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bob1954
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As reported in the September 26, 2016, issue of Time magazine:

"America's median household income increased 5.2% in 2015, the largest annual uptick since the Census Bureau began surveying income in 1967, according to data released on September 13th."


 
Posted : September 17, 2016 10:21 am
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What country is stupid enough to engage in a trade war with the USA? That's like mixing it up with King Kong. The entire world economy is dependent on our relative financial power and I doubt they'll be lining up for self-destruction, but you never know...


 
Posted : September 18, 2016 8:37 am
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What country is stupid enough to engage in a trade war with the USA? That's like mixing it up with King Kong. The entire world economy is dependent on our relative financial power and I doubt they'll be lining up for self-destruction, but you never know...

No, you never know. Japan was stupid enough to engage in a real war with the USA. That was like awakening a sleeping giant. You wouldn't think they'd line up for self-destruction, but they did.


 
Posted : September 18, 2016 8:52 am
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What country is stupid enough to engage in a trade war with the USA? That's like mixing it up with King Kong. The entire world economy is dependent on our relative financial power and I doubt they'll be lining up for self-destruction, but you never know...

No, you never know. Japan was stupid enough to engage in a real war with the USA. That was like awakening a sleeping giant. You wouldn't think they'd line up for self-destruction, but they did.

Considering how little we produce and how much we import, we might very well get our butt kicked in a trade war.


 
Posted : September 18, 2016 9:00 am
bob1954
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What country is stupid enough to engage in a trade war with the USA? That's like mixing it up with King Kong. The entire world economy is dependent on our relative financial power and I doubt they'll be lining up for self-destruction, but you never know...

No, you never know. Japan was stupid enough to engage in a real war with the USA. That was like awakening a sleeping giant. You wouldn't think they'd line up for self-destruction, but they did.

Considering how little we produce and how much we import, we might very well get our butt kicked in a trade war.


 
Posted : September 18, 2016 9:33 am
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Donald Trump’s economic speech this morning to the Economic Club of New York was incoherent at best, nuts at worst. His “more detailed” economic plan would:

1. Explode the deficit. Trump still wants to reduce taxes, mostly on the wealthy and on corporations. He says his tax cut would cost $4.4 trillion over 10 years, and the money would come from economic growth. Yet he’d also spend like mad on the military and on infrastructure. His numbers are wildly out of whack. (I’m no deficit hawk, but I’m not a deficit humming bird. This is insane.)

2. Isolate the United States. He’d cut off much of trade with China, Mexico, and other current trading partners – thereby inviting trade retaliation, causing consumer prices to rise in the U.S., choke off growth in developing nations, and repeat the disastrous mistakes of Congressmen Smoot and Hawley who, in the 1930s, withdrew the U.S. from the global economy.

3. Scrap many environmental, health, and safety regulations in order to pursue economic growth. This is borderline insanity. Growth is not an end in itself. A higher standard of living is. If our air and water are unsafe, if we’re subject to more floods and droughts, if our workplaces are unsafe and unhealthy, and our food is unsafe, our standard of living drops.

4. And wouldn't even bring back manufacturing to the United States, as he asserts. Today’s factories are automated. Numerical-controlled machine tools and robots are replacing humans even in China.

Trumponomics is almost as cruel a joke as trickle-down economics.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-lays-out-more-details-of-economic-plans-1473955537

These ideas are just bat $hit crazy. It doesn't take a Phi Beta Kappa to understand that these are a formula for disaster. Unfortunately the dug in the trench Trump swallowers probably can't comprehend the cause & effect here of what these actions would do. They're more concerned with catch phrases like "Make America Great Again" or watching old ladies get smacked around at Trump rallies.

Of course, bat sh!t crazy....

What additional commentary would we expect? None, just the predictable and automatic exemption from explaining why. Just write him off as "crazy" and be done with it.

SSDD, and this isn't cutting it anymore. A philosophy differing from yours doesn't make someone crazy, Doctor, but thanks for the (unqualified) analysis.


 
Posted : September 18, 2016 9:47 am
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Donald Trump’s economic speech this morning to the Economic Club of New York was incoherent at best, nuts at worst. His “more detailed” economic plan would:

1. Explode the deficit. Trump still wants to reduce taxes, mostly on the wealthy and on corporations. He says his tax cut would cost $4.4 trillion over 10 years, and the money would come from economic growth. Yet he’d also spend like mad on the military and on infrastructure. His numbers are wildly out of whack. (I’m no deficit hawk, but I’m not a deficit humming bird. This is insane.)

2. Isolate the United States. He’d cut off much of trade with China, Mexico, and other current trading partners – thereby inviting trade retaliation, causing consumer prices to rise in the U.S., choke off growth in developing nations, and repeat the disastrous mistakes of Congressmen Smoot and Hawley who, in the 1930s, withdrew the U.S. from the global economy.

3. Scrap many environmental, health, and safety regulations in order to pursue economic growth. This is borderline insanity. Growth is not an end in itself. A higher standard of living is. If our air and water are unsafe, if we’re subject to more floods and droughts, if our workplaces are unsafe and unhealthy, and our food is unsafe, our standard of living drops.

4. And wouldn't even bring back manufacturing to the United States, as he asserts. Today’s factories are automated. Numerical-controlled machine tools and robots are replacing humans even in China.

Trumponomics is almost as cruel a joke as trickle-down economics.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-lays-out-more-details-of-economic-plans-1473955537

These ideas are just bat $hit crazy. It doesn't take a Phi Beta Kappa to understand that these are a formula for disaster. Unfortunately the dug in the trench Trump swallowers probably can't comprehend the cause & effect here of what these actions would do. They're more concerned with catch phrases like "Make America Great Again" or watching old ladies get smacked around at Trump rallies.

Of course, bat sh!t crazy....

What additional commentary would we expect? None, just the predictable and automatic exemption from explaining why. Just write him off as "crazy" and be done with it.

SSDD, and this isn't cutting it anymore. A philosophy differing from yours doesn't make someone crazy, Doctor, but thanks for the (unqualified) analysis.

alloak,

Have you ever taken any courses in Economics? If you had, I'd think you'd agree & understand. So much for that. I could write you pages and pages, but you'd dismiss the detail. You asking for detail is laughable. Mostly what you post is either one or two liners, and they are usually nothing more than snark. When you start defending the details of Trump's conspiracy theories and plans once elected, then people will take you seriously, engage in an educated conversation with you, and provide the level of detail for which you never post.


 
Posted : September 18, 2016 10:28 am
alloak41
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Donald Trump’s economic speech this morning to the Economic Club of New York was incoherent at best, nuts at worst. His “more detailed” economic plan would:

1. Explode the deficit. Trump still wants to reduce taxes, mostly on the wealthy and on corporations. He says his tax cut would cost $4.4 trillion over 10 years, and the money would come from economic growth. Yet he’d also spend like mad on the military and on infrastructure. His numbers are wildly out of whack. (I’m no deficit hawk, but I’m not a deficit humming bird. This is insane.)

2. Isolate the United States. He’d cut off much of trade with China, Mexico, and other current trading partners – thereby inviting trade retaliation, causing consumer prices to rise in the U.S., choke off growth in developing nations, and repeat the disastrous mistakes of Congressmen Smoot and Hawley who, in the 1930s, withdrew the U.S. from the global economy.

3. Scrap many environmental, health, and safety regulations in order to pursue economic growth. This is borderline insanity. Growth is not an end in itself. A higher standard of living is. If our air and water are unsafe, if we’re subject to more floods and droughts, if our workplaces are unsafe and unhealthy, and our food is unsafe, our standard of living drops.

4. And wouldn't even bring back manufacturing to the United States, as he asserts. Today’s factories are automated. Numerical-controlled machine tools and robots are replacing humans even in China.

Trumponomics is almost as cruel a joke as trickle-down economics.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-lays-out-more-details-of-economic-plans-1473955537

These ideas are just bat $hit crazy. It doesn't take a Phi Beta Kappa to understand that these are a formula for disaster. Unfortunately the dug in the trench Trump swallowers probably can't comprehend the cause & effect here of what these actions would do. They're more concerned with catch phrases like "Make America Great Again" or watching old ladies get smacked around at Trump rallies.

Of course, bat sh!t crazy....

What additional commentary would we expect? None, just the predictable and automatic exemption from explaining why. Just write him off as "crazy" and be done with it.

SSDD, and this isn't cutting it anymore. A philosophy differing from yours doesn't make someone crazy, Doctor, but thanks for the (unqualified) analysis.

alloak,

Have you ever taken any courses in Economics? If you had, I'd think you'd agree & understand. So much for that. I could write you pages and pages, but you'd dismiss the detail.

You asking for detail is laughable. Mostly what you post is either one or two liners, and they are usually nothing more than snark.

When you start defending the details of Trump's conspiracy theories and plans once elected, then people will take you seriously, engage in an educated conversation with you, and provide the level of detail for which you never post.

1. Thanks for asking... I did, and made high marks in Economics. I didn't ask for pages of details, just an explanation why you feel as you do. Something besides the usual mental diagnosis based on political philosophies. I'm not holding my breath though.

2. And just when you thought it was safe to go back on the WP......Big deal, I choose "snark" while others choose personal attacks, name calling, snide personal remarks, mental health appraisals, ect. Way to take the high road.

3. Trump has a website. I'm sure there are other sources of info readily available. If you're interested in greater detail, allow me to make the suggestion that you go there. But I know, mental health appraisals are much easier.


 
Posted : September 18, 2016 2:45 pm
jkeller
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Donald Trump’s economic speech this morning to the Economic Club of New York was incoherent at best, nuts at worst. His “more detailed” economic plan would:

1. Explode the deficit. Trump still wants to reduce taxes, mostly on the wealthy and on corporations. He says his tax cut would cost $4.4 trillion over 10 years, and the money would come from economic growth. Yet he’d also spend like mad on the military and on infrastructure. His numbers are wildly out of whack. (I’m no deficit hawk, but I’m not a deficit humming bird. This is insane.)

2. Isolate the United States. He’d cut off much of trade with China, Mexico, and other current trading partners – thereby inviting trade retaliation, causing consumer prices to rise in the U.S., choke off growth in developing nations, and repeat the disastrous mistakes of Congressmen Smoot and Hawley who, in the 1930s, withdrew the U.S. from the global economy.

3. Scrap many environmental, health, and safety regulations in order to pursue economic growth. This is borderline insanity. Growth is not an end in itself. A higher standard of living is. If our air and water are unsafe, if we’re subject to more floods and droughts, if our workplaces are unsafe and unhealthy, and our food is unsafe, our standard of living drops.

4. And wouldn't even bring back manufacturing to the United States, as he asserts. Today’s factories are automated. Numerical-controlled machine tools and robots are replacing humans even in China.

Trumponomics is almost as cruel a joke as trickle-down economics.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-lays-out-more-details-of-economic-plans-1473955537

These ideas are just bat $hit crazy. It doesn't take a Phi Beta Kappa to understand that these are a formula for disaster. Unfortunately the dug in the trench Trump swallowers probably can't comprehend the cause & effect here of what these actions would do. They're more concerned with catch phrases like "Make America Great Again" or watching old ladies get smacked around at Trump rallies.

Of course, bat sh!t crazy....

What additional commentary would we expect? None, just the predictable and automatic exemption from explaining why. Just write him off as "crazy" and be done with it.

SSDD, and this isn't cutting it anymore. A philosophy differing from yours doesn't make someone crazy, Doctor, but thanks for the (unqualified) analysis.

alloak,

Have you ever taken any courses in Economics? If you had, I'd think you'd agree & understand. So much for that. I could write you pages and pages, but you'd dismiss the detail.

You asking for detail is laughable. Mostly what you post is either one or two liners, and they are usually nothing more than snark.

When you start defending the details of Trump's conspiracy theories and plans once elected, then people will take you seriously, engage in an educated conversation with you, and provide the level of detail for which you never post.

1. Thanks for asking... I did, and made high marks in Economics. I didn't ask for pages of details, just an explanation why you feel as you do. Something besides the usual mental diagnosis based on political philosophies. I'm not holding my breath though.

2. And just when you thought it was safe to go back on the WP......Big deal, I choose "snark" while others choose personal attacks, name calling, snide personal remarks, mental health appraisals, ect. Way to take the high road.

3. Trump has a website. I'm sure there are other sources of info readily available. If you're interested in greater detail, allow me to make the suggestion that you go there. But I know, mental health appraisals are much easier.

Capt. Snark is telling you that you must do research because he is too lazy to do it. Sound familiar? Capt. Snark thought it was safe to come back so he could say what he wants and whine when others do the same to him. SSDD.


 
Posted : September 18, 2016 7:11 pm
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2. And just when you thought it was safe to go back on the WP......Big deal, I choose "snark" while others choose personal attacks, name calling, snide personal remarks, mental health appraisals, ect. Way to take the high road.

And you think your snark is somehow akin to taking "the high road"? That explains a lot.

3. Trump has a website. I'm sure there are other sources of info readily available. If you're interested in greater detail, allow me to make the suggestion that you go there. But I know, mental health appraisals are much easier.

I've looked at the Trump website. It isn't that much different from his stump speeches, lots of promises and not much detail on how he intends to deliver on them. It can pretty much be summed up with how how he summarizes the "economic vision" section: "Trump is the candidate of the future. Hillary Clinton is the candidate of the past." Way to get down to the details.


 
Posted : September 19, 2016 8:12 am
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Big deal, I choose "snark" while others choose personal attacks, name calling, snide personal remarks, mental health appraisals, ect

Except when liberalism is a mental disorder and they were all suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome, because that's actually true! Amirite?


 
Posted : September 19, 2016 11:53 am
alloak41
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2. And just when you thought it was safe to go back on the WP......Big deal, I choose "snark" while others choose personal attacks, name calling, snide personal remarks, mental health appraisals, ect. Way to take the high road.

And you think your snark is somehow akin to taking "the high road"?

Compared to the alternatives described that are directly aimed at another poster?

Absolutely. Definitely not the low road.

You probably disagree. If so, I don't believe it's due to your intelligence level, mental health factors, personal traits, or what have you.


 
Posted : September 19, 2016 12:37 pm
alloak41
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Big deal, I choose "snark" while others choose personal attacks, name calling, snide personal remarks, mental health appraisals, ect

Except when liberalism is a mental disorder and they were all suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome, because that's actually true! Amirite?

No.


 
Posted : September 19, 2016 12:39 pm
jkeller
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Big deal, I choose "snark" while others choose personal attacks, name calling, snide personal remarks, mental health appraisals, ect

Except when liberalism is a mental disorder and they were all suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome, because that's actually true! Amirite?

No.

But you hae said that more than once. But it is a one way street for you/


 
Posted : September 19, 2016 1:11 pm
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http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=86843#pid2006040

Nobody's saying that. But far too often bitter partisanship seems to get in the way of facts. There's a whole lot of blame to go around, and this Bush Derangement Syndrome has gotten so far out of hand! We were talking the other night about what's happened to the GOP and what they need to do about it.

For sure, they need to do a MUCH better job of justifying and explaining their positions to people. When there are misconceptions out there somebody needs to step up and try to set the record straight..They're so dead set on staying on the high ground and just going along with it. Sometimes the low road has to be taken when it comes to standing up for yourself. All their detractors don't seem to have a problem with it.

I guess that's it. They need to stand up for themselves when needed and explain their philosophies and positions a lot better -- not just stand there like human punching bags.


 
Posted : September 19, 2016 1:18 pm
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One rule I never break. Before I cast a vote, I always consult with the nearest economist.


 
Posted : September 21, 2016 11:31 am
alloak41
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Big deal, I choose "snark" while others choose personal attacks, name calling, snide personal remarks, mental health appraisals, ect

Except when liberalism is a mental disorder and they were all suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome, because that's actually true! Amirite?

No.

But you hae said that more than once. But it is a one way street for you/

I think you have me confused with Rush Limbaugh or something. I don't think liberalism is a mental disorder. BTW, BDS is not a medical (mental) condition.


 
Posted : September 21, 2016 11:35 am
jkeller
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Big deal, I choose "snark" while others choose personal attacks, name calling, snide personal remarks, mental health appraisals, ect

Except when liberalism is a mental disorder and they were all suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome, because that's actually true! Amirite?

No.

But you hae said that more than once. But it is a one way street for you/

I think you have me confused with Rush Limbaugh or something. I don't think liberalism is a mental disorder. BTW, BDS is not a medical (mental) condition.

Of course it isn't any type of personal attack either. Neither is referring to people as low info voters.


 
Posted : September 21, 2016 11:36 am
alloak41
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Big deal, I choose "snark" while others choose personal attacks, name calling, snide personal remarks, mental health appraisals, ect

Except when liberalism is a mental disorder and they were all suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome, because that's actually true! Amirite?

No.

But you hae said that more than once. But it is a one way street for you/

I think you have me confused with Rush Limbaugh or something. I don't think liberalism is a mental disorder. BTW, BDS is not a medical (mental) condition.

Of course it isn't any type of personal attack either. Neither is referring to people as low info voters.

I agree. When it's not directed at someone in particular it obviously can't be defined as a personal attack.


 
Posted : September 21, 2016 2:00 pm
jkeller
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Big deal, I choose "snark" while others choose personal attacks, name calling, snide personal remarks, mental health appraisals, ect

Except when liberalism is a mental disorder and they were all suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome, because that's actually true! Amirite?

No.

But you hae said that more than once. But it is a one way street for you/

I think you have me confused with Rush Limbaugh or something. I don't think liberalism is a mental disorder. BTW, BDS is not a medical (mental) condition.

Of course it isn't any type of personal attack either. Neither is referring to people as low info voters.

I agree. When it's not directed at someone in particular it obviously can't be defined as a personal attack.

OK. Trump supporters are idiots. That wasn't directed at someone in particular.


 
Posted : September 21, 2016 2:01 pm
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