My wife's company can't hire enough folks. My 401K has more than tripled while Obama has been President. That's a lot of money.

Cut military spending in half if you are worried about the debt. A great deal of the debt is interest on the Bush wars alloak - That's a fact. The debt continues to rise because of a Republican President. That's how debt works. The interest is what kills you.

My wife's company can't hire enough folks. My 401K has more than tripled while Obama has been President. That's a lot of money.

Cut military spending in half if you are worried about the debt. A great deal of the debt is interest on the Bush wars alloak - That's a fact. The debt continues to rise because of a Republican President. That's how debt works. The interest is what kills you.

Surprise, surprise. It's all Bush's fault. I won't even ask is all the stuff you ignored is Bush's fault too. Pretty sure what the answer would be.

But please tell us, exactly when is Obama's tenure going to start?

Debt is debt. Interest is interest. There is interest on those wars.

Happy 4th of July alloak. I can't argue with your logic. I didn't say everything was Bush's fault.

You are a waste of my time.

My wife's company can't hire enough folks. My 401K has more than tripled while Obama has been President. That's a lot of money.

Cut military spending in half if you are worried about the debt. A great deal of the debt is interest on the Bush wars alloak - That's a fact. The debt continues to rise because of a Republican President. That's how debt works. The interest is what kills you.

Surprise, surprise. It's all Bush's fault. I won't even ask is all the stuff you ignored is Bush's fault too. Pretty sure what the answer would be.

But please tell us, exactly when is Obama's tenure going to start?

When did the two wars start and who started them? Who caused the debt to rise to pay the interest on them? Which president was in office when the economic crash occurred? And then, which president inherited this and has been slowly pulling us out of the mess?

But BilliB is right. Expecting an intelligent response from you is a waste of time.

Almost $20 Trillion in debt, but let's put it all on Bush. Boy, now that would be totally unexpected. Sounds intelligent to me.

I find the fact that Trump, like Palin before him, is not laughed out of the race by conservative voters and harassed and harangued by other GOP candidates very troublesome.

I really feel that way about Hilary also. Would love to hear a couple of tough, fresh voices with their feet planted firmly in the future supplant these old tired views and ways of doing political business, from each side.

Agree completely.

Just curious. I think there are plenty of good people who just don't have the stomach for the political circus who don't run. Has anyone here run for ANY office? local (school board, magistrate/judge), state, national?

Almost $20 Trillion in debt, but let's put it all on Bush. Boy, now that would be totally unexpected. Sounds intelligent to me.

Yes, one president, that being Obama, all by himself, put the country $20 trillion in debt. Damn that Obama. He ended two wars that were obviously making a profit. 😛

Almost $20 Trillion in debt, but let's put it all on Bush. Boy, now that would be totally unexpected. Sounds intelligent to me.

Yes, one president, that being Obama, all by himself, put the country $20 trillion in debt. Damn that Obama. He ended two wars that were obviously making a profit. 😛

Bush set the drawdown date for Iraq before Obama was even elected, so that one ends no matter who is President. When Obama ran in 2008 he had no problem with the Afghanistan war, calling it the "right" war to fight.

Fact: Obama DOUBLED the debt in six years, and would've done even worse without a Republican house for a portion of that.

He inherited an economy where the worst was already behind us by the time he was sworn in, poised to rebound, zero percent interest rates, with his party in total control of the government. He squandered the opportunity, presiding over the worst economic recovery in history.

BTW, a pretty much zero growth economy on his watch was predicted by some posters here so don't say you weren't warned. That prediction was pretty intelligent.

[Edited on 7/5/2015 by alloak41]

I find the fact that Trump, like Palin before him, is not laughed out of the race by conservative voters and harassed and harangued by other GOP candidates very troublesome.

I really feel that way about Hilary also. Would love to hear a couple of tough, fresh voices with their feet planted firmly in the future supplant these old tired views and ways of doing political business, from each side.

I agree 100% and Hillary is far from perfect. I only support her because I don't want to see any of the current Republicans, who pander to the lunatic fringe tea party, elected POTUS.

If I had my choice I would love to see Elizabeth Warren elected as I believe she is one candidate who truly cares for the people. Sadly she is not running and even if she did I wonder if America is ready for her. I could see Big Business pouring money into her competition in both parties to try to defeat her if she did run.

On the Republican side Rand Paul is the closest to a Republican who I agree with but then for every logical quote I read from him there is another that sounds like the same old tired GOP rhetoric. I will give him credit though he does go against the GOP party line at times and for that I respect him.

There are so many candidates for the GOP I have to admit I have not studied everyone so you have to hope there are some young up and comers who are not afraid to break away from the pack and stand up to the Tea Party pressure.

I agree 100% and Hillary is far from perfect. I only support her because I don't want to see any of the current Republicans, who pander to the lunatic fringe tea party, elected POTUS.

Just curious. Which TP views and/or positions do you consider "lunatic" worthy?

I agree 100% and Hillary is far from perfect. I only support her because I don't want to see any of the current Republicans, who pander to the lunatic fringe tea party, elected POTUS.

Just curious. Which TP views and/or positions do you consider "lunatic" worthy?

From reading your posts I am guessing you would support most of the positions I think are unreasonable so I won't waste my time outlining them for you to attack and deflect. At this point from reading my posts I think you should have a pretty good feel for where I stand. 😉

I agree 100% and Hillary is far from perfect. I only support her because I don't want to see any of the current Republicans, who pander to the lunatic fringe tea party, elected POTUS.

Just curious. Which TP views and/or positions do you consider "lunatic" worthy?

From reading your posts I am guessing you would support most of the positions I think are unreasonable so I won't waste my time outlining them for you to attack and deflect. At this point from reading my posts I think you should have a pretty good feel for where I stand. 😉

Balanced budgets?
Reasonable taxation and simplified tax code?
Returning some power to the States?
Abide by the Constitution?
Promote civic responsibility?

Most if not all of their views are mainstream ideals. But then sometimes I forget this is 2015, where the mainstream are the oddballs and the outliers the reasonable ones. My bad.

Almost $20 Trillion in debt, but let's put it all on Bush. Boy, now that would be totally unexpected. Sounds intelligent to me.

Yes, one president, that being Obama, all by himself, put the country $20 trillion in debt. Damn that Obama. He ended two wars that were obviously making a profit. 😛

Bush set the drawdown date for Iraq before Obama was even elected, so that one ends no matter who is President. When Obama ran in 2008 he had no problem with the Afghanistan war, calling it the "right" war to fight.

Fact: Obama DOUBLED the debt in six years, and would've done even worse without a Republican house for a portion of that.

He inherited an economy where the worst was already behind us by the time he was sworn in, poised to rebound, zero percent interest rates, with his party in total control of the government. He squandered the opportunity, presiding over the worst economic recovery in history.

BTW, a pretty much zero growth economy on his watch was predicted by some posters here so don't say you weren't warned. That prediction was pretty intelligent.

[Edited on 7/5/2015 by alloak41]

Why did all of these things happen? i know you always look at every event as if one and only one thing causes everything. But things are far more complicated than you seen to grasp. But anyway, even though I know this will fly over your head, I am giving this link. It is from January, but it will be updated this month. It will give a fair report card on Obama's presidency. I doubt that you will read and/or comprehend it, but others may find it interesting.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/01/obamas-numbers-january-2015-update/

If people continue to leave the workforce in droves, the unemployment rate at some point could hit ZERO!

If people continue to leave the workforce in droves, the unemployment rate at some point could hit ZERO!

I knew it was way too complicated for you to comprehend. Thanks for proving me to be correct.

I agree 100% and Hillary is far from perfect. I only support her because I don't want to see any of the current Republicans, who pander to the lunatic fringe tea party, elected POTUS.

Just curious. Which TP views and/or positions do you consider "lunatic" worthy?

From reading your posts I am guessing you would support most of the positions I think are unreasonable so I won't waste my time outlining them for you to attack and deflect. At this point from reading my posts I think you should have a pretty good feel for where I stand. 😉

Balanced budgets?
Reasonable taxation and simplified tax code?
Returning some power to the States?
Abide by the Constitution?
Promote civic responsibility?

Most if not all of their views are mainstream ideals. But then sometimes I forget this is 2015, where the mainstream are the oddballs and the outliers the reasonable ones. My bad.

You forgot to mention shutting down the government. Was that because you chose to omit it, or did it slip your mind? Just Google up "Tea Party votes to shut down the government". That act was mainstream...of course????

Here's a good article explaining how mainstream your Tea Party is, alloak. Let's hope you get a Tea Part candidate to represent the GOP in the next prez. election. Will it make you a happy guy?

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/21/10_reasons_the_tea_party_is_wildly_unpopular_partner/

Salon.com.....Seriously?

#1 on their list.....THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT AMERICA AS A NATION.

Sorry, but there's really no reason to go much further than that...

Salon.com.....Seriously?

#1 on their list.....THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT AMERICA AS A NATION.

Sorry, but there's really no reason to go much further than that...

Of course not. As soon as more than one issue is brought up, you get mentally lost. Complex thinking is not your forte.

I don't care about the black vote, the Hispanic vote, the women's vote, the gay vote. All I care about is the AMERICAN vote.

Interesting. Your original post indicated that you cared about the racist and bigot vote.

Those are already in the bag. After all, isn't that the GOP base?

That's certainly a viable explanation for Trump's surge in the polls among Republicans following his…um…"speech".

I disagree. Trump has made many other statements on other topics in his speeches. Of course, you're going to zero in and fixate on the one he made about Mexican illegals if you don't like him.

Yet you seem to have no problem zeroing in on 2 SCOTUS rulings as the only reasons why 3,000,000 to 6,000,000 more conservative will come out and vote conservative. Personally, I haven't seen Trump talk about anything other than immigration (and Miss Universe, Univision, NBC and Macy's) since he declared.

[Edited on 7/6/2015 by gondicar]

Almost $20 Trillion in debt, but let's put it all on Bush. Boy, now that would be totally unexpected. Sounds intelligent to me.

Salon.com.....Seriously?

#1 on their list.....THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT AMERICA AS A NATION.

Sorry, but there's really no reason to go much further than that...

Of course not. As soon as more than one issue is brought up, you get mentally lost. Complex thinking is not your forte.

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Notice first that he cherry picked the post by not addressing the "mainstream" action of the Tea Party that shut down the gov't. Be proud, alloak. Did that fit well into your "gridlock is good" concept?

Secondly - even though the link I posted was from Salon, one could easily find the elements of the article from a number of sources. It is pretty well know by now what the Tea Party is and isn't.

Alloak has learned well from his mentor Mule. Can't dispute the facts? then attack the source as being biased even if the same facts are readily available from numerous sources.

But it amazes me that every political oriented thread always degenerates into an Obama attack thread for the conservatives here.

But it amazes me that every political oriented thread always degenerates into an Obama attack thread for the conservatives here.

It would be more accurate to say that every political oriented thread turns into an alloak attack thread for the liberals here.

I don't mind. If you can reduce the competition to that level, it's a win and it's usually pretty easy.

But it amazes me that every political oriented thread always degenerates into an Obama attack thread for the conservatives here.

It would be more accurate to say that every political oriented thread turns into an alloak attack thread for the liberals here.

I don't mind. If you can reduce the competition to that level, it's a win and it's usually pretty easy.

Awwwww, everyone is picking on poor alloak. Of course you don't mind, that is why you bring it up in every thread. Hey, I have an idea. Stop making idiotic posts that make you look dumb.

I agree 100% and Hillary is far from perfect. I only support her because I don't want to see any of the current Republicans, who pander to the lunatic fringe tea party, elected POTUS.

Just curious. Which TP views and/or positions do you consider "lunatic" worthy?

From reading your posts I am guessing you would support most of the positions I think are unreasonable so I won't waste my time outlining them for you to attack and deflect. At this point from reading my posts I think you should have a pretty good feel for where I stand. 😉

Balanced budgets?
Reasonable taxation and simplified tax code?
Returning some power to the States?
Abide by the Constitution?
Promote civic responsibility?

Most if not all of their views are mainstream ideals. But then sometimes I forget this is 2015, where the mainstream are the oddballs and the outliers the reasonable ones. My bad.

Don't be disengenous. People have responded to the TP "platform" before (at your demand) in a non-insulting way and you ignored the responses.

Salon.com.....Seriously?

#1 on their list.....THEY DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT AMERICA AS A NATION.

Sorry, but there's really no reason to go much further than that...

Of course not. As soon as more than one issue is brought up, you get mentally lost. Complex thinking is not your forte.

Notice first that he cherry picked the post by not addressing the "mainstream" action of the Tea Party that shut down the gov't. Be proud, alloak. Did that fit well into your "gridlock is good" concept?

So I take it you stand by point #1, courtesy of Salon.com? Does an actual caring meter exist that measures that quality? Where is it located?

To be accurate the government shut itself down, finding itself once again about to run out of money. The two parties couldn't agree on how to move forward and that's what led to a government "shutdown." The TP couldn't shut the government down if it wanted to.

As far as gridlock goes, any proof that the government is functioning the way it was designed to could be considered a good thing. And specifically, the stock market LOVES gridlock, so that is a definite positive takeaway worth mention.

But it amazes me that every political oriented thread always degenerates into an Obama attack thread for the conservatives here.

It would be more accurate to say that every political oriented thread turns into an alloak attack thread for the liberals here.

I don't mind. If you can reduce the competition to that level, it's a win and it's usually pretty easy.

Considering how you have become a miniMule it is the pot calling the kettle black Alloak.

You used to at least try to defend your position but lately your strategy seems to be attack liberals in general so I don't think you have the right to declare you are "Winning" about anything other then trying to wind up those you don't agree with.

Why not try addressing the issues instead of deflecting all the time?

I agree 100% and Hillary is far from perfect. I only support her because I don't want to see any of the current Republicans, who pander to the lunatic fringe tea party, elected POTUS.

Just curious. Which TP views and/or positions do you consider "lunatic" worthy?

From reading your posts I am guessing you would support most of the positions I think are unreasonable so I won't waste my time outlining them for you to attack and deflect. At this point from reading my posts I think you should have a pretty good feel for where I stand. 😉

Balanced budgets?
Reasonable taxation and simplified tax code?
Returning some power to the States?
Abide by the Constitution?
Promote civic responsibility?

Most if not all of their views are mainstream ideals. But then sometimes I forget this is 2015, where the mainstream are the oddballs and the outliers the reasonable ones. My bad.

Don't be disengenous. People have responded to the TP "platform" before (at your demand) in a non-insulting way and you ignored the responses.

Yep. I've given up trying to have a good debate with him...except in the baseball thread, still room for reasonable discussion about baseball apparently.

[Edited on 7/6/2015 by gondicar]

I agree 100% and Hillary is far from perfect. I only support her because I don't want to see any of the current Republicans, who pander to the lunatic fringe tea party, elected POTUS.

Just curious. Which TP views and/or positions do you consider "lunatic" worthy?

From reading your posts I am guessing you would support most of the positions I think are unreasonable so I won't waste my time outlining them for you to attack and deflect. At this point from reading my posts I think you should have a pretty good feel for where I stand. 😉

Balanced budgets?
Reasonable taxation and simplified tax code?
Returning some power to the States?
Abide by the Constitution?
Promote civic responsibility?

Most if not all of their views are mainstream ideals. But then sometimes I forget this is 2015, where the mainstream are the oddballs and the outliers the reasonable ones. My bad.

Don't be disengenous. People have responded to the TP "platform" before (at your demand) in a non-insulting way and you ignored the responses.

You're the only person that made any effort to look into it. As I remember, not only did I NOT ignore it, I was very complimentary of your analysis for the most part.