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quote:ISIS must really enjoy Obama's speeches when he repeatedly states what he will not do.
Yes, maybe we should ask Jihadi John what he thinks of Obama's weakness..... oh, wait.....
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Maybe we should ask the thousands of dead, killed by Islamic Extremist Terrorists what they think of the weak, cowardly American President.
Who got a bead and pulled the trigger on Bin Laden? Not George W and his hunting buddy.
You act like a two year old if you have nothing to add to the discussion go back to watching roller derby.
Democrat Governors see the writing on the wall, joining effort lead by Republican Governors to block Syrian refugees. Heading the warning by Obama's CIA Director, Homeland Security Sec. and many other senior administration officials that have said these people cannot be vetted.
Now, 30 States are standing up to Obama's reckless policy to allow Syrian refugees freely into the U.S.
Here is a chance to activate a brain long dormant due to right wing silliness. 15 of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis and Saudis today continue to join ISiS. One would think that Saudis would be a much greater security threat than poor refugees. Why pick on Syrians who were victims of ISIS? Why not ban the Saudis? If one wants to be paranoid that is the much better choice.
This distraction is starting to look very much like the invasion of Iraq.
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The 9/11 hijackers came to The U.S. on Clinton’s watch who’s administration gave them visas and lost control of them. They overstayed their visas and trained to fly still on Clinton’s watch. The Clinton administration ignored the Al Qaeda’s numerous attacks against The U.S.
You offer no proof that Saudis are joining ISIS. They are more likely to be joining the Al Qaeda affiliate fighting in Yemen.
Obama is allowing thousands of Syrian refugees to come to the U.S. and roam free. The Obama administration has no way to vet them, no way to discern which or how many of them are ISIS fighters.
What part of not allowing Islamic Extremist Terrorists, obligated to kill us into our country do you not understand?
If you need to consult, ask a Frenchman.
The Saudis all arrived on Bush's watch as they were the muscle and none went to flying school. Do you think ISIS is the only terrorist group active against the US and Europe?
Islamic Extremists should be kept out. It would also be a good idea to detain anyone trying to get back into the country after being with ISIS. My point is that it is important to target real terrorists and not just insult and try to block people who belong to a particular religion like you are doing. All of your anger seems directed at refugees who for the most part are women and children.
You really don't know what your talking about and you don't seem to have the capacity to grasp what is really going on so you are best left to your tirades.
George W made enormous tactical and military mistakes and created ISIS with the Iraq invasion. These are facts. You can distort them and keep on blowing up this false history about liberals but it will always be there to bite you in the a$$.
But....but....(insert right wing cartoon here)..... lol
I'm too tired to do anything except post a cartoon.
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Syrian Refugees to the US
We should have had a say. We should have been able to vote on this.
The similarities between the uninformed reactionary xenophobes freaking out over Syrian refugees and the uninformed reactions over the Ebola outbreak are striking.
The USA can provide significant support for the refugees without importing them to our country. We should not continue to admit large groups of immigrants whose beliefs are not compatible with our society and culture. Multiculturalism does NOT work and there is plenty of evidence throughout Europe. Many of those countries will lose their identities as their native populations get replaced by immigrants.
There are many peaceful Muslims, but they all subscribe to sharia law. Trust me when I tell you that you do not want to live under sharia law.
This is one of the most unAmerican posts I've read here. America is built on multiculturalism.
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Multiculturalism is fine as long as the overriding identity is with the US. My mom always told me that her grandparents used to leave the living room when her friends were over because they were ashamed they didn't speak English better, Now it is "prima numero dos." I work in a largely Hispanic neighborhood; the gov't is (illegally based on my knowledge) supplying health insurance to tons of illegals. I can't tell you the number of times I hear "my mother is going back to her country for a few months." We are footing the bill for people here illegally without allegiance to our country. The government wants to compound the problem. It is fine to be a ______American; the American part has to be the dominant identification for assimilation to work.
The USA can provide significant support for the refugees without importing them to our country. We should not continue to admit large groups of immigrants whose beliefs are not compatible with our society and culture. Multiculturalism does NOT work and there is plenty of evidence throughout Europe. Many of those countries will lose their identities as their native populations get replaced by immigrants.
There are many peaceful Muslims, but they all subscribe to sharia law. Trust me when I tell you that you do not want to live under sharia law.
This is one of the most unAmerican posts I've read here. America is built on multiculturalism.
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Multiculturalism is fine as long as the overriding identity is with the US. My mom always told me that her grandparents used to leave the living room when her friends were over because they were ashamed they didn't speak English better, Now it is "prima numero dos." I work in a largely Hispanic neighborhood; the gov't is (illegally based on my knowledge) supplying health insurance to tons of illegals. I can't tell you the number of times I hear "my mother is going back to her country for a few months." We are footing the bill for people here illegally without allegiance to our country. The government wants to compound the problem. It is fine to be a ______American; the American part has to be the dominant identification for assimilation to work.
What you are describing is not new, and does not represent the majority of immigrant (and 2nd and 3rd and 4th, etc generations) communities that identify as Americans first but still preserve their own cultural identities through language, religion, community centers, and day-to-day life in general. I married in to such a community and not only is it proud and vibrant and thriving but it is also very committed to preserving its cultural identity as a part of this great melting pot we call America. I believe it gets harder to do that with each new generation, but what keeps it from being totally homogenized are the new immigrants who come to America and join the community in order to pursue their dreams and hopefully become American citizens themselves someday without having to leave their cultural and ethnic and religious identity completely behind. It really does break my heart to read posts like the one from bluesboy57 because it represents the complete antithesis of American values and unfortunately is becoming all too common a viewpoint.
This obviously has nothing to do with the current situation, but is an interesting tangent...if so many people felt the same way about Syrian refugees in the 50s as they do today, there is a strong possibility that we would have no iPhones, iPads nor iMacs. That's because Steve Jobs was half Syrian. His father, Abdulfattah Jandali, fled to America in 1954 as a political refugee. He worked hard. He drove a taxi. He fell in love with an American woman. She got pregnant. Her conservative father forced them to break up, and the baby was given up. It’s why Steve Jobs was raised by adoptive parents, and why his last name is Jobs instead of Jandali. But he was very much the son of an Arab refugee.
This is a striking reminder of two things....most immigrants who come to America end up contributing to our society in ways big and small, some bigger than others. And the only real villains in such stories are the conservatives who allow racist paranoia to cause them to act out against immigrants in ways which are simply unAmerican.
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Finally, I have a reference point to use a guide as to whether my values are truly "American" or "Unamerican".
The Know-Nothings are reborn, fueled by an anti-immigrant fever
Every so often, a tide of bigotry, fear and xenophobia washes over our country.
There’s always someone new to hate.
Africans. Irish. Italians. Chinese. Jews. Japanese.
Politicians point to the newcomers as threats, bent on our country’s destruction.
Each time, they are proven wrong, the risk overstated for political gain.
And each time, our country falls short of the grand ideals upon which it was founded.
Today, conservative and Republican politicians are pointing a finger at Syrian refugees, blaming them for the terrible attacks in Paris with little or no evidence to support the claim.
Last year, other refugees, largely from Africa, were attacked and scapegoated for electoral gain. Remember Gov. Paul LePage’s attack ads and the Ebola panic? They focused on new arrivals to Maine who came to escape death and persecution in their home countries.
My wife and I visited Ellis Island last week where we found her great-grandfather’s name on a wall of immigrants who came through during a period of mass immigration.
Vincenzo Andrighetti arrived from Italy in 1913, a young man, abled-bodied as they say, on his way to building a life in America.
While he wasn’t a refugee, because he was Italian, he faced repression and bigotry. His religion and his motives were questioned.
And perhaps his life was even put at risk.
In 1891, just a few years before his arrival, New Orleans was the site of a horrible mass lynching, one of the largest ever.
A mob brutally executed 11 men.
Nine were accused of murdering a police officer. Of those, six had been acquitted by a jury and a mistrial was declared for the other three. The last two victims weren’t involved. They were swept up with the rest because of their religion and country of origin.
All 11 men were Italian, and the lynchings were driven by hatred and stereotypes of the new immigrant community and distrust of their Catholic faith.
An article in The New York Times three later said the lynchings were “just the thing that should have occurred.”
“The Italian colony in New Orleans … is a menace to American citizenship and good government,” the article reads. “They are treacherous, revengeful and seek their revenge in the most foul and cowardly manner. They have no regard for the truth, and the Mafia is all powerful to them.”
Another Times article referred to Italians like this: “Here was a society which was a continuous conspiracy against everything that is righteous and civilized.”
Change just a few words, add refugees or Syrians or Muslims or ISIL, and we hear the story repeated today.
At the turn of the century, Catholic churches weren’t allowed in some places; others were burned. Today, the argument is about closing mosques and adding a religious litmus test for new arrivals.
Such suggestions are downright un-American.
We don’t have to go so far away as New Orleans for context. John Bapst, whose name lives on today through John Bapst High School, was a Jesuit missionary in the Ellsworth area.
His preaching captured the attention of the Know-Nothings, a political party that formed largely to oppose immigration and the Catholic Church.
Bapst was tortured — tarred, feathered and ridden out of town on a rail.
Today’s Republican Party has become the heir to the Know-Nothings of the 1840s and 1850s. Its brand of anti-immigrant sentiment is hurting our country and targeting innocent people.
Never has the name of a political party been more appropriate.
The Know-Nothings dressed up their hate. They attacked the cost of educating new immigrants, who needed to learn English. They were worried about competition for jobs and the impact on taxes.
But the prejudice came through: “The new immigrants are beaten men from beaten races representing the worst failures in the struggle for existence,” said one Know-Nothing leader.
America is the strongest, most prosperous country in the world. We live in a time that is demonstrably safer and more secure than ever before. Fewer people are dying in war, from disease or violent crime.
And yet, we react with fear, stoked by a new generation of Know-Nothings who benefit when we forget who we are and what we stand for.
In 1954, CBS legend Edward R. Murrow stood up to Sen. Joseph McCarthy, the Know-Nothing fear monger of the day: “We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men – not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular.”
We forget our history, and we repeat it. We are not a fearful country. We should remember that and act accordingly.
Obama in a speech in Manila said that The Republicans are” afraid of a few widows and orphans”.
Apparently Obama didn’t get the memo.
- The majority of Syrian refugees Obama is dumping in U. S. States, without notifying those States, are young men.
- Some of the most powerful Democrats including Senators Feinstein and ultra-partisan Senator Schumer, his own CIA and FBI Directors and some Democrat State Governors are calling on Obama to stop the un-vetted refugees from freely coming to The U.S.
- Obama’s’ own CIA Director, FBI Director and NSA Director have publically stated that the Syrian refugees cannot be investigated for terrorist ties.
- The majority of American Citizens want Obama’s reckless program stopped.
When asked directly, Obama’s Sec. of Defense would not answer if he thought it was safe to let the un-vetted refugees into The U.S.
Yet again, Obama is on the wrong side of America.
When asked directly, Obama’s Sec. of Defense would not answer if he thought it was safe to let the un-vetted refugees into The U.S.
I have not heard anyone come out in favor of letting un-vetted refugees into the U.S. Please provide a reference to anyone who has taken that position.
Explain how you will check thousands of people in a mass migration in a couple of weeks.
Answer that question with a detailed process and be transparent about it.
Obama in a speech in Manila said that The Republicans are” afraid of a few widows and orphans”.
Apparently Obama didn’t get the memo.
- The majority of Syrian refugees Obama is dumping in U. S. States, without notifying those States, are young men.
The State Department says half the Syrian refugees brought to the U.S. so far have been children, the adults are about equally split between men and women, and 2.5% are over the age of 60. Only 2% are single males of combat age.
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Some of the most powerful Democrats including Senators Feinstein and ultra-partisan Senator Schumer, his own CIA and FBI Directors and some Democrat State Governors are calling on Obama to stop the un-vetted refugees from freely coming to The U.S.
- Obama’s’ own CIA Director, FBI Director and NSA Director have publically stated that the Syrian refugees cannot be investigated for terrorist ties.
- The majority of American Citizens want Obama’s reckless program stopped.
When asked directly, Obama’s Sec. of Defense would not answer if he thought it was safe to let the un-vetted refugees into The U.S.
Most refugees considered for resettlement in the U.S. are referred by the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR).
Applications are then handled by one of nine State Department-managed resettlement support centers around the world, a process that includes vetting and interviews by the Department of Homeland Security’s U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services and takes an average of 18-24 months. There are occasions when a process can begin without UNHCR referral, but this usually applies in cases of close relatives of refugees already in the U.S.
Of 2,184 Syrian refugees admitted into the U.S. since the Syrian civil war erupted in 2011, only 53 (2.4 percent) have been Christians while 2098 (or 96 percent) have been Muslims, according to State Department statistics updated on Monday.
Christians represent about 10% of the Syrian population but only 2% of the US refugees. The low percentage of Christians should be investigated. One reason could be that the majority of Christians live in Assad controlled areas in the cities of West Syria and fewer of them might be refugees.
How have we vetted the tens of thousands of refugees taken in since 9/11? That seems to have worked out well. What's wrong with that process?
Bottom line... the xenophobes who are ignoring the fact that no refugees have committed terrorist acts in the United States... the xenophobes who are ignoring the fact that no Syrian refugees committed the terrorist acts in Paris... the xenophobes who are ignoring the fact that homegrown terrorist are a far greater threat than Syrian refugees... won't change their mind.
Many citizens felt the same way before WWII.
I'll just wait and see how it turns out.
When asked directly, Obama’s Sec. of Defense would not answer if he thought it was safe to let the un-vetted refugees into The U.S.
I have not heard anyone come out in favor of letting un-vetted refugees into the U.S. Please provide a reference to anyone who has taken that position.
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Easy.
Obama's speeches from The G-20 and Manila.
A handful of weak Obama a$$ kissing Democrats
The posts here from the liberals.
The left-wing media people who blindly support Obama's reckless program.
Essentially a small group of un-American pussies whose politics far outweigh national security.
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Explain how you will check thousands of people in a mass migration in a couple of weeks.
Answer that question with a detailed process and be transparent about it.
I cited the process in a previous post. The US refugees are not drawn from this mass migration. All of them have been in refugee camps in Jordan for a number of years. There are no temporary camps for Syrians in the US.
The UN organizes the process for the Syrian US refugees. It is all easily researched and it is very transparent.
Putting ISIS agents in with the recent refugees was probably intended to scare Europeans. The hysteria and panic of the right wing in the US was likely an added bonus for ISIS.
When asked directly, Obama’s Sec. of Defense would not answer if he thought it was safe to let the un-vetted refugees into The U.S.
I have not heard anyone come out in favor of letting un-vetted refugees into the U.S. Please provide a reference to anyone who has taken that position.
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Easy.
Obama's speeches from The G-20 and Manila.
A handful of weak Obama a$$ kissing Democrats
The posts here from the liberals.
The left-wing media people who blindly support Obama's reckless program.Essentially a small group of un-American pussies whose politics far outweigh national security.
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So again, you have nothing..........
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Syrian Refugees to the USWe should have had a say. We should have been able to vote on this.
Can you package it up with a vote on gun control and the Nascar Chase format?
Explain how you will check thousands of people in a mass migration in a couple of weeks.
Answer that question with a detailed process and be transparent about it.
What makes you or anyone else think that thousands of people are coming to the US "in a mass migration in a couple of weeks"? The process is extensive and there will be no "mass migration in a couple of weeks." Whoever is saying that is playing on your fears, and if we let that continue then ISIS wins without ever firing a shot on US soil.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/politics/syrian-refugees-u-s-applicants-explainer/index.html
When asked directly, Obama’s Sec. of Defense would not answer if he thought it was safe to let the un-vetted refugees into The U.S.
I have not heard anyone come out in favor of letting un-vetted refugees into the U.S. Please provide a reference to anyone who has taken that position.
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Easy.
Obama's speeches from The G-20 and Manila.
A handful of weak Obama a$$ kissing Democrats
The posts here from the liberals.
The left-wing media people who blindly support Obama's reckless program.Essentially a small group of un-American pussies whose politics far outweigh national security.
ISIS has already beaten you.
Reactions to the 2004 Madrid train bombings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_2004_Madrid_train_bombings
When Fox News Didn't Blame The White House For A Huge Terror Attack In Europe
Madrid Train Bombing in 2004 Killed 191
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/11/18/when-fox-news-didnt-blame-the-white-house-for-a/206934
Easy.
Obama's speeches from The G-20 and Manila.
A handful of weak Obama a$$ kissing Democrats
The posts here from the liberals.
The left-wing media people who blindly support Obama's reckless program.Essentially a small group of un-American pussies whose politics far outweigh national security.
Why you gotta talk like that? You are truly a blighted, black souled demon in the army of hatred. I have no idea why you haven't been play penned.
Only two percent of refugees are young, single males of fighting age
Allowing 10,000 Syrian refugees into the United States is the American thing to do, the State Department said Tuesday after 24 governors issued orders to deny entry to their respective states of refugees of the Syrian civil war.
The statement, made to reporters by Mark Toner, deputy spokesman for the State Department, comes at a politically contentious time when lawmakers and governors have criticized President Barack Obama’s plans to allow refugees into the country, USA Today reported.
House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wisconsin, called for a comprehensive assessment to ensure ISIS militants were not entering the country alongside the thousands of refugees seeking safety, USA TOday said. The concern was raised after at least one attacker in the recent attacks in Paris was believed to have entered France as a refugee. More than 129 people were killed in a series of shootings and explosions in Paris on Friday.
The State Department said only two percent of refugees leaving Syria are single males of fighting age, while the majority of refugees are children and adults. About two and half percent of refugees are over 60 years old.
“It speaks to who we are as Americans, and the importance of sheltering those who are escaping from other countries,” Toner said, according to USA Today. “The vast majority of these refugees are victims of the very same crimes we saw in Paris, and have been living with a level of violence and suffering that is incomprehensible to us.”
[USA Today]
http://time.com/4117820/syria-refugee-us-state-department/
What do you think the left-wing Time magazine would say? They have always bent over for Obama.
So the liberal here are ignoring Obama’s CIA Director, FBI Director and Director of National Security all of whom have publically stated that the Syrian refugees Obama is bringing to the U.S. cannot be vetted.
Their warning holds actual value.
Yea, a handful of liberals here are right and everyone else is wrong, even those who actually know what they are talking about.
Difficult to defend Obama’s delusions isn’t it?
Obama criticizes Americans for standing strong against terrorism.
Putin: 'To Forgive The Terrorists Is Up To God, But To Send Them To Him Is Up To Me'
It is a sad day when the Russian President shows strong leadership while the American President shows none.
When asked directly, Obama’s Sec. of Defense would not answer if he thought it was safe to let the un-vetted refugees into The U.S.
I have not heard anyone come out in favor of letting un-vetted refugees into the U.S. Please provide a reference to anyone who has taken that position.
Easy.
Obama's speeches from The G-20 and Manila.
A handful of weak Obama a$$ kissing Democrats
The posts here from the liberals.
The left-wing media people who blindly support Obama's reckless program.Essentially a small group of un-American pussies whose politics far outweigh national security.
I was really asking for a link to a direct quote from someone in authority. I guess you don't have it.
When asked directly, Obama’s Sec. of Defense would not answer if he thought it was safe to let the un-vetted refugees into The U.S.
I have not heard anyone come out in favor of letting un-vetted refugees into the U.S. Please provide a reference to anyone who has taken that position.
Easy.
Obama's speeches from The G-20 and Manila.
A handful of weak Obama a$$ kissing Democrats
The posts here from the liberals.
The left-wing media people who blindly support Obama's reckless program.Essentially a small group of un-American pussies whose politics far outweigh national security.
I was really asking for a link to a direct quote from someone in authority. I guess you don't have it.
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Those in authority have been quoted widely and the videos of those statements are everywhere.
Do you not read?
When asked directly, Obama’s Sec. of Defense would not answer if he thought it was safe to let the un-vetted refugees into The U.S.
I have not heard anyone come out in favor of letting un-vetted refugees into the U.S. Please provide a reference to anyone who has taken that position.
Easy.
Obama's speeches from The G-20 and Manila.
A handful of weak Obama a$$ kissing Democrats
The posts here from the liberals.
The left-wing media people who blindly support Obama's reckless program.Essentially a small group of un-American pussies whose politics far outweigh national security.
I was really asking for a link to a direct quote from someone in authority. I guess you don't have it.
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Those in authority have been quoted widely and the videos of those statements are everywhere.
Do you not read?
I'll take that as an admission that you cannot provide a solid reference. Thanks. Goodbye.
