trump silent during the financial crisis roundtable
kaisitch is probably gotten 50% more speaking time than the next closest candidate
[Edited on 11/11/2015 by OriginalGoober]
I'm not watching the debate anymore because this thread is much better.
rubio....agrees is a great question about hillary's background.......usa is great.....we are (rascist)?....we try and keep people from improving.....reasons i think we do it.....we will change that
cruz....hillary has experience but she has made us worse......cronyism....i will veto lots of stuff
trump......corporate inversion......leaving to other countries......they hide their money (from taxes) and can't get it back in.....i will give them a break.....
Hilary sucks lightening round
paul.....repeal energy regulations....repeal clean something act......climate change is weird........i want everything.......but stopping carbon based energy is bad
bush......its great that the energy companies are changing.....not because they were forced to but because they are nice guys
Jeb! wades into climate change but didn't impress
closing statements can stand on their own.
i hope everyone enjoyed my commentary whether you agree or not. i have biases as everyone does so yes....this is my commentary. i hope you enjoyed it. tear me down or agree if you like, in general i don't get into some of the debates because they tend to get silly. if something needs to be commented upon i will. i hope that everyone will respect, to a point, others opinions. i didn't do this to change or alter anyones opinion. those are your own.
have a great day and remember, your opinion is your own.....an intelligent argument is what will help you win a discussion.
Jeb! = C
Rand = C-
Carly = C -
Kaisich= B+
Cruz= B-
Marco= B-
Carson= C
Trump= C
No candidate really impressed or really fought for their principles. Low energy. The lower tier candidates seemed to be much more engaged.
Jeb! = C
Rand = C-
Carly = C -
Kaisich= B+
Cruz= B-
Marco= B-
Carson= C
Trump= CNo candidate really impressed or really fought for their principles. Low energy. The lower tier candidates seemed to be much more engaged.
Would have to agree pretty much with your grades. I thought Kaisich came off as the most practical & presidential. Rubio, Cruz, and Paul offered detail & ideas and had some good interplay. Missing in the discussion between those 3 was the good doctor - not sure whether by design or because he was out of his element in the details of the discussion. I'm not sure what people see in Carson beyond his "impeccable character". He seems lost on stage and totally flubbed foreign policy question. He seems to add little to the discussion in general.
A HUGE slow clap and hearty handshake to LH for one of the most entertaining threads posted in the WP in quite some time.
Bravo, sir! :D:D:D:D:D:D
A HUGE slow clap and hearty handshake to LH for one of the most entertaining threads posted in the WP in quite some time.
Bravo, sir! :D:D:D:D:D:D
+1 
GOP debate was an insult to knowledge, common sense
By Michael A. Cohen November 11, 2015
Tuesday night was the fourth of what feels like 4,000 GOP presidential debates — and like the previous get-togethers of GOP candidates, this one was also an insult to knowledge and common sense. Here’s my roundup:
Ben Carson . . . I just can’t
I dare you to go back and read his answers from the debate and find any semblance of coherence or a keen grasp of major public policy issues. Carson might be a brilliant doctor, but he doesn’t have the basic skills, intelligence, or qualifications needed to be president. What’s worse is that he is completely unaware of it. That about a quarter of Republicans are currently supporting him for president is pretty much everything you need to know about the state of intellectual discourse in the modern Republican Party.
Republicans do not care about the working class
There was a stunning exchange when Fox Business anchor Neil Cavuto asked several candidates if they supported increasing the minimum wage to $15. Donald Trump responded (and I’m not making this up) that wages in the United States are “too high.” The idea that workers are paid too much money — and should be paid less — is not something you normally hear from a politician. Yet, amazingly, Carson followed up by agreeing with Trump and Marco Rubio chimed in and called the minimum wage a “disaster.”
To a remarkable degree Republicans simply don’t care about the plight of the working class — they want to see them paid less money, they want to take away access to health care, and they want to cut regulations to benefit business and balance the budget (two ideas that are usually not a winning proposition for workers). The way GOP candidates do talk about delivering a “helping hand” is through cutting taxes, a policy prescription that overwhelmingly benefits the wealthy and provides meager benefit to those at the bottom of the economic ladder. If you get past the platitudes and hosannas to the American dream what you have is an economic ideology that would be a complete disaster for American workers. We should really be talking more about this.
Donald Trump is mean . . . but probably won
Trump was his usual blustery self, but one exchange was particularly remarkable. In explaining his plans to deport millions of undocumented immigrants he praised a program initiated by Dwight Eisenhower to deal with illegal Mexican immigrants. According to Trump, Ike “moved a million and a half illegal immigrants out of this country, moved them just beyond the border. They came back. Moved them again, beyond the border, they came back. Didn’t like it. Moved them way south. They never came back. Dwight Eisenhower. You don’t get nicer, you don’t get friendlier.”
You know the name of that program? Operation Wetback — and it’s generally considered one of the cruelest moments in recent American history.
In the foreign policy discussion, Trump reiterated his claims that American leaders are stupid, that foreign countries are sneaky (China is trying to get through America’s “back door” and totally take advantage of everyone) and that we should have taken Iraq’s oil and given the proceeds to American veterans.
Overall, Trump was mean, obnoxious, and rude to his fellow candidates. He’ll probably see a boost in his poll numbers.
Marco Rubio only talks in platitudes . . . it’s grating
Senator Marco Rubio of Florida has become the darling of the pundit class and the man many assume will be the GOP nominee. I don’t get it. His answer to every question is to return to his campaign stump speech and deliver platitude after platitude. According to Rubio, we need an economy for the “21st century,” we need to make the “American Dream” real, “the world is changing faster than ever, and it is disruptive” being a parent is the most important job in the world . . . and the list of meaningless banalities goes on.
When pushed by Rand Paul as to how he can propose a massive tax cut while also spending billions more on defense, Rubio retreated to the hoariest of campaign trail declarations — that “the world is a safer place when America is the strongest military power in the world.” Of course, America is already extraordinarily safe – and is already, by far, the strongest military power in the world.
At some point, Rubio needs to talk in more than generalities. His fallback into formulaic and meaningless pronouncements makes him look even more like a typical politician than he already does.
Ted Cruz, who is trodding over much of the same political ground as Rubio, also talks in platitudes, but he’s better at aiming his message to conservative voters. There’s a harder edge to what he says; a better facility at hitting conservative sweet spots — like in his constant bashing of the media. Of course, Cruz also oozes insincerity, which would make a campaign in which these two emerged as frontrunners both painful and fascinating to watch.
Jeb Bush is sad
Poor Jeb, every time he tried to assert himself by interrupting one of his fellow candidates, he got shouted down — and meekly backed away. At one point, Trump “stood up” for him and told John Kasich “you should let Jeb speak,” which only served to make Bush look more ineffectual and weak. Jeb simply doesn’t have the fire in his belly or the political chops to stand out in a group of bomb-throwers. He’s got lots of money to spend and a lot of establishment support, but it increasingly feels like he’s just playing out the string.
As for the other candidates, Rand Paul had his best debate — unfortunately it came by focusing on issues where he’s out of sync with the Republican Party. Carly Fiorina has nothing of great substance to add to these debates, and John Kasich at times seems like a reasonable, informed politician. So suffice to say, in this crowd, he has no shot.
thanks guys, I had fun doing it.
A HUGE slow clap and hearty handshake to LH for one of the most entertaining threads posted in the WP in quite some time.
Bravo, sir! :D:D:D:D:D:D
+1
+1 more.
I never heard a really concise answer to any question, most of them went off on tangents and talking points.
Especially fiorina who seems like a slightly smarter michelle bachman.
Slightly.
For mule:
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/11/factchecking-gop-economic-debate//blockquote >
He'll claim liberal media bias, I guarantee.
Donald Trump responded (and I’m not making this up) that wages in the United States are “too high.” The idea that workers are paid too much money — and should be paid less — is not something you normally hear from a politician. Yet, amazingly, Carson followed up by agreeing with Trump and Marco Rubio chimed in and called the minimum wage a “disaster.”
I didn't watch the debate (I was working late last night), but is this true? Did Trump actually say Americans make too much and did Carson Agree with it? I thought that one of the main arguments that Republicans have against Obama is that wage growth has been slow.
A HUGE slow clap and hearty handshake to LH for one of the most entertaining threads posted in the WP in quite some time.
Bravo, sir! :D:D:D:D:D:D
+1
+1 more.
I never heard a really concise answer to any question, most of them went off on tangents and talking points.
Especially fiorina who seems like a slightly smarter michelle bachman.
Slightly.
But way angrier. She really seems to be jonesin' for a shooting war with Russia.
[Edited on 11/11/2015 by gondicar]
Donald Trump responded (and I’m not making this up) that wages in the United States are “too high.” The idea that workers are paid too much money — and should be paid less — is not something you normally hear from a politician. Yet, amazingly, Carson followed up by agreeing with Trump and Marco Rubio chimed in and called the minimum wage a “disaster.”
I didn't watch the debate (I was working late last night), but is this true? Did Trump actually say Americans make too much and did Carson Agree with it? I thought that one of the main arguments that Republicans have against Obama is that wage growth has been slow.
yes he said it word for word but it was in the context of the problems with the global economy and Americas competitiveness and having mandatory minimums will hurt more than help. He added he would love to pay everyone 50.00 /hr but of course this is not part of the story.
[Edited on 11/11/2015 by OriginalGoober]
Just watched the recorded event...Phew. Hats off to the work done here thanks and good reading....
Jeb Bush just seems lost, very much like a little brother trying to follow his families lead; he should have been a high school shop teacher.....quit already. Paul, Cruz and Fiorina are no better than poor Mr. Huckabee. Carson moves like he is on life support and the Donald will be there 'til the end because of his ego and cash. That leaves Kasich & Rubio.....
A HUGE slow clap and hearty handshake to LH for one of the most entertaining threads posted in the WP in quite some time.
Bravo, sir! :D:D:D:D:D:D
+1
+1 more.
I never heard a really concise answer to any question, most of them went off on tangents and talking points.
Especially fiorina who seems like a slightly smarter michelle bachman.
Slightly.
But way angrier. She really seems to be jonesin' for a shooting war with Russia.
[Edited on 11/11/2015 by gondicar]
Yes. Not sure what's up with that. She comes across as always pi$$ed. I think she had her 2 minutes of fame after Trump trash talked her last month, and then she got a bump in the polls. Since then she's gone & is going nowhere.
I noticed last night not one question to her about her "many successes & stellar performance at HP". She did mention in so many words her business experience at running a corporation, etc. I was waiting for the panelists to follow up, but they gave her a pass. C'mon Maria, you used to be a lot more aggressive in you former job with second questions. Did they tame you down and give you stricter marching orders to play nice last night?
Donald Trump responded (and I’m not making this up) that wages in the United States are “too high.” The idea that workers are paid too much money — and should be paid less — is not something you normally hear from a politician. Yet, amazingly, Carson followed up by agreeing with Trump and Marco Rubio chimed in and called the minimum wage a “disaster.”
I didn't watch the debate (I was working late last night), but is this true? Did Trump actually say Americans make too much and did Carson Agree with it? I thought that one of the main arguments that Republicans have against Obama is that wage growth has been slow.
Yes, he said it.
The fourth Republican presidential debate kicked off with a surprisingly substantive policy question: What do you make of the rising national movement for a $15 wage?
Fox Business Network host and moderator Neil Cavuto began by noting the protests for the $15 minimum wage across the country on Tuesday, and asked Donald Trump whether he was "sympathetic to the protesters' cause."
"I can't be, Neil, and the reason I can't be is that we are a country that is being beaten on every front. Economically, militarily — there is nothing that we do now to win," Trump said. "We don't win anymore. Our taxes are too high, wages too high — we're not going to be able to compete against the world."
Trump went on to say that he didn't believe the minimum wage should be raised at all.
"I hate to say it, but we have to leave it the way it is," Trump said. "People have to go out, they have to work really hard, and they have to get into that upper stratum. But we cannot do this if we are going to compete with the rest of the world."
When candidate Ben Carson weighed in on raising the minimum wage, he claimed that raising the minimum wage always increases the unemployment rate, and even suggested that the current minimum wage was too high.
"Every time we raise the minimum wage, the number of jobless people increases," Carson said. "This is particularly a problem in the black community. Only 19.8% of black teenagers have a job, or are looking for one. That's because of those high wages. If you lower those wages, that comes down."
Then Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) entered the fray.
"If I thought that raising the minimum wage was the best way to see people increase their pay, I would be all for it. But it isn't," Rubio said. "Here's the best way to raise wages: Make America the best place in the world to start a business or expand an existing one."
That three Republican candidates rejected the idea of raising the minimum wage should surprise no one. Equally predicable were the tired myths that they peddled to justify their positions.
The idea that the U.S. will be vanquished by global competition by raising the minimum wage or that it would necessarily cause mass job losses is doubtful. The federal minimum wage hasn't been raised since 2009, and last year hundreds of economists, Nobel laureates among them, signed a letter saying that raising it from $7.25 to $10.10 would have virtually no negative effect on the employment rate and would boost growth by creating demand.
As for Rubio's point that it would be better to make the country more hospitable to launching business — that's a dodge. Business-friendliness and minimum wage laws aren't mutually exclusive, and there's nothing about, say, tax codes designed to aid the growth of small business, that require wages to be be low. The reality is that a significant portion of the small business world is supportive of a higher minimum wage. The reason? It increases productivity and decreases turnover.
Finally Carson's point on the high unemployment rate among black men is barely worth dignifying with a response. The reason they're struggling to find jobs isn't because wages are too high. It's because of structural factors: their disproportionate suffering from deindustrialization, mass incarceration, and racial discrimination.
There's a serious debate to be had about how to raise the minimum wage. This wasn't it.
C'mon Maria, you used to be a lot more aggressive in you former job with second questions. Did they tame you down and give you stricter marching orders to play nice last night?
As I noted in this thread last night, at times it seemed more like a patty cake party than a political debate. Not many tough questions at all.
So, not that this should surprise anyone but as it turns out Trump was flat out lying about being stablemates with Putin and that he "got to know him very well" before their 60 Minutes interviews that recently aired...
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/11/trump-vs-fiorina-who-knows-putin-best/
Donald Trump implied he had met Russian President Vladimir Putin in the course of taping an episode of CBS’ “60 Minutes” in which they were both interviewed — but the two men were interviewed separately, in different countries.
“I got to know him very well because we were both on ’60 Minutes,’ we were stablemates, and we did very well that night,” Trump said during the Republican debate hosted by Fox Business Network and the Wall Street Journal on Nov. 10.
The two did appear on the same “60 Minutes” episode, which aired on Sept. 27. But journalist Charlie Rose traveled to Moscow for the two-hour interview with Putin, and Trump was interviewed by Scott Pelley in Trump’s Fifth Avenue penthouse in Manhattan.
Excellent journalism. So good, in fact, that finding the guy who set up hillarys tech support would be a piece of cake. Would love to know more about him.
So, not that this should surprise anyone but as it turns out Trump was flat out lying about being stablemates with Putin and that he "got to know him very well" before their 60 Minutes interviews that recently aired...
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/11/trump-vs-fiorina-who-knows-putin-best/
Donald Trump implied he had met Russian President Vladimir Putin in the course of taping an episode of CBS’ “60 Minutes” in which they were both interviewed — but the two men were interviewed separately, in different countries.
“I got to know him very well because we were both on ’60 Minutes,’ we were stablemates, and we did very well that night,” Trump said during the Republican debate hosted by Fox Business Network and the Wall Street Journal on Nov. 10.
The two did appear on the same “60 Minutes” episode, which aired on Sept. 27. But journalist Charlie Rose traveled to Moscow for the two-hour interview with Putin, and Trump was interviewed by Scott Pelley in Trump’s Fifth Avenue penthouse in Manhattan.
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Putin is embarrassing Obama on the world stage and you are chiding Trump and Fiorina?
Just how well did Hillary Clinton's "reset" go with Putin?
Lying doesn't bother muleman. That's probably a good thing since it is what he does best.
