Where did we go wrong? This is truly madness!

JFK assassination - that was the point of no return

IMO it all went horribly wrong in Vietnam. Daily lies to the public became the norm. Worse, less than 20 years after the end of the war (58,000+ died), the US lifted its ban on tourism there (1992). Luxury tour operators have been making $$$$ with 2019 expect to perform even better than 2018. Marriott has a luxury island hotel w/butler for each room & daily champagne breakfasts. Why were we there again?

1968 was when things went off the rails - MLK, RFK assassinations, Chicago Dem Convention, Columbia Univ protests - culminating in Nixon's win.

Worse, less than 20 years after the end of the war (58,000+ died), the US lifted its ban on tourism there (1992)

???? I don't get this at all! Am headed there next year, #1 on bucket list - been saving looking forward to it for 20 years. Great place, good people, beautiful landscapes, good food, love the music, literature, fascinating history - even learning a bit of the language. Interested to hear why you think Americans should not be allowed to travel to Viet Nam?

Where did we go wrong? This is truly madness!

JFK assassination - that was the point of no return

IMO it all went horribly wrong in Vietnam. Daily lies to the public became the norm. Worse, less than 20 years after the end of the war (58,000+ died), the US lifted its ban on tourism there (1992). Luxury tour operators have been making $$$$ with 2019 expect to perform even better than 2018. Marriott has a luxury island hotel w/butler for each room & daily champagne breakfasts. Why were we there again?

1968 was when things went off the rails - MLK, RFK assassinations, Chicago Dem Convention, Columbia Univ protests - culminating in Nixon's win.

Not to forget Dan Rather being pummeled and pushed to the ground at the Dem convention.

Interested to hear why you think Americans should not be allowed to travel to Viet Nam?

It's a perfectly fine place to travel.

My point - in response to "where did it all go wrong question" - is that Vietnam ripped the country apart (sort of MAGA v. Dems x 100), 3-4 prez lied to the US as to why we were there & that we were "winning," & vets were treated like lesser mortals upon return. 15 or so years later, it's like "Turns out saving South Vietnam WASN'T so important to global democracy that we needed to stay there until hell froze over; let's go over there & party down because there are all kinds of biz opportunities."

Now - 50 years later - it's just another tourist destination.

I haven't seen anything on the news, so I'd like to find out which charity he allegedly) stole from. Please post link.

Old news. This goes back to the dissolution of The Trump Foundation in 2018 for funneling $ to his campaign, paying off TO debts, & buying a portrait for his club = stealing aka misappropriation. Despite vowing to fight the charges, Trump ADMITTED WRONGDOING & settled the case last month and was approved by a judge last week. The $2mm in damages is in addition to whatever was left in the Fund & will be paid to 7 non-profits unrelated to any of the Trumps.

The concession from the NYS AG was that Trump isn't barred from ever running a non-profit again & the 3 Ivana kids are allowed to serve on non-profit boards after taking "training."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/07/nyregion/trump-charities-new-york.html?searchResultPosition=1

You'd think this alone would be enough to sway many people not to vote for him, but instead it's just a normalcy of what is expected from Trump along with racism, subverting our intel agencies & the DOJ, playing up to Russia, the shenanigans in Ukraine, closing down the government, trade tariffs, etc.

All good actions and all fine with his supporters.

It's a perfectly fine place to travel.

My point - in response to "where did it all go wrong question" - is that Vietnam ripped the country apart (sort of MAGA v. Dems x 100), 3-4 prez lied to the US as to why we were there & that we were "winning," & vets were treated like lesser mortals upon return. 15 or so years later, it's like "Turns out saving South Vietnam WASN'T so important to global democracy that we needed to stay there until hell froze over; let's go over there & party down because there are all kinds of biz opportunities."

Now - 50 years later - it's just another tourist destination.

I get your angle now - good points.

Despite vowing to fight the charges, Trump ADMITTED WRONGDOING & settled the case last month and was approved by a judge last week.

You'd think this alone would be enough to sway many people not to vote for him, but instead it's just a normalcy of what is expected from Trump along with racism, subverting our intel agencies & the DOJ, playing up to Russia, the shenanigans in Ukraine, closing down the government, trade tariffs, etc.

All good actions and all fine with his supporters.

Trump knows his base - he could shoot a gun on 5th Ave & he'd be praised.