You guys are both jumping to conclusions. Nowhere on this board have I ever said that military spending should not be cut. In fact, I've said the opposite. Everything should be on the table.
Reason being I believe that military spending can be cut without cutting military strength. I'm in favor of military spending cuts as long as they are smart cuts. Cut too deeply, or in the wrong areas, or both, and we could wind up spending more later.
That being said, we debate this all night and only be avoiding the real problem - Entitlements.
You have constantly said cuts should be in other areas like education. You have never agreed with defense cuts.
FALSE. We've had this debate, or some variance of it, dozens of times here and I've proposed cuts in military spending here many times. I'm OK with smart cuts.
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Wrong. In this thread when defense cuts were suggested, you started in on education. Considering how little of the budget is spent on education, if you eliminated every dime spent on it, it would be a drop in the bucket.
Explain what "smart cuts" in military spending would be. I will wait for your dance around non-answer.
1. BS. The first line in that post was "We need defense. Do we really need a Department of Education?" It's a way of contrasting for debate purposes. Feel free to go back and take a look. Where have I said we shouldn't spend on education? Nowhere. We can spend money on education and not necessarily have a Department of Education. We did it for 200 years. (and managed to survive.)
2. Cuts that make sense without cutting our strength, not cuts for cuts sake. For instance, bringing military preparedness, training, weaponry more in line with what our current thru intermediate term needs are perceived to be. Discontinue outdated or unneeded weapon systems, aircraft, ect. That's a start.
I'm a believer in what Lee Iacocca once said. "I can cut 5% out of anything and you won't even know it's gone."
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I remember when Obama offered to raise the social security age in exchange for in a minor increases in taxes, and the Republicans said no. Republicans really are more concerned with keeping taxes low above all else. They have 100% failed in any attempt to reign in the budget. Everytime we have a Republican in the Whitehouse, spendong goes thrpugh the roof and taxes go down, and somehow the Democrats get the blame for the rising deficit and national debt. Sorry, I'm not buying it. Both parties are partially to blame for fiscal irresponsibility, but I am so done with the Republicans spending binges and them blaming everybody but themselves.
Yeah, it's the entitlements.
CORRECT. I'm assuming you know what entitlements are. That would be the Red and Green areas, roughly half the total budget (2011 chart)
You copied a picture that was for sale on Photobucket? Nice source. 😛
Yeah, it's the entitlements.
CORRECT. I'm assuming you know what entitlements are. That would be the Red and Green areas, roughly half the total budget (2011 chart)
You copied a picture that was for sale on Photobucket? Nice source. 😛
CBO is pretty solid. You pay for Photobucket?
I remember when Obama offered to raise the social security age in exchange for in a minor increases in taxes, and the Republicans said no. Republicans really are more concerned with keeping taxes low above all else. They have 100% failed in any attempt to reign in the budget. Everytime we have a Republican in the Whitehouse, spendong goes thrpugh the roof and taxes go down, and somehow the Democrats get the blame for the rising deficit and national debt. Sorry, I'm not buying it. Both parties are partially to blame for fiscal irresponsibility, but I am so done with the Republicans spending binges and them blaming everybody but themselves.
I've pretty much given up hope anything will be done about it. Politicians LOVE to spend money.
I remember when Obama offered to raise the social security age in exchange for in a minor increases in taxes, and the Republicans said no. Republicans really are more concerned with keeping taxes low above all else. They have 100% failed in any attempt to reign in the budget. Everytime we have a Republican in the Whitehouse, spendong goes thrpugh the roof and taxes go down, and somehow the Democrats get the blame for the rising deficit and national debt. Sorry, I'm not buying it. Both parties are partially to blame for fiscal irresponsibility, but I am so done with the Republicans spending binges and them blaming everybody but themselves.
I've pretty much given up hope anything will be done about it. Politicians LOVE to spend money.
Hey, we agree on something.
Conservatives complain about the deficit and yet the GOP is calling for increasing the spending for an already bloated defense budget....go figure.
We need defense. Do we need a Department of Education (for example?) We survived 200 years without one. And try to cut that budget by .0003% and watch the Democrats blow a gasket. Go figure.
But how much defense do we need? Do we need to spend several times the amount of every other country on earth combined? Is that level of spendng necessary? Seems to me that Canada and Australia are pretty safe places and their defense spending is just a tiny fraction of ours. There comes a time where the amount of money $pent on defense is more damaging to America then the benefit it provides.
We need enough to project strength. I think it's been proven that American military strength makes the world is a safer place. Sad, but that's the world we live in.
The left will never ever admit this. Just like they won't admit that proactive police tactics lead to the resuction of violent crime.
I'll admit that all day long. Will you and others admit there's bad cops in our system?
Yes. I and others already have. We just believe that the system can properly deal with them. For example that cop in South Carolina that shot a kid in cold blood is being tried for murder.
Conservatives complain about the deficit and yet the GOP is calling for increasing the spending for an already bloated defense budget....go figure.
We need defense. Do we need a Department of Education (for example?) We survived 200 years without one. And try to cut that budget by .0003% and watch the Democrats blow a gasket. Go figure.
But how much defense do we need? Do we need to spend several times the amount of every other country on earth combined? Is that level of spendng necessary? Seems to me that Canada and Australia are pretty safe places and their defense spending is just a tiny fraction of ours. There comes a time where the amount of money $pent on defense is more damaging to America then the benefit it provides.
We need enough to project strength. I think it's been proven that American military strength makes the world is a safer place. Sad, but that's the world we live in.
The left will never ever admit this. Just like they won't admit that proactive police tactics lead to the resuction of violent crime.
Really? Both of these things are clearly addressed in the platform of the Democratic Party, which you just said has an "extreme left tilt". So how is it that the extreme left as you call it can put it in writing as part of their party platform, but then never admit it? Isn't putting it in writing for the world to see more or less admitting it?
I don't know what's in the platofrom but whatever it is, as a document its less than meaningless. I go by the daily words and rhetoric. I read plenty from people of the left. I know how they think. Of course there are exceptions like Bhawk but they are few and far between.
You guys are both jumping to conclusions. Nowhere on this board have I ever said that military spending should not be cut. In fact, I've said the opposite. Everything should be on the table.
Reason being I believe that military spending can be cut without cutting military strength. I'm in favor of military spending cuts as long as they are smart cuts. Cut too deeply, or in the wrong areas, or both, and we could wind up spending more later.
That being said, we debate this all night and only be avoiding the real problem - Entitlements.
You have constantly said cuts should be in other areas like education. You have never agreed with defense cuts.
FALSE. We've had this debate, or some variance of it, dozens of times here and I've proposed cuts in military spending here many times. I'm OK with smart cuts.
[Edited on 6/6/2015 by alloak41]
Wrong. In this thread when defense cuts were suggested, you started in on education. Considering how little of the budget is spent on education, if you eliminated every dime spent on it, it would be a drop in the bucket.
Explain what "smart cuts" in military spending would be. I will wait for your dance around non-answer.
He said we don't need a "federal Departnent" of Education. he did not say he is either against public education or against spending on education. It is another tactic of the left to conflate spending with caring as if there is no other way to address a problem than throwing money at it.
