The confusion on this point seems to be why a vile bigot like Pam Geller is an issue here.
No confusion at all. I draw the line at killing over things you disagree with. You draw your line at "provocation". I'll take "bigotry" over murder all day long.
Your comment here doesn't respond to the point I made at all which is I support Pam Geller's RIGHT to say the bigoted ithings she does but I do not AGREE with her bile.
So either a) you are confused or b) you are a bigot.
Based on your comments V I'm now of the opinion that you are a bigot. Feel free to explain why I am wrong. Or don't.
The confusion on this point seems to be why a vile bigot like Pam Geller is an issue here.
No confusion at all. I draw the line at killing over things you disagree with. You draw your line at "provocation". I'll take "bigotry" over murder all day long.
Your comment here doesn't respond to the point I made at all which is I support Pam Geller's RIGHT to say the bigoted ithings she does but I do not AGREE with her bile.
So either a) you are confused or b) you are a bigot.
Based on your comments V I'm now of the opinion that you are a bigot. Feel free to explain why I am wrong. Or don't.
Label me however you choose, I will loose no sleep over it. We disagree in principle. I have zero respect for those who have no tolerance for the way we in the USA live, breath, react and speak our minds or illustrate our sentiments. If doing so results in name calling, so be it. I see it like this, anyone who sees murder as the way to end any behavior they do not like is the scum of the Earth and is my enemy and I really do not give a rat's a** as to how they were provoked or for whatever reason, regardless of how "bile" or "bigoted" you may find it. Walk away, turn the other cheek, it is that simple.
Enjoy the day.
Still not sure I understand, but on the groups you mentioned here is what I think: 1) I think anti-semetic and and the type of anti-christian behavior you are referring to is equally as vile and reprehensible as Pam Geller and 2) like Pam Geller's bile it is, and should be, protected speech.
There are comments on this thread and in the media that seem to have confused the issue of supporting Pam Geller's RIGHT to say bigoted culture-baiting things with supporting WHAT Geller is saying/doing. Two separate issues. She CAN say what she wants but WHAT she is saying is hate-baiting on the level of the worst racism and ought to be condemned.
The confusion on this point seems to be why a vile bigot like Pam Geller is an issue here.
We're in agreement here. I think some of the confusion stems from 1) most agree she, and anyone else for that matter, have the right to freely express those opinions; 2) most here do not agree with her opinions; and 3) there seems to be a difference of opinion as to whether her expressing her opinion causes others to respond with violence, or that she should not express an opinion that others might respond to with violence. I am of the opinion that her free expression does not cause others to respond with violence, that others choose violence as a response, and the responsibility for that choice resides solely with those making it. I do not believe people should withhold their opinions because someone else might not like them, even if I am not in agreement with those opinions or find them offensive or tasteless.
Moving on then.
So either a) you are confused or b) you are a bigot.
Based on your comments V I'm now of the opinion that you are a bigot.
“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
William F. Buckley Jr.
The confusion on this point seems to be why a vile bigot like Pam Geller is an issue here.
No confusion at all. I draw the line at killing over things you disagree with. You draw your line at "provocation". I'll take "bigotry" over murder all day long.
Who says we have to choose? Personally, I reject them both.
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I do believe that the United States and the rest of the civilized world has to stand up to Sharia Law. It is barbaric, backward, and a massive human rights violation. Just like with South Africa we can lead in this regard. We should start with Saudia Arabia. We should use sanctions and boycotts to help them get out of the dark ages.
For those who read that there are people in this thread who support the murder over the antagonism of Geller... are you nuts? Nobody said that.
Thank you axeman for illustrating the point perfectly. It's amazing that some people here refuse to call her out for being reckless and ignorant. They will go to their grave before they ever admit such a thing.....but these same people have no problem calling out other Americans and insulting them with every name in the book for their role in our nation's problems. But if it's provoking Muslims.....then "yeeee haaa"! Says more about them then anything else.
It's amazing that some people here refuse to call her out for being reckless and ignorant.
Too funny. Is it even remotely possible that refusing has absolutely nothing to do with it? Perhaps, just perhaps, they do not and never will see it from the same angle as you.
Yes, that's obviously what it is. And I find it amazing that someone would go that route.
Yes, that's obviously what it is. And I find it amazing that someone would go that route.
Believe me, I am equally amazed.
Thank you axeman for illustrating the point perfectly. It's amazing that some people here refuse to call her out for being reckless and ignorant. They will go to their grave before they ever admit such a thing.....but these same people have no problem calling out other Americans and insulting them with every name in the book for their role in our nation's problems. But if it's provoking Muslims.....then "yeeee haaa"! Says more about them then anything else.
Do you feel this strongly about other religious groups being provoked? Christians, for instance?
Thank you axeman for illustrating the point perfectly. It's amazing that some people here refuse to call her out for being reckless and ignorant. They will go to their grave before they ever admit such a thing.....but these same people have no problem calling out other Americans and insulting them with every name in the book for their role in our nation's problems. But if it's provoking Muslims.....then "yeeee haaa"! Says more about them then anything else.
Do you feel this strongly about other religious groups being provoked? Christians, for instance?
What a dumb question.
Thank you axeman for illustrating the point perfectly. It's amazing that some people here refuse to call her out for being reckless and ignorant. They will go to their grave before they ever admit such a thing.....but these same people have no problem calling out other Americans and insulting them with every name in the book for their role in our nation's problems. But if it's provoking Muslims.....then "yeeee haaa"! Says more about them then anything else.
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Do you feel this strongly about other religious groups being provoked? Christians, for instance?
Yes. I will always oppose the person who handles conflict with anger and hostility, in any situation. That kind of behavior, while legal, is the cancer in our society. This isn't directed at you personally alloak, but if someone reads this comment and equates it with excusing the terrorists, then they should hit the books a little harder.
Do you feel this strongly about other religious groups being provoked? Christians, for instance?
Yes. I will always oppose the person who handles conflict with anger and hostility, in any situation. That kind of behavior, while legal, is the cancer in our society. This isn't directed at you personally alloak, but if someone reads this comment and equates it with excusing the terrorists, then they should hit the books a little harder.
I feel the same way about anyone who might take any of my comments as excusing Geller.
Thank you axeman for illustrating the point perfectly. It's amazing that some people here refuse to call her out for being reckless and ignorant. They will go to their grave before they ever admit such a thing.....but these same people have no problem calling out other Americans and insulting them with every name in the book for their role in our nation's problems. But if it's provoking Muslims.....then "yeeee haaa"! Says more about them then anything else.
Do you feel this strongly about other religious groups being provoked? Christians, for instance?
What a dumb question.
I would ask: "What is dumb about that inquiry"?......Is the criticism found here directed solely at what provokes Muslims into acts of violence?...Are they the only group at whom things like this have been directed in the past?.....I think not. It was asked earlier where the violent response was for Andres Serrano, or as I now ask, Robert Mapplethorpe?...None of these acts or "pieces of art" drove people to want to kill, or to silence by threat of Death, yet they fall under the same umbrella of attempting to elicit a response. Is the answer censorship? It is not going to stop just because some think we are above it. Perhaps if the threat of killing over ideas that were offensive to certain groups were to cease, the provocation would end as well.
The very same people that expend the most energy defending and/or sympathizing with Muslims don't seem to mind when Christians get ridiculed or provoked. On the contrary, they seem to be the chef practitioners of it.
This is odd. What gives Muslims special consideration over any other religious group?
Thank you axeman for illustrating the point perfectly. It's amazing that some people here refuse to call her out for being reckless and ignorant. They will go to their grave before they ever admit such a thing.....but these same people have no problem calling out other Americans and insulting them with every name in the book for their role in our nation's problems. But if it's provoking Muslims.....then "yeeee haaa"! Says more about them then anything else.
Do you feel this strongly about other religious groups being provoked? Christians, for instance?
What a dumb question.
I would ask: "What is dumb about that inquiry"?......Is the criticism found here directed solely at what provokes Muslims into acts of violence?...Are they the only group at whom things like this have been directed in the past?.....I think not. It was asked earlier where the violent response was for Andres Serrano, or as I now ask, Robert Mapplethorpe?...None of these acts or "pieces of art" drove people to want to kill, or to silence by threat of Death, yet they fall under the same umbrella of attempting to elicit a response. Is the answer censorship? It is not going to stop just because some think we are above it. Perhaps if the threat of killing over ideas that were offensive to certain groups were to cease, the provocation would end as well.
John Lennon received death threats for a number of years for his comments on Jesus. It's one of the reasons the Beatles stopped touring.
People who teach evolution get death threats all the time from Christians.
https://membracid.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/weekly-wtf-more-threats-by-creationists/
Muslims aren't that crazy about evolutionists either and have made threats in Europe.
Let's not forget the Christians who kill people who work in clinics and threaten planned parenthood.
What is the equivalent slur to a Christian as drawing Mohammed is to a Muslim?
Let's not forget the Christians who kill people who work in clinics and threaten planned parenthood.
So, does this mean that Planned Parenthood is provocative? Are they "Reckless and Ignorant"?
Let's not forget the Christians who kill people who work in clinics and threaten planned parenthood.
What is the equivalent slur to a Christian as drawing Mohammed is to a Muslim?
I guess that would be to draw Jesus. That would be about as even as you could get.
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Let's not forget the Christians who kill people who work in clinics and threaten planned parenthood.So, does this mean that Planned Parenthood is provocative? Are they "Reckless and Ignorant"?
Do you think so? Not by any measure do I think they are. Are you seriously comparing Planned Parenthood to Geller. Do you think Planned Parenthood is deliberately provoking people.
I've already said I support the first amendment right of Geller to say what she says and do what she does. She is a provocateur, fine. No I don't think Planned Parenthood is reckless and ignorant. Did I say Geller was?
This thread just got dog crap stupid.
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Let's not forget the Christians who kill people who work in clinics and threaten planned parenthood.What is the equivalent slur to a Christian as drawing Mohammed is to a Muslim?
I guess that would be to draw Jesus. That would be about as even as you could get.
Is there somewhere in the bible that says you can't draw pictures of Jesus? What is an Christian affront on par with the Muslim belief? I don't think there is one.
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Let's not forget the Christians who kill people who work in clinics and threaten planned parenthood.What is the equivalent slur to a Christian as drawing Mohammed is to a Muslim?
I guess that would be to draw Jesus. That would be about as even as you could get.
Is there somewhere in the bible that says you can't draw pictures of Jesus? What is an Christian affront on par with the Muslim belief? I don't think there is one.
So, just drawing Mohammed is offensive and brings the promise of death....What will offend them next?
No I don't think Planned Parenthood is reckless and ignorant. Did I say Geller was?
You,........... did not
What will offend them next?
I don't know. Why? Are you looking to piss some terrorist off?
This thread just got dog crap stupid
This.
What will offend them next?
Who knows, but there's a couple of wise guys in my neighborhood who are in the "waste management" business, and the last thing I'd ever do is walk up to them and call them a bunch of fat pigs.
Is the criticism found here directed solely at what provokes Muslims into acts of violence?
No, it's directed at the people who deliberately provoke them.
It was asked earlier where the violent response was for Andres Serrano, or as I now ask, Robert Mapplethorpe?...None of these acts or "pieces of art" drove people to want to kill, or to silence by threat of Death, yet they fall under the same umbrella of attempting to elicit a response. Is the answer censorship? It is not going to stop just because some think we are above it. Perhaps if the threat of killing over ideas that were offensive to certain groups were to cease, the provocation would end as well.
Really? People still provoke Christians despite their peaceful responses, so I guess we can throw that theory out the window.
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Let's not forget the Christians who kill people who work in clinics and threaten planned parenthood.
And let's not forget the Crusades. Relevant!
So, just drawing Mohammed is offensive and brings the promise of death....What will offend them next?
No I don't think Planned Parenthood is reckless and ignorant. Did I say Geller was?
You,........... did not
What will offend them next?
Being that they throw gay people off buildings, seems like gay marriage would. Maybe it would be wise to keep that out of their face. They provoke pretty easy.
Being that they throw gay people off buildings, seems like gay marriage would. Maybe it would be wise to keep that out of their face. They provoke pretty easy.
Are you saying that Geller's cartoon event was an act of peace and love like a gay wedding?
