Islamic State presence in the U.S. is 'the new normal,' FBI director says
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-isis-us-20151120-story.html
It also has some of the most compassionate and some of the most unwilling to see common sense folks I have ever seen and most of them have grown up without being in the service or they are in generation X the missing link group....
WTF?
Bhawk need clarification?
This site has more people on here that are always willing to help others and to fight for the good cause so they think.... and the most that refuse to just use common sense on some matters like global warming !!!! or the second amendment, and unless I am wrong I bet most on here have never been in the service I could be wrong but I doubt it the unfailing support for the left side and the unfailing support for strict gun laws all point to that conclusion now none of this is directed at ANY individual it is a site statistic does that clear up the WTF?
Actually, Mike, it doesn't, I was speaking directly to the "Generation X" element, but I appreciate the response and respect your opinion.
And I respect yours as well the Gen X comment was made as it seems in the last few years there have been a lot of younger folks joining this site I know most of the older members are boomers like my self I might be wrong about them too the younger ones just seem young as they seem to not know the music as well as the folks of our gen. who grew up with it .... hope that helps..
The majority of States are now refusing to allow Obama to dump Syrian refugees on them and endangering their citizens.
Scores of people in a position to know are publically stating that the Syrian refugees cannot be vetted.
Yesterday at his G-20 speech Obama was clearly irritated with the media’s repeated questions on this subject. The press kept asking because Obama kept not answering their questions directly. He looked and sounded like Hillary Clinton at Saturday night’s debate. Obama was hammered by the White House Press Corp. and annoyed with those who he used to count on to parrot his agenda. Obama’s embarrassing speech to the world yesterday didn’t make the front page of most American newspapers this morning.
Obama was impassioned about American taking in these refugees who are suffering from the war in their country. Where was Obama’s passion over the last few years while his lack of action and failed foreign policies caused the problem?
ISIS announced a long time ago that they are covertly inserting their fighters into the fleeing refugees.
Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein was loudest of the Democrats yesterday on the need for Obama to clearly state a Syrian refugee relocation program before Congress and The American People. Sen. Feinstein is one of the few hawks in the Democratic Party but her words carry a lot of weight.
A Trojan horse is coming to American. The American People see it and want Obama to put their safety put first.
This is all nonsense and also cowardly. ISIS was created by George W and is an example of REPUBLICAN failed war policy. Every piece of evidence supports this.
It was the ISIS objective to make the rest of the world fear the refugees. They have succeeded.
The current Republican leadership has surrendered to ISIS. The governors who are almost all Republican have also surrendered to ISIS. They are all afraid! ISIS will be emboldened by this overt display of fear.
I won't even get into the argument of "who created ISIS" because its utterly irrelevant. Bush is not president now. Obama is. ISIS has thrived over the last seven years, is stron ger than ever and is now directly threatening the West. Obama has constantly downplayed the threat and we are not about to take his word now. ISIS couldn't care LESS whether we let in refugees or not. Their goal is to establish a world wide caliphate and ensure everyone follows their brand of Islam. Everything they do is intended to further that goal.
It is totally relevant to research the origins of ISIS and your inability to understand this is solid argument for your side of the fence not be involved in any military planning in the future. To understand the military capacity of ISIS one needs to know who the leaders are and what their training and war experience is. It is not good strategy to go into war blind. One needs knowledge of the enemy and the ability of the enemy.
ISIS does care how the refugees scare republicans. They engineered this and the right capitulated and they will be very proud of this victory. Why wouldn't they be celebrating this defeat?
What on earth are you talking about? It's Obama and the left that refuses to acknowledge the religious Islamic basis of ISIS's actions. ANd believe me it is not just Republicans that are concerned. The Democrats are going to ride this issue right into the ground and are going to be shocked at what happens. ISIS doesn't give a damn if we admit refugees or not. They have a broader strategy and a vision. Our plan is to "weaken degrade and ultimately destroy" Isis. There is absolutely no coherent strategy to make that happen. Killing Jihadi John? That's a tactical victory. Every day ISIS survives or enlarges is a day it grows stronger and attracts more recruits. Because THAT'S what attracts Muslims to it, the feeling that they are winning, have God on their side, the wind at their back, however you want to phrase it. The only coherent strategy to fight ISIS ideologically is to put a world of hurt on them. To actually reverse the process by taking back the territory they have gained. To let the Islamic world know that THIS is not how it's going to happen, that the West is not going to roll over. That is how you fight ISIS. Does anyone seriously believe this has either crossed Obama's mind or is in any way a part of his thought process?
Obama inherited two hot spots from the Bush administration which had lost both the Afghan and Iraq wars. When Obama became President the mood in both Europe and the US had soured towards war, mainly because while there was a level of containment neither war was seen as winnable in the long term. ISIS was not the threat at this time that it grew to be later.
When ISIS expanded its influence and grew more menacing Obama was able to put together a 65 country coalition. These countries would supply various types of support but no country was offering ground troops. Obama was restrained by this reality and it did not look like the US population was amenable to another ground war.
With ISIS actions against Russia, France and now China, the prospect of a new engaged strategy has grown and Obama will be able to shift his strategy. Israel would also have to be a partner in this new senior coalition. This group will be able to defeat ISIS.
The republican congress and the slate of GOP presidential candidates have no understanding of the dynamics of diversity and have already lost two Middle Eastern wars because of it. To fight in the Middle East entails a solid understanding of ethnic complexity. George W Bush apparently did not know the difference between Shiites and Sunnis when he invaded Iraq. Understanding the local culture matters.
ISIS and it soldiers believe they are invincible and want to test their power against US and probably now Russian forces. ISIS does give a damn about the refugees and the fright they have caused republicans is obvious to the rest of the world. This gutless Republican fear of the refugees makes America look extremely weak and emboldens ISIS and attracts new recruits who want to fight Satan.
The army that faces ISIS has to look like an army. The GOP is a mess right now. The voters do not trust their own elected officials and this is why Trump will be the nominee. Trump would never be able to bring together a coalition to fight ISIS.
You are right that the west is not going to roll over. The republican party though already has.
Bush left him a situation so stable in Iraq that he and Biden bragged about it in 2011 as one of their greatest triumphs and then abandoned the country. Afghanistan Obama said was the "good war" then he abandoned that too. Worst of all though and what really led to the growth of Isis was his total abandonment of his own redlines in Syria and his refusal to support the non Islamist enemies of Assad who have now ceased to exist. But more than any specific thing it is just Obama's refusal to have a coherent vision of Western victory that has let this metastisize.
These were not Obama's wars. You start them you own them.
Who were the non-Islamist enemies? The Christians in Syria have largely supported Assad and like in Iraq they were rewarded for this support?
Well summed up:
Bush left him a situation so stable in Iraq that he and Biden bragged about it in 2011 as one of their greatest triumphs and then abandoned the country. Afghanistan Obama said was the "good war" then he abandoned that too. Worst of all though and what really led to the growth of Isis was his total abandonment of his own redlines in Syria and his refusal to support the non Islamist enemies of Assad who have now ceased to exist. But more than any specific thing it is just Obama's refusal to have a coherent vision of Western victory that has let this metastisize.
Obama made his choices, bad choices.
His failed foreign policies, ineffective Secretaries of State and lack of professional experience caused havoc.
This is what happens when an amateur is empowered.
Obama claims it is offensive and contrary to American values to evaluate refugees based on their faith while he is deporting Christians.
Obama is importing Muslims, deporting Christians
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/11/18/obama-is-importing-muslims-deporting-christians.html
Obama claims it is offensive and contrary to American values to evaluate refugees based on their faith while he is deporting Christians.
Obama is importing Muslims, deporting Christians
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/11/18/obama-is-importing-muslims-deporting-christians.html
He is right. He is not deporting people because they are Christians, he is deporting them because they are here illegally.
Obama claims it is offensive and contrary to American values to evaluate refugees based on their faith while he is deporting Christians.
Obama is importing Muslims, deporting Christians
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/11/18/obama-is-importing-muslims-deporting-christians.htmlHe is right. He is not deporting people because they are Christians, he is deporting them because they are here illegally.
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Mimicking left-wing spin.
Democrats join GOP bill to keep America safe:
House passes bill that could limit Syrian refugees
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/19/politics/house-democrats-refugee-hearings-obama/index.html
Washington (CNN)The House easily passed a bill Thursday that would suspend the program allowing Syrian and Iraqi refugees into the U.S. until key national security agencies certify they don't pose a security risk.
The vote was 289-137, with 47 Democrats joining 242 Republicans in favor of the bill, creating a majority that could override President Barack Obama's promised veto.
Obama’s Dem Allies Revolt Over Syria
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/19/obama-s-dem-allies-revolt-over-syria.html
Top Democrats are starting to break with the president over Syria, further weakening his waning influence inside his own party.
The Paris terrorist attacks have been a game-changer on the Democratic side of the aisle, prompting allies of President Barack Obama President Barack Obama to revolt against his national security policies—for many, his efforts in Iraq and Syria have been weak gruel.
So, we can’t locate 11 million illegal aliens in the U.S. but we can vet Syrians in the Middle East?
This is what happens when an amateur is empowered.
So who do you support, Trump or Carson? LOL
This is what happens when an amateur is empowered.
So who do you support, Trump or Carson? LOL
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Changing the subject again.
Trying to run away from Obama's failures will prove fruitless. Hillary Clinton, the Democrat nominee also owns this foreign policy failure.
Deal with it.
For those that might not have ever visited the Statue of Liberty (a gift from France) or read the poem inscribed on its base...
That's just liberal French rhetoric. They planned for us to take in terrorists as refugees a long time ago, about the same time they faked Obama's birth certificate.
[Edited on 11/25/2015 by gondicar]
The majority of States are now refusing to allow Obama to dump Syrian refugees on them and endangering their citizens.
Scores of people in a position to know are publically stating that the Syrian refugees cannot be vetted.
Yesterday at his G-20 speech Obama was clearly irritated with the media’s repeated questions on this subject. The press kept asking because Obama kept not answering their questions directly. He looked and sounded like Hillary Clinton at Saturday night’s debate. Obama was hammered by the White House Press Corp. and annoyed with those who he used to count on to parrot his agenda. Obama’s embarrassing speech to the world yesterday didn’t make the front page of most American newspapers this morning.
Obama was impassioned about American taking in these refugees who are suffering from the war in their country. Where was Obama’s passion over the last few years while his lack of action and failed foreign policies caused the problem?
ISIS announced a long time ago that they are covertly inserting their fighters into the fleeing refugees.
Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein was loudest of the Democrats yesterday on the need for Obama to clearly state a Syrian refugee relocation program before Congress and The American People. Sen. Feinstein is one of the few hawks in the Democratic Party but her words carry a lot of weight.
A Trojan horse is coming to American. The American People see it and want Obama to put their safety put first.
This is all nonsense and also cowardly. ISIS was created by George W and is an example of REPUBLICAN failed war policy. Every piece of evidence supports this.
It was the ISIS objective to make the rest of the world fear the refugees. They have succeeded.
The current Republican leadership has surrendered to ISIS. The governors who are almost all Republican have also surrendered to ISIS. They are all afraid! ISIS will be emboldened by this overt display of fear.
I won't even get into the argument of "who created ISIS" because its utterly irrelevant. Bush is not president now. Obama is. ISIS has thrived over the last seven years, is stron ger than ever and is now directly threatening the West. Obama has constantly downplayed the threat and we are not about to take his word now. ISIS couldn't care LESS whether we let in refugees or not. Their goal is to establish a world wide caliphate and ensure everyone follows their brand of Islam. Everything they do is intended to further that goal.
It is totally relevant to research the origins of ISIS and your inability to understand this is solid argument for your side of the fence not be involved in any military planning in the future. To understand the military capacity of ISIS one needs to know who the leaders are and what their training and war experience is. It is not good strategy to go into war blind. One needs knowledge of the enemy and the ability of the enemy.
ISIS does care how the refugees scare republicans. They engineered this and the right capitulated and they will be very proud of this victory. Why wouldn't they be celebrating this defeat?
What on earth are you talking about? It's Obama and the left that refuses to acknowledge the religious Islamic basis of ISIS's actions. ANd believe me it is not just Republicans that are concerned. The Democrats are going to ride this issue right into the ground and are going to be shocked at what happens. ISIS doesn't give a damn if we admit refugees or not. They have a broader strategy and a vision. Our plan is to "weaken degrade and ultimately destroy" Isis. There is absolutely no coherent strategy to make that happen. Killing Jihadi John? That's a tactical victory. Every day ISIS survives or enlarges is a day it grows stronger and attracts more recruits. Because THAT'S what attracts Muslims to it, the feeling that they are winning, have God on their side, the wind at their back, however you want to phrase it. The only coherent strategy to fight ISIS ideologically is to put a world of hurt on them. To actually reverse the process by taking back the territory they have gained. To let the Islamic world know that THIS is not how it's going to happen, that the West is not going to roll over. That is how you fight ISIS. Does anyone seriously believe this has either crossed Obama's mind or is in any way a part of his thought process?
Obama inherited two hot spots from the Bush administration which had lost both the Afghan and Iraq wars. When Obama became President the mood in both Europe and the US had soured towards war, mainly because while there was a level of containment neither war was seen as winnable in the long term. ISIS was not the threat at this time that it grew to be later.
When ISIS expanded its influence and grew more menacing Obama was able to put together a 65 country coalition. These countries would supply various types of support but no country was offering ground troops. Obama was restrained by this reality and it did not look like the US population was amenable to another ground war.
With ISIS actions against Russia, France and now China, the prospect of a new engaged strategy has grown and Obama will be able to shift his strategy. Israel would also have to be a partner in this new senior coalition. This group will be able to defeat ISIS.
The republican congress and the slate of GOP presidential candidates have no understanding of the dynamics of diversity and have already lost two Middle Eastern wars because of it. To fight in the Middle East entails a solid understanding of ethnic complexity. George W Bush apparently did not know the difference between Shiites and Sunnis when he invaded Iraq. Understanding the local culture matters.
ISIS and it soldiers believe they are invincible and want to test their power against US and probably now Russian forces. ISIS does give a damn about the refugees and the fright they have caused republicans is obvious to the rest of the world. This gutless Republican fear of the refugees makes America look extremely weak and emboldens ISIS and attracts new recruits who want to fight Satan.
The army that faces ISIS has to look like an army. The GOP is a mess right now. The voters do not trust their own elected officials and this is why Trump will be the nominee. Trump would never be able to bring together a coalition to fight ISIS.
You are right that the west is not going to roll over. The republican party though already has.
Bush left him a situation so stable in Iraq that he and Biden bragged about it in 2011 as one of their greatest triumphs and then abandoned the country. Afghanistan Obama said was the "good war" then he abandoned that too. Worst of all though and what really led to the growth of Isis was his total abandonment of his own redlines in Syria and his refusal to support the non Islamist enemies of Assad who have now ceased to exist. But more than any specific thing it is just Obama's refusal to have a coherent vision of Western victory that has let this metastisize.
These were not Obama's wars. You start them you own them.
Who were the non-Islamist enemies? The Christians in Syria have largely supported Assad and like in Iraq they were rewarded for this support?
That's patently ridiculous. There are not Democratic Wars and Republican Wars. There are American Wars. He wanted the job so now HE owns it. Bush owned the mistakes he made by shifting gears to something that worked. Obama never shifts gears. Never ever.
Well summed up:
Bush left him a situation so stable in Iraq that he and Biden bragged about it in 2011 as one of their greatest triumphs and then abandoned the country. Afghanistan Obama said was the "good war" then he abandoned that too. Worst of all though and what really led to the growth of Isis was his total abandonment of his own redlines in Syria and his refusal to support the non Islamist enemies of Assad who have now ceased to exist. But more than any specific thing it is just Obama's refusal to have a coherent vision of Western victory that has let this metastisize.
Obama made his choices, bad choices.
His failed foreign policies, ineffective Secretaries of State and lack of professional experience caused havoc.This is what happens when an amateur is empowered.
It's not that he was an "amateur". It's that he is utterly committed to his specific ideology whatever the real world effects prove to be. Results simply don't matter to him as long as he can spin his way out of it.
