An interesting perspective from a Muslim that homosexuality is bad because it causes people to fail to fulfill their societal obligations as well serving the human race by stopping generations of people from being born.
No one has said these things. All we have heard is that it is unlawful according to God's decrees. This is a different perspective.
"The homosexual life style (sodomy) is the waging of war against
nature and against inherent psychological predilection. It is dishonesty
with nature. While homosexuals derive sexual pleasure, they fail to fulfill
the societal obligation. These people act dishonestly with human society;
for, although they avail the advantages offered by various social
institutions, when they have an opportunity to act, they use their
abilities in a manner which not only fails to serve that society but which
positively harms it. Apart from neglecting the obligations they owe to
society, they render themselves incapable of serving the human race and
their own families.
They are stopping next generations from being born. It will diminish the
human race. They will make extinct the most precious and the best specie of
the world, the human being. We have an obligation to stop them."
God warned through His Messengers;
*“And remember when We sent Lot [as a Messenger to his people and he said
to them:* *‘Do you realize you practice an indecency of which no other
people in the world were guilty of before you? You approach men lustfully
in place of women. You are a people who exceed all bounds.’ Their only
answer was: ‘Banish them from your town. They are a people who pretend to
be pure.’* *Then We delivered Lot and his household, save his wife, who
stayed behind,* *And We let loose a shower [of stones] upon them,* *Observe,
then, the end of the evil-doers.** Quran: Al’Araf (7: 81-85).*
With regards to TERRORISM
*TERRORISM* of any form is not justified whether it is state’s “wholesale”
terrorism or people’s “retail” terrorism anywhere.
Similarly, “homosexual” lifestyle is not justified as it is waging war
against nature and killing the next generations before coming into this
world. Say “No” to both.
The state terrorism of US in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and other
nations to occupy and control the resources are not justified. The state
terrorism of Israel in Palestine to keep control the lands of Palestinians
is not justified. The Muslim states’ terror against their people is not
justified. Non-Muslim states’ terror against their people are not justified.
Similarly, terrorism of any form (even in reaction and anger) that kills
common people --men women, and children-- can’t be justified. We should
denounce all form of terrorism --Kabul to Paris and Baghdad to Orlando.
Witness the truth. Stand firm. Say "no" to terrorism and homosexuality.
In some cases it is a lifestyle choice Pops, in other cases I agree they are born that way.
What I found interesting was the ideas on why people should avoid that.
They are stopping next generations from being born. It will diminish the
human race. They will make extinct the most precious and the best specie of
the world, the human being. We have an obligation to stop them.
Straight or gay aside, the same could be said of anybody who elects to not have kids.
So, by this logic, anyone who decides not to have kids is a terrorist?
Do you have any kids? How do you feel about your decision to render the human race extinct by your selfish actions?
Please, God, let this thread die.
Please, God, let this thread die.
What? Don't you care that this thread could save the human race? How do you feel about your genocidal disregard for truth?
Every Sperm is Sacred!
[Edited on 6/19/2016 by BrerRabbit]
I see the CIA hasn't adjusted the meds they feed her in her Starbucks every morning.
They are stopping next generations from being born. It will diminish the
human race. They will make extinct the most precious and the best specie of
the world, the human being. We have an obligation to stop them.Straight or gay aside, the same could be said of anybody who elects to not have kids.
So, by this logic, anyone who decides not to have kids is a terrorist?
Do you have any kids? How do you feel about your decision to render the human race extinct by your selfish actions?
No, if they choose not to have kids hey are not terrorists. One of the points is
"They are stopping next generations from being born. It will diminish the
human race. They will make extinct the most precious and the best specie of
the world, the human being." God wants to be known by his people, if there are no people to do that, it is a slap in the face to him.
If there are no new people born, the human race dies out. People were given the guidance to reproduce. The method by which homosexuals create children is not natural or recognized by God, who defined marriage as between a man and woman, and who further expressed his disgust and unwielding condemnation of homosexuality. This was expressed to all the religions.
The terrorists who kill indiscriminately do not care about humans, they take lives of random people and that was forbidden also.
It is an abstract concept to correlate the two groups, but both are killing off human kind. Two gay men cannot have a child unless they adopt one, two gay women cannot have a child unless they get some sperm donated. All people have an intrinsic obligation to help their other fellow human beings. This group, by not reproducing or raising up whatever children they adopt or have via ivf are not living in accordance with what God left as instructions.
The terrorists ignore and disobey the guidance to not have compulsion in their religion, they want to force their sectarian views on people or they kill them. That is not following the advice either.
The question is what obligations do people have towards society and their fellow human beings as stewards of humanity?
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/brinkley/article/Afghanistan-s-dirty-little-secret-3176762.php
Afghanistan's dirty little secret
By Joel Brinkley
Published 4:00 am, Sunday, August 29, 2010
Western forces fighting in southern Afghanistan had a problem. Too often, soldiers on patrol passed an older man walking hand-in-hand with a pretty young boy. Their behavior suggested he was not the boy's father. Then, British soldiers found that young Afghan men were actually trying to "touch and fondle them," military investigator AnnaMaria Cardinalli told me. "The soldiers didn't understand."
All of this was so disconcerting that the Defense Department hired Cardinalli, a social scientist, to examine this mystery. Her report, "Pashtun Sexuality," startled not even one Afghan. But Western forces were shocked - and repulsed.
For centuries, Afghan men have taken boys, roughly 9 to 15 years old, as lovers. Some research suggests that half the Pashtun tribal members in Kandahar and other southern towns are bacha baz, the term for an older man with a boy lover. Literally it means "boy player." The men like to boast about it.
"Having a boy has become a custom for us," Enayatullah, a 42-year-old in Baghlan province, told a Reuters reporter. "Whoever wants to show off should have a boy."
read more at: http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/brinkley/article/Afghanistan-s-dirty-little-secret-3176762.php
or
How Afghanistan’s mixed messages on homosexuality play into the Orlando shooting debate
By Pamela Constable
June 15
Two young men kissing on the streets of Miami. A wealthy older man fondling a pretty young boy in Afghanistan.
The first scene, reportedly encountered by Omar Mateen before he started slaughtering patrons at a gay dance club in Orlando early Sunday, represents something that conservative Afghan society teaches is wrong, disgusting, unnatural and against the law of God. It is an aspect of American culture that Afghans say revolts them and against which Muslim clerics preach all over the world. Mateen’s father, after the killings, said he was saddened by what his son had done — but that homosexuals should be punished by God.
The second scene, described by Western journalists and other visitors to Afghanistan, represents something that Afghan society has long accepted as a common if semi-hidden practice, a privilege for wealthy men and macho militia commanders to keep boys for sex. It is not viewed or condemned as homosexual behavior, and any man who does it would be shocked and enraged at being called homosexual.
Mateen was born in the United States, but the mixed messages sent by his native culture may well have added to the stress, confusion and anger that led him to start shooting in a gay club.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/temporary-marriage.aspx
Temporary Marriage
Is there a loophole for prostitution in Islam?
It is called Nikah Mut'ah, a fixed-time arrangement between a man and a woman that dissolves once the duration expires.
Homosexuality has been a part of human sexuality for as long as there has been people. If you dispute that, then, ok, let's say since biblical times, since obviously those people were pretty worked up about it, enough to feel a whole city deserved to be eradicated because of it, the eradication still cheered by barbaric people like yourself even today. Year 0 estimates of world population range from 170 million to 400 million. Today, world population stands at 7.4 BILLION and counting. How in earthly fuck can you rationally argue that homosexuality negatively impacts human reproduction? And how in ANY material way, on a daily basis, does the fact that homosexuality exists actually impact your daily life, apart from your feelings and beliefs about it? Does homosexuality knock glasses off your table? Does it crash into your car or harm you in any tangible way, or is it just the way it makes you feel? You display an animus toward this very human behavior that reveal your own struggles to accept sexuality as a part of being human.
c'mon bob1954, why'd you delete your post, you went ahead and topped your favorite thread anyway!
OK... well, here is some disturbing news for all you selfish genocidal maniacs bent on the extinction of the human race
...The average male will produce roughly 525 billion sperm cells over a lifetime and shed at least one billion of them per month. A healthy adult male can release between 40 million and 1.2 billion sperm cells in a single ejaculation.
http://www.livescience.com/32437-why-are-250-million-sperm-cells-released-during-sex.html
That means that every time you miss the mark and don't deposit them in the sacred receptacle that God commanded you to fill, you are 10-40 times worse than Hitler in terms of holocaustic behavior. 😮
c'mon bob1954, why'd you delete your post, you went ahead and topped your favorite thread anyway!
OK... well, here is some disturbing news for all you selfish genocidal maniacs bent on the extinction of the human race
...The average male will produce roughly 525 billion sperm cells over a lifetime and shed at least one billion of them per month. A healthy adult male can release between 40 million and 1.2 billion sperm cells in a single ejaculation.
http://www.livescience.com/32437-why-are-250-million-sperm-cells-released-during-sex.html
That means that every time you miss the mark and don't deposit them in the sacred receptacle that God commanded you to fill, you are 10-40 times worse than Hitler in terms of holocaustic behavior. 😮
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It is an abstract concept to correlate the two groups, but both are killing off human kind. Two gay men cannot have a child unless they adopt one, two gay women cannot have a child unless they get some sperm donated.
This opens a can of worms. What about heterosexual couples who need fertility treatments, or even surrogates? Isn't that unnatural? And are the children of such unholy conceptions cursed?
And... what if God wanted to have a Kid? Wouldn't He be going against His own rules, somehow impregnating some innocent human female by some strange unnatural method? While her lawful husband has to stand by helpless and be cuckolded by the Creator?
For goodness sake. With 7 and a half billion people on the earth we have a real concern about if there is enough breeding going on? Is there any limit to Gina's idiocy?
For goodness sake. With 7 and a half billion people on the earth we have a real concern about if there is enough breeding going on? Is there any limit to Gina's idiocy?
I was pondering the same thing 😛
Well Pops, if we don't get some good people born here on earth, what will we be left with as time goes by? Think about it.
It is an abstract concept to correlate the two groups, but both are killing off human kind. Two gay men cannot have a child unless they adopt one, two gay women cannot have a child unless they get some sperm donated.
This opens a can of worms. What about heterosexual couples who need fertility treatments, or even surrogates? Isn't that unnatural? And are the children of such unholy conceptions cursed?
And... what if God wanted to have a Kid? Wouldn't He be going against His own rules, somehow impregnating some innocent human female by some strange unnatural method? While her lawful husband has to stand by helpless and be cuckolded by the Creator?
Those heterosexual couples who cannot have children via natural means, could adopt children already here who need a home. I think that's what God had in mind. Fertility treatments are by and large boutique baby makers. If someone has an imbalance (ie hormonal) that medicine can correct, so that she can conceive when God decides, and I'm not talking about overloading her body, just restore her to normal functioning and let God take over, that would be acceptable. Because she is being restored to what she should be.
These selfish people who are so fixated on creating little versions of themselves are too narcissistic. They HAVE to have a little version of themselves, nothing else will do, no amount of money is too much if a Dr. can achieve this. It's unethical, unnatural and self serving.
God is spirit energy. When he wants to use someone to do his work, he puts his spirit in the person. He calls out his people. Jesus is a case in point. He was flesh and bones, but his spirit was perfect, and he was sent down here to teach people how to live and to answer any questions and disputes. Well you see what happened to him. Mankind did not want the truth, and most of mankind still doesn't. When God chooses someone, they may have to leave their partner if that person is not on the same path. Ideally, they marry both wanting to do God's work so that there is no righteous grandstanding or jealousy. People are here to serve him, not each other. Women want to be the glory of men, they tease them and seduce them and the man becomes their slave. When the reality of their happily ever after sets in, then he cheats, justifying that he deserves to be happy. Can also be true for the woman if she feels ignored and marginalized. The lesson is if you seek to be the glory of a mortal person, that is what you will have, and you settled for less than you were created for. Seek the higher path.
Gina, just as i respect your interpretation of the Koran and i respect others interpretation of the Bible....i disagree with both. i think both can find reasons to eliminate 75% on the world population based on those writings. i do not think that their interpretations are reasonable or correct.
you said...
if we don't get some good people born here on earth, what will we be left with as time goes by? Think about it.
time has gone by since the writing of those books and i believe we are a much more full and richer world because of our differences.
have some spaghetti and meatballs and send me the bill, i'll happily pay it.
Those heterosexual couples who cannot have children via natural means, could adopt children already here who need a home. I think that's what God had in mind.
Wait a sec. You can't have both. Gay couples can't have children via natural means, so they can adopt. But God only has hetero couples in mind? Help me out here, I'm not following your logic.
These selfish people who are so fixated on creating little versions of themselves are too narcissistic. They HAVE to have a little version of themselves, nothing else will do, no amount of money is too much if a Dr. can achieve this. It's unethical, unnatural and self serving.
Same for people who just have to have their own kid carbon copy of themselves, via natural reproduction. The motive is the same, the method of reproduction is meaningless.
The main thing is they are reproducing, and that is what God wants, for us to be fruitful and multiply. It is not for us to question their motives, as long as they are obeying His command to go forth and subdue the earth.
These selfish people who are so fixated on creating little versions of themselves are too narcissistic. They HAVE to have a little version of themselves, nothing else will do, no amount of money is too much if a Dr. can achieve this. It's unethical, unnatural and self serving.
Same for people who just have to have their own kid carbon copy of themselves, via natural reproduction. The motive is the same, the method of reproduction is meaningless.
The main thing is they are reproducing, and that is what God wants, for us to be fruitful and multiply. It is not for us to question their motives, as long as they are obeying His command to go forth and subdue the earth.
Wait a sec. You can't have both. Gay couples can't have children via natural means, so they can adopt. But God only has hetero couples in mind? Help me out here, I'm not following your logic.
The children who are already here need to be taken care of and people tend to disregard them, in the desire to have their own dna'd children. Yes he wants people to go forth and multiply, you are correct. However, he does care HOW they live their lives. He has destroyed many habitations because the people were doing what THEY wanted not what he wanted. Even Lot, who he liked and wanted to save, he knew something about his wife and did not allow her to go with him, he turned her to a pillar of salt and she was destroyed, even before the town they were commanded to leave because there was so much evil in it, it was beyond redemption.
Bukhari 62:13 - "We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, "Shall we get ourselves castrated?" He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry women with a temporary contract (2) and recited to us: -- 'O you who believe ! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, but commit no transgression.' (5.87)"
so what happened to children brought from this?
Haha lol I've done those holy searches too, the amount of collateral BS you have to wade thru just isn't worth it 😉
so what happened to children brought from this?
Believe me, some things are better off swept under the persian rug of history.
Bukhari 62:13 - "We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, "Shall we get ourselves castrated?" He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry women with a temporary contract (2) and recited to us: -- 'O you who believe ! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, but commit no transgression.' (5.87)"
so what happened to children brought from this?
The men who fathered them had the responsibility to provide for the children. It is true, the Prophet did allow the temporary marriages, but later rescinded that permission. Only the Shiites still do that today. (mutah marriages).
true gina. it is a shite interpretation today
but are sunni also using it today? daesh? and are they taking responsibility?
true gina. it is a shite interpretation today
but are sunni also using it today? daesh? and are they taking responsibility?
Sunnis do not use mutah marriage today. Some do take more than one wife, but do so more for status than to make sure widows and orphan children are provided for. Some take more than one wife to have as many children as possible to further how many Muslims are in the world. Daesh is doing things that no other group is doing. They take the Yazidi girls and claim they are war booty so they can do that, but they believe since they are not Sunni Muslims, they are slaves and use them for sex for the most part. Some of their beliefs in regard to this are not consistent with Islam and are innovations. (ie. believing that not only is it permissible to rape them, but that they will be rewarded by God for doing so). If Daesh's beliefs were corrected, they would be a historic force for the religion, but unlike Al Qaida and the other groups, they do not want to hear other opinions or interpretations of the religion. The others want to be good Muslims, if they are doing something wrong, they want to know, so that they can do the right thing, but Daesh believes they know the right thing and will not allow anyone to change their minds. The Muslims that understand the Sunni religion and follow it the closest to what was handed down are the Afghans, and some of the Arabs. Sectarianism, factionalism, local customs have created differences among the groups, but overall any Muslim will support another Muslim. Daesh has killed Muslims, who they know are good Muslims. They have blown up some of the Afghans making them sit on landmines. How can they think that is the right path? Afghans, in their own native land, pious Afghans, some of whom can trace their ancestral line back to the Prophet himself. They just want to conquer their lands, and if they do it will be worse than if the Russians won the other war.
Ergo: "All homosexuals are terrorists, but not all terrorists are homosexuals." Is that what you are trying to say? All this excess verbiage is kind of obscuring your point here.
Ergo: "All homosexuals are terrorists, but not all terrorists are homosexuals." Is that what you are trying to say? All this excess verbiage is kind of obscuring your point here.
Of course not, why would you try to say that? Are all southern white men Klan members?
We have many problems in this country, being that some Muslims have chosen to make their stand against homosexuality, in the most recent incident involving an assault on homosexuals based on religious beliefs and interpretation of duty to the religion, that is furthering the belief that all Muslims if they are not already, can become terrorists. I could have a long discussion of what is a terrorist, but most the world cannot even consider that some countries are allowed to take actions against peoples of other countries under the guise of national security, (I don't think God agrees with the drone program) iin addition to that NO ONE wants to look at the laws or guidance God gave to each of the three major religions.
He did not just forbid homosexuality to Muslims, he forbid to the Christians and before them the Jews. He destroyed entire towns of Christians and also Muslims for disobeying his laws. Nobody will dare even consider that. They just get terrified because some Muslims are taking the stance to kill people on the basis of that behavior. They are doing what God will do later. They are just doing it now and I think are taking the right that God reserved for himself, 'life and death are in my hand, and vengeance is mine'. That's what he said. He is the one who reserved the right to punish and kill people if he deemed it to be justice. Examples of him destroying towns and peoples are there in history for anyone who cares to find out about it.
Eventually it will come down to the anti-Christ establishing his reign of power, and everyone who does not bow down to him will be deemed a terrorist or whatever world they use at that time. The world cannot conceive of that either. If you believe what was told to the Jews, and the Christians, out of all the people in the world, he would only preserve 144,000. Millions of people will be sent to their deaths to be no more. God has no use for all of them. So there must be millions of people with wrong ideas and wrong practices and ways of living.
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[Edited on 6/25/2016 by gina]
Of course not, why would you try to say that? Are all southern white men Klan members?
I'm not trying to say anything! This is your thread, you brought up the subject, I am just trying to figure out why you are comparing Terrorism and Homosexuality.
Could you please simply make your point? The title of your thread is "Terrorism and Homosexuality". What are you trying to say by this thread? That homosexuals are terrorists? That they are sort of like terrorists? That you don't like them? For once, it would be appreciated if you didn't post some long rant on religion, and just tell us your point.
