Being that they throw gay people off buildings, seems like gay marriage would. Maybe it would be wise to keep that out of their face. They provoke pretty easy.

Are you saying that Geller's cartoon event was an act of peace and love like a gay wedding?

I've never attended a cartoon contest in person, but I would imagine they're not known for bloodthirstiness. Just guessing.

If they are more violent or dangerous that's news to me, but they could be like hell on Earth as far as I know.

Being that they throw gay people off buildings, seems like gay marriage would. Maybe it would be wise to keep that out of their face. They provoke pretty easy.

Like I said, the United States needs to stand up to Sharia Law just like we stood up to South Africa's apartheid.

Now that the Republicans are in the leadership, do you think they might make that stand?

This thread just got dog crap stupid

As well as offering more unfortunate evidence that it truly is a world gone mad.

If someone offends you, never mind any responsibility of controlling yourself-- just start shooting. And if there's a problem, just say "look what they made me do."

 

If someone offends you, never mind any responsibility of controlling yourself-- just start shooting. And if there's a problem, just say "look what they made me do."

Exactly and in this country, with our laws and values, the excuse that you were provoked, just does not fly. You have to walk away and hiding behind the veil of what your religion does not allow is just horsesh*t.

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If someone offends you, never mind any responsibility of controlling yourself-- just start shooting. And if there's a problem, just say "look what they made me do."

Exactly and in this country, with our laws and values, the excuse that you were provoked, just does not fly. You have to walk away and hiding behind the veil of what your religion does not allow is just horsesh*t.

I guess I'm missing it... could you please show me anywhere in this thread where people supported the killers? And if I did it, PLEASE, show me that.

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If someone offends you, never mind any responsibility of controlling yourself-- just start shooting. And if there's a problem, just say "look what they made me do."

Exactly and in this country, with our laws and values, the excuse that you were provoked, just does not fly. You have to walk away and hiding behind the veil of what your religion does not allow is just horsesh*t.

I guess I'm missing it... could you please show me anywhere in this thread where people supported the killers? And if I did it, PLEASE, show me that.

I guess it is me who is "Missing it"...this thread reads like this to me:

"Oh those gosh darn people who showed up to the event with guns intending to commit murder, but you know what really chafes me?....The woman who provoked them with cartoons knowing it would drive them to kill, she is so foolish and self-centered; I wish everybody thought like me and I just don't understand people who do not. If you can't see that she is the problem, then you are part of the problem, because those Muslims would not have been so upset if she had not pushed their buttons. Not all Muslims are bad and would not have traveled all that distance to kill if she had just not held that event"

Chewbacca: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrgh!
C-3PO: He made a fair move. Screaming about it can't help you.
Han Solo: Let him have it. It's not wise to upset a Wookiee.
C-3PO: But sir, nobody worries about upsetting a droid.
Han Solo: That's 'cause droids don't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they lose. Wookiees are known to do that.
Chewbacca: Grrf.
C-3PO: I see your point, sir. I suggest a new strategy, R2: let the Wookiee win.

Got it Big V.

I just didn't see anyone write this:

I guess it is me who is "Missing it"...this thread reads like this to me:

"Oh those gosh darn people who showed up to the event with guns intending to commit murder, but you know what really chafes me?....The woman who provoked them with cartoons knowing it would drive them to kill, she is so foolish and self-centered; I wish everybody thought like me and I just don't understand people who do not. If you can't see that she is the problem, then you are part of the problem, because those Muslims would not have been so upset if she had not pushed their buttons. Not all Muslims are bad and would not have traveled all that distance to kill if she had just not held that event"

Except you.

My belief is that the Muslim community has to stand up against the terrorist, against Sharia Law and they need to be moved into the current century. There are plenty of peace loving, non-murdering terrorist. They need to become the voice of their own religion.

The rest of the world has to stand up to Sharia Law. The United States has got to cut ties with countries that do embrace Sharia Law. I'm sure sanctions on Saudia Arabia would make a difference. Maybe that should have been our move immediately after 9/11.

Until then, I don't plan on drawing cartoons of Muhammed. I don't see the point. Just like I wouldn't call somebody's fat, ignorant kid a dumb ass. I don't gain anything by being a mean prick. I don't like mean pricks. Geller's motivation was too be a mean prick.

What I'm hearing is you saying is I like reprehensible people that stir up crap by being crass and mean and nasty.

I guess what you don't like watching it the reaction to their vile behavior.

I don't like either.

From above post....

There are plenty of peace loving, non-murdering terrorist

I know what you meant BB (I think) it just reads funny.

A big reason the focus here is not on the lunatics V is because you keep referring to Geller's actions as an "opinion" which is like labeling a person who has a anti-Semitic or racist cartoon drawing contest not as a racist it's just someone with an opinion.

Do you get that point?

From above post....

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There are plenty of peace loving, non-murdering terrorist

I know what you meant BB (I think) it just reads funny.

Wow. 😛 I meant plenty of peace loving, non-murdering Muslims. Thanks for pointing that out drumz!

For whomever asked for a reason why Pam Geller is considered a racist bigot (beyond the Momhamid cartoon contest-which seems like the equivalent of organizing an anti-Semitic cartoon contest in some ways) Geller is the person behind those NYC subway ads that said "Islamic Jew Hatred: it's in the Quran!" with a picture of Hitler sitting with an Arab. I find anti-Semitic and events like Hellers vile.

How do you feel about the Jew hatred that is in the Qran?

Respectfully Muleman, Pam Geller is a race-baiter. How is this a free speech issue? No one is saying she doesn't have the right to say this stuff so please explain how this is a free speech problem.

Am I supposed to go defend neo-nazis for holding a holocaust-celebration and ridicule people who condemn them because they have a right to free speech?

The ACLU did back in the 70's because free speech is pretty close to absolute.

Still not sure I understand, but on the groups you mentioned here is what I think: 1) I think anti-semetic and and the type of anti-christian behavior you are referring to is equally as vile and reprehensible as Pam Geller and 2) like Pam Geller's bile it is, and should be, protected speech.

There are comments on this thread and in the media that seem to have confused the issue of supporting Pam Geller's RIGHT to say bigoted culture-baiting things with supporting WHAT Geller is saying/doing. Two separate issues. She CAN say what she wants but WHAT she is saying is hate-baiting on the level of the worst racism and ought to be condemned.

The confusion on this point seems to be why a vile bigot like Pam Geller is an issue here. [/quote

When someone is physically attacked or threatened over their expression, I tend to want to support them even if I disagree with the content of the expression just because I don't want to see any hecklers vetoes.

 

Still not sure I understand, but on the groups you mentioned here is what I think: 1) I think anti-semetic and and the type of anti-christian behavior you are referring to is equally as vile and reprehensible as Pam Geller and 2) like Pam Geller's bile it is, and should be, protected speech.

There are comments on this thread and in the media that seem to have confused the issue of supporting Pam Geller's RIGHT to say bigoted culture-baiting things with supporting WHAT Geller is saying/doing. Two separate issues. She CAN say what she wants but WHAT she is saying is hate-baiting on the level of the worst racism and ought to be condemned.

The confusion on this point seems to be why a vile bigot like Pam Geller is an issue here.

We're in agreement here. I think some of the confusion stems from 1) most agree she, and anyone else for that matter, have the right to freely express those opinions; 2) most here do not agree with her opinions; and 3) there seems to be a difference of opinion as to whether her expressing her opinion causes others to respond with violence, or that she should not express an opinion that others might respond to with violence. I am of the opinion that her free expression does not cause others to respond with violence, that others choose violence as a response, and the responsibility for that choice resides solely with those making it. I do not believe people should withhold their opinions because someone else might not like them, even if I am not in agreement with those opinions or find them offensive or tasteless.

Well put. Thank you.

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Let's not forget the Christians who kill people who work in clinics and threaten planned parenthood.

What is the equivalent slur to a Christian as drawing Mohammed is to a Muslim?

I guess that would be to draw Jesus. That would be about as even as you could get.

Is there somewhere in the bible that says you can't draw pictures of Jesus? What is an Christian affront on par with the Muslim belief? I don't think there is one.

I find it offensive that people who do not believe in our way of life (which means the tolerance of free expression among other things) expect us to adhere to THEIR way of life. I find that hughly offensive. And I find those who out of a misguided sense of political correctness, feel the need to defend them, highly offensive.

Being that they throw gay people off buildings, seems like gay marriage would. Maybe it would be wise to keep that out of their face. They provoke pretty easy.

Like I said, the United States needs to stand up to Sharia Law just like we stood up to South Africa's apartheid.

Now that the Republicans are in the leadership, do you think they might make that stand?

No. They didn't when Bush was in the White House. This fear of offending Islam is insidious and needs to stop at some point.

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If someone offends you, never mind any responsibility of controlling yourself-- just start shooting. And if there's a problem, just say "look what they made me do."

Exactly and in this country, with our laws and values, the excuse that you were provoked, just does not fly. You have to walk away and hiding behind the veil of what your religion does not allow is just horsesh*t.

I guess I'm missing it... could you please show me anywhere in this thread where people supported the killers? And if I did it, PLEASE, show me that.

Saying Geller was "reckless". Drinking and driving is reckless. Shooting a gun into the air is reckless. Leaving a dog locked in a car with the window rolled up is reckless. Leading a cartoon contest for the purpose of making a (proven) point about the deep intolerance of Islam is not reckless, it is provacative free epxression which is perfectly and totally appropriate. Any Muslim who chooses to live in this country MUST be prepared for this kind of provocation or they should leave. In their own countries, blasphemy laws can protect their delicate sensibilities.

A big reason the focus here is not on the lunatics V is because you keep referring to Geller's actions as an "opinion" which is like labeling a person who has a anti-Semitic or racist cartoon drawing contest not as a racist it's just someone with an opinion.

Do you get that point?

It's racist to point out that Islam has a serious problem with tolerance towards Jews, Christians and anyone else? I think not. Racist would be to say something like " Muslims are stupid and incapable of rational thought. Their genetics make it impossible for them to undserstand higher concepts like toelrance and pluralism. Therefore we must walk on eggshells around them and be very careful not to offend them because their genetics make them muchmore likely to go bezerk." That would be racist.

I am growing increasingly disturbed at the level of agreement I am having with dougrhon on this thread.

Damn near offensive.

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If someone offends you, never mind any responsibility of controlling yourself-- just start shooting. And if there's a problem, just say "look what they made me do."

Exactly and in this country, with our laws and values, the excuse that you were provoked, just does not fly. You have to walk away and hiding behind the veil of what your religion does not allow is just horsesh*t.

I guess I'm missing it... could you please show me anywhere in this thread where people supported the killers? And if I did it, PLEASE, show me that.

Saying Geller was "reckless". Drinking and driving is reckless. Shooting a gun into the air is reckless. Leaving a dog locked in a car with the window rolled up is reckless. Leading a cartoon contest for the purpose of making a (proven) point about the deep intolerance of Islam is not reckless, it is provocative free expression which is perfectly and totally appropriate. Any Muslim who chooses to live in this country MUST be prepared for this kind of provocation or they should leave. In their own countries, blasphemy laws can protect their delicate sensibilities.

Boom!

I guess what you don't like watching is the reaction to their vile behavior. I don't like either.

We are in agreement here. There is no excuse, none.

Leading a cartoon contest for the purpose of making a (proven) point about the deep intolerance of Islam is not reckless, it is provocative free expression which is perfectly and totally appropriate.

Would you prefer all the anti-Jewish bigots in this country and across the globe would somehow learn to respect the religion and treat Jews with respect? Would you prefer that these bigots cease their verbal assaults on the religion? It's within my right to blame everything on the Jews, but is that attitude something we should embrace because of free speech? Or would you support the right to say it, but condemn the content?

A big reason the focus here is not on the lunatics V is because you keep referring to Geller's actions as an "opinion" which is like labeling a person who has a anti-Semitic or racist cartoon drawing contest not as a racist it's just someone with an opinion.

Do you get that point?

It's racist to point out that Islam has a serious problem with tolerance towards Jews, Christians and anyone else? I think not. Racist would be to say something like " Muslims are stupid and incapable of rational thought. Their genetics make it impossible for them to undserstand higher concepts like toelrance and pluralism. Therefore we must walk on eggshells around them and be very careful not to offend them because their genetics make them muchmore likely to go bezerk." That would be racist.

To respond to your point here, I used the Analogy of rascism ("is LIKE labeling" not "is exactly the same thing as") to illustrate how deeply bigotted Geller's event is to many muslims (and non-muslims for that matter). "Hate speech" is clearly not demonstrative enough as you and several others seem to think this sort of thing is simply an "opinion" that is "offensive." Like racism, this is beyond simply "offensive." Also, SIMILAR to racism, you say here "Islam has a serious problem with tolerance towards Jews" not "radical Islamicists" thus judging the entirety of a group of people based on the actions a small segment and deeming them all anti-semetic.

As far as "Jew hatred that is in the Quaran" I am sure you can find a segment of Christians who will explain to you which part of the Bible justified the bombing of abortion clinics, burning people at the stake, the Spanish Inquisitions and all the other abominable thing lunatics do and have done. I couldn't tell you their "logic" any more that I could tell you what that nut that shot up Geller's event or others like him are thinking. I can tell you the majority of people in the world, regardless of their faith, are not interested in psychotic activities.

As far as I can tell, ALL of us have 1) condemned the shooters and 2) agree that Geller has the right to say this stuff as vile as it is.

What I find really disturbing it seems that you, V and others seem to recoil and avoid the question when asked to name Geller's event for what it is: pure bigotry. Do you agree that this was a bigotted hate-rally? Or do you actually think this was some sort of art contest or "Free Speech" statement?

I guess what you don't like watching is the reaction to their vile behavior. I don't like either.

We are in agreement here. There is no excuse, none.

I think we all agree with that. At least I do. That's not the issue.

The issue IMO is that having a right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. I can believe what she did was wrong, even though it was her right to do it. Goes without saying that what the attackers did was wrong. And condemning her actions does not condone the attackers, or vice versa. It's not an either/or, it's more like two wrongs not making a right.

I guess what you don't like watching is the reaction to their vile behavior. I don't like either.

We are in agreement here. There is no excuse, none.

I think we all agree with that. At least I do. That's not the issue.

The issue IMO is that having a right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. I can believe what she did was wrong, even though it was her right to do it. Goes without saying that what the attackers did was wrong. And condemning her actions does not condone the attackers, or vice versa. It's not an either/or, it's more like two wrongs not making a right.

But lets look at the result. Two terrorists were taken out and will never harm anybody. Nobody is talking about that. This cartoon contest could have saved no telling how many innocent lives. Maybe two wrongs DID make a right.

I guess what you don't like watching is the reaction to their vile behavior. I don't like either.

We are in agreement here. There is no excuse, none.

I think we all agree with that. At least I do. That's not the issue.

The issue IMO is that having a right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. I can believe what she did was wrong, even though it was her right to do it. Goes without saying that what the attackers did was wrong. And condemning her actions does not condone the attackers, or vice versa. It's not an either/or, it's more like two wrongs not making a right.

But lets look at the result. Two terrorists were taken out and will never harm anybody. Nobody is talking about that. This cartoon contest could have saved no telling how many innocent lives. Maybe two wrongs DID make a right.

Was the NFL behind this sting operation as well?

I guess what you don't like watching is the reaction to their vile behavior. I don't like either.

We are in agreement here. There is no excuse, none.

I think we all agree with that. At least I do. That's not the issue.

The issue IMO is that having a right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. I can believe what she did was wrong, even though it was her right to do it. Goes without saying that what the attackers did was wrong. And condemning her actions does not condone the attackers, or vice versa. It's not an either/or, it's more like two wrongs not making a right.

But lets look at the result. Two terrorists were taken out and will never harm anybody. Nobody is talking about that. This cartoon contest could have saved no telling how many innocent lives. Maybe two wrongs DID make a right.

Was the NFL behind this sting operation as well?

What I want to know is whether or not alloak'a lobotomy was covered by Obamacare.

I guess what you don't like watching is the reaction to their vile behavior. I don't like either.

We are in agreement here. There is no excuse, none.

I think we all agree with that. At least I do. That's not the issue.

The issue IMO is that having a right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. I can believe what she did was wrong, even though it was her right to do it. Goes without saying that what the attackers did was wrong. And condemning her actions does not condone the attackers, or vice versa. It's not an either/or, it's more like two wrongs not making a right.

But lets look at the result. Two terrorists were taken out and will never harm anybody. Nobody is talking about that. This cartoon contest could have saved no telling how many innocent lives. Maybe two wrongs DID make a right.

Was the NFL behind this sting operation as well?

The risk of hurting someone's feelings vs. Two dead terrorists

I'll take the latter. Looks like a win to me.

I guess what you don't like watching is the reaction to their vile behavior. I don't like either.

We are in agreement here. There is no excuse, none.

I think we all agree with that. At least I do. That's not the issue.

The issue IMO is that having a right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. I can believe what she did was wrong, even though it was her right to do it. Goes without saying that what the attackers did was wrong. And condemning her actions does not condone the attackers, or vice versa. It's not an either/or, it's more like two wrongs not making a right.

But lets look at the result. Two terrorists were taken out and will never harm anybody. Nobody is talking about that. This cartoon contest could have saved no telling how many innocent lives. Maybe two wrongs DID make a right.

Was the NFL behind this sting operation as well?

The risk of hurting someone's feelings vs. Two dead terrorists

I'll take the latter. Looks like a win to me.

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