Is this like a Monica Lewinsky type effort to get him impeached? But the event happened before he was President so it cannot have any bearing on his impeachment case. The timing is just very strange. The story itself is very strange. [Edited on 1/30/2020 by gina]
This is an old story. E. Jean Caroll, the alleged victim, wrote for SNL and now writes for Elle magazine. She raised the issue as part of the #metoo movement in 2019 & when Trump tweeted he'd never heard of her & had, of course, unpleasant things to say about her, she filed a defamation suit in November. In the course of that trial, there would be a demand for DNA evidence because she kept the dress & a DNA comparison could be evidence that Trump, indeed, knew her. This has nothing to do w/impeachment. It's merely a case working thru the system.
The account of the event seems strange and untimely. We'll see what happens.
The account of the event seems strange and untimely. We'll see what happens.
This is off topic, Gina but seems right up his alley. Remember, all the women who claim he groped them. They are all liars, but we know that Trump, being the honest, ethical, and moral guy that he is would be the only one speaking the truth.
She may be speaking the truth but it seems a little out there that she is going through the store with him when she does not know him and willingly helps him find the lingerie department on another floor and puts up with him wanting her to try on a bodysuit. Then she does not even know if he climaxed, if he did some of it would have come out. That would be noticable. Then she keeps the dress all these years. Why would you want that in your home as a memory? As an act of self empowerment I would think someone would get it away from themselves by throwing it out. Designer clothing or not.
Her book will probably sell.
If Bolton gets his book published that will sell also.
The account of the event seems strange and untimely.
The allegations are certainly old, but she told 2 people immediately after it allegedly happened. She didn't raise the issue until the time when women in all kinds of fields - entertainment, TV news, publishing - told their #metoo stories & those men, like Matt Lauer & Charlie Rose, were fired & like Weinstein, are currently being tried.
No sexual assault charges were brought against Trump. It was his tweets that said he didn't know her & made derogatory comments about her that led to her defamation case filed in November in Manhattan. That is about the pace ANY case would take going thru the system to request DNA for comparison w/the dress she was wearing & kept. The only reason it's getting any press at all is because she's well-known in NYC, a published author (4+ books) & has had a monthly column in a "woman's magazine" for more than 10 years. It's more of a #metoo story than anything about impeachment.
[Edited on 1/31/2020 by cyclone88]
She may be speaking the truth but it seems a little out there that she is going through the store with him when she does not know him and willingly helps him find the lingerie department on another floor and puts up with him wanting her to try on a bodysuit. Then she does not even know if he climaxed, if he did some of it would have come out. That would be noticable. Then she keeps the dress all these years. Why would you want that in your home as a memory? As an act of self empowerment I would think someone would get it away from themselves by throwing it out. Designer clothing or not.
Her book will probably sell.
If Bolton gets his book published that will sell also.
It looks like prezy iis doing what he can to stop or delay Bolton's book under the guise of national security exposure. Ironic isn't it. Trump is a walking talking national security risk. Look at the examples of national security he has exposed as well as info from Israel.
It looks like prezy iis doing what he can to stop or delay Bolton's book under the guise of national security exposure. Ironic isn't it. Trump is a walking talking national security risk. Look at the examples of national security he has exposed as well as info from Israel.
But, wait, Trump WANTS Bolton to testify and talk to the American people.
Cyclone has tried very hard to keep this on topic. Gina, the Jean Carroll accusation is old. It's back in the news with the potential dna test, but it isn't really related if anything should be somewhere else.
Who wants to block Bolton's book? Trump? That could be as much to spite Bolton and ruin his capitalization and day in the sun as much as really trying to hide anything. After all, don't we essentially know what it says on the only topic people would want to buy it for? Trump is very vindictive, if he can keep Bolton's book from being published that alone surely would be a win in the mind of Trump even absent immpeachmrnt/Ukraine.
Ok, Friyay will have votes for witnesses?
Trump is very vindictive, if he can keep Bolton's book from being published that alone surely would be a win in the mind of Trump even absent immpeachmrnt/Ukraine.
Ok, Friyay will have votes for witnesses?
You're right. In typical fashion, Trump is being vindictive about anyone who crosses him so he's using the theory that the book is "classified" & can't be published as is. A letter was sent to Bolton's publisher threatening litigation. Apparently, Bolton has political aspirations & Trump is likely to do anything to quash his chances.
His comment about Schiff being "unable to sleep at night, sweating like a dog, what a sick guy he is" because Trump is getting away w/his actions while the trial is ongoing is abhorrent. DJT has lost the final ounce of self-restraint he had.
Tomorrow's schedule is 4 hours of debate, a vote for/against witnesses, & vote re acquittal.
I can’t believe that this is the point where the Republicans are going to abandon the separation of powers laid out in the Constitution and throw their entire party’s lot in with a total charlatan, but it is apparently going to happen. Remember when people were saying, “Trump would be surrounded by responsible people, how much damage can he really do?”? We are witnessing an all-time low in the politics of cynicism. The GOP knows that demographics have made their policies unsustainable, and have decided to burn the place down on their way out.
Trump is very vindictive, if he can keep Bolton's book from being published that alone surely would be a win in the mind of Trump even absent immpeachmrnt/Ukraine.
Ok, Friyay will have votes for witnesses?
You're right. In typical fashion, Trump is being vindictive about anyone who crosses him so he's using the theory that the book is "classified" & can't be published as is. A letter was sent to Bolton's publisher threatening litigation. Apparently, Bolton has political aspirations & Trump is likely to do anything to quash his chances.
His comment about Schiff being "unable to sleep at night, sweating like a dog, what a sick guy he is" because Trump is getting away w/his actions while the trial is ongoing is abhorrent. DJT has lost the final ounce of self-restraint he had.
Tomorrow's schedule is 4 hours of debate, a vote for/against witnesses, & vote re acquittal.
The fix was in before the Senate took up this matter. Mitch made sure of this. Final score: Sheep 50 or more and American public + the Constitution 0.
The fix was in before the Senate took up this matter. Mitch made sure of this. Final score: Sheep 50 or more and American public + the Constitution 0.
The score is more like Sheep 50+ & Americans/Constitution a -100.
I expected Trump to be acquitted. I watched because I think it's important for us to see such rare occurrences in our history (although there've been 3 in my lifetime counting Nixon) and I fully expected a Motion to Dismiss to be made & granted after the House Managers stated their case. A sham trial.
What has made things far worse is the winning defense theory that the prez can do anything he wants if it believes it to be in the public interest - ignore congress, ignore the constitution, invite foreign governments to investigate US citizens, ask foreign governments to "fix" out elections, call executive privilege on anything, use executive powers to do anything (remember his 1st weekend in office & worldwide travel was shut down because of his ban on Muslims entering the US - citizens or not), pardon himself, and whatever else he wants. The Senate GOP just committed suicide.
Trump's lawyers didn't defend him. They created districtations like "call the Bidens as witnesses" knowing that neither Biden would've known what Trump said to his WH staff & advisers so their testimony would've been a waste of time. They used scare tactics like votes cast in 2016 will be overturned knowing perfectly well that Trump was elected, sworn into office, & remains president; Hillary Clinton isn't waiting in the wings to take over. They couldn't defend on the merits so they created tangents & brush fires.
What even THEY didn't seem to expect was the insanity of Alan Dershowitz proclaiming that a prez who believes his remaining in office is in the public interest can do ANYTHING HE WANTS based on no reasoning whatsoever. Dershowitz made it up. Even Trump's lawyers have distanced themselves from him. The author of the single law journal article that analyzed Johnson's 1868 impeachment proclaimed Dershowitz's mistaken reading of that article. He wasn't even allowed to show up & sit w/the president's counsel on Thursday. They know he's gone off the rails & taken the senate GOP w/him.
Before the impeachment & trial, I thought Trump's acquittal would be nothing more than partisan politics & 4 more years of Trump. Now, I think it's absolutely emboldened Trump, eliminated any power of Congress to oversee much less stop his worst impulses, and we have an autocrat in office. The courts remain the only resort for any rational check on the Exec.
So what there's an election in November? It will not be fair or untainted or represent the will of the people. Why bother to walk around the corner to vote?
I can’t believe that this is the point where the Republicans are going to abandon the separation of powers laid out in the Constitution and throw their entire party’s lot in with a total charlatan, but it is apparently going to happen. Remember when people were saying, “Trump would be surrounded by responsible people, how much damage can he really do?”? We are witnessing an all-time low in the politics of cynicism. The GOP knows that demographics have made their policies unsustainable, and have decided to burn the place down on their way out.
100%. And the other safeguard "There will always be an adult in the room to mind him."
It's been suggested that the GOP actually fear for their lives & there's no other reason that would cause ALL of them to vote in solidarity, especially Alexander who isn't even running for re-election.
So what there's an election in November? It will not be fair or untainted or represent the will of the people. Why bother to walk around the corner to vote?
i understand the feeling, but i predict the largest voter turnout in U.S. history, especially with democrats doing everything they can to vote him out. it's their last resort and they know it. no way does the left lay down come election day. if he wins again via the electoral college, then we'll continue as we always have. use our courts to maintain a checks and balance. the largest threat we face is whether he arranges a way in which he doesn't have to leave, leading to the fall of the United States with a new oligarchy.
Agree.
What concerns me is that if the Dems end up with Bernie, he will be portrayed easily by Russian Don as the socialist he is, and I don't think the country is ready for that. Everything Trump has done in Ukraine was aimed at Biden and what Trumpy continues to tweet and say is to minimize Joe. Trump knows Joe is a formidable foe, and he's been trying to take Joe out now. Hopefully the Dems will have the sense to not put the party in the place of running Bernie.
i understand the feeling, but i predict the largest voter turnout in U.S. history, especially with democrats doing everything they can to vote him out. it's their last resort and they know it. no way does the left lay down come election day. if he wins again via the electoral college, then we'll continue as we always have. use our courts to maintain a checks and balance. the largest threat we face is whether he arranges a way in which he doesn't have to leave, leading to the fall of the United States with a new oligarchy.
Agree.
What concerns me is that if the Dems end up with Bernie, he will be portrayed easily by Russian Don as the socialist he is, and I don't think the country is ready for that. Everything Trump has done in Ukraine was aimed at Biden and what Trumpy continues to tweet and say is to minimize Joe. Trump knows Joe is a formidable foe, and he's been trying to take Joe out now. Hopefully the Dems will have the sense to not put the party in the place of running Bernie.
You're very optimistic. I'm not going to get into who is running because frankly, I don't know, but if the Dems had ANY hope of winning it means they pick a person, the rest drop out NOW, & every effort is made to put a winner in office. Bloomberg seems to me to be the only choice. Trump got exactly what he wanted in that Biden is tainted as "corrupt."
OR, CJ Rehnquist will inexplicably & unilaterally expand his own powers this afternoon & declare a mistrial so we can go back to pre-Impeachment days.
There's a yin and yang to politics. For me, Trump is just the furthest to the right conservative we've ever elected. So what if Bernie gets in? If he does, the more left-leaning liberals might finally see some of their issues and wishes addressed. If it takes a perceived "socialist" to get cannabis legalized on a national level - so be it. If we hate Bernie otherwise, we vote him out after one term. "Moderates" are "centralists". Biden and Bloomberg are pretty much kinder, more polite versions of Republicans. One thing to keep in mind about Bloomberg: he's another very wealthy media man. He has paid for that positive image that you have of him.. 😉
There's a yin and yang to politics. For me, Trump is just the furthest to the right conservative we've ever elected. So what if Bernie gets in? If he does, the more left-leaning liberals might finally see some of their issues and wishes addressed. If it takes a perceived "socialist" to get cannabis legalized on a national level - so be it. If we hate Bernie otherwise, we vote him out after one term. "Moderates" are "centralists". Biden and Bloomberg are pretty much kinder, more polite versions of Republicans. One thing to keep in mind about Bloomberg: he's another very wealthy media man. He has paid for that positive image that you have of him.. 😉
That's a good post, but I'll raise a couple points.
I don't think Trump is a conservative. He's more a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's an opportunist and has and will change his positions and say what needs to be said to benefit one person - himself. We can have an esoteric conversation on his postions and what does and doesn't constitute conservatism. Nationalism? Just because he appointed SC conservative judges does not make him a conservative. Are his fiscal policies reflective of conversative ways of classic & neoclassic economic theorists and the normal GOP stated beliefs? Are his crisiticms of monetary policies leveled at the Fed reflective of a conservative?
I'm all for legalizing cannabis. It is on the path to happening. Not sure it happens any faster with Bernie.
There's a yin and yang to politics. One thing to keep in mind about Bloomberg: he's another very wealthy media man. He has paid for that positive image that you have of him.. 😉
I don't have a positive image of him; he was mayor of NYC where I live. I think he's the only one w/national name recognition & $ to beat Trump.
Trump has no principles or ideals so there can't be a yin to his yang.
2112 posted the following question
Let me ask you this. If Hillary were to have offered a Russian bank financial aid in exchange for Trumps Tax returns under the guise of a corruption investigation, would you be ok with it? If not, how is it really different?
1) Doesn't answer my request you show where I have posted anything against the impeachment.
2) Nice try to deflect a request with a question that has no relevance to the thread.I thought I remembered you posting that you were against impeachment. I don't have time to search for it, so based on your response here I guess I was wrong, and I apologize if I lumped you in with the others incorrectly.
That said, we still have posters here that would never be against Trump regardless of what he did. Those same posters would be all over a Democrat for doing the exact same thing. I find that not only sad, but also scary.
Thank you for the response.
On some of the recent posts...I really do not believe Trump is a 'conservative'. I mean that definition itself is up for debate really. And part of the problem with labels all together.
Biden and Bloomberg do not represent the more left-wing ideals of the party, but neither does Klobuchar or Buttigieg really. Bernie and Warren give the liberals all their wish list items. Even if a more moderate Democrat candidate gets elected, I think most liberals should be happy with the choice. I know some people want to turnover the apple cart, but Biden or Bloomberg or Mayor Pete or Amy are going offer the Democrats much of what they are after. Doesn't mean they can actually get legislation passed matching what they want, but they will take that approach and push along those lines. Bernie's ideals might be the goal, but are they actually realistic? Most are not when you consider they have to pass through Congress and not every Democrat sees it the same way to begin with. If they did we'd have single payer health care already. Think Bernie can actually get that done what Obama couldn't? Obama said he preferred single payer, but it wasn't possible (paraphrasing). Industry lobbyists have their tentacles deep in Congress.
Sure Bloomberg is an old white billionaire and used to call himself a Republican. Take those labels off his candidacy and I think liberals will be pretty happy with his positions on big issues that matter to them. Not all the issues, granted. But most and a better alternative on the others. Same with Joe and all the other moderates.
Part of me feels the angst against Trump is so strong anyone can beat him. Then another part of me thinks that Bernie or Warren would have a hard time beating him.
I think the Democrats stand a better chance to nominate one of the moderates, bury their respective hatchets and if they unify behind the nominee they will take the White House. Within this line of thought, if they stay home and pout like last time rather than voting for Hillary, there is a chance, maybe a chance they lose. I echo the sentiment about record turnout to defeat Trump and the math might even be on their side. The closer we get to election time however, the more I think who the candidate is matters.
This is an impeachment thread, but they are adjourned for the weekend so we're left to ramble about whatever I suppose.
I used to think Biden was the Democrat's best hope to win in November. I don't think that any more. I sense some of the posters here are thinking that person is Bloomberg. And I agree. Who will his running mate be? A woman or a minority for damn sure.
Part of me feels the angst against Trump is so strong anyone can beat him. Then another part of me thinks that Bernie or Warren would have a hard time beating him.
I think the Democrats stand a better chance to nominate one of the moderates, bury their respective hatchets and if they unify behind the nominee they will take the White House. Within this line of thought, if they stay home and pout like last time rather than voting for Hillary, there is a chance, maybe a chance they lose. I echo the sentiment about record turnout to defeat Trump and the math might even be on their side. The closer we get to election time however, the more I think who the candidate is matters.
This is an impeachment thread, but they are adjourned for the weekend so we're left to ramble about whatever I suppose.
I used to think Biden was the Democrat's best hope to win in November. I don't think that any more. I sense some of the posters here are thinking that person is Bloomberg. And I agree. Who will his running mate be? A woman or a minority for damn sure.
After 2 weeks of trial, I feel the opposite - that Trump has a stronghold on the GOP & representatives up for re-election are terrified to go against him lest they lose this mysterious "base." Although the senators haven't each had their 10 minutes to state their position re the case against Trump, the GOP senators are expected to say either they believe the case presented against Trump is true but it doesn't warrant removing him from office ("get over it") or they think the 17 witnesses described to them were lying & the dems made the whole thing up. If their constituents were contacting them saying "vote to REMOVE him," the outcome wouldn't be a predictable acquittal. Trump really can shoot someone on 5th Ave & get away w/it.
I said earlier the dems need to act as a unit & get behind someone who has a chance of beating Trump - assuming there will be no Russian, Chinese or other interference in the election - & stop competing w/each other for the nomination. Trump got what he wanted w/impeachment in that he'll misrepresent his acquittal as proof that Biden is corrupt. Bloomberg is the only option w/the national name recognition & $$$ to beat Trump. No one is going to vote on policy in 2020. They're voting for/against Trump.
The vitriol against HRC is so deep that it extends to ANY woman for another 8 years.
So what there's an election in November? It will not be fair or untainted or represent the will of the people. Why bother to walk around the corner to vote?
i understand the feeling, but i predict the largest voter turnout in U.S. history, especially with democrats doing everything they can to vote him out. it's their last resort and they know it. no way does the left lay down come election day. if he wins again via the electoral college, then we'll continue as we always have. use our courts to maintain a checks and balance. the largest threat we face is whether he arranges a way in which he doesn't have to leave, leading to the fall of the United States with a new oligarchy.
Russia's practice run in Iowa - was it software? coding? hardware? data entry? - worked well. Think it'll be perfected by November. See even less reason to walk around the corner to vote after that little fiasco.
So what there's an election in November? It will not be fair or untainted or represent the will of the people. Why bother to walk around the corner to vote?
i understand the feeling, but i predict the largest voter turnout in U.S. history, especially with democrats doing everything they can to vote him out. it's their last resort and they know it. no way does the left lay down come election day. if he wins again via the electoral college, then we'll continue as we always have. use our courts to maintain a checks and balance. the largest threat we face is whether he arranges a way in which he doesn't have to leave, leading to the fall of the United States with a new oligarchy.
Russia's practice run in Iowa - was it software? coding? hardware? data entry? - worked well. Think it'll be perfected by November. See even less reason to walk around the corner to vote after that little fiasco.
Seems there might be a little something "extra" in what happened in Iowa since the Buttigieg campaign paid the company for "software rights and subscriptions" (total found so far $42,500) in 2019.
I guess that means he is a Russian operative bound and determined to screw up the Iowa caucuses and he could have probably been found last night bowing and scraping while doing a video conference with Putin.
I wonder if any recounts are in the future.
I wonder if any recounts are in the future.
If they have paper ballots why do they need anything more?
Between foreign interference, corruption, and just plain incompetence, I'm surprised anyone goes to the polls at all.
I wonder if any recounts are in the future.
If they have paper ballots why do they need anything more?
Between foreign interference, corruption, and just plain incompetence, I'm surprised anyone goes to the polls at all.
In one of the articles I read about the situation, I was directed to a Twitter accounts for some Dems. The big repeated was about the DNC was "manually changing votes from Bernie to Biden".
The only votes that count are those in the Senate today. Wonder if they'll be tallied correctly...
I wonder if any recounts are in the future.
If they have paper ballots why do they need anything more?
Between foreign interference, corruption, and just plain incompetence, I'm surprised anyone goes to the polls at all.
In one of the articles I read about the situation, I was directed to a Twitter accounts for some Dems. The big repeated was about the DNC was "manually changing votes from Bernie to Biden".
And exactly who is the source of this article? and obviously it didn't work out so well did it since Pete seems to be Iowa's choice and Biden is currently 4th...Why do you fall for conspiracy theories and why do so many republicans do the same. Maybe that was what was in HC emails all along the 2020 dem Iowa caucus results
The only votes that count are those in the Senate today. Wonder if they'll be tallied correctly...
Nadler has already said they are going to subpoena Bolton and that the investigations will continue....more articles may come soon. More truths will be told.
The only votes that count are those in the Senate today. Wonder if they'll be tallied correctly...
Nadler has already said they are going to subpoena Bolton and that the investigations will continue....more articles may come soon. More truths will be told.
Awaiting to see Bolton do the talk show circuit. He'll be labled just another disgruntled former Trump employee. He can't be trusted. The only one who speaks truth is Trump...oh and Kellyanne. Bolton needed to be drained like the rest of the swamp.
Nadler has already said they are going to subpoena Bolton and that the investigations will continue....more articles may come soon. More truths will be told.
Seems pointless. The HR planned to subpoena Bolton & his deputy & were blocked by their lawyers. Trump also asserted "absolute immunity" (which doesn't exist) & "executive privilege" which would be litigated. They punted to the Senate on the belief they had more influence & resources to obtain witness testimony (ha!).
Bolton said he'd be willing to testify IN THE SENATE during an IMPEACHMENT TRIAL if SUBPOENAED. He never offered to make blanket statements to anyone at any time. He can let his book & book tour do the talking.
The HR oversight committees will continue their duties, but they're toothless now.
