Let's see if we can have a rational discussion about something that should be near and dear to all of our hearts, open and unfettered access to the worldwide web...
How many here agree with Ted Cruz when he called it "Obamacare for the Internet" (and he wasn't paying it a compliment) earlier today? Or do you agree with tech watchers like those at Gizmodo who called Cruz's stance "a disingenuous, chickenshit political maneuver and nothing more." Or are you somewhere in the middle?
Personally, I am having a hard time deciding how I feel about this, but at this point I lean toward net neutrality as I think it is likely the better scenario for the consumer aka the American public.
[Edited on 11/10/2014 by gondicar]
What's wrong with the internet right now?
What's wrong with the internet right now?
That depends on who you ask.
Net Neutrality involves ISPs and their ability to control what we can see/access on the internet and at what speeds. For example, without some rules regarding Net Neutrality, ISPs would be able to block content and speech they don’t like, reject apps that compete with their own offerings, and prioritize web traffic by reserving the fastest loading speeds for the highest bidders and sticking everyone else with the slowest.
Some believe that losing Net Neutrality will amount to corporate censorship, less privacy, less innovation, and limited access to web content and apps for all but the highest bidders. Others believe letting the market sort it out on its own with no regulation whatsoever will ultimately lead to more innovation and access.
Google Net Neutrality and you can decide for yourself who to believe. Here's a few links to get you started:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-net-neutrality-debate-in-2-minutes-or-less/
http://www.internetsociety.org/publications/isp-column-april-2014-rip-net-neutrality
http://broadband.about.com/od/netneutrality/a/What-Is-Net-Neutrality_2.htm
What's wrong with the internet right now?
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While there are some "bad things" with the internet, by far there is much more good.
If anyone wants it totals screwed up, let the government regulate it.
Once regulation starts it will never go away.
Freedom of speech is already under attack in The U.S.
Let's not make it worse.
What's wrong with the internet right now?
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While there are some "bad things" with the internet, by far there is much more good.
If anyone wants it totals screwed up, let the government regulate it.
Once regulation starts it will never go away.Freedom of speech is already under attack in The U.S.
Let's not make it worse.
How does preserving net neutrality limit freedom of speech exactly?
What's wrong with the internet right now?
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While there are some "bad things" with the internet, by far there is much more good.
If anyone wants it totals screwed up, let the government regulate it.
Once regulation starts it will never go away.Freedom of speech is already under attack in The U.S.
Let's not make it worse.How does preserving net neutrality limit freedom of speech exactly?
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The point is to keep the government out of internet control or regulation.
What's wrong with the internet right now?
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While there are some "bad things" with the internet, by far there is much more good.
If anyone wants it totals screwed up, let the government regulate it.
Once regulation starts it will never go away.Freedom of speech is already under attack in The U.S.
Let's not make it worse.How does preserving net neutrality limit freedom of speech exactly?
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The point is to keep the government out of internet control or regulation.
So you don't know? Now I totally understand where you are coming from on this issue. Thanks.
What's wrong with the internet right now?
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While there are some "bad things" with the internet, by far there is much more good.
If anyone wants it totals screwed up, let the government regulate it.
Once regulation starts it will never go away.Freedom of speech is already under attack in The U.S.
Let's not make it worse.How does preserving net neutrality limit freedom of speech exactly?
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The point is to keep the government out of internet control or regulation.
So you don't know? Now I totally understand where you are coming from on this issue. Thanks.
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You are obviously ignorant of the salient points.
Like how preserving net neutrality limits freedom of speech? How does that work exactly?
What's wrong with the internet right now?
_________________________________________________
While there are some "bad things" with the internet, by far there is much more good.
If anyone wants it totals screwed up, let the government regulate it.
Once regulation starts it will never go away.Freedom of speech is already under attack in The U.S.
Let's not make it worse.How does preserving net neutrality limit freedom of speech exactly?
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The point is to keep the government out of internet control or regulation.
If Obama is for net neutrality muletool is against it.
Pretty simple.
If ted cruz is against it, it must be a good idea.
What's wrong with the internet right now?
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While there are some "bad things" with the internet, by far there is much more good.
If anyone wants it totals screwed up, let the government regulate it.
Once regulation starts it will never go away.Freedom of speech is already under attack in The U.S.
Let's not make it worse.How does preserving net neutrality limit freedom of speech exactly?
___________________________________________
The point is to keep the government out of internet control or regulation.
If Obama is for net neutrality muletool is against it.
Pretty simple.
If ted cruz is against it, it must be a good idea.
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Interesting comments that say nothing. Typical liberal, all mouth, no brains.
“Net Neutrality” is a cute name (like the affordable care act which is not affordable) by the obama administration for political control of the internet.
Obama has long said he wanted control and now he is pushing the FCC to give him the regulation he has sought.
Obama wants the FCC to regulate and rule the internet like a utility. We have seen many times before what happens when government holds sway over anything; they manipulate it to their political advantage.
What we will get is price controls, an internet sales tax, government control over thought and politically motivated jurisdiction of “acceptable” speech.
You can’t put lipstick on this pig.
What's wrong with the internet right now?
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While there are some "bad things" with the internet, by far there is much more good.
If anyone wants it totals screwed up, let the government regulate it.
Once regulation starts it will never go away.Freedom of speech is already under attack in The U.S.
Let's not make it worse.How does preserving net neutrality limit freedom of speech exactly?
___________________________________________
The point is to keep the government out of internet control or regulation.
If Obama is for net neutrality muletool is against it.
Pretty simple.
If ted cruz is against it, it must be a good idea.
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Interesting comments that say nothing. Typical liberal, all mouth, no brains.
“Net Neutrality” is a cute name (like the affordable care act which is not affordable) by the obama administration for political control of the internet.
Obama has long said he wanted control and now he is pushing the FCC to give him the regulation he has sought.Obama wants the FCC to regulate and rule the internet like a utility. We have seen many times before what happens when government holds sway over anything; they manipulate it to their political advantage.
What we will get is price controls, an internet sales tax, government control over thought and politically motivated jurisdiction of “acceptable” speech.
You can’t put lipstick on this pig.
Thanks. You have made it abundantly clear that you have no knowledge of, nor any real interest, in this topic.
Oh well, it was worth a shot but I guess any substantive discussion about anything in the WP is done until this person crawls back under a bridge.
The term "Net Neutrality" was first coined in 2003 by Tim Wu, a professor at Columbia.
The term "Net Neutrality" was first coined in 2003 by Tim Wu, a professor at Columbia.
Meh, he's obviously just an elitist liberal academic who was only laying the groundwork for Barak Obama to take over the internet more than a decade later. 😛
[Edited on 11/11/2014 by gondicar]
The term "Net Neutrality" was first coined in 2003 by Tim Wu, a professor at Columbia.
Meh, he's obviously just an elitist liberal academic who was only laying the groundwork for Barak Obama to take over the internet more than a decade later. 😛
[Edited on 11/11/2014 by gondicar]
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Who coined the phrase does not matter.
obama is using it now to make his government take over of the internet sound like it is a good thing.
You can't put lipstick on that pig.
obama is using it now to make his government take over of the internet sound like it is a good thing
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha haaaaaa ha haaaa ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Thanks, best laugh I've had all day!
Hmmm, well, this issue spans two Administrations and involves decisions made by Republicans and Democrats alike. It really isn't that cut-and-dried. As a matter of fact, it's extremely complicated.
The term "Net Neutrality" was first coined in 2003 by Tim Wu, a professor at Columbia.
Meh, he's obviously just an elitist liberal academic who was only laying the groundwork for Barak Obama to take over the internet more than a decade later. 😛
[Edited on 11/11/2014 by gondicar]
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Who coined the phrase does not matter.
obama is using it now to make his government take over of the internet sound like it is a good thing.
You can't put lipstick on that pig.
Holy moly Mule, since I became active on this forum you have accused Obama of every evil that plagues mankind. Your hatred of him borders on delusional. I find it fascinating and would love to know where it comes from.
What's wrong with the internet right now?
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While there are some "bad things" with the internet, by far there is much more good.
If anyone wants it totals screwed up, let the government regulate it.
Once regulation starts it will never go away.Freedom of speech is already under attack in The U.S.
Let's not make it worse.
Oh, you mean like the Patriot Act? Oh that's right that is Republican sponsored regulation so it must be good for us. 😉
The term "Net Neutrality" was first coined in 2003 by Tim Wu, a professor at Columbia.
Meh, he's obviously just an elitist liberal academic who was only laying the groundwork for Barak Obama to take over the internet more than a decade later. 😛
[Edited on 11/11/2014 by gondicar]
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Who coined the phrase does not matter.
obama is using it now to make his government take over of the internet sound like it is a good thing.
You can't put lipstick on that pig.
Holy moly Mule, since I became active on this forum you have accused Obama of every evil that plagues mankind. Your hatred of him borders on delusional. I find it fascinating and would love to know where it comes from.
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It comes from seeing clearly the corruption of the obama administration, obama's social justice agenda and obama's complete lack of management skills.
You don't see the damage done to your country because you are blinded by obama's celebrity, pretty speeches (mostly lies) and that facts are contrary to your left-wing views.
I can't stand Ted Cruz, but I'm not clear why we can't let the market sort this out.
The term "Net Neutrality" was first coined in 2003 by Tim Wu, a professor at Columbia.
Meh, he's obviously just an elitist liberal academic who was only laying the groundwork for Barak Obama to take over the internet more than a decade later. 😛
[Edited on 11/11/2014 by gondicar]
___________________________________________
Who coined the phrase does not matter.
obama is using it now to make his government take over of the internet sound like it is a good thing.
You can't put lipstick on that pig.
Holy moly Mule, since I became active on this forum you have accused Obama of every evil that plagues mankind. Your hatred of him borders on delusional. I find it fascinating and would love to know where it comes from.
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It comes from seeing clearly the corruption of the obama administration, obama's social justice agenda and obama's complete lack of management skills.
You don't see the damage done to your country because you are blinded by obama's celebrity, pretty speeches (mostly lies) and that facts are contrary to your left-wing views.
And you don't see what a fool you are making of yourself because you aren't very bright. I am sure that if someone started a thread about the salary cap in the NFL, you would accuse Obama of trying to keep NFL players poor.
The term "Net Neutrality" was first coined in 2003 by Tim Wu, a professor at Columbia.
Meh, he's obviously just an elitist liberal academic who was only laying the groundwork for Barak Obama to take over the internet more than a decade later. 😛
[Edited on 11/11/2014 by gondicar]
___________________________________________
Who coined the phrase does not matter.
obama is using it now to make his government take over of the internet sound like it is a good thing.
You can't put lipstick on that pig.
Holy moly Mule, since I became active on this forum you have accused Obama of every evil that plagues mankind. Your hatred of him borders on delusional. I find it fascinating and would love to know where it comes from.
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It comes from seeing clearly the corruption of the obama administration, obama's social justice agenda and obama's complete lack of management skills.
You don't see the damage done to your country because you are blinded by obama's celebrity, pretty speeches (mostly lies) and that facts are contrary to your left-wing views.
I am not blinded by anything, Obama is far from perfect but considering the sh*t sandwich he was handed by Bush and the GOP's obstructionism to anything his Administration proposes he has done a credible job keeping the country from collapse.
Not that it will ever change your illogical hatred for the man but you should read this article by a very smart man, Paul Krugman, who has been one of Obama's biggest critics yet can acknowledge he has done a decent job under very difficult circumstances.
I know it is in that hated lefty publication Rolling Stone but you may actually learn something if you open you mind even a crack.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/in-defense-of-obama-20141008
[Edited on 11/11/2014 by Bill_Graham]
I can't stand Ted Cruz, but I'm not clear why we can't let the market sort this out.
Do you really believe big business will do what is the best interest of the consumer if there is a chance to make money by giving them additional controls to their benefit?
The term "Net Neutrality" was first coined in 2003 by Tim Wu, a professor at Columbia.
Meh, he's obviously just an elitist liberal academic who was only laying the groundwork for Barak Obama to take over the internet more than a decade later. 😛
[Edited on 11/11/2014 by gondicar]
___________________________________________
Who coined the phrase does not matter.
obama is using it now to make his government take over of the internet sound like it is a good thing.
You can't put lipstick on that pig.
Holy moly Mule, since I became active on this forum you have accused Obama of every evil that plagues mankind. Your hatred of him borders on delusional. I find it fascinating and would love to know where it comes from.
____________________________________
It comes from seeing clearly the corruption of the obama administration, obama's social justice agenda and obama's complete lack of management skills.
You don't see the damage done to your country because you are blinded by obama's celebrity, pretty speeches (mostly lies) and that facts are contrary to your left-wing views.
I am not blinded by anything, Obama is far from perfect but considering the sh*t sandwich he was handed by Bush and the GOP's obstructionism to anything his Administration proposes he has done a credible job keeping the country from collapse.
Not that it will ever change your illogical hatred for the man but you should read this article by a very smart man, Paul Krugman, who has been one of Obama's biggest critics yet can acknowledge he has done a decent job under very difficult circumstances.
I know it is in that hated lefty publication Rolling Stone but you may actually learn something if you open you mind even a crack.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/in-defense-of-obama-20141008
[Edited on 11/11/2014 by Bill_Graham]
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"the GOP's obstructionism" - yet another lie.
The House passed over 350 bills, 184 with bi-partisan support.
When sent to the Senate, Reid and the democrats refused to even allow them to be discuss and blocked voting on everyone of them.
Reid did what obama wanted and screwed the country.
reid's own chief of staff, on the day after the election, blamed the democrats massive losses on obama.
Krugman?
Yea, you keep reading that left-wing nut-job and believe every word. It will certainly feed your weak mind.
I can't stand Ted Cruz, but I'm not clear why we can't let the market sort this out.
Do you really believe big business will do what is the best interest of the consumer if there is a chance to make money by giving them additional controls to their benefit?
I believe big business will do what is in the best interest of big business, which is make money. Those that offer the best service for the most competitive price will survive over the long run.
I can't stand Ted Cruz, but I'm not clear why we can't let the market sort this out.
Do you really believe big business will do what is the best interest of the consumer if there is a chance to make money by giving them additional controls to their benefit?
I believe big business will do what is in the best interest of big business, which is make money. Those that offer the best service for the most competitive price will survive over the long run.
If the market were truly free and open you might have a point.
I can't stand Ted Cruz, but I'm not clear why we can't let the market sort this out.
Do you really believe big business will do what is the best interest of the consumer if there is a chance to make money by giving them additional controls to their benefit?
I believe big business will do what is in the best interest of big business, which is make money. Those that offer the best service for the most competitive price will survive over the long run.
If internet providers slow service to small businesses because they can't afford to pay 'bribes' to internet service providers like the big boys can, this will truly be the death to small business in America.
And anyone who thinks Net Neutrality somehow mean that the government is taking control of the internet clearly has no idea what this means.
I can't stand Ted Cruz, but I'm not clear why we can't let the market sort this out.
Do you really believe big business will do what is the best interest of the consumer if there is a chance to make money by giving them additional controls to their benefit?
I believe big business will do what is in the best interest of big business, which is make money. Those that offer the best service for the most competitive price will survive over the long run.
If internet providers slow service to small businesses because they can't afford to pay 'bribes' to internet service providers like the big boys can, this will truly be the death to small business in America.
And anyone who thinks Net Neutrality somehow mean that the government is taking control of the internet clearly has no idea what this means.
Small business is the backbone of the American economy. Small businesses start to tank, the economy tanks, taking big business along with it. Big business knows this, and competitors will adjust thier prices and services to keep their customers and their revenue streams intact.
I can't stand Ted Cruz, but I'm not clear why we can't let the market sort this out.
Do you really believe big business will do what is the best interest of the consumer if there is a chance to make money by giving them additional controls to their benefit?
I believe big business will do what is in the best interest of big business, which is make money. Those that offer the best service for the most competitive price will survive over the long run.
If internet providers slow service to small businesses because they can't afford to pay 'bribes' to internet service providers like the big boys can, this will truly be the death to small business in America.
And anyone who thinks Net Neutrality somehow mean that the government is taking control of the internet clearly has no idea what this means.
Small business is the backbone of the American economy. Small businesses start to tank, the economy tanks, taking big business along with it. Big business knows this, and competitors will adjust thier prices and services to keep their customers and their revenue streams intact.
That is sound economic theory, but is it reflected in the reality of day-to-day business practices of "big business"? Hmmm, I wonder. Have you ever heard of Wal Mart?
[Edited on 11/12/2014 by gondicar]
