Now that the cop resigned alloak abandoned this thread.

Strange.

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I continue to amazed at just how profoundly our society is being affected by the fact that everyone has a camera.

Are you saying that is good or bad?

Both, actually.

In this particular case, there's more to the situation, of course. The video in question doesn't come close to telling the entire story of what happened at that pool.

But...the isolated action of a cop throwing a 15 year old girl in a bikini to the ground, that's a pretty indelible image.

There's a lot of things that have gone on for hundreds of years that have never been captured on camera or video, that's all changing every second of every day.

Generally speaking, this boils down to race, just like Geller. If it's anti-jew, it's condemned by all. If it's anti Muslim, no problem. Black cop v white teen girl = lawsuit. White cop v black teen girl = "your fault for not obeying."

[Edited on 6/9/2015 by BoytonBrother]

But it IS their fault! The police are authorized and trained to use force against non-cooperative individuals. Hit the deck and keep your mouth shut and you won't have a problem. Why is this being debated? I don't care if the kid is white, black, or purple, don't be an idiot. Better yet, if you've already been asked to clear out you should already be somewhere else.

Many of those kids, both black and white, had passes to the pool and lived in the neighborhood. Since they were doing nothing wrong, the police had no business telling them to leave. You really seem to support a police state.

Why were the police called if nothing was wrong? Trespassing and fighting. Correct, it's a racially diverse neighborhood, but residents are not permitted to have more than two guests at the pool. However, many more non-residents showed up and started jumping the fence. A few fights broke out. The security guard was trying to get the situation under control but was badly outnumbered. That's when he called the police.

Residents reported a disturbance at the privately owned pool. There were reports of fighting, vandalism, and trespassing in the area when officers responded.

Nobody was doing anything wrong? That's one of the irritations. The police are called for a reason, namely that laws are being broken. But, that fact is seemingly forgotten when it's time to throw a cop under the bus.

Now somebody will come along and somehow translate this post into thinking I want a police state...........Whatever.

[Edited on 6/11/2015 by alloak41]

I continue to amazed at just how profoundly our society is being affected by the fact that everyone has a camera.

Are you saying that is good or bad?

Both, actually.

In this particular case, there's more to the situation, of course. The video in question doesn't come close to telling the entire story of what happened at that pool.

But...the isolated action of a cop throwing a 15 year old girl in a bikini to the ground, that's a pretty indelible image.

There's a lot of things that have gone on for hundreds of years that have never been captured on camera or video, that's all changing every second of every day.

I agree it's partly bad.

Now what we have as a result are a few isolated cases conflated into some kind of massive problem, never mind the 99.92417% police encounters where there is no problem. The race merchants. activist politicians, and the media have ignited a huge blowback against the police based on a handful of racially charged incidents.

Now many don't think they have to obey the police, want to kill the police, ect. Thus, a much bigger problem rooted in the disrespect of law enforcement is causing a much bigger problem..

Great job, idiots. All you're doing is making the streets more dangerous.

Saw the lawyer for the cop interviewed this morning. She basically admitted he was wrong...said he had been on two "very stressful" suicide calls earlier in the day which drained him and caused him to let his emotions get the better of him.

I could not imagine being a cop right now. Knowing your every move could be filmed and scrutinized at a time when respect for your badge seems to be at an all time low and any hesitation could cost you your life.

I could not imagine being a cop right now. Knowing your every move could be filmed and scrutinized at a time when respect for your badge seems to be at an all time low and any hesitation could cost you your life.

For example in the video of this incident, when he was trying to keep the girl down, those two males RUSHED up to him, in what looks like an aggressive manner - sure hindsight is 20/20, but what was that cop supposed to do about them? He had no idea if they were armed, intended to jump on him or who knows what.

Just heard a new phrase (new to me anyhow) being thrown around about this: official oppression

As in "my client and I strongly object to this incident of official oppression and we will not be happy until this officer is fired and brought to trial."

Just heard a new phrase (new to me anyhow) being thrown around about this: official oppression

As in "my client and I strongly object to this incident of official oppression and we will not be happy until this officer is fired and brought to trial."

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The race hustlers and hate groups have to keep up the “official oppression”, “white privilege”, “no justice, no peace”, “police brutality” and more to avoid discussing black crime and the degrading of black culture.

As many police chiefs have said and the NYC Police Commissioner reiterated yesterday they want to hire more black police officers but too many blacks cannot pass a criminal background check or a drug test.

Not a problem of the white man’s making but whitey has to pay the bill.

Now what we have as a result are a few isolated cases conflated into some kind of massive problem, never mind the 99.92417% police encounters where there is no problem. The race merchants. activist politicians, and the media have ignited a huge blowback against the police based on a handful of racially charged incidents.

Now many don't think they have to obey the police, want to kill the police, ect. Thus, a much bigger problem rooted in the disrespect of law enforcement is causing a much bigger problem..

You're completely discounting any personal interaction anyone may have had with law enforcement. I've never lived in a high crime area and I've never been a minority, so I have really no basis to judge people in those areas when it comes to their experiences.

Ignited a huge "blowback?" In instances such a Ferguson, looked to me like smoldering powderkegs, waiting like a bomb due to cumulative treatment over many years.

There were 12 cops that showed up initially at the pool party, 11 of them still have their jobs. If everyone having a camera goes towards isolating those who betray the public trust by being an abusive part of law enforcement, then that can only be a good thing. One of my oldest friends is a cop, I asked him about this latest and his response was, "Idiot, and I'm not talking about the person in the bikini."

One of my oldest friends is a cop, I asked him about this latest and his response was, "Idiot, and I'm not talking about the person in the bikini."

According to witnesses the girl had been asked to leave numerous times, did not comply, and should have no longer even been in the area. That's pretty stupid, but maybe your buddy didn't know.

One of my oldest friends is a cop, I asked him about this latest and his response was, "Idiot, and I'm not talking about the person in the bikini."

According to witnesses the girl had been asked to leave numerous times, did not comply, and should have no longer even been in the area. That's pretty stupid, but maybe your buddy didn't know.

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Did you notice that the left-wing media is only showing the narrow and short view of the incident?

The full video shows the violence by the locals, both black and white, and goes on far longer than the snippet show by the main-stream media.
The main-stream media also edited out the audio of the insults and baiting thrown at the police officer but conveniently the audio re-appears when the girl is screaming for her mother.

Just heard a new phrase (new to me anyhow) being thrown around about this: official oppression

As in "my client and I strongly object to this incident of official oppression and we will not be happy until this officer is fired and brought to trial."

______________________________________________________________________

The race hustlers and hate groups have to keep up the “official oppression”, “white privilege”, “no justice, no peace”, “police brutality” and more to avoid discussing black crime and the degrading of black culture.

As many police chiefs have said and the NYC Police Commissioner reiterated yesterday they want to hire more black police officers but too many blacks cannot pass a criminal background check or a drug test.

Not a problem of the white man’s making but whitey has to pay the bill.

You are a racist pig.

Post removed. Just ain't worth the time or the negative energy.

[Edited on 6/11/2015 by Bhawk]

One of my oldest friends is a cop, I asked him about this latest and his response was, "Idiot, and I'm not talking about the person in the bikini."

According to witnesses the girl had been asked to leave numerous times, did not comply, and should have no longer even been in the area. That's pretty stupid, but maybe your buddy didn't know.

Got what she deserved, huh?

Conservatives are getting such a warm fuzzy outta that. Just love seeing a girl in a bikini get thrown around.

How many times have you watched it? Prolly on a loop, makes you laugh out loud, I'll bet.

Certain people should just know their place, right?

Ease up on the melodrama. It's not about what somebody deserved, knowing their place, or what conservatives do or don't do. It's a simple fact that if she does what the police had asked her it doesn't even get to that point. Why is this so difficult? It's like playing with matches and gasoline, getting burned, then blaming the gasoline.

You got all the answers, man. Have a nice day.

Ease up on the melodrama. It's not about what somebody deserved, knowing their place, or what conservatives do or don't do. It's a simple fact that if she does what the police had asked her it doesn't even get to that point. Why is this so difficult? It's like playing with matches and gasoline, getting burned, then blaming the gasoline.

11 of the 12 cops didn't beat her down. The cop that did resigned and his lawyer has apologized.

If he was so justified in his action why did he resign? Why has the lawyer apologized?

Don't bother answering alloak. You are as wrong as the cop in this matter.

It is obvious you believe in an unfettered police state. That's Fascism. You are an extreme right wing zealot. You can't help it.

So much for living in a democracy.

It's starting to get old. Time after time, the one common denominator in these cases is people not cooperating with the police.

The combatant law breaker becomes a victim that everybody is supposed to feel sorry for...while the police get trashed. Then, it becomes another big racial issue warranted or not, and the Rent-A-Mobs show up to destroy more property.

The cycle then repeats because resentment toward the police is festering -- while black leaders encourage disobedience, make threats, ignore responsibility, play up victimization -- leading to even less respect for law enforcement, and around and around we go.

"If the teenage girl listened, she wouldn't have been thrown to the ground."

Whats the point of this logic? That the onus falls on the teenager? That is blatant racism...if your teenage daughter was thrown to the ground with a knee in her back simply for not listening and leaving a scene, we'd all be outraged. But since it's a black teen, then good for them animals. Effing disgusting. Luckily, these old farts who think like this are slowly becoming a small minority as they die off.

If he was so justified in his action why did he resign? Why has the lawyer apologized?

First off, look closely and you'll find I haven't said he was justified in his action. I have merely pointed out the fact that the girl in the bikini had already been asked to leave numerous times and failed to comply. Had she done so it would have been avoided. Why is this is so difficult to grasp? If a cop repeatedly asks you to leave, clear out!

The resignation. You were honestly expecting something else? In this current environment? That chief was more than glad to throw one cop under the bus, as opposed to Sharpton and Company and the Rent-A-Riot showing up to destroy half of McKinney. No brainer.

Did the teenage girl commit any crime? Is it illegal to refuse to leave a public area when a cop tells you to? Anyway, i guess it doesn't matter for this thread since we've made our minds up. She clearly provoked the officer with her offensive words, so he had every right to put his hands on her. Oh wait.....

"If the teenage girl listened, she wouldn't have been thrown to the ground."

Whats the point of this logic? That the onus falls on the teenager? That is blatant racism...if your teenage daughter was thrown to the ground with a knee in her back simply for not listening and leaving a scene, we'd all be outraged. But since it's a black teen, then good for them animals. Effing disgusting. Luckily, these old farts who think like this are slowly becoming a small minority as they die off.

I have a masters degree in clinical psychology and twenty years of clinical experience. I have also worked in the Texas prison system as a Life Skills and DWI Intervention instructor, as well as spending the last eight years teaching science at our school district's disciplinary campus. I have a 17 year old daughter and a 14 year old son, and I'm here to tell you that if it was either of my kids getting thrown down by the cops in this situation the first conversation I'm having is with my kid about what they heck are they doing putting themselves in a situation like that with people involved in that kind of behavior to begin with. The next conversation I'm having is with my kid about why they did not follow police instructions. The third conversation I'm having is with my kid about the loss of privileges and consequences they are going to experience due to their poor choices. Then I might have a conversation with the city about the officer's response being out of proportion to the action of my kid. Then I'm right back with my kid having them apologize to the officer, the police force, and the community for their lack of respect and poor behavior. The onus for the behavior of my children and the consequences of their behavior is absolutely squarely on their shoulders, no ifs, ands or buts. You can call that whatever you want. I call it effective parenting.

[Edited on 6/11/2015 by DougMacKenzie]

BB and BB, save your blood pressure. You're just two more low-info voters with nothing to offer but melodrama, you can't even dream of competing with the superior conservative intellects.

Relax, take a walk, put on some tunes. Leave the important matters to those who have the wisdom.

"If the teenage girl listened, she wouldn't have been thrown to the ground."

Whats the point of this logic? That the onus falls on the teenager? That is blatant racism...if your teenage daughter was thrown to the ground with a knee in her back simply for not listening and leaving a scene, we'd all be outraged. But since it's a black teen, then good for them animals. Effing disgusting. Luckily, these old farts who think like this are slowly becoming a small minority as they die off.

Are you kidding? I have a teenage daughter. First of all, I'd tell her if she was trespassing that probably wasn't a good idea and try not to do it anymore. Second, if a cop asks you to leave, keep your mouth shut and get the hell out of there! If she didn't, then you bet the onus falls on her. If she was light blue or green I'd tell her the same thing.

"If the teenage girl listened, she wouldn't have been thrown to the ground."

Whats the point of this logic? That the onus falls on the teenager? That is blatant racism...if your teenage daughter was thrown to the ground with a knee in her back simply for not listening and leaving a scene, we'd all be outraged. But since it's a black teen, then good for them animals. Effing disgusting. Luckily, these old farts who think like this are slowly becoming a small minority as they die off.

I have a masters degree in clinical psychology and twenty years of clinical experience. I have also worked in the Texas prison system as a Life Skills and DWI Intervention instructor, as well as spending the last eight years teaching science at our school district's disciplinary campus. I have a 17 year old daughter and a 14 year old son, and I'm here to tell you that if it was either of my kids getting thrown down by the cops in this situation the first conversation I'm having is with my kid about what they heck are they doing putting themselves in a situation like that with people involved in that kind of behavior to begin with. The next conversation I'm having is with my kid about why they did not follow police instructions. The third conversation I'm having is with my kid about the loss of privileges and consequences they are going to experience due to their poor choices. Then I might have a conversation with the city about the officer's response being out of proportion to the action of my kid. Then I'm right back with my kid having them apologize to the officer, the police force, and the community for their lack of respect and poor behavior. The onus for the behavior of my children and the consequences of their behavior is absolutely squarely on their shoulders, no ifs, ands or buts. You can call that whatever you want. I call it effective parenting.

[Edited on 6/11/2015 by DougMacKenzie]

Home Run.

I am in my fifties, never been arrested, never been accosted by the police. Been pulled over for traffic infractions more times than I can count, expired tags, no seat belt, speeding. I have been at the scene of parties that have gotten out of hand where the police have been called, been witness to bar fights, hassles at stadiums, concerts and what have you. I repeat, never spent a minute in Jail. My secret?.... When a Policeman asks me to do something?

I comply, immediately.

I am in my fifties, never been arrested, never been accosted by the police. Been pulled over for traffic infractions more times than I can count, expired tags, no seat belt, speeding. I have been at the scene of parties that have gotten out of hand where the police have been called, been witness to bar fights, hassles at stadiums, concerts and what have you. I repeat, never spent a minute in Jail. My secret?.... When a Policeman asks me to do something?

I comply, immediately.

You don't argue with him and tell him he is wrong? I am shocked. 😉

I've now seen/heard so many versions of what happened leading up to the encounter in question that I am having a hard time keeping all these hypotheticals straight. Oh well, I guess I'll have to rely on the justice system to sort it out and then maybe eventually we'll know who to blame.

By the way, I agree with everything DougMac said. Still doesn't let the cop off the hook, and based on what I heard his lawyer say this morning, it would seem that he knows his actions were inappropriate.

[Edited on 6/11/2015 by gondicar]

"If a cop asks you to leave, keep your mouth shut and get out of there!"

How nice. Just as our Founding Fathers hoped.

F the blacks and Muslims. They don't apply to our value system. Got it.