Here it is the speech. It is pretty clear which person in the thread is dishonest.
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Directly from the speech where The Pope never says “income inequality”:
“How much progress has been made in this area in so many parts of the world! How much has been done in these first years of the third millennium to raise people out of extreme poverty! I know that you share my conviction that much more still needs to be done, and that in times of crisis and economic hardship a spirit of global solidarity must not be lost. At the same time I would encourage you to keep in mind all those people around us who are trapped in a cycle of poverty. They too need to be given hope. The fight against poverty and hunger must be fought constantly and on many fronts, especially in its causes. I know that many Americans today, as in the past, are working to deal with this problem.
It goes without saying that part of this great effort is the creation and distribution of wealth. The right use of natural resources, the proper application of technology and the harnessing of the spirit of enterprise are essential elements of an economy which seeks to be modern, inclusive and sustainable. “Business is a noble vocation, directed to producing wealth and improving the world. It can be a fruitful source of prosperity for the area in which it operates, especially if it sees the creation of jobs as an essential part of its service to the common good”
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Nowhere does Pope Francis mention the liberal’s rant about income redistribution. When The Pope refers to “raise people out of extreme poverty” the liberal’s reinterpret to mean income inequality which is not what The Pope said.
The Pope does talk about giving poor people an opportunity to share in the wealth and, in the end of this section, he talks about the creation of jobs which is exactly where The Obama administration and the Democrats have failed.
As The Pope said “all those people around us who are trapped in a cycle of poverty” he is talking about having a job and the dignity of a job; not about the government taking more from the working class and handing it out to the poor thus keeping them poor.
To understand what The Pope said your first need to take off your liberal filter glasses and read the actual words spoken.
Again, you are 100% wrong. Let's see why...
You said: Pope Francis did not call for an end to income inequality and to fight climate change.
Then I said: He absolutely did, on both accounts!
Then you said: Again you lie. Nowhere will you find The Pope using the words “income inequality” or “fight climate change”.
So, let's look at these two specific issues...
Income Inequality
The paragraphs that YOU cited above are about the "distribution of wealth" (his words) i.e. income inequality. He said we must give hope to those who "are trapped in a cycle of poverty" and that "the fight against poverty and hunger must be fought constantly and on many fronts." Clearly, based on his words which you just cited, income inequality is a top if not THE top issue for this Pope.
Fight Climate Change
These were his very next words after the section you quoted above: "This common good also includes the earth, a central theme of the encyclical which I recently wrote in order to “enter into dialogue with all people about our common home” (ibid., 3). “We need a conversation which includes everyone, since the environmental challenge we are undergoing, and its human roots, concern and affect us all” (ibid., 14)."
He goes on to say: "I call for a courageous and responsible effort to “redirect our steps” (ibid., 61), and to avert the most serious effects of the environmental deterioration caused by human activity. I am convinced that we can make a difference and I have no doubt that the United States – and this Congress – have an important role to play."
That is a pretty clear challenge to the US and specifically congress to do more to fight climate change.
So what's next, are you going to argue that the sky is yellow and the sun is blue?
The wind in the willows played tea for two
The sky was yellow and the sun was blue
Strangers stopping strangers just to shake their hand
Everybody's playing in the heart of gold band...
Give the poor more opportunity not more of my or anyone elses paycheck except the hedge fund guys they can pay a more equitable tax rate.
Here it is the speech. It is pretty clear which person in the thread is dishonest.
_________________________________________________________________________
Directly from the speech where The Pope never says “income inequality”:
“How much progress has been made in this area in so many parts of the world! How much has been done in these first years of the third millennium to raise people out of extreme poverty! I know that you share my conviction that much more still needs to be done, and that in times of crisis and economic hardship a spirit of global solidarity must not be lost. At the same time I would encourage you to keep in mind all those people around us who are trapped in a cycle of poverty. They too need to be given hope. The fight against poverty and hunger must be fought constantly and on many fronts, especially in its causes. I know that many Americans today, as in the past, are working to deal with this problem.
It goes without saying that part of this great effort is the creation and distribution of wealth. The right use of natural resources, the proper application of technology and the harnessing of the spirit of enterprise are essential elements of an economy which seeks to be modern, inclusive and sustainable. “Business is a noble vocation, directed to producing wealth and improving the world. It can be a fruitful source of prosperity for the area in which it operates, especially if it sees the creation of jobs as an essential part of its service to the common good”
--- *** ---
Nowhere does Pope Francis mention the liberal’s rant about income redistribution. When The Pope refers to “raise people out of extreme poverty” the liberal’s reinterpret to mean income inequality which is not what The Pope said.
The Pope does talk about giving poor people an opportunity to share in the wealth and, in the end of this section, he talks about the creation of jobs which is exactly where The Obama administration and the Democrats have failed.
As The Pope said “all those people around us who are trapped in a cycle of poverty” he is talking about having a job and the dignity of a job; not about the government taking more from the working class and handing it out to the poor thus keeping them poor.
To understand what The Pope said your first need to take off your liberal filter glasses and read the actual words spoken.
Again, you are 100% wrong. Let's see why...
You said: Pope Francis did not call for an end to income inequality and to fight climate change.
Then I said: He absolutely did, on both accounts!
Then you said: Again you lie. Nowhere will you find The Pope using the words “income inequality” or “fight climate change”.
So, let's look at these two specific issues...
Income Inequality
The paragraphs that YOU cited above are about the "distribution of wealth" (his words) i.e. income inequality. He said we must give hope to those who "are trapped in a cycle of poverty" and that "the fight against poverty and hunger must be fought constantly and on many fronts." Clearly, based on his words which you just cited, income inequality is a top if not THE top issue for this Pope.Fight Climate Change
These were his very next words after the section you quoted above: "This common good also includes the earth, a central theme of the encyclical which I recently wrote in order to “enter into dialogue with all people about our common home” (ibid., 3). “We need a conversation which includes everyone, since the environmental challenge we are undergoing, and its human roots, concern and affect us all” (ibid., 14)."He goes on to say: "I call for a courageous and responsible effort to “redirect our steps” (ibid., 61), and to avert the most serious effects of the environmental deterioration caused by human activity. I am convinced that we can make a difference and I have no doubt that the United States – and this Congress – have an important role to play."
That is a pretty clear challenge to the US and specifically congress to do more to fight climate change.
So what's next, are you going to argue that the sky is yellow and the sun is blue?
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Income Inequality
The paragraphs that YOU cited above are about the "distribution of wealth" (his words) i.e. income inequality. He said we must give hope to those who "are trapped in a cycle of poverty" and that "the fight against poverty and hunger must be fought constantly and on many fronts." Clearly, based on his words which you just cited, income inequality is a top if not THE top issue for this Pope.
- That is your interpretation of The Pope’s words as you strive to force his words to support your political and social agenda. Jobs are, exactly as he said, the path to prosperity for the poor. Nowhere does The Pope say the government should take more and more money from the people who got a good education and worked hard to earn what they have to hand it out to the endless, multi-generational entitlement society.
Fight Climate Change
These were his very next words after the section you quoted above: "This common good also includes the earth, a central theme of the encyclical which I recently wrote in order to “enter into dialogue with all people about our common home” (ibid., 3). “We need a conversation which includes everyone, since the environmental challenge we are undergoing, and its human roots, concern and affect us all” (ibid., 14)."
He goes on to say: "I call for a courageous and responsible effort to “redirect our steps” (ibid., 61), and to avert the most serious effects of the environmental deterioration caused by human activity. I am convinced that we can make a difference and I have no doubt that the United States – and this Congress – have an important role to play."
That is a pretty clear challenge to the US and specifically congress to do more to fight climate change.
- Again that is your attempt to misrepresent The Pope’s words and force them into your political agenda. Nowhere did The Pope say anything about the government setting emissions level standards so high the tens of thousands of coal miners out of a job and push them and their families onto the dole. Nowhere does The Pope say the government should take even more money from the people who have earned it and drive the country deeper into debt to fight against an unproven climate change scheme. Nowhere does The Pope support Obama’s crony capitalism system to give millions of taxpayer’s money to Obama’s political supporters. What he does want is a discussion amongst scientists and research institutions to determine what can be done to protect our common home.
Interestingly you and your liberal pals hone in on to only two issues that you have attempted to use The Pope’s words inaccurately to push your political and social agenda but do not mention The Pope’s words about protecting human life from conception through their entire life and his plea to respect everyone’s religious freedoms and rights.
Not convenient for your political and social agenda?
This is interesting, I did not even know Ralph Nader was still around. The tape doesn't seem to really be about waging peace, it seems more like questioning what is going on. It's about "wars of aggression" waged by people other than Congress. Congress does not decide what it going on. They have "surrendered their Congressional authority to the White House".
“We are gathered here to initiate a new burst of energy, to wage peace, and resist criminal wars of aggression” Nader observed. He said the use of brute force as an instrument of foreign policy, “affects our country in a very devastating manner.”Administrative death panels are held weekly in Washington, Nader indicated “President Obama gathers his security advisors in the White House, and they decide who’s going to live and who’s going to die, in Yemen or Somalia, or Iraq or Afghanistan or Pakistan, you name it -- drones,” he said
“President Obama gives the thumbs up, or thumbs down. Who authorized him to do that? Where is the imminent peril requirement? And what happens when they expand it, and it is not stopped?” Nader spoke at length about blowback, the increase in enemy resistance to such acts.
“Apart from the brutal homicide that’s involved here, apart from the criminality, do you think that’s a smart move, from our own national security,” Nader asked. “Look at the cost. All empires eventually devour themselves,” he said.
REMARKS: Wow. The Pope thinks he can lead the way to Peace, but the reality of our foreign policies and the evolution of how we wage war (military intervention, drones, etc.)
[Edited on 9/26/2015 by gina]
