The only chance we have is a change in the culture and moral fiber of the people.
Finally someone says it. That's exactly what went wrong.
Alloak, to answer your question...
As someone who supports tougher gun control, my motivation is to keep guns out of the hands of those who are too incompetent to use one safely....those who leave it loaded and unattended, those who accidentally shoot others because they forgot the safety, those who are bipolar or schizo. I would hope we can agree that these people should not own a gun, until they can prove otherwise. We do this for driving cars for the sole reason that driving is dangerous and can kill innocent people - we have written exams to pass a drivers test, physical exams, renewals every 4 years. Clearly there is nothing inherently evil about cars, but we ensure that any driver passes those tests before they get on the road. I just want a policy comparable to the driving laws, which I think would help a lot....not solve competely, but help a lot. If these types of plans were in place, many innocent lives would be saved, and the responsible people can still own all the guns they want.
I hope to get a serious response.
________________________________________________________________________
Your desire to keep weapons away from those too incompetent to use safely is right and just.
Keeping guns out of the hands of criminals is a far bigger problem that I doubt can be solved.The mental health system in our country is seriously broken. That issue must be addressed first, as Obama said he would but of course he dropped it immediately. When it was decided years ago that “main-streaming” of the mentally ill in lieu institutionalization became “popular”, the mental health system took a serious step backwards.
The regulation, testing, exams, record keeping and system to do so would have to be run by the government which has proven to be unable to function. Politicians have also demonstrated they have no interest in gun control, only the votes from their speeches calling for it.The only chance we have is a change in the culture and moral fiber of the people. It was not that long ago that people knew not to mouth off to a police officer and to obey their lawful order; to shoot someone was an act of last resort to defend yourself and working an actual job was everyone’s responsibility.
We are in deep trouble socially and few are willing to even speak on the matter. The usual response now is to call then a racist or otherwise attack them for have a contrary opinion.
I can recommend a good book but lately even expressing your faith will get you assaulted.
Wow. I agree with this. I think we have about as much chance of changing the culture and moral fiber of the people as taking away guns. Same with addressing the broken mental health system.
Mr. Muleman makes perfectly valid and sound points.
I just posted an article in another thread about the problems correlating mental health issues with violence, so that is not an easy fix either.
Mr. Muleman makes perfectly valid and sound points.
I just posted an article in another thread about the problems correlating mental health issues with violence, so that is not an easy fix either.
Sure there is no questions our mental health system is a train wreck, and has been forever, but that does not change the fact that limiting access to firearms would most likely lower the chances of these instances. I think there needs to be reform in both areas in parallel IMHO.
Mr. Muleman makes perfectly valid and sound points.
I just posted an article in another thread about the problems correlating mental health issues with violence, so that is not an easy fix either.
Sure there is no questions our mental health system is a train wreck, and has been forever, but that does not change the fact that limiting access to firearms would most likely lower the chances of these instances. I think there needs to be reform in both areas in parallel IMHO.
_______________________________________________________________________
Okay, how do you get “limiting access to firearms” done?
Okay, how do you get “limiting access to firearms” done?
you don't -- it can't be done
Okay, how do you get “limiting access to firearms” done?
you don't -- it can't be done
Yup the politicians are too afraid to do what is necessary to make it happen.
Politicians, paperwork, legislation, laws -- none of that IMO has anything to do with it IMO (all good bro) -- as long as guns are around, there's no way to regulate their use by individuals
this thing in Cincinnati -- now they're saying that this guy should never have been a cop, that the murder of that black motorist never should've happened, and this criminal, who managed to worm his way into a police uniform, has now been charged with murder
Another of the many clear examples IMHO of why senseless violence involving guns can never be regulated -- there are many responsible gun owners too -- that's what helps make them easy to get tho
[Edited on 7/29/2015 by Stephen]
If we've decided as a nation to finance DMV's to monitor and regulate who gets to drive, why can't we set-up a similar organization for gun ownership? Yes, it's a big project that needs funding, just like the DMV. And it won't solve the problem, just as the DMV doesn't prevent all fraudulent auto purchases. But they sure make it difficult to commit fraud. And they do a pretty good job tracking VIN numbers and registrations, and drivers license renewals. If these costs are worth it for driving, wouldn't it also be worth the costs for gun ownership? And if the answer is no, then what is? Surely this type of program would cut back many accidental deaths from the required safety courses alone. And what if this program prevents a bipolar person from buying? Wouldn't it be worth it?
Politicians, paperwork, legislation, laws -- none of that IMO has anything to do with it IMO (all good bro) -- as long as guns are around, there's no way to regulate their use by individuals
this thing in Cincinnati -- now they're saying that this guy should never have been a cop, and the murder of that black motorist never should've happened, and this criminal, who managed to worm his way into a police uniform, has now been charged with murder
There are many responsible gun owners too -- that's what helps make them easy to get tho
[Edited on 7/29/2015 by Stephen]
A good start would be to ban assault rifles and make other guns harder to get with more thorough background checks and mandatory Federal gun training. Will this solve the problem. No but you have to start somewhere and to throw up you hands saying it is impossible seems defeatist to me.
But this will never happen as politicians are too afraid to bite the hands that feeds them.
Good points -- mayb there somehow is a way and your suggestions are cogent food for thought so to speak, as a possible way to curb it -- but yep, as you said -- the NRA, all those powerful political lobbies -- not likely to happen
