And people will go on blaming an object.
It's all over the place, every day -- latest example, Oklahome family of 5, gunned down in their home -- 16 and 18 yr olds apprehended --
anyone who wants a gun can get one -- in this land of E Pluribus Unum, MONEY TALKSI agree Stephen, and it just seems to keep getting worse. We, as a country, seem to have accepted this behavior as a price we are willing to pay for gun ownership. As Bhawk has stated numerous times, it doesn't appear that this will ever change.
Precisely, sir
It's all over the place, every day -- latest example, Oklahome family of 5, gunned down in their home -- 16 and 18 yr olds apprehended --
anyone who wants a gun can get one -- in this land of E Pluribus Unum, MONEY TALKSI agree Stephen, and it just seems to keep getting worse. We, as a country, seem to have accepted this behavior as a price we are willing to pay for gun ownership. As Bhawk has stated numerous times, it doesn't appear that this will ever change.
Precisely, sir
Hey Stephen, in the US as of 2010 there were 11.3 automobile related deaths per year per 100,000 people. We know it's not the cars that kill people, its the people. I was just wondering how many auto related deaths you think we would have this year if there were no cars?
It's all over the place, every day -- latest example, Oklahome family of 5, gunned down in their home -- 16 and 18 yr olds apprehended --
anyone who wants a gun can get one -- in this land of E Pluribus Unum, MONEY TALKSI agree Stephen, and it just seems to keep getting worse. We, as a country, seem to have accepted this behavior as a price we are willing to pay for gun ownership. As Bhawk has stated numerous times, it doesn't appear that this will ever change.
Precisely, sir
Hey Stephen, in the US as of 2010 there were 11.3 automobile related deaths per year per 100,000 people. We know it's not the cars that kill people, its the people. I was just wondering how many auto related deaths you think we would have this year if there were no cars?
I think when the driverless cars become the norm, there will be no more road deaths.
Taylor Swift apologized to Nicki Minaj. Whew. That was close.
Taylor Swift apologized to Nicki Minaj. Whew. That was close.
Now we're talking some news baby!
And then there's this. Might as well get used to all these guns.
Gun Manufacturing in US Skyrocketing Since 2009
It's all over the place, every day -- latest example, Oklahome family of 5, gunned down in their home -- 16 and 18 yr olds apprehended --
anyone who wants a gun can get one -- in this land of E Pluribus Unum, MONEY TALKSI agree Stephen, and it just seems to keep getting worse. We, as a country, seem to have accepted this behavior as a price we are willing to pay for gun ownership. As Bhawk has stated numerous times, it doesn't appear that this will ever change.
Precisely, sir
Hey Stephen, in the US as of 2010 there were 11.3 automobile related deaths per year per 100,000 people. We know it's not the cars that kill people, its the people. I was just wondering how many auto related deaths you think we would have this year if there were no cars?
I think when the driverless cars become the norm, there will be no more road deaths.
What's that got to do with guns?
It's all over the place, every day -- latest example, Oklahome family of 5, gunned down in their home -- 16 and 18 yr olds apprehended --
anyone who wants a gun can get one -- in this land of E Pluribus Unum, MONEY TALKSI agree Stephen, and it just seems to keep getting worse. We, as a country, seem to have accepted this behavior as a price we are willing to pay for gun ownership. As Bhawk has stated numerous times, it doesn't appear that this will ever change.
Precisely, sir
Hey Stephen, in the US as of 2010 there were 11.3 automobile related deaths per year per 100,000 people. We know it's not the cars that kill people, its the people. I was just wondering how many auto related deaths you think we would have this year if there were no cars?
I think when the driverless cars become the norm, there will be no more road deaths.
What's that got to do with guns?
What do you have to do with intelligent debate?
Taylor Swift apologized to Nicki Minaj. Whew. That was close.
She had nothing to apologize for and offering to let Nicki come on stage with her (Taylor) for any award that she received is more than generous. Nicki felt that just because she herself is black she has less of a chance of winning an award.
It is sickening. Nicki needs to feel good in her own skin, embrace that she is black instead of trying to look white bleaching her hair blond and then complain that these organizations only want to give awards to white people. What's the point trying to look white if the award companies will KNOW you are black and not give you an award because you are black? Has she thought about this?
Why not just be the best black woman she can be, and let her artistry win her awards? Or if she does not win, recognize it is just the opinions of the judges and judging agency? Be your own star if they love you, great, if not eff 'em, you can't let that define you.
Why do so many black celebrities STILL have a chip on their shoulders when they have made their way, they are already successful, but they don't approve of themselves? Diana Ross didn't try to be white, nor did Aretha or Tina Turner those pioneers did it their way and their talent carried them. Nicki needs to have more belief in her own self and not compare herself to Taylor or any other white performer.
Taylor Swift apologized to Nicki Minaj. Whew. That was close.
She had nothing to apologize for and offering to let Nicki come on stage with her (Taylor) for any award that she received is more than generous. Nicki felt that just because she herself is black she has less of a chance of winning an award.
It is sickening. Nicki needs to feel good in her own skin, embrace that she is black instead of trying to look white bleaching her hair blond and then complain that these organizations only want to give awards to white people. What's the point trying to look white if the award companies will KNOW you are black and not give you an award because you are black? Has she thought about this?
Why not just be the best black woman she can be, and let her artistry win her awards? Or if she does not win, recognize it is just the opinions of the judges and judging agency? Be your own star if they love you, great, if not eff 'em, you can't let that define you.
Why do so many black celebrities STILL have a chip on their shoulders when they have made their way, they are already successful, but they don't approve of themselves? Diana Ross didn't try to be white, nor did Aretha or Tina Turner those pioneers did it their way and their talent carried them. Nicki needs to have more belief in her own self and not compare herself to Taylor or any other white performer.
uh... gina, this thread... Never mind.
And then there's this. Might as well get used to all these guns.
Gun Manufacturing in US Skyrocketing Since 2009
People have had the right guaranteed them by the Constitution of this country to own guns (bear arms) for home and self protection. Yet many would like to see those guns taken away. Under the current administration the matter was even taken up with the United Nations seeking worldwide control to limit gun ownership/trade. Then you had Homeland Security buying up all that ammo. and then normal sporting goods outlets placing restrictions to the public on how much ammo they can buy. The writing's on the wall and the people do not like their basic rights being infringed upon. That's why gun ownership is up, if a man can't get as many guns as he wants and feels that he needs, he will try to get his wife and children to get some; they need to learn to defend the homestead anyway against numerous threats (marauders in a national currency collapse or other emergency, roll out of martial law with privatized militias coming to drag you off to a Fema camp etc.).
It's all over the place, every day -- latest example, Oklahome family of 5, gunned down in their home -- 16 and 18 yr olds apprehended --
anyone who wants a gun can get one -- in this land of E Pluribus Unum, MONEY TALKSI agree Stephen, and it just seems to keep getting worse. We, as a country, seem to have accepted this behavior as a price we are willing to pay for gun ownership. As Bhawk has stated numerous times, it doesn't appear that this will ever change.
Precisely, sir
Hey Stephen, in the US as of 2010 there were 11.3 automobile related deaths per year per 100,000 people. We know it's not the cars that kill people, its the people. I was just wondering how many auto related deaths you think we would have this year if there were no cars?
Interesting analogy Doug, and I'd have to say without automobiles, there would be virtually no auto related deaths
the same thing would apply, IMO, to guns
a world without cars and guns -- it's interesting to ponder -- at the same time, there will never be such a world either -- not in our lifetime anyway -- as you said before quoting bhawk, nothing is likely to change, at least when it comes to firearms -- peace, best to all
It's all over the place, every day -- latest example, Oklahome family of 5, gunned down in their home -- 16 and 18 yr olds apprehended --
anyone who wants a gun can get one -- in this land of E Pluribus Unum, MONEY TALKSI agree Stephen, and it just seems to keep getting worse. We, as a country, seem to have accepted this behavior as a price we are willing to pay for gun ownership. As Bhawk has stated numerous times, it doesn't appear that this will ever change.
Precisely, sir
Hey Stephen, in the US as of 2010 there were 11.3 automobile related deaths per year per 100,000 people. We know it's not the cars that kill people, its the people. I was just wondering how many auto related deaths you think we would have this year if there were no cars?
Interesting analogy Doug, and I'd have to say without automobiles, there would be virtually no auto related deaths
the same thing would apply, IMO, to guns
a world without cars and guns -- it's interesting to ponder -- at the same time, there will never be such a world either -- not in our lifetime anyway -- as you said before quoting bhawk, nothing is likely to change, at least when it comes to firearms -- peace, best to all
Back at 'ya brother.
And on and on it goes........
Gunman kills 2, wounds 7 in Louisiana theater before taking own life
July 24 (Reuters) - A lone gunman opened fire inside a crowded movie theater in Lafayette, Louisiana, on Thursday evening, killing two people and wounding seven before taking his own life, police said.
Gunfire erupted during a 7 p.m. CDT (0000 GMT) showing of the film "Trainwreck". Two people died in the hail of bullets before the 58-year-old suspect killed himself with a handgun as officers rushed to the scene, Lafayette Police Chief Jim Craft said.
The shootings took place almost three years to the day after 12 people were killed at a cinema in Aurora, Colorado, and follows several mass shootings in the United States in recent weeks.
Authorities said seven people were wounded, three of them critically. One person underwent surgery and "was not doing well," Craft said.
Police said they knew the gunman's identity but were not releasing his name during the early stage of the investigation. They offered no immediate motive and did not disclose any clues they might have found.
"The shooter is deceased. We may never know," Craft said, adding that the man had criminal history that he described as "pretty old."
Police were collecting evidence from the theater and interviewing witnesses early on Friday after completing an inspection of the building and the suspect's car for possible explosives, said Sgt. Brooks David of the Louisiana State Police.
Investigators also headed to the gunman's home and would speak to his family and friends, Craft said.
None of the victims, who were described as ranging in age from teens to early 60s, were immediately identified by authorities.
GUNMAN SILENT
Witnesses said the gunman abruptly stood up in the darkness of the Grand 16 Theater about 20 minutes into the movie and began shooting.
"He wasn't saying anything. I didn't hear anybody screaming either," Katie Domingue, who was watching the film with her fiance, told the local Advertiser newspaper.
The bullets sent people scrambling from the theater, situated on a main thoroughfare in Lafayette, a city of about 120,000 people roughly 55 miles (90 km) southwest of Baton Rouge, police said.
President Barack Obama, who is traveling to Kenya on Friday, received a briefing about the shooting during a refueling stop in Germany, said White House spokesman Josh Earnest.
"The thoughts and prayers of everyone at the White House, including the President and First Lady, are with the community of Lafayette, Louisiana, especially the families of those who were killed," a statement said.
Republican Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal went to Lafayette to meet law enforcement and victims.
"This is an awful night for Lafayette. This is an awful night for Louisiana. This is an awful night for the United States," he said.
Jindal said that two of the wounded victims were teachers, one of whom told him that she survived the attack because her friend rolled over her as bullets rang out. That teacher then managed to pull a fire alarm in the theater, he said.
The shooting came three years after a gunman opened fire at a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, during a midnight screening of the Batman film, "The Dark Knight Rises", killing 12 people and wounding 70 others.
James Holmes, a former neuroscience graduate student at the University of Colorado, was convicted last week on 165 counts of murder, attempted murder and explosives in the July 20, 2012, rampage.
Jurors in that case were trying to determine if Holmes should face the death penalty or life in prison.
The United States has witnessed several mass shootings in the last two months.
A gunman is accused of a racially motivated shooting at a black church in South Carolina that killed nine church members in June. More recently, a gunman attacked military offices in Tennessee last week, killing five U.S. servicemen.
Jindal, who last month announced his candidacy for president, said he had ordered National Guard members at offices and other facilities to be armed in the wake of the Tennessee attack.
(Reporting by Dan Whitcomb and Victoria Cavaliere in Los Angeles; Editing by Dominic Evans)
We should put a gun under every seat in every movie theater in America.
We should put a gun under every seat in every movie theater in America.
What we really need in this country to curb gun violence and at the same time protect us from all the terrorists, lone wolf gunmen, criminals, and crazies is more guns. If everyone had a gun, or five or six, everywhere, in churches, schools, courthouses, recruiting stations, movie theaters, grocery stores, and street corners gun violence in the US would cease to exist. I don't know how those other countries have such low incidences of gun violence with so few guns. They are obviously headed down the wrong path.
That is getting kind of tiresome Doug, but I guess if it makes you feel better, keep on keeping on.
Honestly, what do you propose? Somehow magically getting rid of all guns?
I'd really be curious to hear your propositions.
That is getting kind of tiresome Doug, but I guess if it makes you feel better, keep on keeping on.
Honestly, what do you propose? Somehow magically getting rid of all guns?
I'd really be curious to hear your propositions.
Instead of record production of firearms in the US, stop all production for domestic use. Have a 3 year period for voluntary turning in of all hand guns and "assault" rifles. Allow single shot rifles and shotguns with rigorous training and licensing. Any use of a firearm in the commission of a crime during this three year period is an additional five year prison sentence on top of time for the crime. At the end of three years, begin confiscating all the banned weapons. Anyone found with a banned weapon gets an automatic 5 year prison sentence. Any weapon used in a crime is an automatic additional ten year sentence on top of time for the crime. Give it twenty years.
i guess all the talk about how if we just had more people armed with more guns and eliminated gun free zones the violence would stop does not get tiresome to you?
The mindset in this country is amazing to me. Re-posting a sarcastic post about more guns eliminating gun violence is tiresome, but more and more gun deaths and mass shootings are acceptable collateral damage for us to own all the guns we want. Thus, we have decided to do nothing, and thus nothing will ever change.
One of the mantras of the NRA is to enforce the gun laws that are already on the books.
The last gun I purchased from a small gun shop a few years ago, the "3 day waiting period" turned into a 5 or 6 day deal because that 3 days are "business days" so if it spans a weekend, days are tacked on.
It is kind of like when the mortgage meltdown happened. I got mortgages, refi's and what not and they dragged me through the ringer on proving I had income, bank accounts etc. I was totally confused as to why other people were not treated this way and apparently given mortgages with no means shown to be able to actually make the payments.
Doing a simple Google search I found the following, which to me is alarming and seems like it could easily be fixed.
No Check, No Sale? Where Do Gun Retailers Stand?
According to federal law, anyone who purchases a gun at a federally-licensed firearms dealer must
undergo a background check. In most cases, the background check is completed within minutes, but
in rare cases a check can take longer than three days. In those rare cases, there is something in that
potential buyer’s background that is uncertain--something that requires a little more investigation.
This was the case with the Charleston shooter. But due to an NRA-backed loophole in federal law, the
firearms dealer had the legal authority to sell him a gun after three days had elapsed---even though
the background check was not complete. The shooter used that gun in his attack on the Emanuel
AME Church on June 17, 2015.
The FBI only gets three days to complete potentially life-saving background checks before a gun
dealer has the authority--not an obligation--to complete the sale. Shockingly, between 2010 and
2014, 15,000 prohibited people were able to purchase a gun because a background check was not
completed. And while some states have laws that give authorities longer than three days before
moving forward with a sale, most do not. Some retailers, like Wal-Mart, have instituted policies to
prohibit the sale of a gun to a customer who hasn’t actually passed a completed background check.
We have reached out to the top firearms retailers in the United States to see whether they have such
a policy in place, and we are providing this list so that consumers can see which retailers are putting
public safety first with a “No, Check, No Sale” policy
NO CHECK, NO SALE POLICY IN PLACE
? Dicks Sporting Goods
? Big 5 Sporting Goods
? Academy Sports and Outdoors
? Walmart
? Sports Authority
? Dunham Sports
WILL SELL A GUN WITHOUT A COMPLETED BACKGROUND CHECK
X Cabelas
X EZ Pawn
X Bass Pro Shops
POLICY UNKNOWN
? Gander Mountain
? Turner’s Outdoorsman
? Sportsman’s Warehouse
? Davidsons Inc
? Bi-Mart
? Atwoods Ranch & Home
We should put a gun under every seat in every movie theater in America.
According to witnesses the victims could have had loaded pistols on their laps ready to fire and it wouldn't have mattered. The shooter attacked from behind in the dark. They never had a chance.
Abolish the 2nd Amendment and take things from there. Yeah I said it. I could give a sh1t less about your right to carry. Fcking rednecks.
No one, not even the craziest sonofabitch, would even think about attacking a movie theater if they knew that there is a gun under ever seat. It's all about peaceful prevention without ever needing to fire even a single shot, not about returning fire. At least that's what I keep hearing and reading.
We should put a gun under every seat in every movie theater in America.
That and hand out bullet proof vests and Kevlar helmets to every customer with their 3D glasses as they enter the theater.
Or better yet each seat should have its own bullet proof glass enclosure like they have in some banks.
See there are reasonable solutions so please stop blaming the object. 😛
We should put a gun under every seat in every movie theater in America.
According to witnesses the victims could have had loaded pistols on their laps ready to fire and it wouldn't have mattered. The shooter attacked from behind in the dark. They never had a chance.
Abolish the 2nd Amendment and take things from there. Yeah I said it. I could give a sh1t less about your right to carry. Fcking rednecks.
No one, not even the craziest sonofabitch, would even think about attacking a movie theater if they knew that there is a gun under ever seat. It's all about peaceful prevention without ever needing to fire even a single shot, not about returning fire. At least that's what I keep hearing and reading.
Yeah but this guy off'd himself after he finished his rampage so I don't think he was worried about someone else shooting him.
Maybe there should be snipers at the back of every theater with shoot to kill orders if anyone stands up during the movie. Sure a few innocents might get killed but that will be offset by all the lives that would be saved. Or at least that is what someone who will remain nameless who posts here seems to believe. 😉
That is getting kind of tiresome Doug, but I guess if it makes you feel better, keep on keeping on.
Honestly, what do you propose? Somehow magically getting rid of all guns?
I'd really be curious to hear your propositions.
Instead of record production of firearms in the US, stop all production for domestic use. Have a 3 year period for voluntary turning in of all hand guns and "assault" rifles. Allow single shot rifles and shotguns with rigorous training and licensing. Any use of a firearm in the commission of a crime during this three year period is an additional five year prison sentence on top of time for the crime. At the end of three years, begin confiscating all the banned weapons. Anyone found with a banned weapon gets an automatic 5 year prison sentence. Any weapon used in a crime is an automatic additional ten year sentence on top of time for the crime. Give it twenty years.
i guess all the talk about how if we just had more people armed with more guns and eliminated gun free zones the violence would stop does not get tiresome to you?
The mindset in this country is amazing to me. Re-posting a sarcastic post about more guns eliminating gun violence is tiresome, but more and more gun deaths and mass shootings are acceptable collateral damage for us to own all the guns we want. Thus, we have decided to do nothing, and thus nothing will ever change.
Are you worried about getting shot?
One of the mantras of the NRA is to enforce the gun laws that are already on the books.
The last gun I purchased from a small gun shop a few years ago, the "3 day waiting period" turned into a 5 or 6 day deal because that 3 days are "business days" so if it spans a weekend, days are tacked on.
It is kind of like when the mortgage meltdown happened. I got mortgages, refi's and what not and they dragged me through the ringer on proving I had income, bank accounts etc. I was totally confused as to why other people were not treated this way and apparently given mortgages with no means shown to be able to actually make the payments.
Doing a simple Google search I found the following, which to me is alarming and seems like it could easily be fixed.
No Check, No Sale? Where Do Gun Retailers Stand?
As many of you know, I live in Kansas, where there is essentially no gun control whatsoever. You can go to the Cabela's here and if you are 18 with a driver's license you can walk out with enough ordinance to invade Bolivia.
Is what it is. No going back.
ban ticket sales of n=1
problem solved.
We should put a gun under every seat in every movie theater in America.
According to witnesses the victims could have had loaded pistols on their laps ready to fire and it wouldn't have mattered. The shooter attacked from behind in the dark. They never had a chance.
Abolish the 2nd Amendment and take things from there. Yeah I said it. I could give a sh1t less about your right to carry. Fcking rednecks.
No one, not even the craziest sonofabitch, would even think about attacking a movie theater if they knew that there is a gun under ever seat. It's all about peaceful prevention without ever needing to fire even a single shot, not about returning fire. At least that's what I keep hearing and reading.
Yeah but this guy off'd himself after he finished his rampage so I don't think he was worried about someone else shooting him.
Maybe there should be snipers at the back of every theater with shoot to kill orders if anyone stands up during the movie. Sure a few innocents might get killed but that will be offset by all the lives that would be saved. Or at least that is what someone who will remain nameless who posts here seems to believe. 😉
If you don't think that guns serve as a deterrent, remove them from every citizen that
doesn't live a life of crime and watch what happens. You've just made criminality an
easier occupation.
You can use these isolated incidents to joke around and act like it proves a point, but keep
in mind that nobody ever said that more guns would stop all gun violence. Nobody ever
said that every incident would be stopped by a lawful conceal carry. THERE'S A TRADE-OFF
INVOLVED. I offered numerical evidence of this yesterday. The use of straw man arguments
over logic and data provides evidence of a shaky position.
As many of you know, I live in Kansas, where there is essentially no gun control whatsoever. You can go to the Cabela's here and if you are 18 with a driver's license you can walk out with enough ordinance to invade Bolivia.
Is it like the Wild West there? Gunfights at the OK Corral?
We should put a gun under every seat in every movie theater in America.
According to witnesses the victims could have had loaded pistols on their laps ready to fire and it wouldn't have mattered. The shooter attacked from behind in the dark. They never had a chance.
Abolish the 2nd Amendment and take things from there. Yeah I said it. I could give a sh1t less about your right to carry. Fcking rednecks.
No one, not even the craziest sonofabitch, would even think about attacking a movie theater if they knew that there is a gun under ever seat. It's all about peaceful prevention without ever needing to fire even a single shot, not about returning fire. At least that's what I keep hearing and reading.
Yeah but this guy off'd himself after he finished his rampage so I don't think he was worried about someone else shooting him.
Maybe there should be snipers at the back of every theater with shoot to kill orders if anyone stands up during the movie. Sure a few innocents might get killed but that will be offset by all the lives that would be saved. Or at least that is what someone who will remain nameless who posts here seems to believe. 😉
If you don't think that guns serve as a deterrent, remove them from every citizen that
doesn't live a life of crime and watch what happens. You've just made criminality an
easier occupation.
I have seen nothing other than your opinion to support this theory. I don't believe it.
We should put a gun under every seat in every movie theater in America.
According to witnesses the victims could have had loaded pistols on their laps ready to fire and it wouldn't have mattered. The shooter attacked from behind in the dark. They never had a chance.
Abolish the 2nd Amendment and take things from there. Yeah I said it. I could give a sh1t less about your right to carry. Fcking rednecks.
No one, not even the craziest sonofabitch, would even think about attacking a movie theater if they knew that there is a gun under ever seat. It's all about peaceful prevention without ever needing to fire even a single shot, not about returning fire. At least that's what I keep hearing and reading.
Yeah but this guy off'd himself after he finished his rampage so I don't think he was worried about someone else shooting him.
Maybe there should be snipers at the back of every theater with shoot to kill orders if anyone stands up during the movie. Sure a few innocents might get killed but that will be offset by all the lives that would be saved. Or at least that is what someone who will remain nameless who posts here seems to believe. 😉
If you don't think that guns serve as a deterrent, remove them from every citizen that
doesn't live a life of crime and watch what happens. You've just made criminality an
easier occupation.You can use these isolated incidents to joke around and act like it proves a point, but keep
in mind that nobody ever said that more guns would stop all gun violence. Nobody ever
said that every incident would be stopped by a lawful conceal carry. THERE'S A TRADE-OFF
INVOLVED. I offered numerical evidence of this yesterday. The use of straw man arguments
over logic and data provides evidence of a shaky position.
I don't know Alloak, straw man arguments have always worked pretty well for you when you can't dispute the facts.
[Edited on 7/24/2015 by Bill_Graham]
