Obama veto = Obama relocating the basketball and shutting down the government.
Did Obama get blamed previously...no. It was the GOP. Will he get blamed should it happen this time...no. It will be the Tea Baggers in the dysfunctional House GOP. The basketball is in your court.
Who was it that said, "Perception is reality"? Perception & reality = the House GOP.
Thanks goodness.
Maybe we'll get some proper leadership in the House
Which means exactly what? Do you advocate for more gridlock, and the GOP moving further to the right and being labeled beyond the "the party of no"? Maybe a Tea Party member would satisfy you as speaker? If McCarthy succeeds JB, we'll be right back here in 6 months.
Good for JB for stepping down. It's not as if he doesn't know that there probably is no one in his caucus that can satisfy the dysfunctional factions within his party. I'm looking forward to reading any book he may write and seeing if speaks the truth about members of his caucus.
Let me ask you this Fuji - Are you a proponent of shutting down the government to symbolically represent a stance? Do you think it shows good governance? Are you OK with the costs associated with a shutdown? Bottom line - does the end justify the means?
I'm betting you yearn for all sorts of compromise in gov't. Let's return to the golden days of compromise, so on and so forth.
Ok, let's bring back those days. When would you say those days were - 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's?
When we bring them back, lets not forget to bring along all that were part and parcel of those decades. I'm sure you remember times when globalization hadn't destroyed the American manufacturing base, when we had immigration laws that we actually enforced, when we didn't have almost $20 trillion in debt, when we didn't have an artificially propped up stock market based on Fed money printing and/or zero interest rates, when we would still have a positive balance of trade month-to-month, when the American attitude was to work hard and success was the responsibility of the individual, when we didn't have almost 1/6th of the country on food stamps with no end in sight, when home ownership wasn't in decline, and when the percentage of our fellow citizens in the workforce wasn't also in decline. I also remember when both parties knew they could only go so far in terms of spending, debt, social programs, and a social agenda because the majority of Americans still understood that liberty and the continued existence of the republic was theirs to guard.
Remember those days? Me too.
The point is that compromise is easy when you're not facing stiff challenges, created by our own mismanagement, that threaten the future of all. Why is gridlock never blamed on those who refuse to accept any limits whatsoever? It's always the fault of those who want see some reasonable level of behavior maintained.
If the current debate over funding Planned Parenthood becomes the crux of a shutdown, how can reasonable people side with the continuation of infanticide, given what's come out of the recent controversy? Isn't it enough that abortion remain legal? Why do we have to force taxpayer's to fund something so many people find hideously offensive, and that which even the Vice President the other day all but admitted was murder?
From my first post & questions for you, I'll repeat the below:
Let me ask you this Fuji - Are you a proponent of shutting down the government to symbolically represent a stance? Do you think it shows good governance? Are you OK with the costs associated with a shutdown? Bottom line - does the end justify the means?
You seem to want to generalize and lump all these issues together as symbolic. I think it depends on the issue.
The whole image projected by the media of a govt shutdown is nonsense to begin with. Talk about symbolism! No vital agencies close, social programs continue to function and pay, the military doesn't close shop and go home. Its blown out of proportion for political showmanship.
If we have a President who is violating his first duty and oath of office (to uphold the Constitution and its laws) and refuses to defund an organization that is engaging in criminal behavior, why is Congress faulted for wanting to right this wrong? The fact that the crime in question involves the dignity and consideration for the most helpless of human conditions should make this a national disgrace. But no, not for some. If this kind of behavior is acceptable to so-called progressives, they really need to find a new name.
Obama veto = Obama relocating the basketball and shutting down the government.
Did Obama get blamed previously...no. It was the GOP. Will he get blamed should it happen this time...no. It will be the Tea Baggers in the dysfunctional House GOP.
Now that would be a huge surprise. You would expect something else?
Obama vetoes bill to shut down the government, then plays the "look what they made me do" act. And people wonder why the insurgent movement is sweeping the nation?
If we have a President who is violating his first duty and oath of office (to uphold the Constitution and its laws) and refuses to defund an organization that is engaging in criminal behavior, why is Congress faulted for wanting to right this wrong? The fact that the crime in question involves the dignity and consideration for the most helpless of human conditions should make this a national disgrace. But no, not for some. If this kind of behavior is acceptable to so-called progressives, they really need to find a new name.
Quit lying. What criminal behavior have they been charged with?
If we have a President who is violating his first duty and oath of office (to uphold the Constitution and its laws) and refuses to defund an organization that is engaging in criminal behavior, why is Congress faulted for wanting to right this wrong? The fact that the crime in question involves the dignity and consideration for the most helpless of human conditions should make this a national disgrace. But no, not for some. If this kind of behavior is acceptable to so-called progressives, they really need to find a new name.
Quit lying. What criminal behavior have they been charged with?
You must be joking. Do you really think the current Justice Dept will consider for a second taking any action?
Here's the statute...
42 U.S. Code § 289g–2 - Prohibitions regarding human fetal tissue
(a) Purchase of tissue
It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly acquire, receive, or otherwise transfer any human fetal tissue for valuable consideration
This video shows a Planned Parenthood doctor (starting at around the 50 second mark), stating clearly "we haven't been working with anyone who wants stem cells, we've just been working with those who want particular tissues". And there's tons more.
Not enough to investigate, or at least suspend their funding? Give me a break
[Edited on 9/26/2015 by Fujirich]
Thanks goodness.
Maybe we'll get some proper leadership in the House
Which means exactly what? Do you advocate for more gridlock, and the GOP moving further to the right and being labeled beyond the "the party of no"? Maybe a Tea Party member would satisfy you as speaker? If McCarthy succeeds JB, we'll be right back here in 6 months.
Good for JB for stepping down. It's not as if he doesn't know that there probably is no one in his caucus that can satisfy the dysfunctional factions within his party. I'm looking forward to reading any book he may write and seeing if speaks the truth about members of his caucus.
Let me ask you this Fuji - Are you a proponent of shutting down the government to symbolically represent a stance? Do you think it shows good governance? Are you OK with the costs associated with a shutdown? Bottom line - does the end justify the means?
I'm betting you yearn for all sorts of compromise in gov't. Let's return to the golden days of compromise, so on and so forth.
Ok, let's bring back those days. When would you say those days were - 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's?
When we bring them back, lets not forget to bring along all that were part and parcel of those decades. I'm sure you remember times when globalization hadn't destroyed the American manufacturing base, when we had immigration laws that we actually enforced, when we didn't have almost $20 trillion in debt, when we didn't have an artificially propped up stock market based on Fed money printing and/or zero interest rates, when we would still have a positive balance of trade month-to-month, when the American attitude was to work hard and success was the responsibility of the individual, when we didn't have almost 1/6th of the country on food stamps with no end in sight, when home ownership wasn't in decline, and when the percentage of our fellow citizens in the workforce wasn't also in decline. I also remember when both parties knew they could only go so far in terms of spending, debt, social programs, and a social agenda because the majority of Americans still understood that liberty and the continued existence of the republic was theirs to guard.
Remember those days? Me too.
The point is that compromise is easy when you're not facing stiff challenges, created by our own mismanagement, that threaten the future of all. Why is gridlock never blamed on those who refuse to accept any limits whatsoever? It's always the fault of those who want see some reasonable level of behavior maintained.
If the current debate over funding Planned Parenthood becomes the crux of a shutdown, how can reasonable people side with the continuation of infanticide, given what's come out of the recent controversy? Isn't it enough that abortion remain legal? Why do we have to force taxpayer's to fund something so many people find hideously offensive, and that which even the Vice President the other day all but admitted was murder?
From my first post & questions for you, I'll repeat the below:
Let me ask you this Fuji - Are you a proponent of shutting down the government to symbolically represent a stance? Do you think it shows good governance? Are you OK with the costs associated with a shutdown? Bottom line - does the end justify the means?
You seem to want to generalize and lump all these issues together as symbolic. I think it depends on the issue.
The whole image projected by the media of a govt shutdown is nonsense to begin with. Talk about symbolism! No vital agencies close, social programs continue to function and pay, the military doesn't close shop and go home. Its blown out of proportion for political showmanship.
If we have a President who is violating his first duty and oath of office (to uphold the Constitution and its laws) and refuses to defund an organization that is engaging in criminal behavior, why is Congress faulted for wanting to right this wrong? The fact that the crime in question involves the dignity and consideration for the most helpless of human conditions should make this a national disgrace. But no, not for some. If this kind of behavior is acceptable to so-called progressives, they really need to find a new name.
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You are preaching truth to those who refuse to even acknowledge the criminal activities of Obama. Worse so many don't even know of them.
Read that idiot Sang's post above.
He (assumption) is both ignorant and incapable of learning the truth.
If we have a President who is violating his first duty and oath of office (to uphold the Constitution and its laws) and refuses to defund an organization that is engaging in criminal behavior, why is Congress faulted for wanting to right this wrong? The fact that the crime in question involves the dignity and consideration for the most helpless of human conditions should make this a national disgrace. But no, not for some. If this kind of behavior is acceptable to so-called progressives, they really need to find a new name.
Quit lying. What criminal behavior have they been charged with?
You must be joking. Do you really think the current Justice Dept will consider for a second taking any action?
Here's the statute...
42 U.S. Code § 289g–2 - Prohibitions regarding human fetal tissue
(a) Purchase of tissue
It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly acquire, receive, or otherwise transfer any human fetal tissue for valuable consideration
This video shows a Planned Parenthood doctor (starting at around the 50 second mark), stating clearly "we haven't been working with anyone who wants stem cells, we've just been working with those who want particular tissues". And there's tons more.
Not enough to investigate, or at least suspend their funding? Give me a break
[Edited on 9/26/2015 by Fujirich]
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/unspinning-the-planned-parenthood-video/
pops,
You're wasting your time. Those who want to see or believe in something will do so even if it's been proven false or wrong. It's kind of like mates going down with the ship...loyalty and predetermined beliefs will never be changed. It's no different than those who dismiss science.
This whole PP thing is just another act by right wing & anti government zealots to inflict holier than thou judgements and beliefs on segments of the population.
You are preaching truth to those who refuse to even acknowledge the criminal activities of Obama. Worse so many don't even know of them.
Read that idiot Sang's post above.He (assumption) is both ignorant and incapable of learning the truth.
Quoting for posterity. You obviously don't understand that the tapes were altered and no where has it been proven that they 'sell body parts'. They have not been charged with any criminal wrong doing. Also, the funding in question has nothing to do with abortions.
You saying that Obama engaged in criminal activities doesn't make it so......
Glad you never make things personal........
So what would be wrong with sending the $525 Billion to other providers of these services who don't perform abortions or sell baby body parts, which has been proposed? This way, we know for sure that no public funds are being used for abortions, right? Seems like a no-brainer.
Absolutely. It is a brainless suggestion. Right now there is ONE organization distributing funds for women's reproductive health. It makes annual financial reports.
Who are these mythical "other providers?" How does one verify what services they do and don't offer? Who is going to oversee this collection of "other provides?" Audit them? Sanction them? Anyone who abhors Planned Parenthood is going to abhor these "other providers."
If we have a President who is violating his first duty and oath of office (to uphold the Constitution and its laws) and refuses to defund an organization that is engaging in criminal behavior, why is Congress faulted for wanting to right this wrong? The fact that the crime in question involves the dignity and consideration for the most helpless of human conditions should make this a national disgrace. But no, not for some. If this kind of behavior is acceptable to so-called progressives, they really need to find a new name.
Quit lying. What criminal behavior have they been charged with?
You must be joking. Do you really think the current Justice Dept will consider for a second taking any action?
Here's the statute...
42 U.S. Code § 289g–2 - Prohibitions regarding human fetal tissue
(a) Purchase of tissue
It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly acquire, receive, or otherwise transfer any human fetal tissue for valuable consideration
This video shows a Planned Parenthood doctor (starting at around the 50 second mark), stating clearly "we haven't been working with anyone who wants stem cells, we've just been working with those who want particular tissues". And there's tons more.
Not enough to investigate, or at least suspend their funding? Give me a break
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/unspinning-the-planned-parenthood-video/
Good link Pops, however actually reading what is says there further proves the my point.
The second sentence says: "But the full, unedited video they cite as evidence shows a Planned Parenthood executive repeatedly saying its clinics want to cover their costs, not make money, when donating fetal tissue from abortions for scientific research."
This doesn't have anything to do with covering just their costs. The statute says it's illegal to do it - period.
How about we take the money being directed to Planned Parenthood and direct it instead to helping veterans. Its certainly needed there.
The statute says they can't profit from it - covering their costs is not a profit ... it's a nit, but an important one.....
"How about we take the money being directed to Planned Parenthood and direct it instead to helping veterans. Its certainly needed there."
Instead of taking the money from health services for women, couldn't we just take the money needed for the Veterans Administration from the extremely bloated and wasteful defense appropriations littered throughout the the entire federal budget?
Certainly we can find several more billion per year for the VA out of the nearly TRILLION dollars annually we spend on defense. It's the military that creates veterans so use their budget as a means to support them. It's not like the complex doesn't already get a blank check anyway. Just require the Pentagon and the various other federal agencies tasked with "defense" to actually pay the long term costs of their federal employees, both active and retired (which is essentially what a veteran is) through the end of their life.
We could easily fund the VA appropriately if we'd simply require the complex to pay it out of their own budgets. But that would take money away from certain for profit interests and thus it's not allowed to happen..
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"How about we take the money being directed to Planned Parenthood and direct it instead to helping veterans. Its certainly needed there."
Good response to the above, Chain.
Why the war on women's reproductive health at all? BTW, women are veterans, too.
But if the government actually does help the veterans the VA’s federal employees would not be able to manipulate the paperwork and get their bonuses.
A dead veteran is money in their pocket.
But if the government actually does help the veterans the VA’s federal employees would not be able to manipulate the paperwork and get their bonuses.
A dead veteran is money in their pocket.
America's dumbest troll spews forth more of his "wisdom"
TANKS!
But if the government actually does help the veterans the VA’s federal employees would not be able to manipulate the paperwork and get their bonuses.
A dead veteran is money in their pocket.
That manages to be is a despicable and vicious characterization of people who work for the federal government and a callous and humiliating statement on the value of veteran's lives.
That will no doubt be a catchy phrase at your next pro-life meeting.
But if the government actually does help the veterans the VA’s federal employees would not be able to manipulate the paperwork and get their bonuses.
A dead veteran is money in their pocket.
That manages to be is a despicable and vicious characterization of people who work for the federal government and a callous and humiliating statement on the value of veteran's lives.
That will no doubt be a catchy phrase at your next pro-life meeting.
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Fact son.
VA Managers had veteran’s applications for healthcare destroyed in order to achieve the quota necessary for them to get their bonuses.
Many hundreds died waiting for the healthcare they were promised
VA whistleblowers were fired by the Obama administration but are now winning their cases in the courts.
What the hell do you think caused Obama to finally have to fire his Sec. of Veterans Affairs and replace him with one of his CEO donors?
Why are there hundreds of lawsuits now in the courts by veterans and their survivors over the failure of the VA?
Why the VA scandal is the real outrage
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-the-va-scandal-is-the-real-outrage/
I know many liberals couldn’t care less about the men and women who make the sacrifice and put on the uniform to defend the freedoms you enjoy. The least you can do is be informed and just say thank you.
[Edited on 9/28/2015 by Muleman1994]
But if the government actually does help the veterans the VA’s federal employees would not be able to manipulate the paperwork and get their bonuses.
A dead veteran is money in their pocket.
That manages to be is a despicable and vicious characterization of people who work for the federal government and a callous and humiliating statement on the value of veteran's lives.
That will no doubt be a catchy phrase at your next pro-life meeting.
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Fact son. Blah blah blah. I know many liberals couldn’t care less about the men and women who make the sacrifice and put on the uniform to defend the freedoms you enjoy. The least you can do is be informed and just say thank you.
[Edited on 9/28/2015 by Muleman1994]
I'm well aware acquainted with the corruption within the VA administration and actions to rectify it. It is a blemish that all Americans should be ashamed of and support corrective measures.
That does not excuse the cavalier way you expressed the value of a veteran's life. You should be embarrassed.
Gosh Muleman... you make it sound like the problems with the VA began under Obama.
Veterans Groups Sue Bush Administration Over Delayed Benefits Claims
The lawsuit says that Department of Veterans Affairs claims decisions average more than six months.By Amanda Ruggeri Nov. 10, 2008 | 4:52 p.m. EST + More
Coming on the heels of the discovery that veterans' benefit claims forms may have been shredded in regional offices nationwide, two veterans' organizations have filed a lawsuit against the Department of Veterans Affairs. They're attacking a related and, they say, similarly egregious problem: the time it takes for the VA to make a decision on a disability claim.Clogged with more than 600,000 pending claims, the VA takes an average of more than six months to make a decision—70 percent more time than it took four years ago, the claimants allege. That means that disabled veterans can't access their disability pay when they're transitioning back into civilian society and need help the most, say critics.
If the claim is denied, an appeal takes even longer—an average of four years. Some stretch into decades. In comparison, private healthcare groups usually process claims in less than three months, including appeals.
In response, the Vietnam Veterans of America and the Veterans of Modern Warfare filed a preliminary injunction in a D.C. district court today against the VA. The two organizations, which together represent about 60,000 veterans, are asking for the VA to adhere to a time limit: 90 days to decide initial claims for disability benefits and 180 days to resolve appeals.
If those standards can't be met, the suit asks that veterans receive interim benefits equivalent to what a veteran on a 30 percent disability rating would receive, or $356 per month for a single veteran without dependents. That's not much, the groups say, but can be a "lifeline" for veterans attempting to adapt to civilian society.
"America has a covenant with its veterans. It always has," says Charles Figley, an expert in post-traumatic stress disorder who has declared his support for the motion. "Young men and women raise their right hand; they swear to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, put themselves in harm's way, and serve their country in whatever way they are asked to do. In return, America has promised that if they are injured in their service to the United States, they will be cared for."
The VA referred questions to the Department of Justice, which did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
One veteran who says he's been scarred by the system's inefficiency is Bobby O'Daniel, a Marine Corps veteran. He returned from the 1991 Gulf War with depression, fatigue, aches, and diminishing vision that kept him from holding down a job or maintaining relationships, he says. At the age of 21, he knew his body shouldn't be feeling this way.
But when he filed for disabilities benefits, he waited more than a year for the decision. And it rated him as having a 10 percent disability—at the time, about $87 per month. That led to "13 years of anger and frustration" as he appealed the decision, he says, not to mention the "shame in having to ask for something deserved that I had already earned." His case is still ongoing.
Today's lawsuit isn't the first to target what's seen as the inefficiency of the disabilities benefits system. A class action suit by Veterans for Common Sense and Veterans United for Truth last year went after the VA on a number of fronts, from charges that it made benefits decisions too slowly to that it failed to adequately augment its PTSD services. The suit was unsuccessful. Robert Cattanach, a partner at the law firm representing veterans in the current case, says that this one has a better chance of succeeding because it's more focused.
Critics within government also have aired their concerns. In recent years, the Government Accountability Office has published at least four critical reports about the VA disabilities system, stating in 2007 that the benefits program was "in urgent need of attention and transformation" and "was poorly positioned to provide meaningful and timely support" for disabled veterans. Congressional statutes mandate that the VA resolve claims in a timely manner, but they don't set deadlines.
Former VA Secretary Jim Nicholson says that during his tenure from 2005 to 2007, he pushed for a system that would expedite claims and allow interim benefits. "It didn't have enough support inside the administration or on the Hill," Nicholson says. "It was just such a dramatic departure from the way things were done."
[Edited on 9/28/2015 by BillyBlastoff]
Irrelevant point.
Under the new federal employee bonus system, VA managers destroyed documents and intentionally manipulated data in order to fraudulently obtain financial gain.
A dead veteran is money in their pockets.
Obama was told this for years and ignored it thus causing the death of hundreds of veterans.
It is not hard to understand why the military detests the coward-n-chief.
Irrelevant point.
Under the new federal employee bonus system, VA managers destroyed documents and intentionally manipulated data in order to fraudulently obtain financial gain.A dead veteran is money in their pockets.
Obama was told this for years and ignored it thus causing the death of hundreds of veterans.
It is not hard to understand why the military detests the coward-n-chief.
What does boehner resigning have to do with the V.A.?? ..........nothing, just like whats between your ears. nobody sh!ts on veterans like the G.O.P.
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The veterans issue came in from Fujirich above should you bother to read and you quoted that post.
“nobody sh!ts on veterans like the G.O.P.”
- Let’s examine that empty lie from pops:
The military greatly respected Presidents Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43.
The military has deep disgust with Carter, Clinton and Obama.
Yea, it’s the all GOP just like Hillary says.
[Edited on 9/28/2015 by Muleman1994]
[Edited on 9/28/2015 by Muleman1994]
A dead veteran is money in their pockets.
ARE YOU JUST GOING TO KEEP REPEATING THAT DISGUSTING, CRASS, AND DISHONORABLE SENTENCE?
The dysfunction and corruption at the Veteran's Administration has been an ongoing problem for decades and was occurring long before George W. Bush or Barack Obama occupied the White House.
A big part of the problem, and one that continues at the VA, is it's simply tasked with a nearly impossible mission given its relatively scant funding, under staffing, and bureaucratic red tape. All problems exacerbated by over a decade of war in the Middle East and the return of thousands of Veterans with life long injuries, both mental and physical, and you now have a VA even more unable to carry out its mission.
In addition, we have continual gridlock, partisan politics, and the usual grandstanding for personal gain by many on Capital Hill. Meanwhile, very little has been accomplished to correct the actual problems at the VA. Typical Washington!
A dead veteran is money in their pockets.
ARE YOU JUST GOING TO KEEP REPEATING THAT DISGUSTING, CRASS, AND DISHONORABLE SENTENCE?
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What is the matter son? Are the facts hurting your little liberal brain again?
A dead veteran is money in their pockets.
ARE YOU JUST GOING TO KEEP REPEATING THAT DISGUSTING, CRASS, AND DISHONORABLE SENTENCE?
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What is the matter son? Are the facts hurting your little liberal brain again?
I understand the problems at the VA. It's been a nightmare since WWII. Nowhere has any single federal employee been charged with 2nd degree murder with intent to profit from the death of a U.S. veteran yet you continue to insist there's a bounty on the head of every veteran in this country.
Stupid can be overlooked, but Evil thrives when good men stand by and do nothing.
I WON'T STAND BY AND READ YOUR LIBELOUS SOUND BITES AND KEEP SILENT.
We all have options in life...
A dead veteran is money in their pockets.
ARE YOU JUST GOING TO KEEP REPEATING THAT DISGUSTING, CRASS, AND DISHONORABLE SENTENCE?
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What is the matter son? Are the facts hurting your little liberal brain again?
I understand the problems at the VA. It's been a nightmare since WWII. Nowhere has any single federal employee been charged with 2nd degree murder with intent to profit from the death of a U.S. veteran yet you continue to insist there's a bounty on the head of every veteran in this country.
Stupid can be overlooked, but Evil thrives when good men stand by and do nothing.
I WON'T STAND BY AND READ YOUR LIBELOUS SOUND BITES AND KEEP SILENT.
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Your ignorance of the depths and severity of the VA scandal are typical of your kind.
There are no charges filed yet because the Obama administration will not pursue corruption scandals of its own administration. Obama uses the Justice Department as thugs for his political agenda. Obama is intentionally slow walking, withholding documents and blocking the investigation of the VA corruption scandal so he can get out of office before it blows up in his face again.
“It's been a nightmare since WWII” – a defection. The federal employee’s destruction of healthcare applications by veterans and the falsification of data began during the Obama administration.
“The Obama administration has ruled that inspectors general have to get permission from the agency they’re monitoring”
VA whistleblower’s, once encouraged by the citizens and the government, have been threatened and fired by Obama administration officials:
In front of the TV cameras Obama, under nation-wide pressure to respond to the VA corruption scandal said he ”will not tolerate it” and then of course did everything he could to cover it up and protect his political ass:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/obama-va-scandal-will-not-tolerate-it-eric-shinseki-meeting
I never said “there's a bounty on the head of every veteran in this country”. That is your lie.
Why do the liberals have to misrepresent what someone else says and outright lie to defend the corrupt and failed Obama presidency?
“I WON'T STAND BY AND READ YOUR LIBELOUS SOUND BITES AND KEEP SILENT.” Yes, you will keep lying and ignoring the facts to placate your ideology.
Fact: for some federal employees of the VA, a dead veteran is money in their pockets.
We all have options in life...
Yes, we do, and normally I would ignore him. I can't believe he can libel federal employees by saying there is a bounty on the head of every veteran. Saying dead veterans = more $ for some mythical employees is dishonorable to every vet and insulting to civil servants.
Your ignorance of the depths and severity of the VA scandal are typical of your kind.
I never said “there's a bounty on the head of every veteran in this country”. That is your lie.
Why do the liberals have to misrepresent what someone else says and outright lie to defend the corrupt and failed Obama presidency?“I WON'T STAND BY AND READ YOUR LIBELOUS SOUND BITES AND KEEP SILENT.” Yes, you will keep lying and ignoring the facts to placate your ideology.
Fact: for some federal employees of the VA, a dead veteran is money in their pockets.
OK, now you're editing. A step forward. Good boy. You're not libeling all VA employees, but "some."
I don't know what my kind is. I don't know you. You don't know me.
I have no agenda re the VA scandal - no ideology, no side. Corruption has been exposed (as it has been throughout medical military history dating back to the Civil War) and will be handled in due course, possibly by the military justice system. There is precedent.
I AM NOT A LIAR. I SUGGEST YOU RETHINK YOUR CHOICE OF WORDS, MR. MULE. No apology necessary. Just stop using that odious phrase where veterans and their families can see it and be stung by your crass words.
DONE.
Your ignorance of the depths and severity of the VA scandal are typical of your kind.
I never said “there's a bounty on the head of every veteran in this country”. That is your lie.
Why do the liberals have to misrepresent what someone else says and outright lie to defend the corrupt and failed Obama presidency?“I WON'T STAND BY AND READ YOUR LIBELOUS SOUND BITES AND KEEP SILENT.” Yes, you will keep lying and ignoring the facts to placate your ideology.
Fact: for some federal employees of the VA, a dead veteran is money in their pockets.
OK, now you're editing. A step forward. Good boy. You're not libeling all VA employees, but "some."
I don't know what my kind is. I don't know you. You don't know me.
I have no agenda re the VA scandal - no ideology, no side. Corruption has been exposed (as it has been throughout medical military history dating back to the Civil War) and will be handled in due course, possibly by the military justice system. There is precedent.I AM NOT A LIAR. I SUGGEST YOU RETHINK YOUR CHOICE OF WORDS, MR. MULE. No apology necessary. Just stop using that odious phrase where veterans and their families can see it and be stung by your crass words.
DONE.
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No editing done. The fact remains that federal employees did destroy healthcare applications by veterans delaying their care and falsified data in order to fraudulently get bonuses and this began during the Obama administration.
The Obama administration is actively blocking the investigation.
I know veterans families and their heartbreak that the commander-in-chief had to be dragged to the TV cameras and speak to the nation of what was going on in his administration then obstructed any investigation. There are hundreds of law-suits filed by the families of veterans and vet’s organizations against the VA the Obama administration is using the tax-payers money to fight against the veteran’s families. The Obama administration killed their loved ones and then spits on their families.
If you don’t like what you call my “odious phrase” it is too bad son. It is still a fact.
BTW - the delays in providing healthcare to our veterans continues and many of the lists are getting longer.
