here is a link from facebook....

ISIS is Saddam's troops who surrender and didn't get killed. They were always there. Then many got training from us and resupplied their arsenals of weapons.

There are two types of Muslims and they hate each other. Always will. And they play all of us and if they are going to lose then they surrender and just start all over. Will never end regardless of which country.

18 out of 19 of the 9/11 bastards are from Saudi............so we should attack Afghanistan. Some F'N logic there. Saudi funds these terrorist pricks...........but they are our allies.

Sure they are.

The whole thing is a game of Risk and no one gives a shit about troops or civilians.

Funny how we bomb for months. France has a terror attack and then goes out and in one day hits many enemy targets and some of their oil supply. In one day! So for all the Intelligence, Skill and Manpower, we could not do this in months of bombing?

It is all bullsh*t.

Give me the launch codes.

With regard to Syria, we were sending weapons and support to anti-Assad forced starting a few years ago. Why? I know "we don't like Assad" but why?

Then Assad started beating the guys we were backing. Then there was a Sarin gas incident and we were going to go to war with Syria because of this. Opposition to sending troops into Syria was so overwhelming that this was not done. In the years since, sarin gas has barely been discussed and does not seem to be the vital issue that urgently required us to send in troops anymore. Why?

- Assad is and has been a big supporter of terrorism. It was well known he was using chemical weapons against his own people aka his opposition. After a particularly mass killing Obama drew a red-line on the use of chemical weapons against the civilians. Assad, pulls a in-your-face to Obama and continued to kill using chemical weapons.

- Obama announced that The U.S. and Russia would “seize” Assad’s chemical weapons. A navy ship was dispatched to collect and test samples of the chemical weapons. When it was determined that the chemical signatures matched exactly those of Saddam Hussein’s WMD, Obama stopped the program because that proved that the left’s “there were no WMDs in Iraq” was a lie.

- There was opposition to sending troops to Syria on the left and that fit Obama’s agenda. Conservatives supported stopping the mass killing of civilians.

- Assad continued to use barrel-bombing the civilian population but the mainstream media does not report news that shows Obama’s weakness.

- On the troops question that is the left’s political rhetoric against the GOP. The U.S. does have the air power to do the bulk of the mission but Obama simply does not have the will to stop the terrorism.

A number of the terrorist groups we were giving weapons and support to somehow turned out to be ISIS which then went and took control of a large swath of Iraq. These guys have a boatload of US weapons. Why?

- Many of the U.S. weapons ISIS has control of are those Obama left behind when he cut and ran from Iraq. Others are those air-dropped in supposedly intended for the Syrian Free Army (Assad’s opposition) but because of weak intelligence ISIS got them.

ISIS, apparently, does millions of dollars in oil sales to fund its operations. We know this and have the most sophisticated satellite and intelligence apparatus in human history trained on these oil fields and refineries and yet for the past two years we haven't been able to stop ISIS's oil production or stop people from buying this oil. Why?

- Because Obama has such stringent rules of engagement the U.S. military is precluded from being effective. After Paris, The U.S. finally shared intelligence with The French on ISIS’s command and control positions and oil transport. The French hit them hard. The U.S. military knew where these ISIS assets were but Obama refused to allow them to strike.
We hear about all the "broad coalitions" the US builds any time we want to invade and neutralize some threat in the middle east yet we turned down Russia's offer to cooperate in eradicating ISIS. Why?

- Obama’s claim of "broad coalitions" does not exist. It is nothing more that Obama trying to sound competent.

Regarding the above it seems to me we turned down Russia's help in eradicating ISIS because they would be bombing Syrian rebels and we want the rebels to win. What about ISIS though? I thought this was about ISIS? Russia could at least coordinate in shutting down ISIS oil production and eradicating them in Iraq. Still we don't want their help. Why?

- The fact that you ask the question should answer your question. The Obama administration is doing the very least it can do and trying to run out the clock.

Most of ISIS's land, oil production and bases of operations is Irag and we are sending more "advisors" and special forces in to Syria. Why?

- Because of the world’s pressure on Obama to get in the game. Obama seems to want to “appear” he is doing something.

For the first time Obama is actually allowing U.S. troops to fight according to his Sec. of Defense in his testimony yesterday. This is making mainstream media reporting. Missing from the left’s news is that sitting next to Obama’s Sec. of Defense yesterday was our latest Chairman of The Joint Chiefs. General Dunford. The Chairman was asked directly if ISIS was contained. He responded “no”.

Obama will simply not acknowledge that what he has done to date against terrorism is not working, the fact that ISIS is not contained and the fact that his foreign policy is an abject failure.

Appearances seem to matter more. Tic tock, tic tock.

The Commander in Chief has the capability to destroy ISIS, just not the will.

Tic tock, tic tock.

A number of the terrorist groups we were giving weapons and support to somehow turned out to be ISIS

Original weapons we're leftover after US and others pulled out of Iraq, now Russia and China are supplying them with big mofo weapons and Toyota pickups.

ISIS is Saddam's troops who surrender and didn't get killed. They were always there. Then many got training from us and resupplied their arsenals of weapons.

There are two types of Muslims and they hate each other. Always will. And they play all of us and if they are going to lose then they surrender and just start all over. Will never end regardless of which country.

18 out of 19 of the 9/11 bastards are from Saudi............so we should attack Afghanistan. Some F'N logic there. Saudi funds these terrorist pricks...........but they are our allies.

Sure they are.

The whole thing is a game of Risk and no one gives a shit about troops or civilians.

Funny how we bomb for months. France has a terror attack and then goes out and in one day hits many enemy targets and some of their oil supply. In one day! So for all the Intelligence, Skill and Manpower, we could not do this in months of bombing?

It is all bullsh*t.

Give me the launch codes.

The Saudis are our allies, that's why they don't worry about anyone wanting to fly planes into their buildings. I actually believed we were fighting Isis till I saw a video of a convoy with at least 300 trucks in it (the usual pickup trucks with weapons mounted and armed fighters in it) and a Blackhawk helicopter that flew parallel to them and was not interested. The jig is up!

https://www.yahoo.com/travel/saudi-tower-184530075.html

[Edited on 12/2/2015 by gina]

With regard to Syria, we were sending weapons and support to anti-Assad forced starting a few years ago. Why? I know "we don't like Assad" but why?

Then Assad started beating the guys we were backing. Then there was a Sarin gas incident and we were going to go to war with Syria because of this. Opposition to sending troops into Syria was so overwhelming that this was not done. In the years since, sarin gas has barely been discussed and does not seem to be the vital issue that urgently required us to send in troops anymore. Why?

- Assad is and has been a big supporter of terrorism. It was well known he was using chemical weapons against his own people aka his opposition. After a particularly mass killing Obama drew a red-line on the use of chemical weapons against the civilians. Assad, pulls a in-your-face to Obama and continued to kill using chemical weapons.

- Obama announced that The U.S. and Russia would “seize” Assad’s chemical weapons. A navy ship was dispatched to collect and test samples of the chemical weapons. When it was determined that the chemical signatures matched exactly those of Saddam Hussein’s WMD, Obama stopped the program because that proved that the left’s “there were no WMDs in Iraq” was a lie.

- There was opposition to sending troops to Syria on the left and that fit Obama’s agenda. Conservatives supported stopping the mass killing of civilians.

- Assad continued to use barrel-bombing the civilian population but the mainstream media does not report news that shows Obama’s weakness.

- On the troops question that is the left’s political rhetoric against the GOP. The U.S. does have the air power to do the bulk of the mission but Obama simply does not have the will to stop the terrorism.

A number of the terrorist groups we were giving weapons and support to somehow turned out to be ISIS which then went and took control of a large swath of Iraq. These guys have a boatload of US weapons. Why?

- Many of the U.S. weapons ISIS has control of are those Obama left behind when he cut and ran from Iraq. Others are those air-dropped in supposedly intended for the Syrian Free Army (Assad’s opposition) but because of weak intelligence ISIS got them.

ISIS, apparently, does millions of dollars in oil sales to fund its operations. We know this and have the most sophisticated satellite and intelligence apparatus in human history trained on these oil fields and refineries and yet for the past two years we haven't been able to stop ISIS's oil production or stop people from buying this oil. Why?

- Because Obama has such stringent rules of engagement the U.S. military is precluded from being effective. After Paris, The U.S. finally shared intelligence with The French on ISIS’s command and control positions and oil transport. The French hit them hard. The U.S. military knew where these ISIS assets were but Obama refused to allow them to strike.
We hear about all the "broad coalitions" the US builds any time we want to invade and neutralize some threat in the middle east yet we turned down Russia's offer to cooperate in eradicating ISIS. Why?

- Obama’s claim of "broad coalitions" does not exist. It is nothing more that Obama trying to sound competent.

Regarding the above it seems to me we turned down Russia's help in eradicating ISIS because they would be bombing Syrian rebels and we want the rebels to win. What about ISIS though? I thought this was about ISIS? Russia could at least coordinate in shutting down ISIS oil production and eradicating them in Iraq. Still we don't want their help. Why?

- The fact that you ask the question should answer your question. The Obama administration is doing the very least it can do and trying to run out the clock.

Most of ISIS's land, oil production and bases of operations is Irag and we are sending more "advisors" and special forces in to Syria. Why?

- Because of the world’s pressure on Obama to get in the game. Obama seems to want to “appear” he is doing something.

For the first time Obama is actually allowing U.S. troops to fight according to his Sec. of Defense in his testimony yesterday. This is making mainstream media reporting. Missing from the left’s news is that sitting next to Obama’s Sec. of Defense yesterday was our latest Chairman of The Joint Chiefs. General Dunford. The Chairman was asked directly if ISIS was contained. He responded “no”.

Obama will simply not acknowledge that what he has done to date against terrorism is not working, the fact that ISIS is not contained and the fact that his foreign policy is an abject failure.

Appearances seem to matter more. Tic tock, tic tock.

The Commander in Chief has the capability to destroy ISIS, just not the will.

Tic tock, tic tock.

Well you can't run proxy wars without reliable insurgents, and they are reliable, they show up and shoot!

There are two types of Muslims and they hate each other. Always will. And they play all of us and if they are going to lose then they surrender and just start all over. Will never end regardless of which country.

exactly

whatever happens, whoever we support, whatever we do, there will always be more violence and killing.

I'm not saying that we should stand by and do nothing. By comparison, Iraq was an "easy" target, and even though we got rid of Hussein the aftermath was a disaster from day 1. Going in and taking over a country just doesn't work. It's difficult to know which rebel group is trustworthy and worth supporting and imo we can't trust the Russians.
Even if we could eradicate all of ISIS, there will soon be other extremists (no doubt funded from a multitude of countries, especially Saudi Arabia) who's main goal is to kill other Arabs and destroy the west.

It's kind of like a big, deadly game of wac - a - mole

Maybe one day people like Muleman will figure out that it has nothing to do with the American left or right. The rest of the world doesn't give a crap especially the terrorists and those that hate the USA. They hate all of you regardless of what party you follow. In fact, they love it when you are divided and fighting amongst yourselves.

To blame Obama is comical. It was during Bush's run that you trained and armed many members of ISIS. Obama's run just continued what was already started.

Your internal politics mean nothing to the world concerning these issues and means little to your own military. You greatly over estimate how much other nations care. A divided US is a blessing for terrorists as it is proof that they are helping to accomplish their goals.

I remember a time not along ago that it would be accepted that a certain party won. Not all Americans were thrilled but they stood side by side and supported that Leader till the next election. You guys need to be united again and not let sensational media (CNN, FOX , MSNBC etc), social media and internet trolls continue to divide you.

Guys like Muleman just bring you down. Americans are proud and United and people like him do not fit. He has no pride or faith in your nation at all. Tiny minority that types bullsh*t all day long.

Left or Right are not the enemy, the terrorists are. People like Muleman that can not see that obvious truth are terrorists/traitors to a lesser degree.

Maybe one day people like Muleman will figure out that it has nothing to do with the American left or right. The rest of the world doesn't give a crap especially the terrorists and those that hate the USA. They hate all of you regardless of what party you follow. In fact, they love it when you are divided and fighting amongst yourselves.

To blame Obama is comical. It was during Bush's run that you trained and armed many members of ISIS. Obama's run just continued what was already started.

Your internal politics mean nothing to the world concerning these issues and means little to your own military. You greatly over estimate how much other nations care. A divided US is a blessing for terrorists as it is proof that they are helping to accomplish their goals.

I remember a time not along ago that it would be accepted that a certain party won. Not all Americans were thrilled but they stood side by side and supported that Leader till the next election. You guys need to be united again and not let sensational media (CNN, FOX , MSNBC etc), social media and internet trolls continue to divide you.

Guys like Muleman just bring you down. Americans are proud and United and people like him do not fit. He has no pride or faith in your nation at all. Tiny minority that types bullsh*t all day long.

Left or Right are not the enemy, the terrorists are. People like Muleman that can not see that obvious truth are terrorists/traitors to a lesser degree.

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ignoring the truth just gets more people killed.

Obama is weak and ISIS was born as a result of his cutting and running from Iraq. During Obama's term ISIS has grown exponentially and is killing people at will.

You can choose to defeat evil or succumb to it. Choose while you still can.

Hate to sound like an ugly American; but it seems that toppling dictators in the middle east (who seem mostly concerned with making money and enslaving their own people) and replacing them doesn't work out well for us as (as the new radicals seem to be more concerned with world domination.)

Hate to sound like an ugly American; but it seems that toppling dictators in the middle east (who seem mostly concerned with making money and enslaving their own people) and replacing them doesn't work out well for us as (as the new radicals seem to be more concerned with world domination.)

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If we were allowed to keep terrorists out of our country this would be a far lesser problem. However.

The toppling of dictators thing has been going on for centuries and nobody has got it right yet.
Suggestions are welcome.

Maybe one day people like Muleman will figure out that it has nothing to do with the American left or right. The rest of the world doesn't give a crap especially the terrorists and those that hate the USA. They hate all of you regardless of what party you follow. In fact, they love it when you are divided and fighting amongst yourselves.

To blame Obama is comical. It was during Bush's run that you trained and armed many members of ISIS. Obama's run just continued what was already started.

Your internal politics mean nothing to the world concerning these issues and means little to your own military. You greatly over estimate how much other nations care. A divided US is a blessing for terrorists as it is proof that they are helping to accomplish their goals.

I remember a time not along ago that it would be accepted that a certain party won. Not all Americans were thrilled but they stood side by side and supported that Leader till the next election. You guys need to be united again and not let sensational media (CNN, FOX , MSNBC etc), social media and internet trolls continue to divide you.

Guys like Muleman just bring you down. Americans are proud and United and people like him do not fit. He has no pride or faith in your nation at all. Tiny minority that types bullsh*t all day long.

Left or Right are not the enemy, the terrorists are. People like Muleman that can not see that obvious truth are terrorists/traitors to a lesser degree.

______________________________________________________________________

ignoring the truth just gets more people killed.

Obama is weak and ISIS was born as a result of his cutting and running from Iraq. During Obama's term ISIS has grown exponentially and is killing people at will.

You can choose to defeat evil or succumb to it. Choose while you still can.

ISIS was formed from Saddam's troops which surrendered without fighting. They are the same people from before Bush went in.

It has nothing to do with Obama or Bush. The fact that you waste time on an imaginary issue is just proof that you don't have a clue.

You are fighting the wrong enemy and they are American. Traitor.

Maybe one day people like Muleman will figure out that it has nothing to do with the American left or right. The rest of the world doesn't give a crap especially the terrorists and those that hate the USA. They hate all of you regardless of what party you follow. In fact, they love it when you are divided and fighting amongst yourselves.

To blame Obama is comical. It was during Bush's run that you trained and armed many members of ISIS. Obama's run just continued what was already started.

Your internal politics mean nothing to the world concerning these issues and means little to your own military. You greatly over estimate how much other nations care. A divided US is a blessing for terrorists as it is proof that they are helping to accomplish their goals.

I remember a time not along ago that it would be accepted that a certain party won. Not all Americans were thrilled but they stood side by side and supported that Leader till the next election. You guys need to be united again and not let sensational media (CNN, FOX , MSNBC etc), social media and internet trolls continue to divide you.

Guys like Muleman just bring you down. Americans are proud and United and people like him do not fit. He has no pride or faith in your nation at all. Tiny minority that types bullsh*t all day long.

Left or Right are not the enemy, the terrorists are. People like Muleman that can not see that obvious truth are terrorists/traitors to a lesser degree.

______________________________________________________________________

ignoring the truth just gets more people killed.

Obama is weak and ISIS was born as a result of his cutting and running from Iraq. During Obama's term ISIS has grown exponentially and is killing people at will.

You can choose to defeat evil or succumb to it. Choose while you still can.

ISIS was formed from Saddam's troops which surrendered without fighting. They are the same people from before Bush went in.

It has nothing to do with Obama or Bush. The fact that you waste time on an imaginary issue is just proof that you don't have a clue.

You are fighting the wrong enemy and they are American. Traitor.

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And you keep demonstrating ignorance of the facts but you do have your political agenda and illogical need to support Obama the failure.

Oh well.

Guys like Muleman just bring you down.

Only if you listen to 'em...

I guess I could have dispensed with the long-winded sarcasm.

The only reason the US is in Syria and has not stopped ISIS is because it serves their push for complete global hegemony.

It has become a disgraceful comedy listening to US leaders, right and left, try to give legitimate reasons to all the military and proxy actions the US is taking in the middle east and around the world.

Syria is my favorite. Not one person anywhere thinks the US is there for any reason other than to get rid of Assad and destabilize Syria the way we have Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. Hearing about how we need to bomb ISIS but not the "good rebels"! and "Assad supports terrorism!" and "We must defeat ISIS!...but not with Russian help!" all the time its hard to believe how deluded these people are in thinking they are fooling anyone. I guess that's why they are talking about monitoring the internet and banning posts by "non-violent extremists!" who spread "conspiracy theories!" about government wrong-doing.

I guess I could have dispensed with the long-winded sarcasm.

The only reason the US is in Syria and has not stopped ISIS is because it serves their push for complete global hegemony.

It has become a disgraceful comedy listening to US leaders, right and left, try to give legitimate reasons to all the military and proxy actions the US is taking in the middle east and around the world.

Syria is my favorite. Not one person anywhere thinks the US is there for any reason other than to get rid of Assad and destabilize Syria the way we have Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. Hearing about how we need to bomb ISIS but not the "good rebels"! and "Assad supports terrorism!" and "We must defeat ISIS!...but not with Russian help!" all the time its hard to believe how deluded these people are in thinking they are fooling anyone. I guess that's why they are talking about monitoring the internet and banning posts by "non-violent extremists!" who spread "conspiracy theories!" about government wrong-doing.

I am pretty sure that Syria was destabilized long before we were involved. Countries that have civil wars are seldom stable.

Guys like Muleman just bring you down.

Only if you listen to 'em...

The simplest way to explain the rise of ISIS is too refer to it as "blow back" from our second invasion of Iraq. By toppling Sadam we basically destroyed the relative stability the British and French created immediately following WWI wherein they created the "artificial" nation called Iraq.

For many years the decades long hatred between the Shites and Sunnis was sort of held at bay because of Sadam Hussein. As Colin Powell so infamously predicted, once we destroyed Iraq, we owned the consequences of that destruction. How right he was...

911 is also referred to by some as 'blow back." In that instance, blow back from our continued massive military presence in the Middle East well before 2001. I blame that presence on our military/industrial/congressional complex and its never ending need to sustain itself at any cost. Also, to a lesser extent, our insatiable thirst for oil.

[Edited on 12/2/2015 by Chain]

The simplest way to explain the rise of ISIS is too refer to it as "blow back" from our second invasion of Iraq. By toppling Sadam we basically destroyed the relative stability the British and French created immediately following WWI wherein they created the "artificial" nation called Iraq.

For many years the decades long hatred between the Shites and Sunnis was sort of held at bay because of Sadam Hussein. As Colin Powell so infamously predicted, once we destroyed Iraq, we owned the consequences of that destruction. How right he was...

911 is also referred to by some as 'blow back." In that instance, blow back from our continued massive military presence in the Middle East well before 2001. I blame that presence on our military/industrial/congressional complex and its never ending need to sustain itself at any cost. Also, to a lesser extent, our insatiable thirst for oil.

[Edited on 12/2/2015 by Chain]

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"relative stability"

I believe The Kurds and Sunnis would disagree with you.

I still hear that echo....

I still hear that echo....

That's not 'hotel echo' since we don't have any troops on the ground. How pathetic it s that we have digressed to running wars where men on the ground need planes flying overhead shooting at the other side from above to be able to run successful wars. There's no dignity in the wars anymore. We don't protect our borders we just go to other countries for financial and political gains and in some cases justify our going there with lies (Iraq has weapons of mass destruction - even if they did, they never told us they were going to use them on us or anyone else, yet we justified going to war on them).

[Edited on 12/3/2015 by gina]

Maybe one day people like Muleman will figure out that it has nothing to do with the American left or right. The rest of the world doesn't give a crap especially the terrorists and those that hate the USA. They hate all of you regardless of what party you follow. In fact, they love it when you are divided and fighting amongst yourselves.

To blame Obama is comical. It was during Bush's run that you trained and armed many members of ISIS. Obama's run just continued what was already started.

Your internal politics mean nothing to the world concerning these issues and means little to your own military. You greatly over estimate how much other nations care. A divided US is a blessing for terrorists as it is proof that they are helping to accomplish their goals.

I remember a time not along ago that it would be accepted that a certain party won. Not all Americans were thrilled but they stood side by side and supported that Leader till the next election. You guys need to be united again and not let sensational media (CNN, FOX , MSNBC etc), social media and internet trolls continue to divide you.

Guys like Muleman just bring you down. Americans are proud and United and people like him do not fit. He has no pride or faith in your nation at all. Tiny minority that types bullsh*t all day long.

Left or Right are not the enemy, the terrorists are. People like Muleman that can not see that obvious truth are terrorists/traitors to a lesser degree.

______________________________________________________________________

ignoring the truth just gets more people killed.

Obama is weak and ISIS was born as a result of his cutting and running from Iraq. During Obama's term ISIS has grown exponentially and is killing people at will.

You can choose to defeat evil or succumb to it. Choose while you still can.

ISIS was formed from Saddam's troops which surrendered without fighting. They are the same people from before Bush went in.

It has nothing to do with Obama or Bush. The fact that you waste time on an imaginary issue is just proof that you don't have a clue.

You are fighting the wrong enemy and they are American. Traitor.

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And you keep demonstrating ignorance of the facts but you do have your political agenda and illogical need to support Obama the failure.

Oh well.

Are you really this dumb? I don't support any US Party as I am Canadian. I personally think all of your politicians (and ours) are full of sh*t. If I had any sort of political agenda it would be to make you guys shut the f*ck up about left and right.

Guys like you have no facts and will never point out how others facts are wrong. All you do is copy and paste some other morons writing and believe you proved something. I never even read your crap nor does anyone else here but you are too dumb to figure that out. But please copy and paste away.

You think your enemies are Americans which is pretty pathetic and as unpatriotic as can be. You should just go join ISIS. Traitor.

Guys like Muleman just bring you down.

Only if you listen to 'em...

😛 True enough.

These types must piss you off though. It bugs me how bad of an excuse for an American they are. Live it one of the greatest countries in the world and just sit bitching and complaining. Lacking the intelligence to grasp any of the issues but rambling endlessly anyway. Thank God they are a tiny minority and exist mostly on the internet.

Maybe one day people like Muleman will figure out that it has nothing to do with the American left or right. The rest of the world doesn't give a crap especially the terrorists and those that hate the USA. They hate all of you regardless of what party you follow.

It's bigger than that. ISIS hates western culture. All of it. The US is just one of the countries it's trying to annihilate.

[Edited on 12/3/2015 by cyclone88]

It is true, Isis does hate western culture because our culture is not compliant with Sharia. Our culture permits mixing of the sexes which leads to immorality in some cases. Our culture puts pleasing the people as a priority rather than living in accordance with God's laws (ie. homosexuality was forbidden to the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims), a financial system based on usury (interest rates that profit the lender), etc. Their version of Islam may not be what God intended mankind to live like, stoning was actually started by the Jews, in the laws God gave to Moses he did not mention stoning people.

Here's some interesting ideas on what caused Isis to rise up.

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/3/9837782/isis-one-sentence

1) After the end of British, French, and Ottoman imperial rule in the early to mid-20th century, Arab leaders failed to establish anything like stable democratic societies. Instead, they imposed unpopular and brutal military dictatorships that prevented any real sense of national unity developing and squandered the region's economic potential.

2) The Middle East's progressive and democratic parties failed, due to a combination of incompetence and interference, to put together a viable alternative to these regimes.

3) IDENTITY -This created a large population of people in the Middle East who were disenfranchised and looking for a new form of politics. During and after the Cold War, Islamism rose to fill that void: It appealed to an identity and a set of values that many in the Middle East shared and understood. This was part of a global revival of different forms of identity politics.

4) Some governments — like Saudi Arabia's quasi-monarchy, quasi-theocracy — had an interest in helping spreading a fairly hard-line version of Islam, as it shored up domestic legitimacy. Radical Islamism also got a boost from foreign powers, as things like US support for Iran's brutal shah and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan created understandable resentment that radicals were well-positioned to support.

5) More recently, the 2003 US invasion of Iraq and the Arab Spring threw the Middle East's normal geopolitical order into chaos, creating a vacuum in which sectarianism (encouraged by a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia) became a powerful force. ISIS flourished in this kind of religiously polarized chaos, bringing us to the point we're at today.

Think about it, when your govt. doesn't provide for it's people, you look for governance that will. With all the wealth in Saudi Arabia, they still have slums, why? Why can't they create housing and programs that care for those who have less than they do? Charity is a big requirement in Islam, but they do not eliminate poverty. Why not? Why don't they care enough to do that? Why doesn't the US have national FREE healthcare for it's citizens, other countries do it. Cuba provides housing for all it's citizens. Some countries have found ways to answer the needs of their citizens and the countries who have not will have people who want better governance.

Maybe one day people like Muleman will figure out that it has nothing to do with the American left or right. The rest of the world doesn't give a crap especially the terrorists and those that hate the USA. They hate all of you regardless of what party you follow. In fact, they love it when you are divided and fighting amongst yourselves.

To blame Obama is comical. It was during Bush's run that you trained and armed many members of ISIS. Obama's run just continued what was already started.

Your internal politics mean nothing to the world concerning these issues and means little to your own military. You greatly over estimate how much other nations care. A divided US is a blessing for terrorists as it is proof that they are helping to accomplish their goals.

I remember a time not along ago that it would be accepted that a certain party won. Not all Americans were thrilled but they stood side by side and supported that Leader till the next election. You guys need to be united again and not let sensational media (CNN, FOX , MSNBC etc), social media and internet trolls continue to divide you.

Guys like Muleman just bring you down. Americans are proud and United and people like him do not fit. He has no pride or faith in your nation at all. Tiny minority that types bullsh*t all day long.

Left or Right are not the enemy, the terrorists are. People like Muleman that can not see that obvious truth are terrorists/traitors to a lesser degree.

______________________________________________________________________

ignoring the truth just gets more people killed.

Obama is weak and ISIS was born as a result of his cutting and running from Iraq. During Obama's term ISIS has grown exponentially and is killing people at will.

You can choose to defeat evil or succumb to it. Choose while you still can.

ISIS was formed from Saddam's troops which surrendered without fighting. They are the same people from before Bush went in.

It has nothing to do with Obama or Bush. The fact that you waste time on an imaginary issue is just proof that you don't have a clue.

You are fighting the wrong enemy and they are American. Traitor.

That's not true. Isis was born from the embers of "AL QUaeda in Iraq" the entity we succesfully fought during the insurgency in Iraq. Hussein's troops were not fervently religious as Isis is. Isis is a metastisation of Al Quaeda. It's Al Quadea 2.0.

The simplest way to explain the rise of ISIS is too refer to it as "blow back" from our second invasion of Iraq. By toppling Sadam we basically destroyed the relative stability the British and French created immediately following WWI wherein they created the "artificial" nation called Iraq.

For many years the decades long hatred between the Shites and Sunnis was sort of held at bay because of Sadam Hussein. As Colin Powell so infamously predicted, once we destroyed Iraq, we owned the consequences of that destruction. How right he was...

911 is also referred to by some as 'blow back." In that instance, blow back from our continued massive military presence in the Middle East well before 2001. I blame that presence on our military/industrial/congressional complex and its never ending need to sustain itself at any cost. Also, to a lesser extent, our insatiable thirst for oil.

[Edited on 12/2/2015 by Chain]

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"relative stability"

I believe The Kurds and Sunnis would disagree with you.

Huessein murdered hundreds of thousands of Kurds and Shia and would have killed many more had we not enforced a no-fly zone over Iraq for 13 years.

But why is it our business to go all over the Middle East and South Central Asia (Afghanistan, Pakistan) and do those things? AND we came up with the Iraqi oil that was promptly managed by us and foreign partner investors. Just a convenient perk of war?

When Bashar al Assad gassed people in Syria, we did not go in and bomb him then, if we were truly these people who felt a need to save other human life, we would have gone in then, we didn't.

If we cared about human rights we would have assassinated Islam Karimov long ago he murders his own citizens putting them in big vats of boiling water and cooking them to death and we know about it and don't care or do anything about it.

http://asianhistory.about.com/od/profilesofasianleaders/p/ProfileKarimov.htm

We only get involved in certain atrocities at a time when it is politically advantageous to do so.