So Obamacare is the reason the economy has not grown to meet expectations? And what pro growth policies should he have enacted which would have stimulated growth?

Start by removing barriers to new business formation, expansion, hiring. Form a panel consisting of business people and government officials to start a review of all government regulatory activities. Make a cost vs benefit determination whether each regulation does more harm than good and start scrapping the ones that fit that description. That would have been a good start IMO.

So Obamacare is the reason the economy has not grown to meet expectations? And what pro growth policies should he have enacted which would have stimulated growth?

Start by removing barriers to new business formation, expansion, hiring. Form a panel consisting of business people and government officials to start a review of all government regulatory activities. Make a cost vs benefit determination whether each regulation does more harm than good and start scrapping the ones that fit that description. That would have been a good start IMO.

Another Republican who claims to want less government calling for more government.

And you believe Obama is responsible for a poor recovery and that a poor recovery is worst than no recovery at all.

Got it.

They didn't listen to the public; who was clamoring for economic relief, more jobs, higher wages -- not a massive health care bill. They still aren't listening.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/12/03/president_obama_blew_it_--_again_124834.html

Yeah sure the ACA is to blame for everything that is currently not working in America as opposed to the fact that the GOP has stonewalled this administrations every attempt to stimulate the economy.

I am still waiting for Conservatives here to explain what exactly Obama and the Democrats have done to block economic growth? To date I have not seen anything but empty accusations and false statements that Obama has been a failure.

But I can offer an article which shows how the GOP has basically fought every attempt by the Democrats to pass bills which would stimulate the economy and benefit the middle class. And instead of dismissing the article because it comes from a left wing liberal source how about challenging the contents if you don't agree with it for a change.

http://ourfuture.org/20140923/the-cost-to-our-economy-from-republican-obstruction-and-sabotage

No, that's OK. I keep forgetting that Barack Obama is not responsible or accountable for anything. It's all the GOP's fault. Always is, nothing new here.

No, that's OK. I keep forgetting that Barack Obama is not responsible or accountable for anything. It's all the GOP's fault. Always is, nothing new here.

It's everybody's fault. The Democrats cannot show how they will pay for the programs they want money to keep running. The Republicans have no other solutions other than to say just cut the programs till we have a balanced budget. The States all look to the feds for money to run their programs, and we the people just keep getting the stick.

All of the above mentioned entities ought to look at states that are managing their own resources, budgets and programs for their people and try to learn something from them. One of the Gubernatorial candidates in NY suggested that NYS form it's own state bank, which could give better rates for loans for capital projects. GREAT IDEA. States need to take charge of their own people. The fed should be respomsible for national security, managing international trade and have less of a role to play in state functions. That's why things are the way they are.

Foreign policy needs to change. We need to stop doling out international aide to make other countries our bitches. Let them manage themselves, if we don't, they will ban together and screw us into insolvency, they don't have to use the dollar to do trade deals. They have many things in their arsenals including gold and oil. Foreign investers with private equity investers are quietly buying up American companies. It started with NAFTA. Jobs were outsourced overseas etc. etc. A UK firm just bought a coal mine in West Virginia. American businesses should be owned by Americans......

No, that's OK. I keep forgetting that Barack Obama is not responsible or accountable for anything. It's all the GOP's fault. Always is, nothing new here.

I know this is a tongue-in-cheek response, but it is also is exactly why gridlock exists. Too much "it's not us, it's them" finger pointing and blame game all the way around.

No, that's OK. I keep forgetting that Barack Obama is not responsible or accountable for anything. It's all the GOP's fault. Always is, nothing new here.

I know this is a tongue-in-cheek response, but it is also is exactly why gridlock exists. Too much "it's not us, it's them" finger pointing and blame game all the way around.

Slightly tongue in cheek....Maybe.

The last two lines are not, though. The three constants in an ever-changing universe? Death, taxes, and it's the GOP's fault. Dependable as the rising of the Sun.

No, that's OK. I keep forgetting that Barack Obama is not responsible or accountable for anything. It's all the GOP's fault. Always is, nothing new here.

It's everybody's fault. The Democrats cannot show how they will pay for the programs they want money to keep running. The Republicans have no other solutions other than to say just cut the programs till we have a balanced budget. The States all look to the feds for money to run their programs, and we the people just keep getting the stick.

All of the above mentioned entities ought to look at states that are managing their own resources, budgets and programs for their people and try to learn something from them. One of the Gubernatorial candidates in NY suggested that NYS form it's own state bank, which could give better rates for loans for capital projects. GREAT IDEA. States need to take charge of their own people. The fed should be respomsible for national security, managing international trade and have less of a role to play in state functions. That's why things are the way they are.

Foreign policy needs to change. We need to stop doling out international aide to make other countries our bitches. Let them manage themselves, if we don't, they will ban together and screw us into insolvency, they don't have to use the dollar to do trade deals. They have many things in their arsenals including gold and oil. Foreign investers with private equity investers are quietly buying up American companies. It started with NAFTA. Jobs were outsourced overseas etc. etc. A UK firm just bought a coal mine in West Virginia. American businesses should be owned by Americans......

I don't disagree with you on the stalemate in Washington you are overstating the IMPACT of NAFTA and how much we spend on foreign aid.

NAFTA is not the problem with jobs going overseas as the majority were exported to Asia and we spend less than 2% of the Federal budget on economic and military aid.

The bloated U.S. Military budget spending dwarfs foreign aid spending and we out spend the next 10 countries combined by a wide margin.

If you want to pinpoint an area to cut the Military is the first place Washington should consider but that is political suicide so don't hold your breath.

http://magazine.good.is/infographics/infographic-u-s-military-spending-versus-foreign-aid#open

[Edited on 12/4/2014 by Bill_Graham]

No, that's OK. I keep forgetting that Barack Obama is not responsible or accountable for anything. It's all the GOP's fault. Always is, nothing new here.

I know this is a tongue-in-cheek response, but it is also is exactly why gridlock exists. Too much "it's not us, it's them" finger pointing and blame game all the way around.

Slightly tongue in cheek....Maybe.

The last two lines are not, though. The three constants in an ever-changing universe? Death, taxes, and it's the GOP's fault. Dependable as the rising of the Sun.

You are making my point. Some cry foul because they think the GOP is unfairly blamed for everything, and others cry foul because they think the Dems (and for the last 6 years, Obama specifically) are unfairly blamed for everything. And it just goes on and on until both sides are so dug in there is nothing left to do but keep on pointing fingers. It's a vicious, self-propelling cycle.

[Edited on 12/4/2014 by gondicar]

No, that's OK. I keep forgetting that Barack Obama is not responsible or accountable for anything. It's all the GOP's fault. Always is, nothing new here.

I know this is a tongue-in-cheek response, but it is also is exactly why gridlock exists. Too much "it's not us, it's them" finger pointing and blame game all the way around.

Slightly tongue in cheek....Maybe.

The last two lines are not, though. The three constants in an ever-changing universe? Death, taxes, and it's the GOP's fault. Dependable as the rising of the Sun.

So you deny that the GOP has opposed basically everything the Obama Administration has tried to accomplish the past 6 years?

[Edited on 12/4/2014 by Bill_Graham]

No, that's OK. I keep forgetting that Barack Obama is not responsible or accountable for anything. It's all the GOP's fault. Always is, nothing new here.

I know this is a tongue-in-cheek response, but it is also is exactly why gridlock exists. Too much "it's not us, it's them" finger pointing and blame game all the way around.

Slightly tongue in cheek....Maybe.

The last two lines are not, though. The three constants in an ever-changing universe? Death, taxes, and it's the GOP's fault. Dependable as the rising of the Sun.

So you deny that the GOOP has opposed basically everything the Obama Administration has tried to accomplish the past 6 years?

No, that's OK. I keep forgetting that Barack Obama is not responsible or accountable for anything. It's all the GOP's fault. Always is, nothing new here.

I know this is a tongue-in-cheek response, but it is also is exactly why gridlock exists. Too much "it's not us, it's them" finger pointing and blame game all the way around.

Slightly tongue in cheek....Maybe.

The last two lines are not, though. The three constants in an ever-changing universe? Death, taxes, and it's the GOP's fault. Dependable as the rising of the Sun.

So you deny that the GOP has opposed basically everything the Obama Administration has tried to accomplish the past 6 years?

I am asking simple question gondicar. I don't believe for a minute that Obama has been perfect and that it is all the GOPs fault but how can anyone deny that the GOP has opposed basically everything his administration has tried to accomplish the past 6 years?

I don't deny that both parties are complicit in the Washington gridlock but that is not the point I am responding to.

I merely am responding to conservatives claim that Obama is a failure and he is responsible for the slow recovery of the economy when it is much more complex then simple political differences.

No, that's OK. I keep forgetting that Barack Obama is not responsible or accountable for anything. It's all the GOP's fault. Always is, nothing new here.

I know this is a tongue-in-cheek response, but it is also is exactly why gridlock exists. Too much "it's not us, it's them" finger pointing and blame game all the way around.

Slightly tongue in cheek....Maybe.

The last two lines are not, though. The three constants in an ever-changing universe? Death, taxes, and it's the GOP's fault. Dependable as the rising of the Sun.

So you deny that the GOP has opposed basically everything the Obama Administration has tried to accomplish the past 6 years?

I am asking simple question gondicar. I don't believe for a minute that Obama has been perfect and that it is all the GOPs fault but how can anyone deny that the GOP has opposed basically everything his administration has tried to accomplish the past 6 years?

I don't deny that both parties are complicit in the Washington gridlock but that is not the point I am responding to.

I merely am responding to conservatives claim that Obama is a failure and he is responsible for the slow recovery of the economy when it is much more complex then simple political differences.

I get it, I really do. But it is the kind of question/conversation that doesn't move the needle. At all. IMO.

I do it too so not in a glass house here, and I don't have the answer, but I just wish we could get past the partisanship and be asking a completely different set of questions.

No, that's OK. I keep forgetting that Barack Obama is not responsible or accountable for anything. It's all the GOP's fault. Always is, nothing new here.

I know this is a tongue-in-cheek response, but it is also is exactly why gridlock exists. Too much "it's not us, it's them" finger pointing and blame game all the way around.

Slightly tongue in cheek....Maybe.

The last two lines are not, though. The three constants in an ever-changing universe? Death, taxes, and it's the GOP's fault. Dependable as the rising of the Sun.

So you deny that the GOP has opposed basically everything the Obama Administration has tried to accomplish the past 6 years?

I am asking simple question gondicar. I don't believe for a minute that Obama has been perfect and that it is all the GOPs fault but how can anyone deny that the GOP has opposed basically everything his administration has tried to accomplish the past 6 years?

I don't deny that both parties are complicit in the Washington gridlock but that is not the point I am responding to.

I merely am responding to conservatives claim that Obama is a failure and he is responsible for the slow recovery of the economy when it is much more complex then simple political differences.

I get it, I really do. But it is the kind of question/conversation that doesn't move the needle. At all. IMO.

I do it too so not in a glass house here, and I don't have the answer, but I just wish we could get past the partisanship and be asking a completely different set of questions.

I understand but that is what we do here yes? We debate topics for which there is no solution.

Our current political system is broken as both parties are owned by big business with no fix in sight.

[Edited on 12/4/2014 by Bill_Graham]