, cerebral thrombosis, cervical cancer, colon cancer, colon polyps, congestive heart failure, COPD, Crohn's disease, cystic fibrosis, DMD, depression, diabetes, disabilities, Down syndrome, eating disorder, enlarged prostate, epilepsy, glaucoma, gout, heart disease, heart murmur, heartburn, hemophilia, hepatitis C, herpes, high cholesterol, hypertension, hysterectomy, kidney disease, kidney stones, kidney transplant, leukemia, lung cancer, lupus, lymphoma, mental health issues, migraines, MS, muscular dystrophy, narcolepsy, nasal polyps, obesity, OCD, organ transplant, osteoporosis, pacemaker, panic disorder, paralysis, paraplegia, Parkinson's disease, pregnancy, restless leg syndrome, schizophrenia, seasonal affective disorder, seizures, sickle cell disease, skin cancer, sleep apnea, sleep disorders, stent, stroke, thyroid issues, tooth disease, tuberculosis, ulcers.
to better , more affordable health care coverage. i am confident market forces will be brought into play, such as competition, choice, customizable plans will lead to lower cost of care . Lets face it, Obama care's central tenant of income redistribution was flawed and not enough to sustain it without massive gov subsidies.
Bet you read as many pages of the bill as those voting for it?
It wasn't even scored by the CBO, and those morons in the House voted for something they had no idea of cost nor impact. Even saw some on TV admit to it. Representation at its best. More interested in a photo op at the White House than the constituents back home and those who will get screwed if this poor piece of legislation is actualized. 2018 around the corner.
Wonder if those who chanted "build that wall" & "lock her up" will get hosed over with their insurance?
whether any of us like it or not.....30% of the country does. {gerrymandering} and that was enough to get er done. just remember this won't pass into law so don't upset yourself
ROFLMFAO.....Trump said this evening....Australia has a better health care system than the bill that was passed.......................ROFLMFAO
The man has Alzheimers
All lives matter.
Isn't that right, Goob?
We just don't know what things are going to look like in the Senate, in a final bill (assuming they can get one) and in reality. It could be worse than predicted, it could be better in reality, or it could be about what people expect.
At any rate, there are trickle down effects, but in terms of votes in the next election cycle, there again, it may or may not have the huge impact some think it may.
Some 155 million Americans get their insurance through their employers. 72% of full time workers under 65 get their insurance through their employer. 55 million people are insured through medicare. There could be impacts for these people in the AHCA and ensuing legislation out of the Senate, but it may not be significant impact to make these people storm the voting booths in anger.
Then you have 76 million people on medicaid, some of whom had medicaid before the ACA expansion and others who got is as a direct result of ACA. Plus the 11million people who are on state run ACA exchanges. These are the people are at the greatest risk of something adverse to happening, but even as the CBO said, of the 14 million who will lose coverage in the first year of the AHCA "most will be because they do not want it and only bought it because of the penalty".
Energized groups can have impacts in elections and in close races it doesn't take many votes to swing a district or a state. But to say that the Democrats are going to win back the House because of this, the jury is still out on that one I think.
We just don't know what things are going to look like in the Senate, in a final bill (assuming they can get one) and in reality. It could be worse than predicted, it could be better in reality, or it could be about what people expect.
At any rate, there are trickle down effects, but in terms of votes in the next election cycle, there again, it may or may not have the huge impact some think it may.
Some 155 million Americans get their insurance through their employers. 72% of full time workers under 65 get their insurance through their employer. 55 million people are insured through medicare. There could be impacts for these people in the AHCA and ensuing legislation out of the Senate, but it may not be significant impact to make these people storm the voting booths in anger.
Then you have 76 million people on medicaid, some of whom had medicaid before the ACA expansion and others who got is as a direct result of ACA. Plus the 11million people who are on state run ACA exchanges. These are the people are at the greatest risk of something adverse to happening, but even as the CBO said, of the 14 million who will lose coverage in the first year of the AHCA "most will be because they do not want it and only bought it because of the penalty".
Energized groups can have impacts in elections and in close races it doesn't take many votes to swing a district or a state. But to say that the Democrats are going to win back the House because of this, the jury is still out on that one I think.
Pretty much agree with what you posted.
A lot of the impact at the ballot box depends upon turnout. Off prez cycle elections tend to draw less interest. However, it seems that since the "self promoter" has been been elected, there appears to be almost a protest of the week and marches against the king & his proposed policies. Only time will tell if the discontent other than his rabid base turns into a change in political representation.
One thing - There seems to be a significant amount of anger against the loss of health insurance coverage. Even those who have private insurance and employer coverage seem to be compassionate about this issue. On balance, we are a caring nation and concerned that our government lead by an out of touch supposed billionaire and a congress with great medical coverage would screw our brethren and then run to the White House for a group hug celebration of "ending" the GOP hated ACA.
We just don't know what things are going to look like in the Senate, in a final bill (assuming they can get one) and in reality. It could be worse than predicted, it could be better in reality, or it could be about what people expect.
At any rate, there are trickle down effects, but in terms of votes in the next election cycle, there again, it may or may not have the huge impact some think it may.
Some 155 million Americans get their insurance through their employers. 72% of full time workers under 65 get their insurance through their employer. 55 million people are insured through medicare. There could be impacts for these people in the AHCA and ensuing legislation out of the Senate, but it may not be significant impact to make these people storm the voting booths in anger.
Then you have 76 million people on medicaid, some of whom had medicaid before the ACA expansion and others who got is as a direct result of ACA. Plus the 11million people who are on state run ACA exchanges. These are the people are at the greatest risk of something adverse to happening, but even as the CBO said, of the 14 million who will lose coverage in the first year of the AHCA "most will be because they do not want it and only bought it because of the penalty".
Energized groups can have impacts in elections and in close races it doesn't take many votes to swing a district or a state. But to say that the Democrats are going to win back the House because of this, the jury is still out on that one I think.
Pretty much agree with what you posted.
A lot of the impact at the ballot box depends upon turnout. Off prez cycle elections tend to draw less interest. However, it seems that since the "self promoter" has been been elected, there appears to be almost a protest of the week and marches against the king & his proposed policies. Only time will tell if the discontent other than his rabid base turns into a change in political representation.
One thing - There seems to be a significant amount of anger against the loss of health insurance coverage. Even those who have private insurance and employer coverage seem to be compassionate about this issue. On balance, we are a caring nation and concerned that our government lead by an out of touch supposed billionaire and a congress with great medical coverage would screw our brethren and then run to the White House for a group hug celebration of "ending" the GOP hated ACA.
The GOP doesn't care. That's pretty obvious.
If this passes in the Senate, a person with a preexisting mental illness will be able to buy a gun but not health insurance. Way to go, GOP!!!! You are true 'Mericans.
In order for someone who is mentally ill to not be able to purchase a firearm they first must be legally adjudged to be mentally ill. They have to be found mentally incompetent and confined by order of the court. A person who voluntarily admits themselves for observation has not been declared mentally incompetent and can still purchase firearms.
Doesn't matter if this passes or not, that's been the law for many decades.
to better , more affordable health care coverage. i am confident market forces will be brought into play, such as competition, choice, customizable plans will lead to lower cost of care . Lets face it, Obama care's central tenant of income redistribution was flawed and not enough to sustain it without massive gov subsidies.
I hate to burst your bubble but health care in general (including insurance and drug company profits, salaries for providers, revenue for hospitals, clinics, adult homes, research facilities, etc.) in this nation has been sustained for decades by massive government subsidies. Part of the idiocy, political rhetoric, ignorance, etc. surrounding this entire debate is because much of the electorate doesn't understand this simple fact and thus are conned into thinking any adjustment or addition of such subsidy is somehow NOW socialized healthcare.
The truth is we've had it for the lifetime of every one on this board and probably 99% of the living population of this country. The real debate is the degree to which we continue the subsidies....But don't pretend the ACA was the first legislation to require a subsidy.
[Edited on 5/6/2017 by Chain]
This is a well written piece about what could happen in the Senate
There are things I do support the Trump administration's view on. However, unfortunately for everyone I suspect, he has fallen into the Republican base's hands on this. Not that I think a Republican led reform of health care is necessarily or always bad, just as I do not think that a Democrat led reform of health care is bad and must be avoided.
With something so complicated and intertwined in so many different aspects of life, it is something that demands people from both sides of the political spectrum come together and put a system in place that some collection of Congressmen and woman greater than 51% can support.
The hope of Trump being a person who could do that has not materialized. Sure, when you run on "repealing Obamacare immediately", he wasn't going to make any new friends on the left with that comment. However, it is his prior comments and I assume actual thoughts on the subject that could've led one to hope for some kind of ability to pull people from both sides together to get a little bit of what they want. Far right Republicans and far left Democrats may not have supported the presumed actual end result, but moderates on both sides could've lead the way. But that is not what the Republicans wanted and it is not what the Democrats wanted and so we get what we've always gotten R vs D politics where image and the perception of team victories rules the day. To whatever extent Trump is or was 'different' than the typical Republican party line on a host of issues, on this one, he's merely a team player rather than a deal maker.
Trump's past comments on health care:
During his short-lived flirtation with a 2000 Reform Party presidential bid, Trump supported universal health care without ambiguity, and he voiced support for a single-payer system in several instances.
• "If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over. ... I believe in universal healthcare," Trump told CNN’s Larry King in October 1999.
• "I would put forth a comprehensive health care program and fund it with an increase in corporate taxes, " Trump told The Advocate right before he dropped out of the race in February 2000.
The billionaire’s 2000 book The America We Deserve makes a strong pitch for universal health care.
"I’m a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one," Trump wrote. "We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by health care expenses. We must not allow citizens with medical problems to go untreated because of financial problems or red tape."
When he turned to how the country might achieve universal coverage, Trump focused like a laser beam on a Canadian-style, single-payer plan. He said it would eliminate many billions of dollars of overhead.
"The Canadian plan also helps Canadians live longer and healthier than America," he wrote. "We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing."
Ever the pragmatist, Trump noted change would not happen overnight.
"While we work out details of a new single-payer plan, there are a number of ways to make the health care system now in place work more efficiently," Trump wrote.
So, it’s fair to say that in 2000, Trump supported a Canadian-style health care plan.
By 2011, his views had changed. As he contemplated a presidential bid, he told the audience at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, D.C., that "I will fight to end Obamacare and replace it with something that makes sense for people in business and not bankrupt the country."
What changed?
Because when you are a Republican you can't have those view. Party politics banishing independent thought to fit the mold. Silly me for hoping for something different.
Just some of the pre existing conditions.
AIDS/HIV, acid reflux, acne, ADD, addiction, Alzheimer's/dementia, anemia, aneurysm, angioplasty, anorexia, anxiety, arrhythmia, arthritis, asthma, atrial fibrillation, autism, bariatric surgery, basal cell carcinoma, ipolar disorder, blood clot, breast cancer, bulimia, bypass surgery, celiac disease, cerebral aneurysm, cerebral embolism, cerebral palsy, cerebral thrombosis, cervical cancer, colon cancer, colon polyps, congestive heart failure, COPD, Crohn's disease, cystic fibrosis, DMD, depression, diabetes, disabilities, Down syndrome, eating disorder, enlarged prostate, epilepsy, glaucoma, gout, heart disease, heart murmur, heartburn, hemophilia, hepatitis C, herpes, high cholesterol, hypertension, hysterectomy, kidney disease, kidney stones, kidney transplant, leukemia, lung cancer, lupus, lymphoma, mental health issues, migraines, MS, muscular dystrophy, narcolepsy, nasal polyps, obesity, OCD, organ transplant, osteoporosis, pacemaker, panic disorder, paralysis, paraplegia, Parkinson's disease, pregnancy, restless leg syndrome, schizophrenia, seasonal affective disorder, seizures, sickle cell disease, skin cancer, sleep apnea, sleep disorders, stent, stroke, thyroid issues, tooth disease, tuberculosis, ulcers.
WTF in Capital Letters. I wonder if Donald has read it, or if the Congressmen are trying to throw him under the bus telling him yes, yes, yes they approved the plan, and blowing smoke up his kilt!
Just some of the pre existing conditions.
AIDS/HIV, acid reflux, acne, ADD, addiction, Alzheimer's/dementia, anemia, aneurysm, angioplasty, anorexia, anxiety, arrhythmia, arthritis, asthma, atrial fibrillation, autism, bariatric surgery, basal cell carcinoma, ipolar disorder, blood clot, breast cancer, bulimia, bypass surgery, celiac disease, cerebral aneurysm, cerebral embolism, cerebral palsy, cerebral thrombosis, cervical cancer, colon cancer, colon polyps, congestive heart failure, COPD, Crohn's disease, cystic fibrosis, DMD, depression, diabetes, disabilities, Down syndrome, eating disorder, enlarged prostate, epilepsy, glaucoma, gout, heart disease, heart murmur, heartburn, hemophilia, hepatitis C, herpes, high cholesterol, hypertension, hysterectomy, kidney disease, kidney stones, kidney transplant, leukemia, lung cancer, lupus, lymphoma, mental health issues, migraines, MS, muscular dystrophy, narcolepsy, nasal polyps, obesity, OCD, organ transplant, osteoporosis, pacemaker, panic disorder, paralysis, paraplegia, Parkinson's disease, pregnancy, restless leg syndrome, schizophrenia, seasonal affective disorder, seizures, sickle cell disease, skin cancer, sleep apnea, sleep disorders, stent, stroke, thyroid issues, tooth disease, tuberculosis, ulcers.
WTF in Capital Letters. I wonder if Donald has read it, or if the Congressmen are trying to throw him under the bus telling him yes, yes, yes they approved the plan, and blowing smoke up his kilt!
Trump said it was a great healthcare bill. How could he say that if he didn't read it? And if he didn't read it, that means he lied. Trump isn't being thrown under the bus by anyone. He steps off the curb every time he sees a bus.
I wonder if Donald has read it
126 pages? Um, no. He doesn't have an attention span that long. (Not an insult, this is well-documented)
I questioned if he read it because he has been adamant that he wants pre-existing conditions covered. So why weren't they? They must be trying to pull the wool over his eyes. Shame on all of them!
I questioned if he read it because he has been adamant that he wants pre-existing conditions covered. So why weren't they? They must be trying to pull the wool over his eyes. Shame on all of them!
Really? So you're playing the blame game just like the king does?
Not like he doesn't have a team and advisors who can't read and interpret for him.
The emperor is more concerned with a 1/2 victory lap than what's in the bill or doing a 180 on this or any other campaign stance he took.
Everything to him is competition - win or lose. He regards a House vote in his favor as a victory regardless of who gets f'ed. What's in the "beautiful bill that will provide more coverage with cheaper premiums & lower deductibles" 😛 is inconsequential to him.
With the opposition he is getting in Washington, any victory is very sweet for him. I do not think he will accept a bill that limits pre-existing conditions, the Senate said they will come up with their own bill, and then the negotiating will begin. Hopefully Trump can bring them all together.
He already got the debt ceiling problem put off till September when Congress returns from their summer break, the govt. did not have to go into shut down mode. He is addressing many big problems almost simultaneously.
With the opposition he is getting in Washington, any victory is very sweet for him. I do not think he will accept a bill that limits pre-existing conditions, the Senate said they will come up with their own bill, and then the negotiating will begin. Hopefully Trump can bring them all together.
He already got the debt ceiling problem put off till September when Congress returns from their summer break, the govt. did not have to go into shut down mode. He is addressing many big problems almost simultaneously.
Russia - Trump team connections & Putin going wild? How is he addressing these issues?
