What an Idiot!
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/27/politics/trump-health-care-complicated/index.html
Trump: 'Nobody knew health care could be so complicated'
By Kevin Liptak, CNN White House Producer
Updated 12:34 PM ET, Mon February 27, 2017
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump noted with some exasperation Monday the complexity of the nation's health laws, which he's vowed to reform as part of a bid to scrap Obamacare.
"We have come up with a solution that's really, really I think very good," Trump said at a meeting of the nation's governors at the White House.
"Now, I have to tell you, it's an unbelievably complex subject," he added. "Nobody knew health care could be so complicated."
Trump was speaking as Republicans on Capitol Hill continue to work toward developing a plan to replace the Affordable Care Act, the Obama-era law which they argue is too costly and complicated. Trump has not yet gotten behind a GOP replacement measure, however, and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan were hoping to convince Trump to support it during a meeting later Monday.
Trump is also expected to touch on health care during his first address to a joint session of Congress on Tuesday evening.
During a meeting with health insurers, Trump said a replacement plan would be unveiled soon.
"We have a plan that I think is going to be fantastic. It's going to be released fairly soon," Trump said Monday. "I think it's going to be something special ... I think you're going to like what you hear."
But he told the CEOs that if the plan doesn't accomplish his goals, they'd face his ire.
"If things don't work out I'm blaming you anyway," he said.
Yes it is. In reality neither party has addressed the fact that if more people are covered more money has to come into the system. This is part of the reason that a lot of people got angry with Obamacare - because they were in essence paying greater amounts on their non subsidized plans to cover some of the costs of the subsidized ones. the old shell game. Not to mention selling high deductible/cost sharing plans to people who can't afford to pay their part. Many obamacare patients don't utilize it as the cost-sharing expenses are beyond their budget.
And I will say it again: I'm a health care provider who has one office in a largely immigrant neighborhood. The government (despite claiming no) has already insured a lot of illegals. The health care costs if this continues will be astronomical.
Yes it is. In reality neither party has addressed the fact that if more people are covered more money has to come into the system. This is part of the reason that a lot of people got angry with Obamacare - because they were in essence paying greater amounts on their non subsidized plans to cover some of the costs of the subsidized ones. the old shell game. Not to mention selling high deductible/cost sharing plans to people who can't afford to pay their part. Many obamacare patients don't utilize it as the cost-sharing expenses are beyond their budget.
And I will say it again: I'm a health care provider who has one office in a largely immigrant neighborhood. The government (despite claiming no) has already insured a lot of illegals. The health care costs if this continues will be astronomical.
I also work in the same sector. Many people get "free" care with a fake address given as well.
Costs already are astronomical, but by all means, let's blame the illegals for it.
yup, that always blows my mind.
lets repeal the ACA, kick millions off health care and bring back the GOP death panel plan.
Yes it is. In reality neither party has addressed the fact that if more people are covered more money has to come into the system. This is part of the reason that a lot of people got angry with Obamacare - because they were in essence paying greater amounts on their non subsidized plans to cover some of the costs of the subsidized ones. the old shell game. Not to mention selling high deductible/cost sharing plans to people who can't afford to pay their part. Many obamacare patients don't utilize it as the cost-sharing expenses are beyond their budget.
And I will say it again: I'm a health care provider who has one office in a largely immigrant neighborhood. The government (despite claiming no) has already insured a lot of illegals. The health care costs if this continues will be astronomical.
I'm sure the costs have nothing to do with the CEO salaries approaching 20 million a year and the investor class with multiple houses and garages with elevators for their car collections. Got to be the illegals.
The article at the link below was published in Time Magazine back February 20, 2013...I found the article very informative...worth the read anyway.
Bitter Pill: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us
By Steven Brill
Feb. 20, 2013
https://www.uta.edu/faculty/story/2311/Misc/2013,2,26,MedicalCostsDemandAndGreed.pdf
1- Read what I wrote. I stated that no one is addressing the costs of insuring people (either party) and yes the illegals are part of the problem. That needs to be addressed.
2 - I am not advocating throwing people of Obamacare (I actually voted for Obama 2nd term solely on the healthcare issue) but addressing the cost of insuring people under the plan and how to fund it. Everyone thinks the money materializes.
3 - Obama was in bed with United Healthcare like Trump is with dirty energy.
4 - People tout Medicare for everyone which would be great - if the premiums paid by the seniors covered more that 25% - 33% of the costs of administering their health care.
nice article IF, even if it was 4 yrs old. i doubt much has changed.
emr i was being snarky in general. not directed at you.
[Edited on 2/28/2017 by LeglizHemp]
That's OK. And we don't need death panels but a huge percentage of our lifetime medical care is spent on our final illness. Society does need to stop spending after the point where life ceases to exist. When my dad had terminal cancer my mom kept calling ambulances to "save him." And they kept taking him
Society does need to stop spending after the point where life ceases to exist.
life ceases to begin
life ceases to exist
its all expensive.....and everything in between.
ok.....that adds nothing to conversation
then again.....how do we lower costs like in the article IF posted
1- Read what I wrote. I stated that no one is addressing the costs of insuring people (either party) and yes the illegals are part of the problem. That needs to be addressed.
2 - I am not advocating throwing people of Obamacare (I actually voted for Obama 2nd term solely on the healthcare issue) but addressing the cost of insuring people under the plan and how to fund it. Everyone thinks the money materializes.
3 - Obama was in bed with United Healthcare like Trump is with dirty energy.
4 - People tout Medicare for everyone which would be great - if the premiums paid by the seniors covered more that 25% - 33% of the costs of administering their health care.
Of course. If those illegals making $10 an hour under the table would only have the good taste not to get sick. And those seniors, who paid all their working lives into the system trusting that it would be managed by politicians who would actually look out for them instead of billionaires would just kick in another 20-30%..
Idiot is putting it mildly. Until he is impeached this country is going to be a disaster!
"Nobody knew health care could be so complicated'"
Translation: "I, Donald Trump, didn't know health care could be so complicated."
Everyone knew this, health care reform has been an unsolvable riddle since the early 1990s.
Trump supporter: We could care less about policy. We just want to live vicariously through him and watch our fantasies of fighting who we hate come to fruition.
"Nobody knew health care could be so complicated'"
Translation: "I, Donald Trump, didn't know health care could be so complicated."
Everyone knew this, health care reform has been an unsolvable riddle since the early 1990s.
In other words, the know-it-all & full time campaigner in chief has finally received a briefing or advice on what it means to repeal & replace, as well as the inner workings of health care. Prior to that the expert on everything that inherited "a mess", promised on the campaign to IMMEDIATELY replace ACA.
"The extraordinary promises Donald Trump made on the campaign trail have met reality. Trump told a Las Vegas crowd the night before the Nevada caucus in February 2016 that he would replace Obamacare “immediately” after taking office with “great health care for a fraction of the price”.
Trump promised to repeal and replace the ACA with "universal" health care. This is what happens when you have no clue what you are talking about but you promise anyways.
"Nobody knew health care could be so complicated'"
Translation: "I, Donald Trump, didn't know health care could be so complicated."
Everyone knew this, health care reform has been an unsolvable riddle since the early 1990s.
Yet somehow the rest of the industrialized world has managed to solve the riddle. Lifespans worldwide are soaring - except in the US.
Gov't is not going to fix healthcare. Not Republicans, not Democrats.
And before we go too far, its not about insurance companies and their profits. Insurance companies just pay the bills, just like Medicare mostly just pays the bills.
The problem is price. Obamacare didn't touch it, and I doubt Trump will either.
The fix has to do with opening the secrets of how healthcare services are priced, and no politician is going to touch that. There's too much potential of exposing one of the biggest sources of political support in the country, and they're not going to kill that golden goose.
I've recently seen this personally, related to some kidney stone issues I've had the pleasure of experiencing. In mid-Nov, I found myself doubled-over in lower back pain for which I checked myself into the emergency room. A diagnosis of kidney stones soon followed, and after a quick CAT scan, some pain meds, a little Flomax, and an IV - it was confirmed. I spent 3-4 hours in the ER here in Cincinnati, and once the stone passed to my bladder, I felt back to normal within 10 minutes. Cost: about $5,000
Weeks later I was in LA, driving to an appointment when I suddenly felt the same pain. It was beyond what I could stand, so I cancelled my appointment and found a nearby emergency room. What followed was essentially identical to the treatment I previously received. Cost: $12,500
How its possible to be 2 1/2 times more expensive for the same services in CA than in OH is beyond explanation. But its just one hospital trying to take more advantage vs the other. As a patient, if you asked how much anything costs as you're going through this, no one will be able to tell you. No one providing the service has a clue about costs. The insurance companies just pay, so who cares?
Until consumers demand a more open market, with providers making pricing clear, this will never end. Its not the insurance companies fault - its the providers and the trade-secret pricing policies they use. And the quickest way to stop all of this is to have individuals buy their own policies and demand to be treated just like consumers of all other services when it comes to pricing and market competition. Benefits that help individuals pay for the insurance can still be provided from companies and gov't. But the switch from group policies to individual consumers will be the only thing that forces real change (this is essentially what they Swiss do, and their costs are far below ours)
But I doubt American consumers will demand the necessary change, because they've become hooked on someone else making the selection for them. But that laziness is costing the country a massive amount.
This guy give the best recent explanation I've seen...
"In February 2013, Brill published Bitter Pill: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us as a Time magazine cover story.The investigation of billing practices revealed that hospitals and their executives are gaming the system to maximize revenue. Brill claims patients receive bills that have little relationship to the care provided and that the free market in American medicine is a myth, with or without Obamacare. The 24,000-plus word article took up the entire feature section of the magazine, the first time in the history of TIME."
Time magazine's managing editor Rick Stengel wrote:
"If the piece has a villain, it's something you've probably never heard of: the chargemaster, the mysterious internal price list for products and services that every hospital in the U.S. keeps. If the piece has a hero, it's an unlikely one: Medicare, the government program that by law can pay hospitals only the approximate costs of care."
The article was expanded and published as a book, America's Bitter Pill: Money, Politics, Backroom Deals, and the Fight to Fix Our Broken Healthcare System, on January 5, 2015. The book became a best seller within a week of its release.
"Nobody knew health care could be so complicated'"
Translation: "I, Donald Trump, didn't know health care could be so complicated."
Everyone knew this, health care reform has been an unsolvable riddle since the early 1990s.
Yet somehow the rest of the industrialized world has managed to solve the riddle. Lifespans worldwide are soaring - except in the US.
I meant U.S. health care. There are plenty of countries that have figured out how to provide accessible, affordable health care. But it's a riddle in the U.S. because of the gross amount of money involved with Insurance companies (and politicians). The entire industry needs to be reformed, and it will be an extraction.
I know that's what you meant. Any perceived slight was not directed at you but the state of things.
I know that's what you meant. Any perceived slight was not directed at you but the state of things.
Nah, didn't take it as a slight at all, just wanted to say we agree in case I wasn't clear. S'all good.
That's OK. And we don't need death panels but a huge percentage of our lifetime medical care is spent on our final illness. Society does need to stop spending after the point where life ceases to exist. When my dad had terminal cancer my mom kept calling ambulances to "save him." And they kept taking him
My Mom's cousin is 73. In August, she was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer - lifetime smoker. Three tumors had also grown in the brain (was causing headaches which lead to the eventual MRI and diagnosis). They told her without treatment she had 3 months to live.
In the fall they did chemo, they did radiation. It paused the growth for a bit, but now there is a 4th tumor in the brain. Her life is terrible right now, she couldn't possibly be any worse off right now had she just died 3 months after the doctor told her about the cancer. There is no quality of life, no happy moments of joy with loved ones and friends - it is just awful seeing her like this and it is causing so much stress on the ones that are trying to do their best caring for her. My Dad and both my grandfathers died of cancer, the end is ugly. In this case when you are 73 with lung cancer that you caused yourself, why prolong the inevitable?
Yet, just a few weeks ago the doctors told her that she might be a candidate for a different kind of procedure. And they want to keep doing immunotherapy.
She is a customer, the doctors want business.
Not an ACA or Obamacare issue, she is on medicare. I have no idea how much this is costing and honestly it has all been wasted money. Good for the doctors and the facilities and employees involved in the process as they get paid some % of the billed cost - but the net outcome is going to be money not well spent. At some point, somebody needs to say "sorry the cost/benefit of the care you require is just not there, you did this to yourself prepare for the consequences". Harsh. But sometimes reality is harsh.
That's OK. And we don't need death panels but a huge percentage of our lifetime medical care is spent on our final illness. Society does need to stop spending after the point where life ceases to exist. When my dad had terminal cancer my mom kept calling ambulances to "save him." And they kept taking him
My Mom's cousin is 73. In August, she was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer - lifetime smoker. Three tumors had also grown in the brain (was causing headaches which lead to the eventual MRI and diagnosis). They told her without treatment she had 3 months to live.
In the fall they did chemo, they did radiation. It paused the growth for a bit, but now there is a 4th tumor in the brain. Her life is terrible right now, she couldn't possibly be any worse off right now had she just died 3 months after the doctor told her about the cancer. There is no quality of life, no happy moments of joy with loved ones and friends - it is just awful seeing her like this and it is causing so much stress on the ones that are trying to do their best caring for her. My Dad and both my grandfathers died of cancer, the end is ugly. In this case when you are 73 with lung cancer that you caused yourself, why prolong the inevitable?
Yet, just a few weeks ago the doctors told her that she might be a candidate for a different kind of procedure. And they want to keep doing immunotherapy.
She is a customer, the doctors want business.
Not an ACA or Obamacare issue, she is on medicare. I have no idea how much this is costing and honestly it has all been wasted money. Good for the doctors and the facilities and employees involved in the process as they get paid some % of the billed cost - but the net outcome is going to be money not well spent. At some point, somebody needs to say "sorry the cost/benefit of the care you require is just not there, you did this to yourself prepare for the consequences". Harsh. But sometimes reality is harsh.
There are a lot of clinical trials out there testing immunotherapy drugs and given she is stage 4 she may qualify for one of these. This would be care paid for by the pharmaceutical company.
I would say your perspective on this is overly harsh.
They did one immunotherapy, a second one 3 weeks after had to be canceled because she couldn't make it and no others got scheduled. The possible other treatment was something else, I think a certain kind of radiation. They had to cancel that appointment too. It is just end of life care now, in her state the last couple months that is all anyone should've been focused on. I know it is hard for you to comment without knowing details. Am I overly harsh, perhaps but it is what it is.
