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Muleman1994
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The Paris Agreement is just another failed Obama plan. It is no wonder that Obama never submitted it to The Senate for ratification. Other than the obvious fact that there was no way it would pass doing so would have exposed it to media scrutiny and the people would have learned of the details that the corrupt liberal media censored such as:

1.) It obligates the U.S. to pay hundreds of billions of dollars into a fund which The U.S. has no control.
2.) The agreement obligates The U.S. to adhere to emissions standards that are unachievable.
3.) The two most polluting countries, India and China are exempt from doing anything about their emissions issues until 2030 and after 2030 they agreed only to “begin considering” addressing the matter.
4.) The agreement has no enforcement provision what so ever.
5.) The agreement adopts as fact the falsified climate data given to John Kerry to present to the Paris group by Obama.

Those are just a few of the revelations the American People would have learned about the Paris Agreement which virtually no one has read and the corrupt liberal media hides.

Obama paid the so-called “green fund” a billion dollars. The other 195 countries have paid nothing.

India, in the agreement states that they will take no steps towards reducing their countries emissions until after they receive $2.5 Trillion dollars in aid.

The agreement is just another in a long line of failed negotiations by the Obama Administration equivalent to the Iran Nuclear Deal which gives Iran a clear path to nuclear weapons and gave access to hundreds of billions of dollars to the world’s biggest sponsor of terrorism.

The corrupt liberal media constantly says the other 195 nations, world leaders and climate activists are outraged with President Trump (for doing exactly what he said he was going to do).

What the corrupt liberal media doesn’t mention is that those countries and world leaders would have been the beneficiaries of America’s hundreds of billions of dollars and have no obligation to use those funds to reduce emissions in their countries. The agreement has no accountability.
There is no reason for The U.S. to participate in an agreement that would accomplish nothing.

President Trump put a stop to placating to the globalists, socialists, redistribution of wealth extremists and global warming freaks.

President Trump did what he was elected to do and the left-wing extremists are having another collective temper-tantrum. So, what else is new. They have nothing and predictably cry and stomp their feet and demonstrate their intellectual dishonesty.

I have listened to the left’s talking heads, environmental extremists and alike and not one has ever stated why the Paris Agreement is good for America.

Of course these are all lies. Here is the full text of the agreement:

https://www.technocracy.news/index.php/2015/12/16/full-text-paris-cop21-climate-change-agreement/

There is nothing in the agreement about India receiving 2.5 trillion in aid. The text is there. Find it if you can, which of course you can't because it is not there.

You also state that China and India are the two most polluting countries, which is false. The US emissions are twice as much as China's and 8 times more than India's. China and India are already working to curb their emissions. Trump, on the other hand, seems to be doing his best to have America increase ours.

You are full of crap.

The Indian negotiator stated their requirement for 2.5 Trillion in aid at the news briefing with John Kerry standing right next to him. The legitimate news organizations showed the video while the corrupt liberal media censored it.

The rest of your post is also crap. Pure boilerplate rhetoric from the global warming whack-jobs with no basis in fact nor any authentic source to back it up.

Al Gore was on Fox Sunday News this morning and could not explain why the unenforceable Paris Agreement is good for America.

It really doesn’t matter anyway.
President Trump did what The American People elected him to do and the left-wing extremists cannot do anything about it.


 
Posted : June 4, 2017 12:39 pm
2112
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The Paris Agreement is just another failed Obama plan. It is no wonder that Obama never submitted it to The Senate for ratification. Other than the obvious fact that there was no way it would pass doing so would have exposed it to media scrutiny and the people would have learned of the details that the corrupt liberal media censored such as:

1.) It obligates the U.S. to pay hundreds of billions of dollars into a fund which The U.S. has no control.
2.) The agreement obligates The U.S. to adhere to emissions standards that are unachievable.
3.) The two most polluting countries, India and China are exempt from doing anything about their emissions issues until 2030 and after 2030 they agreed only to “begin considering” addressing the matter.
4.) The agreement has no enforcement provision what so ever.
5.) The agreement adopts as fact the falsified climate data given to John Kerry to present to the Paris group by Obama.

Those are just a few of the revelations the American People would have learned about the Paris Agreement which virtually no one has read and the corrupt liberal media hides.

Obama paid the so-called “green fund” a billion dollars. The other 195 countries have paid nothing.

India, in the agreement states that they will take no steps towards reducing their countries emissions until after they receive $2.5 Trillion dollars in aid.

The agreement is just another in a long line of failed negotiations by the Obama Administration equivalent to the Iran Nuclear Deal which gives Iran a clear path to nuclear weapons and gave access to hundreds of billions of dollars to the world’s biggest sponsor of terrorism.

The corrupt liberal media constantly says the other 195 nations, world leaders and climate activists are outraged with President Trump (for doing exactly what he said he was going to do).

What the corrupt liberal media doesn’t mention is that those countries and world leaders would have been the beneficiaries of America’s hundreds of billions of dollars and have no obligation to use those funds to reduce emissions in their countries. The agreement has no accountability.
There is no reason for The U.S. to participate in an agreement that would accomplish nothing.

President Trump put a stop to placating to the globalists, socialists, redistribution of wealth extremists and global warming freaks.

President Trump did what he was elected to do and the left-wing extremists are having another collective temper-tantrum. So, what else is new. They have nothing and predictably cry and stomp their feet and demonstrate their intellectual dishonesty.

I have listened to the left’s talking heads, environmental extremists and alike and not one has ever stated why the Paris Agreement is good for America.

Of course these are all lies. Here is the full text of the agreement:

https://www.technocracy.news/index.php/2015/12/16/full-text-paris-cop21-climate-change-agreement/

There is nothing in the agreement about India receiving 2.5 trillion in aid. The text is there. Find it if you can, which of course you can't because it is not there.

You also state that China and India are the two most polluting countries, which is false. The US emissions are twice as much as China's and 8 times more than India's. China and India are already working to curb their emissions. Trump, on the other hand, seems to be doing his best to have America increase ours.

You are full of crap.

The Indian negotiator stated their requirement for 2.5 Trillion in aid at the news briefing with John Kerry standing right next to him. The legitimate news organizations showed the video while the corrupt liberal media censored it.

The rest of your post is also crap. Pure boilerplate rhetoric from the global warming whack-jobs with no basis in fact nor any authentic source to back it up.

Al Gore was on Fox Sunday News this morning and could not explain why the unenforceable Paris Agreement is good for America.

It really doesn’t matter anyway.
President Trump did what The American People elected him to do and the left-wing extremists cannot do anything about it.

The agreement does NOT state that period. You said it did. It doesn't. You LIED.

Now that we got that out of the way, if you would like to post a video link, I would be happy to watch it. However, it is not in the signed agreement, and India has come out saying that Trump's speech saying India was requiring billion in aid (not trillions as you stated) was not true.


 
Posted : June 4, 2017 12:58 pm
Muleman1994
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The Paris Agreement is just another failed Obama plan. It is no wonder that Obama never submitted it to The Senate for ratification. Other than the obvious fact that there was no way it would pass doing so would have exposed it to media scrutiny and the people would have learned of the details that the corrupt liberal media censored such as:

1.) It obligates the U.S. to pay hundreds of billions of dollars into a fund which The U.S. has no control.
2.) The agreement obligates The U.S. to adhere to emissions standards that are unachievable.
3.) The two most polluting countries, India and China are exempt from doing anything about their emissions issues until 2030 and after 2030 they agreed only to “begin considering” addressing the matter.
4.) The agreement has no enforcement provision what so ever.
5.) The agreement adopts as fact the falsified climate data given to John Kerry to present to the Paris group by Obama.

Those are just a few of the revelations the American People would have learned about the Paris Agreement which virtually no one has read and the corrupt liberal media hides.

Obama paid the so-called “green fund” a billion dollars. The other 195 countries have paid nothing.

India, in the agreement states that they will take no steps towards reducing their countries emissions until after they receive $2.5 Trillion dollars in aid.

The agreement is just another in a long line of failed negotiations by the Obama Administration equivalent to the Iran Nuclear Deal which gives Iran a clear path to nuclear weapons and gave access to hundreds of billions of dollars to the world’s biggest sponsor of terrorism.

The corrupt liberal media constantly says the other 195 nations, world leaders and climate activists are outraged with President Trump (for doing exactly what he said he was going to do).

What the corrupt liberal media doesn’t mention is that those countries and world leaders would have been the beneficiaries of America’s hundreds of billions of dollars and have no obligation to use those funds to reduce emissions in their countries. The agreement has no accountability.
There is no reason for The U.S. to participate in an agreement that would accomplish nothing.

President Trump put a stop to placating to the globalists, socialists, redistribution of wealth extremists and global warming freaks.

President Trump did what he was elected to do and the left-wing extremists are having another collective temper-tantrum. So, what else is new. They have nothing and predictably cry and stomp their feet and demonstrate their intellectual dishonesty.

I have listened to the left’s talking heads, environmental extremists and alike and not one has ever stated why the Paris Agreement is good for America.

Of course these are all lies. Here is the full text of the agreement:

https://www.technocracy.news/index.php/2015/12/16/full-text-paris-cop21-climate-change-agreement/

There is nothing in the agreement about India receiving 2.5 trillion in aid. The text is there. Find it if you can, which of course you can't because it is not there.

You also state that China and India are the two most polluting countries, which is false. The US emissions are twice as much as China's and 8 times more than India's. China and India are already working to curb their emissions. Trump, on the other hand, seems to be doing his best to have America increase ours.

You are full of crap.

The Indian negotiator stated their requirement for 2.5 Trillion in aid at the news briefing with John Kerry standing right next to him. The legitimate news organizations showed the video while the corrupt liberal media censored it.

The rest of your post is also crap. Pure boilerplate rhetoric from the global warming whack-jobs with no basis in fact nor any authentic source to back it up.

Al Gore was on Fox Sunday News this morning and could not explain why the unenforceable Paris Agreement is good for America.

It really doesn’t matter anyway.
President Trump did what The American People elected him to do and the left-wing extremists cannot do anything about it.

The agreement does NOT state that period. You said it did. It doesn't. You LIED.

Now that we got that out of the way, if you would like to post a video link, I would be happy to watch it. However, it is not in the signed agreement, and India has come out saying that Trump's speech saying India was requiring billion in aid (not trillions as you stated) was not true.

“The agreement does NOT state that period”
- What are you talking about?

If you didn’t see the video or it was censored by whatever is you source for information I am under no obligation to do research you are either too lazy or too stupid to do.

“India has come out saying that Trump's speech saying India was requiring billion in aid (not trillions as you stated) was not true.”

The billions president Trump was referring to was the payments to the so-called “Green Fund”. India had previously said they would do nothing until they received 2.5 Trillion in aid. What President Trump said was exactly right.

Try to keep your subject matter and related facts together. You seem confused again.

The entire point is still irrelevant, The Paris Agreement is now dead.

The eco-whackos loose again.

If the same eco-whackos spent as much energy as they do on whining on an alternative energy source that actually works they might gain some creditability and people might stop laughing at you.


 
Posted : June 4, 2017 3:47 pm
BoytonBrother
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The eco-whackos loose again.

"loose", LOL!!!!! What an idiot.


 
Posted : June 4, 2017 6:37 pm
2112
 2112
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Posts: 2464
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The Paris Agreement is just another failed Obama plan. It is no wonder that Obama never submitted it to The Senate for ratification. Other than the obvious fact that there was no way it would pass doing so would have exposed it to media scrutiny and the people would have learned of the details that the corrupt liberal media censored such as:

1.) It obligates the U.S. to pay hundreds of billions of dollars into a fund which The U.S. has no control.
2.) The agreement obligates The U.S. to adhere to emissions standards that are unachievable.
3.) The two most polluting countries, India and China are exempt from doing anything about their emissions issues until 2030 and after 2030 they agreed only to “begin considering” addressing the matter.
4.) The agreement has no enforcement provision what so ever.
5.) The agreement adopts as fact the falsified climate data given to John Kerry to present to the Paris group by Obama.

Those are just a few of the revelations the American People would have learned about the Paris Agreement which virtually no one has read and the corrupt liberal media hides.

Obama paid the so-called “green fund” a billion dollars. The other 195 countries have paid nothing.

India, in the agreement states that they will take no steps towards reducing their countries emissions until after they receive $2.5 Trillion dollars in aid.

The agreement is just another in a long line of failed negotiations by the Obama Administration equivalent to the Iran Nuclear Deal which gives Iran a clear path to nuclear weapons and gave access to hundreds of billions of dollars to the world’s biggest sponsor of terrorism.

The corrupt liberal media constantly says the other 195 nations, world leaders and climate activists are outraged with President Trump (for doing exactly what he said he was going to do).

What the corrupt liberal media doesn’t mention is that those countries and world leaders would have been the beneficiaries of America’s hundreds of billions of dollars and have no obligation to use those funds to reduce emissions in their countries. The agreement has no accountability.
There is no reason for The U.S. to participate in an agreement that would accomplish nothing.

President Trump put a stop to placating to the globalists, socialists, redistribution of wealth extremists and global warming freaks.

President Trump did what he was elected to do and the left-wing extremists are having another collective temper-tantrum. So, what else is new. They have nothing and predictably cry and stomp their feet and demonstrate their intellectual dishonesty.

I have listened to the left’s talking heads, environmental extremists and alike and not one has ever stated why the Paris Agreement is good for America.

Of course these are all lies. Here is the full text of the agreement:

https://www.technocracy.news/index.php/2015/12/16/full-text-paris-cop21-climate-change-agreement/

There is nothing in the agreement about India receiving 2.5 trillion in aid. The text is there. Find it if you can, which of course you can't because it is not there.

You also state that China and India are the two most polluting countries, which is false. The US emissions are twice as much as China's and 8 times more than India's. China and India are already working to curb their emissions. Trump, on the other hand, seems to be doing his best to have America increase ours.

You are full of crap.

The Indian negotiator stated their requirement for 2.5 Trillion in aid at the news briefing with John Kerry standing right next to him. The legitimate news organizations showed the video while the corrupt liberal media censored it.

The rest of your post is also crap. Pure boilerplate rhetoric from the global warming whack-jobs with no basis in fact nor any authentic source to back it up.

Al Gore was on Fox Sunday News this morning and could not explain why the unenforceable Paris Agreement is good for America.

It really doesn’t matter anyway.
President Trump did what The American People elected him to do and the left-wing extremists cannot do anything about it.

The agreement does NOT state that period. You said it did. It doesn't. You LIED.

Now that we got that out of the way, if you would like to post a video link, I would be happy to watch it. However, it is not in the signed agreement, and India has come out saying that Trump's speech saying India was requiring billion in aid (not trillions as you stated) was not true.

“The agreement does NOT state that period”
- What are you talking about?

If you didn’t see the video or it was censored by whatever is you source for information I am under no obligation to do research you are either too lazy or too stupid to do.

“India has come out saying that Trump's speech saying India was requiring billion in aid (not trillions as you stated) was not true.”

The billions president Trump was referring to was the payments to the so-called “Green Fund”. India had previously said they would do nothing until they received 2.5 Trillion in aid. What President Trump said was exactly right.

Try to keep your subject matter and related facts together. You seem confused again.

The entire point is still irrelevant, The Paris Agreement is now dead.

The eco-whackos loose again.

If the same eco-whackos spent as much energy as they do on whining on an alternative energy source that actually works they might gain some creditability and people might stop laughing at you.

The agreement says nothing about 2.5 trillion to India. I posted a link with the full text of the agreement. It's not there. If there is a video of India saying they won't do anything until they get that money, it is up to you to prove it. I don't believe it exists. If you want me to believe it does, then it is up to you to provide the evidence. Otherwise we can all assume you just pulled that out of your a $$.

By the way, if the US (or any other country) pulls out, it doesn't take effect for 4 years. I'm sure we'll have a different president by then.


 
Posted : June 4, 2017 7:03 pm
nebish
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The agreement doesn't state any of the individual country's goals and objectives.

India's goals and objectives along with financial resources to obtain those goals and objectives are summarized here:

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/here-are-indias-indc-objectives-and-how-much-it-will-cost/

Reduce emission intensity by 33 to 35 per cent by 2030 compared to 2005 levels

How:
Introduce new, more efficient and cleaner technologies in thermal power generation
Reducing emissions from transportation sector
Promote energy efficiency, mainly in industry, transportation, buildings and appliances
Develop climate resilient infrastructure
Pursue Zero Effect, Zero Defect policy under Make in India programme

Produce 40 per cent of electricity from non-fossil fuel based energy resources by 2030, if international community helps with technology transfer and low cost finance.

How:
Install 175 GW of solar, wind and biomass electricity by 2022, and scale up further in following years
Aggressively pursue development of hydropower
Achieve the target of 63 GW of installed nuclear power capacity by 2032

Create an additional carbon sink of 2.5 to 3 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalent by 2030 through additional forest and tree cover.

How:
Full implementation of Green India Mission and other programmes of afforestation
Develop 140,000 km long tree line on both sides of national highways

Develop robust adaptation strategies for agriculture, water and health sectors

How:
Redesign National Water Mission and National Mission on Sustainable Agriculture
Active implementation of ongoing programmes like National Initiative on Climate Resilient Agriculture, setting up of 100 mobile soil-testing laboratories, distribution of soil health cards to farmers.
Additional impetus on watershed development through Neeranchal scheme
Effective implementation of National Mission on Clean Ganga
Early formulation and implementation of National Health Mission
Complete Integrated Coastal Zone Management plan. Mapping and demarcation of coastal hazard lines

Money Matters

At least USD 2.5 trillion (at current prices) required between now and 2030 to implement all planned actions. USD 206 million required for adaptation actions. Much more needed for strengthening resilience and disaster management.
About USD 834 billion, at 2011 prices, required for mitigation actions till 2030.
A total of INR 170.84 billion collected through cess on coal production. Being used for funding clean energy projects
National Adaptation Fund has been created with initial allocation of Rs 3500 million
Tax free infrastructure bonds of INR 50 billion being introduced for funding renewable energy projects

Weather.com's news article on India's ratification of the agreement states:

Money will be a big challenge for India, which says it will require over $2.5 trillion to meet all of its targets. It says it will achieve the targets only if other countries give it money and discounts on new technology.
https://weather.com/news/news/india-ratifies-climate-change-pact-agreement

Further:

The Modi administration has called its commitment “ambitious but achievable,” but it cautions that the price tag of the entire INDC—including public and private sector investment—could be $2.5 trillion by 2030, far exceeding the resources of India’s government and domestic investors. As a result, India contends that successfully achieving its goals will require financial assistance and technology transfer from developed countries.
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The INDC emphasizes that since domestic financial resources will be insufficient, foreign financing will be essential. At the Paris negotiations in November and December 2015, India is expected to lobby strongly for developed countries to live up to a commitment they made at an earlier major round of talks, in Copenhagen in 2009, to provide $100 billion per year by 2020 to a Green Climate Fund for developing countries. Moreover, India’s INDC stresses the need to transfer clean energy technology from abroad, controversially insisting that these technologies be stripped of intellectual property rights to enable developing countries to deploy the technologies at low cost.
https://www.cfr.org/expert-brief/india-warms-climate-action

One can conclude, that India can only achieve their ambitious Paris Agreement goals with sufficient funding. The cost exceeds their government and private sector capabilities. So the funding comes from...?


 
Posted : June 5, 2017 4:48 am
nebish
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Interesting to see who has been funding the Green Climate Fund...and who hasn't.

http://www.greenclimate.fund/partners/contributors/resources-mobilized


 
Posted : June 5, 2017 4:54 am
Muleman1994
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Posts: 4923
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The Paris Agreement is just another failed Obama plan. It is no wonder that Obama never submitted it to The Senate for ratification. Other than the obvious fact that there was no way it would pass doing so would have exposed it to media scrutiny and the people would have learned of the details that the corrupt liberal media censored such as:

1.) It obligates the U.S. to pay hundreds of billions of dollars into a fund which The U.S. has no control.
2.) The agreement obligates The U.S. to adhere to emissions standards that are unachievable.
3.) The two most polluting countries, India and China are exempt from doing anything about their emissions issues until 2030 and after 2030 they agreed only to “begin considering” addressing the matter.
4.) The agreement has no enforcement provision what so ever.
5.) The agreement adopts as fact the falsified climate data given to John Kerry to present to the Paris group by Obama.

Those are just a few of the revelations the American People would have learned about the Paris Agreement which virtually no one has read and the corrupt liberal media hides.

Obama paid the so-called “green fund” a billion dollars. The other 195 countries have paid nothing.

India, in the agreement states that they will take no steps towards reducing their countries emissions until after they receive $2.5 Trillion dollars in aid.

The agreement is just another in a long line of failed negotiations by the Obama Administration equivalent to the Iran Nuclear Deal which gives Iran a clear path to nuclear weapons and gave access to hundreds of billions of dollars to the world’s biggest sponsor of terrorism.

The corrupt liberal media constantly says the other 195 nations, world leaders and climate activists are outraged with President Trump (for doing exactly what he said he was going to do).

What the corrupt liberal media doesn’t mention is that those countries and world leaders would have been the beneficiaries of America’s hundreds of billions of dollars and have no obligation to use those funds to reduce emissions in their countries. The agreement has no accountability.
There is no reason for The U.S. to participate in an agreement that would accomplish nothing.

President Trump put a stop to placating to the globalists, socialists, redistribution of wealth extremists and global warming freaks.

President Trump did what he was elected to do and the left-wing extremists are having another collective temper-tantrum. So, what else is new. They have nothing and predictably cry and stomp their feet and demonstrate their intellectual dishonesty.

I have listened to the left’s talking heads, environmental extremists and alike and not one has ever stated why the Paris Agreement is good for America.

Of course these are all lies. Here is the full text of the agreement:

https://www.technocracy.news/index.php/2015/12/16/full-text-paris-cop21-climate-change-agreement/

There is nothing in the agreement about India receiving 2.5 trillion in aid. The text is there. Find it if you can, which of course you can't because it is not there.

You also state that China and India are the two most polluting countries, which is false. The US emissions are twice as much as China's and 8 times more than India's. China and India are already working to curb their emissions. Trump, on the other hand, seems to be doing his best to have America increase ours.

You are full of crap.

The Indian negotiator stated their requirement for 2.5 Trillion in aid at the news briefing with John Kerry standing right next to him. The legitimate news organizations showed the video while the corrupt liberal media censored it.

The rest of your post is also crap. Pure boilerplate rhetoric from the global warming whack-jobs with no basis in fact nor any authentic source to back it up.

Al Gore was on Fox Sunday News this morning and could not explain why the unenforceable Paris Agreement is good for America.

It really doesn’t matter anyway.
President Trump did what The American People elected him to do and the left-wing extremists cannot do anything about it.

The agreement does NOT state that period. You said it did. It doesn't. You LIED.

Now that we got that out of the way, if you would like to post a video link, I would be happy to watch it. However, it is not in the signed agreement, and India has come out saying that Trump's speech saying India was requiring billion in aid (not trillions as you stated) was not true.

“The agreement does NOT state that period”
- What are you talking about?

If you didn’t see the video or it was censored by whatever is you source for information I am under no obligation to do research you are either too lazy or too stupid to do.

“India has come out saying that Trump's speech saying India was requiring billion in aid (not trillions as you stated) was not true.”

The billions president Trump was referring to was the payments to the so-called “Green Fund”. India had previously said they would do nothing until they received 2.5 Trillion in aid. What President Trump said was exactly right.

Try to keep your subject matter and related facts together. You seem confused again.

The entire point is still irrelevant, The Paris Agreement is now dead.

The eco-whackos loose again.

If the same eco-whackos spent as much energy as they do on whining on an alternative energy source that actually works they might gain some creditability and people might stop laughing at you.

The agreement says nothing about 2.5 trillion to India. I posted a link with the full text of the agreement. It's not there. If there is a video of India saying they won't do anything until they get that money, it is up to you to prove it. I don't believe it exists. If you want me to believe it does, then it is up to you to provide the evidence. Otherwise we can all assume you just pulled that out of your a $$.

By the way, if the US (or any other country) pulls out, it doesn't take effect for 4 years. I'm sure we'll have a different president by then.

The video was shown by almost all legitimate news organizations. It your only source for information censored it as the corrupt liberal media does regularly that is your problem.

You have yet to say why you believe The U.S. should remain in a non-binding agreement.
Without fixed goals, enforcement requirements and accountability why continue to be a partner to something that will accomplish nothing.


 
Posted : June 5, 2017 6:54 am
Jerry
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https:eelegal.org/press-release/?gclid=ClnOgKv_ptQCFQMcaQoduDOlhg

Scroll down and watch the video.


 
Posted : June 5, 2017 7:23 am
Jerry
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Posts: 1842
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https:eelegal.org/press-release/?gclid=ClnOgKv_ptQCFQMcaQoduDOlhg

Scroll down and watch the video.

More right wing bullsh!t from you jerry 😛 killer storms/floods and wild fires throughout the south hurt the most vulnerable. people not being able to pay their electric bill has to do with economic inequality.

So you think all the deaths reported by the European newspapers were bullshit? You are pathetic!!!!


 
Posted : June 5, 2017 8:12 am
Muleman1994
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So pops joins the ranks of the far-left extremists who cannot state why The U.S should have stayed in the non-binding Paris Agreement.

Yea, your group-think thing ain't working very well is it?

Do lets us know if you can ever justify Obama's failure.


 
Posted : June 5, 2017 4:35 pm
jkeller
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So pops joins the ranks of the far-left extremists who cannot state why The U.S should have stayed in the non-binding Paris Agreement.

Yea, your group-think thing ain't working very well is it?

Do lets us know if you can ever justify Obama's failure.

196 countries think he agreement is a good idea. Trump doesn't think that. Somehow, you think Trump is the smartest leader of any country on earth.

Remember when you were claiming that the rest of the world had no respect for Obama? How do you think they feel about Trump?


 
Posted : June 5, 2017 5:49 pm
nebish
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Posts: 4841
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So pops joins the ranks of the far-left extremists who cannot state why The U.S should have stayed in the non-binding Paris Agreement.

Yea, your group-think thing ain't working very well is it?

Do lets us know if you can ever justify Obama's failure.

I'll play.

Trump may be putting short term economic growth ahead of longer term global environmental health. Are the two mutually exclusive or can one positively impact the other? You tell me. Some might say that what is good for America is what is good for the Earth and therefore fighting climate change on an international scale does in deed help America, not specifically but collectively.

What I have steadfastly argued against through the years is giving preferential treatment to the #2 and #5-7 (depending who is counting) global economies (China and India) in any kind of deal, be it climate or trade. We are competitors with both these countries and emerging, developing, my ass. They already have advantages over our nation on trade and I do not want to do anything that further promotes their growth at the potential expense of our growth.


 
Posted : June 5, 2017 6:56 pm
Muleman1994
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Posts: 4923
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Information you won't find in the corrupt liberal media:

James Hansen, father of climate change awareness, calls Paris talks 'a fraud'

The former Nasa scientist criticizes the talks, intended to reach a new global deal on cutting carbon emissions beyond 2020, as ‘no action, just promises’

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/12/james-hansen-climate-change-paris-talks-fraud

CLIVE JAMES: CLIMATE ALARMISTS WON’T ADMIT THEY ARE WRONG

https://www.thegwpf.com/clive-james-climate-alarmists-wont-admit-they-are-wrong/

The cold facts about the Paris Agreement, global warming, & the Constitution

https://fabiusmaximus.com/2017/06/02/trump-repeals-paris-agreement/

Global Warming Computers Were Hacked To Produce Phony Data

http://yournewswire.com/global-warming-hacked-phony-data/


 
Posted : June 6, 2017 5:49 am
BrerRabbit
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Setting aside the ringside bluster of pointless arguments over climate change and politics, here is what is happening, right now, and what the USA is forfeiting:

Renewable, sustainable, and clean energy resource development will continue move forward in states that realize that these resources are necessary as well as an incalculably massive economic boom. As with any boom, the people who get there first will benefit the most, and become leaders in the production and export of the tecnology.

The USA, which has always been in the vanguard of technology, has now scrapped its position as a recognized world leader in development and implementation of renewable energy resource tech. Why should any country respect our position now that we stand with Syria in stonewalling the inevitable paradigm shift toward renewable energy? Quibbling over costs of the Paris accord is like dogs fighting under the table for crumbs, missing out on the banquet while the world economy gears up for massive technological development in the renewable energy field.

This is unfortunate for the USA, and particularly for backward states that do not have the foresight to take the initiative in investing in what is sure to become the single most lucrative industry the world has seen since the heyday of oil production.

We have ceded our claim to this new economic territory to China, and any country that wants a piece of the pie.

This is happening regardless of any arguments. Climate change, shlimate change, development of renewable energy is a gold rush, and the USA will not be first to the field. We are fools to relinquish our status as innovators, as we have elected to no longer set the standard for pioneering progress.

Sorry, can't post any links, these are just my own thoughts. Didn't pick this up from the news, just looking at the big picture.


 
Posted : June 6, 2017 11:08 am
MartinD28
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Setting aside the ringside bluster of pointless arguments over climate change and politics, here is what is happening, right now, and what the USA is forfeiting:

Renewable, sustainable, and clean energy resource development will continue move forward in states that realize that these resources are necessary as well as an incalculably massive economic boom. As with any boom, the people who get there first will benefit the most, and become leaders in the production and export of the tecnology.

The USA, which has always been in the vanguard of technology, has now scrapped its position as a recognized world leader in development and implementation of renewable energy resource tech. Why should any country respect our position now that we stand with Syria in stonewalling the inevitable paradigm shift toward renewable energy? Quibbling over costs of the Paris accord is like dogs fighting under the table for crumbs, while the world economy gears up for massive technological development in the renewable energy field.

This is unfortunate for the USA, and particularly for backward states that do not have the foresight to take the initiative in investing in what is sure to become the single most lucrative industry the world has seen since the heyday of oil production.

We have ceded our claim to this new economic territory to China, and any country that wants a piece of the pie.

This is happening regardless of any arguments. Climate change, shlimate change, development of renewable energy is a gold rush, and the USA will not be first to the field. We are fools to relinquish our status as innovators, as we have elected to no longer set the standard for pioneering progress.

Sorry, can't post any links, these are just my own thoughts. Didn't pick this up from the news, just looking at the big picture.

But Trump will lead the way in the USA with masses of jobs created in the coal industry...gazillions of jobs, the best jobs ever - that he can tell us.


 
Posted : June 6, 2017 11:08 am
Muleman1994
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Setting aside the ringside bluster of pointless arguments over climate change and politics, here is what is happening, right now, and what the USA is forfeiting:

Renewable, sustainable, and clean energy resource development will continue move forward in states that realize that these resources are necessary as well as an incalculably massive economic boom. As with any boom, the people who get there first will benefit the most, and become leaders in the production and export of the tecnology.

The USA, which has always been in the vanguard of technology, has now scrapped its position as a recognized world leader in development and implementation of renewable energy resource tech. Why should any country respect our position now that we stand with Syria in stonewalling the inevitable paradigm shift toward renewable energy? Quibbling over costs of the Paris accord is like dogs fighting under the table for crumbs, missing out on the banquet while the world economy gears up for massive technological development in the renewable energy field.

This is unfortunate for the USA, and particularly for backward states that do not have the foresight to take the initiative in investing in what is sure to become the single most lucrative industry the world has seen since the heyday of oil production.

We have ceded our claim to this new economic territory to China, and any country that wants a piece of the pie.

This is happening regardless of any arguments. Climate change, shlimate change, development of renewable energy is a gold rush, and the USA will not be first to the field. We are fools to relinquish our status as innovators, as we have elected to no longer set the standard for pioneering progress.

Sorry, can't post any links, these are just my own thoughts. Didn't pick this up from the news, just looking at the big picture.

"development of renewable energy is a gold rush"
- Sure as long as it is subsidized by the tax-payers

President Trump’s decision to withdraw the U.S from the Paris Agreement is based solely on the fact that:

1.) It is a bad deal negotiated by John Kerry who is a proven failure
2.) The climate data used was manipulated by The Obama Administration
3.) It is non-binding
4.) It has no enforcement mechanism
5.) It requires The U.S. to pay hundreds of billions of tax-payers dollars into a fund that has no accountability and The U.S. has no control.
6.) It contains no achievable goals and no timetable for any actionable measures
7.) The two biggest polluters, China and India, have exemptions until 2030 and only then will they be asked to begin to consider reducing their emissions

The Paris agreement has been panned as a fake and a fraud by one of the global warming activists most heralded leaders James Hansen.

President Trump’s action simply gets The U.S. out of a bad deal. Nothing he has done rolls back any of the emissions achievements made so far and does not stop The U.S.’s continuing efforts.

The far-left extremists claim the President Trump has ruined The United States place as the world’s leader in environmental issues is a load of crap. The U.S. has always been, is now and will always be the world’s leader in caring for our planet.

I’ll ask the question again that not one of the W/P global warming proponents can or will answer:

How is remaining in the non-binding Paris Agreement good for America and exactly how does it control or reduce any emissions?


 
Posted : June 6, 2017 12:33 pm
BrerRabbit
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The U.S. has always been, is now and will always be the world’s leader in caring for our planet.

You are saying that you think caring for the planet is a priority, and that US leadership in this is important.

We agree on something!


 
Posted : June 6, 2017 1:36 pm
Muleman1994
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The U.S. has always been, is now and will always be the world’s leader in caring for our planet.

You are saying that you think caring for the planet is a priority, and that US leadership in this is important.

We agree on something!

I’ll ask the question again that not one of the W/P global warming proponents can or will answer:

How is remaining in the non-binding Paris Agreement good for America and exactly how does it control or reduce any emissions?


 
Posted : June 6, 2017 2:36 pm
Muleman1994
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I see pops can't answer the basic question either.

This entire issue revolves around that specific question and not one leftie can or will answer.
That alone answers all we need to know.


 
Posted : June 6, 2017 4:22 pm
BrerRabbit
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From Merriam-Webster dictionary

Definition of monomania:

Mental illness especially when limited in expression to one idea or area of thought


 
Posted : June 7, 2017 5:58 am
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/06/climate/renewable-energy-push-is-strongest-in-the-reddest-states.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Renewable Energy Push Is Strongest in the Reddest States

By JUSTIN GILLIS and NADJA POPOVICHJUNE 6, 2017

______________________________________________________________________

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/07/opinions/paris-rural-wind-cost-opinion-phadke/?iid=ob_homepage_deskrecommended_pool

Why red states should oppose Trump on climate
By Roopali Phadke
Updated 12:35 PM ET, Wed June 7, 2017

[Edited on 6/7/2017 by LeglizHemp]


 
Posted : June 7, 2017 9:54 am
Muleman1994
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From Merriam-Webster dictionary

Definition of monomania:

Mental illness especially when limited in expression to one idea or area of thought

So you and your global warming alarmist throw a fit when President Trump gets The U.S. out of a poorly negotiated non-binding agreement which would have had no effect on reducing emissions.

Yet you still cannot answer the question why?

How is remaining in the non-binding Paris Agreement good for America and exactly how does it control or reduce any emissions?


 
Posted : June 10, 2017 7:46 am
Jerry
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https:eelegal.org/press-release/?gclid=ClnOgKv_ptQCFQMcaQoduDOlhg

Scroll down and watch the video.

More right wing bullsh!t from you jerry 😛 killer storms/floods and wild fires throughout the south hurt the most vulnerable. people not being able to pay their electric bill has to do with economic inequality.

So you think all the deaths reported by the European newspapers were bullshit? You are pathetic!!!!

To say they died because of the paris climate agreement is pretty moronic. 😛 you are a sad mfer.

Where did I say anything about their deaths being caused by the Paris Agreement? You just read what you wanted to into what was presented. You're not only pathetic, you're just being led around by that piece of string Gore has around your testicles.


 
Posted : June 10, 2017 10:30 am
BrerRabbit
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So you and your global warming alarmist throw a fit

LOL, you wish. Don't know how you came up with that. My point here was simply a calm and cool nonpartisan discussion of how smart rural folks are investing in renewable energy development, regardless of the Paris deal. I live in the rural West, plenty of good economic growth in this field.

Honestly I don't give a crap about you or the antics of your handlers. You are clearly mentally ill, with deep resentment and anger pathologies, you need professional help, man.

When is the last time you posted in a music discussion? Or anything other than left bashing? Do you have any other interests in life?


 
Posted : June 10, 2017 1:34 pm
Muleman1994
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So you and your global warming alarmist throw a fit

LOL, you wish. Don't know how you came up with that. My point here was simply a calm and cool nonpartisan discussion of how smart rural folks are investing in renewable energy development, regardless of the Paris deal. I live in the rural West, plenty of good economic growth in this field.

Honestly I don't give a crap about you or the antics of your handlers. You are clearly mentally ill, with deep resentment and anger pathologies, you need professional help, man.

When is the last time you posted in a music discussion? Or anything other than left bashing? Do you have any other interests in life?

Cute attempt to run away from the subject of the thread but your dodge is obvious.
This thread is all about President Trump dumping the piece of crap, useless non-binding Paris Agreement and watching the global warming alarmists throw a fit.

Yet no one has been able to or willing to state how is remaining in the non-binding Paris Agreement good for America and exactly how does it control or reduce any emissions.


 
Posted : June 10, 2017 6:00 pm
BrerRabbit
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Not a dodge at all. At some point you might realize what is obvious to everyone except you by now: Nobody here is playing your silly little Whipping Post game anymore. We all view you as kind of a Gina type.

Try branching out some, maybe go to Anything Goes and talk about music for a change of pace, you will feel better. Sure made me happier when I refocussed on the music here, after all this a music site.

[Edited on 6/11/2017 by BrerRabbit]


 
Posted : June 10, 2017 6:58 pm
Muleman1994
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Like I said, not one of the far=left extremist global warming alarmists here can say why pulling out of the non-binding Paris Agreement can justify their outrage that President Trump did the responsible thing.

Keep screaming.
No one is listening.


 
Posted : June 11, 2017 3:07 pm
BrerRabbit
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No one is listening.

LOL. Exactly. Looks like slow troll starvation setting in.


 
Posted : June 11, 2017 6:13 pm
Muleman1994
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No one is listening.

LOL. Exactly. Looks like slow troll starvation setting in.

Like I said, not one of the far-left extremist global warming alarmists here can say why pulling out of the non-binding Paris Agreement can justify their outrage nor can state why doing so would have any effect on emissions.


 
Posted : June 12, 2017 1:04 pm
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