How do you like socialism thrown upon you...the only 2 things left out is Universal healthcare and education

Me I was happy with the system except HC and ED...

You voted because you didn't want this and now here it is in full bloom...so how do you feel about your *tRump socialism vote now

Will you send your check back when they send it to you out of protest of socialism or are you now OK with this now

Will you turn down the free test if offered to you because it's socialism

Socialism:
Police
Fire
ED k-12
Streets
Street signs
Lines on the road
Highways
The library
Social Security
Unemployment
Disability
medicare
medicad
Army
Navy
USMC
Air Force
Coast guard
National Guard
Congress
Senate
President
Their HC we pay for it and can't even have their coverage...sad

anyone else want to add to the list feel free

Great post. 100% on target. Waiting for the "yes, but...".

How do you like socialism thrown upon you...the only 2 things left out is Universal healthcare and education

Me I was happy with the system except HC and ED...

You voted because you didn't want this and now here it is in full bloom...so how do you feel about your *tRump socialism vote now

Will you send your check back when they send it to you out of protest of socialism or are you now OK with this now

Will you turn down the free test if offered to you because it's socialism

Socialism:
Police
Fire
ED k-12
Streets
Street signs
Lines on the road
Highways
The library
Social Security
Unemployment
Disability
medicare
medicad
Army
Navy
USMC
Air Force
Coast guard
National Guard
Congress
Senate
President
Their HC we pay for it and can't even have their coverage...sad

anyone else want to add to the list feel free

Your premise is flawed if you're lumping all these things together as under Trump, which is the same as saying its under Federal control.

What most people who are concerned with socialism's spread base their stance upon is the growth of Federal socialism, or the non-Constitutional growth of Federal powers. The concern can also be summed up as violations of the 10th Amendment, which is: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

So with that understanding, lets look at your list...

X - Police
X - Fire
X - ED k-12
X - Streets
X - Street signs
X - Lines on the road
X - Highways
X - The library
Social Security
X - Unemployment
X - Disability
medicare
medicad
Army
Navy
USMC
Air Force
Coast guard
National Guard
Congress
Senate
President

Everything I've added an "X" to are under the control of state and local governments, and fit the 10th Amendment limits on Federal control. Its locally determined what levels of support each receives, and that varies state by state.

The next set of items are Constitutionally mandated and are not disputed to any serious degree by those concerned with the growth of the Federal gov't and/or socialism. These are part of the core functions the Founders envisioned for the central gov't...

Army
Navy
USMC
Air Force
Coast guard
National Guard
Congress
Senate
President

So that just leaves three...

medicare
medicad
Social Security

And yup - all of these have been hotly contested as steps too far for the Federal gov't.

Medicare is Federal and has certainly faced its share of criticism for its being too much of a socialist program for the Federal gov't. It's massive waste and corruption have been pointed to by many as proof that our gov't can't run a program like this. Medicad is the oddball, being both Federal and state, but the same concerns and criticisms apply. In its case, many also point to it as a violation of the 10th Amendment, as the Federal gov't places burdens upon the states that they never agree to. And of course, Social Security is and always has been a Ponzi scheme which will eventually collapse. The only reason it's defenders get away with rejecting that reality is the fact that our gov't can print more money at whim. And that only works because the US dollar is currently the world's reserve currency, which will also eventually come to an end.

There's a difference between the kind of "big" socialism that many reject, and the smaller items that are more shared societal conveniences. Those are accepted because the majority need/use those services on a regular basis, and there is state and local control. Said differently; paying taxes for roads is a far cry from accepting a full-on Federally run socialist economic system. Your premise seems throws all that together as if they are cut from the same cloth - they are not.

How do you like socialism thrown upon you...the only 2 things left out is Universal healthcare and education

Me I was happy with the system except HC and ED...

You voted because you didn't want this and now here it is in full bloom...so how do you feel about your *tRump socialism vote now

Will you send your check back when they send it to you out of protest of socialism or are you now OK with this now

Will you turn down the free test if offered to you because it's socialism

Socialism:
Police
Fire
ED k-12
Streets
Street signs
Lines on the road
Highways
The library
Social Security
Unemployment
Disability
medicare
medicad
Army
Navy
USMC
Air Force
Coast guard
National Guard
Congress
Senate
President
Their HC we pay for it and can't even have their coverage...sad

anyone else want to add to the list feel free

Your premise is flawed if you're lumping all these things together as under Trump, which is the same as saying its under Federal control.

What most people who are concerned with socialism's spread base their stance upon is the growth of Federal socialism, or the non-Constitutional growth of Federal powers. The concern can also be summed up as violations of the 10th Amendment, which is: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

So with that understanding, lets look at your list...

X - Police
X - Fire
X - ED k-12
X - Streets
X - Street signs
X - Lines on the road
X - Highways
X - The library
Social Security
X - Unemployment
X - Disability
medicare
medicad
Army
Navy
USMC
Air Force
Coast guard
National Guard
Congress
Senate
President

Everything I've added an "X" to are under the control of state and local governments, and fit the 10th Amendment limits on Federal control. Its locally determined what levels of support each receives, and that varies state by state.

The next set of items are Constitutionally mandated and are not disputed to any serious degree by those concerned with the growth of the Federal gov't and/or socialism. These are part of the core functions the Founders envisioned for the central gov't...

Army
Navy
USMC
Air Force
Coast guard
National Guard
Congress
Senate
President

So that just leaves three...

medicare
medicad
Social Security

And yup - all of these have been hotly contested as steps too far for the Federal gov't.

Medicare is Federal and has certainly faced its share of criticism for its being too much of a socialist program for the Federal gov't. It's massive waste and corruption have been pointed to by many as proof that our gov't can't run a program like this. Medicad is the oddball, being both Federal and state, but the same concerns and criticisms apply. In its case, many also point to it as a violation of the 10th Amendment, as the Federal gov't places burdens upon the states that they never agree to. And of course, Social Security is and always has been a Ponzi scheme which will eventually collapse. The only reason it's defenders get away with rejecting that reality is the fact that our gov't can print more money at whim. And that only works because the US dollar is currently the world's reserve currency, which will also eventually come to an end.

There's a difference between the kind of "big" socialism that many reject, and the smaller items that are more shared societal conveniences. Those are accepted because the majority need/use those services on a regular basis, and there is state and local control. Said differently; paying taxes for roads is a far cry from accepting a full-on Federally run socialist economic system. Your premise seems throws all that together as if they are cut from the same cloth - they are not.

You couldn't be more wrong...anything we pay a tax to support as a service is socialism...I'm sorry you don't realize it

Flawed premise. It works in a disconnect statement, but you can't broad brush why people voted for Trump and what they believe or don't believe. Just like I can't assume that everyone who voted for Hillary Clinton...or any candidate all felt one way or were motivated and all together. Socialism isn't always bad, capitalism isn't always good. Find the right mix and you've hit the jackpot.

Flawed premise. It works in a disconnect statement, but you can't broad brush why people voted for Trump and what they believe or don't believe. Just like I can't assume that everyone who voted for Hillary Clinton...or any candidate all felt one way or were motivated and all together. Socialism isn't always bad, capitalism isn't always good. Find the right mix and you've hit the jackpot.

For me there wasn't much to decide. A 40 year American buffoon that has lived with his head firmly shoved up his a$$ or someone who's policy differences I could get through for 4 years as long as the American buffoon wasn't given the job...

Flawed premise. It works in a disconnect statement, but you can't broad brush why people voted for Trump and what they believe or don't believe. Just like I can't assume that everyone who voted for Hillary Clinton...or any candidate all felt one way or were motivated and all together. Socialism isn't always bad, capitalism isn't always good. Find the right mix and you've hit the jackpot.

For me there wasn't much to decide. A 40 year American buffoon that has lived with his head firmly shoved up his a$$ or someone who's policy differences I could get through for 4 years as long as the American buffoon wasn't given the job...

It's fine. We all have our differences. I respect your reasons and I even respect your dislike for the President. We know there are good reasons for why you feel the way you do. But I think back to election night and on MSNBC Chris Mathews talking to Lawrence ODonnell and ODonnell was just getting more and more pissed and Mathews was maybe playing devils advocate saying he can see why some people voted for Trump, Howard Dean in the days following the election said similar things, not everyone that voted for Trump fits what you are saying.

Flawed premise. It works in a disconnect statement, but you can't broad brush why people voted for Trump and what they believe or don't believe. Just like I can't assume that everyone who voted for Hillary Clinton...or any candidate all felt one way or were motivated and all together. Socialism isn't always bad, capitalism isn't always good. Find the right mix and you've hit the jackpot.

For me there wasn't much to decide. A 40 year American buffoon that has lived with his head firmly shoved up his a$$ or someone who's policy differences I could get through for 4 years as long as the American buffoon wasn't given the job...

It's fine. We all have our differences. I respect your reasons and I even respect your dislike for the President. We know there are good reasons for why you feel the way you do. But I think back to election night and on MSNBC Chris Mathews talking to Lawrence ODonnell and ODonnell was just getting more and more pissed and Mathews was maybe playing devils advocate saying he can see why some people voted for Trump, Howard Dean in the days following the election said similar things, not everyone that voted for Trump fits what you are saying.

Oh I know people had their reasons, Racism, Misogyny the inability to sniff out BS...They wanted a 2nd century wall that a rope, ladder or tunnel could get by and were unable to comprehend that fact.

He was going to bring back the buggy whip industry and all the other industries that will never come back because the world has changed and people don't want to educate themselves to meet the change they want to live in the past and pretend a grifter was going to make it all better.

They wanted to "Lock her up" although many of his own people are "locked up" and hopefully he will be too

How many investigation have they had against HC and who's been impeached?

Lots of reason just none that have any level intelligence. Fear, hatred and believing a conman...sorry can you point out the good reasons? Nobody seems to have one

Flawed premise. It works in a disconnect statement, but you can't broad brush why people voted for Trump and what they believe or don't believe. Just like I can't assume that everyone who voted for Hillary Clinton...or any candidate all felt one way or were motivated and all together. Socialism isn't always bad, capitalism isn't always good. Find the right mix and you've hit the jackpot.

For me there wasn't much to decide. A 40 year American buffoon that has lived with his head firmly shoved up his a$$ or someone who's policy differences I could get through for 4 years as long as the American buffoon wasn't given the job...

It's fine. We all have our differences. I respect your reasons and I even respect your dislike for the President. We know there are good reasons for why you feel the way you do. But I think back to election night and on MSNBC Chris Mathews talking to Lawrence ODonnell and ODonnell was just getting more and more pissed and Mathews was maybe playing devils advocate saying he can see why some people voted for Trump, Howard Dean in the days following the election said similar things, not everyone that voted for Trump fits what you are saying.

Oh I know people had their reasons, Racism, Misogyny the inability to sniff out BS...They wanted a 2nd century wall that a rope, ladder or tunnel could get by and were unable to comprehend that fact.

He was going to bring back the buggy whip industry and all the other industries that will never come back because the world has changed and people don't want to educate themselves to meet the change they want to live in the past and pretend a grifter was going to make it all better.

They wanted to "Lock her up" although many of his own people are "locked up" and hopefully he will be too

How many investigation have they had against HC and who's been impeached?

Lots of reason just none that have any level intelligence. Fear, hatred and believing a conman...sorry can you point out the good reasons? Nobody seems to have one

I can't and won't begin to try and say why other people did what they did. I have long wanted a nonpolitican to be president in this country. I wish we could elect a president who was neither a Republican nor Democrat. I hoped Trump wasn't actually a Republican, which many questioned back then, and I still do not believe he is a Republican at heart, but that machine made him into one and he was ready willing and waiting to jump in feet first when he saw the kind of power he could have. I'm not you, you are not me. We can never fully understand why eachother do certain things. I'll still to this day take a Trump or Bernie Sanders trade policy over anyone else period. Not buggy whips, how about all the other stuff that countries like Vietnam send here. Sell it here make it here. Who was the candidate in 2016 who was talking like that? Wish we had our medical and pharmaceutical supply chain and more protective equipment made here don't you? Well sure, Trump didn't do that, but when I cast my vote at the time, who was the more likely candidate to stand up for that...Trump or Clinton? I'm fine with how I voted last time. Trump has shown his ass too many times for me to vote for him again, so I'll go back to voting third party dreaming of the day we can break the duopoly in Washington. You are free to keep hating on Trump, not standing in your way, I think I've said all I have to say.

Flawed premise. It works in a disconnect statement, but you can't broad brush why people voted for Trump and what they believe or don't believe. Just like I can't assume that everyone who voted for Hillary Clinton...or any candidate all felt one way or were motivated and all together. Socialism isn't always bad, capitalism isn't always good. Find the right mix and you've hit the jackpot.

For me there wasn't much to decide. A 40 year American buffoon that has lived with his head firmly shoved up his a$$ or someone who's policy differences I could get through for 4 years as long as the American buffoon wasn't given the job...

It's fine. We all have our differences. I respect your reasons and I even respect your dislike for the President. We know there are good reasons for why you feel the way you do. But I think back to election night and on MSNBC Chris Mathews talking to Lawrence ODonnell and ODonnell was just getting more and more pissed and Mathews was maybe playing devils advocate saying he can see why some people voted for Trump, Howard Dean in the days following the election said similar things, not everyone that voted for Trump fits what you are saying.

Oh I know people had their reasons, Racism, Misogyny the inability to sniff out BS...They wanted a 2nd century wall that a rope, ladder or tunnel could get by and were unable to comprehend that fact.

He was going to bring back the buggy whip industry and all the other industries that will never come back because the world has changed and people don't want to educate themselves to meet the change they want to live in the past and pretend a grifter was going to make it all better.

They wanted to "Lock her up" although many of his own people are "locked up" and hopefully he will be too

How many investigation have they had against HC and who's been impeached?

Lots of reason just none that have any level intelligence. Fear, hatred and believing a conman...sorry can you point out the good reasons? Nobody seems to have one

I can't and won't begin to try and say why other people did what they did. I have long wanted a nonpolitican to be president in this country. I wish we could elect a president who was neither a Republican nor Democrat. I hoped Trump wasn't actually a Republican, which many questioned back then, and I still do not believe he is a Republican at heart, but that machine made him into one and he was ready willing and waiting to jump in feet first when he saw the kind of power he could have. I'm not you, you are not me. We can never fully understand why eachother do certain things. I'll still to this day take a Trump or Bernie Sanders trade policy over anyone else period. Not buggy whips, how about all the other stuff that countries like Vietnam send here. Sell it here make it here. Who was the candidate in 2016 who was talking like that? Wish we had our medical and pharmaceutical supply chain and more protective equipment made here don't you? Well sure, Trump didn't do that, but when I cast my vote at the time, who was the more likely candidate to stand up for that...Trump or Clinton? I'm fine with how I voted last time. Trump has shown his ass too many times for me to vote for him again, so I'll go back to voting third party dreaming of the day we can break the duopoly in Washington. You are free to keep hating on Trump, not standing in your way, I think I've said all I have to say.

Recognizing a BS'er is not hate. He's been a fool for 40+ years..Angry...sure because people couldn't see through the BS.

All the other stuff could have been worked through. There hasn't been a real 3rd part since the Whig party in the 1800's it's not gonna happen in our lifetime. The current alternate parties are either extreme right or extreme left. Extremes don't work...progress requires a measured approach.

I have long wanted a nonpolitican to be president in this country.

That’s exactly what you got and look at the mess we’re in. Trump is proving that he never was, and perhaps never will be, up to fulfilling his responsibilities as President.

One actually needs to know about government before attempting to run one.

Exhibit A: the fat, orange snake oil salesman occupying the People’s House.

Wow. Kick Bernie outta the race and suddenly "Socialism" ain't a bad thing. This coulda come with legal weed, y'know. 😉

I have long wanted a nonpolitican to be president in this country.

We've had a non-politician. Eisenhower was career military AND president of an Ivy League university who had never held office.

Aside from him, we've had successful businessmen & celebrity presidents who had held office (governor, congress) so they understood government & basic civics. I don't see the point of having a neophyte who's going to learn on the most powerful job in the world.

You are free to keep hating on Trump, not standing in your way

It always comes back to this. Always. You criticize this guy, it's because you have no valid reason to do so and it's only motivated by hate and hate alone.

I want a President who is independent and free from party constraints and works with both sides. I hoped that was what I was getting in 2016's election, I was wrong. Party politics sucks.

You are free to keep hating on Trump, not standing in your way

It always comes back to this. Always. You criticize this guy, it's because you have no valid reason to do so and it's only motivated by hate and hate alone.

No, I'm saying I don't care if people hate him. It's fine. Anyone, everyone can hate him. There are valid reasons.

I do criticize him, often. I don't hate him, I'm just not voting for him again.

[Edited on 3/20/2020 by nebish]

^ that’s really gross

I want a President who is independent and free from party constraints and works with both sides. I hoped that was what I was getting in 2016's election, I was wrong. Party politics sucks.

It'll never happen. Both would consider him a threat and wouldn't cooperate.

Like it or not, our system is stuck with two opponents. Funny thing is, they both basically have the same agenda, which is continued power, more power, and wider control. The fact that our checks and balances keep them in opposition and doesn't permit either one to amass total control is the only reason its worked so long.

As Jefferson said "Experience hath shown, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny." Frustrating as it may be, political gridlock is a blessing to liberty.