I have also not seen or heard a GOP candidate refrain from attacking liberals, liberalism or Democrats. (Giulliani saying that Obama doesn't love the country comes to mind most recently). IMO the GOP knows how to attack and run attack ads.

STRONGLY disagree. The Romney and McCain campaigns both made a game of patty cake
look aggressive by comparison. The GOP in general has not even scratched the surface of
what would be possible in attacking the long list of Liberalism's consequences.

The present day Democratic party is concerned about only two things IMO.

1) Expanding the size and scope of the Federal Government
2) Demise of any opposition

Now I'm sure someone with faulty logic will translate this into "Conservatives are perfect."

Ah yes, those wimpy Republicans refusing to attack the opposition. Maybe attacking Obama more would have worked. Maybe they should have tried saying he was born out of the country, or being a secret Muslim, or being a socialist, or hating America, or something like that. No attack at all. The Republicans only offered their ideas and failed to attack Obama. Had they offered fewer ideas and attacked Obama more, clearly they would have won the election.

I guess we were watching totally different campaigns. The Romney campaign went after Obama's record a little bit at times. McCain's went after nothing.

Not sure what campaigns you were watching Alloak. It took me 5 seconds to pull up numerous articles of the Romney campaign and Republicans in general attacking Obama calling him a liar and weak. Google is you friend my friend 😉

The GOP in general has not even scratched the surface of
what would be possible in attacking the long list of Liberalism's consequences.

The present day Democratic party is concerned about only two things IMO.

1) Expanding the size and scope of the Federal Government
2) Demise of any opposition

Now I'm sure someone with faulty logic will translate this into "Conservatives are perfect."

Instead of wanting more attack on your enemies, why not ask the ones you support for more alternative ideas and policies, present them to the public and enact them? You know, govern?

You and other conservatives thinking you are better people than those you perceive as leftist or liberal isn't born from any type of logic, merely observation.

I have also not seen or heard a GOP candidate refrain from attacking liberals, liberalism or Democrats. (Giulliani saying that Obama doesn't love the country comes to mind most recently). IMO the GOP knows how to attack and run attack ads.

STRONGLY disagree. The Romney and McCain campaigns both made a game of patty cake
look aggressive by comparison. The GOP in general has not even scratched the surface of
what would be possible in attacking the long list of Liberalism's consequences.

The present day Democratic party is concerned about only two things IMO.

1) Expanding the size and scope of the Federal Government
2) Demise of any opposition

Now I'm sure someone with faulty logic will translate this into "Conservatives are perfect."

Ah yes, those wimpy Republicans refusing to attack the opposition. Maybe attacking Obama more would have worked. Maybe they should have tried saying he was born out of the country, or being a secret Muslim, or being a socialist, or hating America, or something like that. No attack at all. The Republicans only offered their ideas and failed to attack Obama. Had they offered fewer ideas and attacked Obama more, clearly they would have won the election.

I guess we were watching totally different campaigns. The Romney campaign went after Obama's record a little bit at times. McCain's went after nothing.

Your inference that the only the Dems were on the attack and the GOP did "nothing" in the last two POTUS campaigns is delusional. Heck, at one point even Karl Rove criticized McCain for going to far.

I wish both sides would attack the opposition less and focus much more on selling us their own policy positions and plans.

[Edited on 5/26/2015 by gondicar]

I have also not seen or heard a GOP candidate refrain from attacking liberals, liberalism or Democrats. (Giulliani saying that Obama doesn't love the country comes to mind most recently). IMO the GOP knows how to attack and run attack ads.

STRONGLY disagree. The Romney and McCain campaigns both made a game of patty cake
look aggressive by comparison. The GOP in general has not even scratched the surface of
what would be possible in attacking the long list of Liberalism's consequences.

The present day Democratic party is concerned about only two things IMO.

1) Expanding the size and scope of the Federal Government
2) Demise of any opposition

Now I'm sure someone with faulty logic will translate this into "Conservatives are perfect."

Ah yes, those wimpy Republicans refusing to attack the opposition. Maybe attacking Obama more would have worked. Maybe they should have tried saying he was born out of the country, or being a secret Muslim, or being a socialist, or hating America, or something like that. No attack at all. The Republicans only offered their ideas and failed to attack Obama. Had they offered fewer ideas and attacked Obama more, clearly they would have won the election.

I guess we were watching totally different campaigns. The Romney campaign went after Obama's record a little bit at times. McCain's went after nothing.

Does it matter whether it was Romney or the Republican Super PAC money (or the Fox News Republican Network) that runs the attack ads and accusations? Clearly, you must have heard that Obama was not born in the USA and that Obama was some kind of a secret Muslim terrorist in disguise. But somehow the Republicans didn't attack Obama??? Wow!!!

The GOP in general has not even scratched the surface of
what would be possible in attacking the long list of Liberalism's consequences.

The present day Democratic party is concerned about only two things IMO.

1) Expanding the size and scope of the Federal Government
2) Demise of any opposition

Now I'm sure someone with faulty logic will translate this into "Conservatives are perfect."

Instead of wanting more attack on your enemies, why not ask the ones you support for more alternative ideas and policies, present them to the public and enact them? You know, govern?

IMO it's not a choice between one or the other. You have to do both. Attack AND present ideas and alternatives. The GOP must finally get over the theory that attacking Democrats relentlessly would turn off independents and undecided. Why would these voters hold the GOP to a different standard than Democrats for sportsmanship or fair play? I don't think they do.

The Romney campaign went after Obama's Does it matter whether it was Romney or the Republican Super PAC money (or the Fox News Republican Network) that runs the attack ads and accusations? Clearly, you must have heard that Obama was not born in the USA and that Obama was some kind of a secret Muslim terrorist in disguise. But somehow the Republicans didn't attack Obama??? Wow!!!

If you're interested in accuracy, it was first the 2008 Hillary Clinton campaign that trotted that one out. Didn't work for her either.

In the interim, show us the Romney ads that question O's citizenship and the ad that claims he's a Muslim terrorist. I don't remember seeing either one.

The GOP in general has not even scratched the surface of
what would be possible in attacking the long list of Liberalism's consequences.

The present day Democratic party is concerned about only two things IMO.

1) Expanding the size and scope of the Federal Government
2) Demise of any opposition

Now I'm sure someone with faulty logic will translate this into "Conservatives are perfect."

Instead of wanting more attack on your enemies, why not ask the ones you support for more alternative ideas and policies, present them to the public and enact them? You know, govern?

IMO it's not a choice between one or the other. You have to do both. Attack AND present ideas and alternatives. The GOP must finally get over the theory that attacking Democrats relentlessly would turn off independents and undecided. Why would these voters hold the GOP to a different standard than Democrats for sportsmanship or fair play? I don't think they do.

The problem is what you are saying is not true. McCann and Romney and the various GOP PAC's attacked Obama relentlessly during the campaigns. All you have to do is a quick Google search and you will come up with dozens of articles showing this.

Not saying the Dems don't do it as well but your claim that the GOP does not resort to mudslinging, so as not to offend the undecided 10-20% of the voters, is simply not true.

This is politics in general and neither side is innocent. And you wonder why Hillary has been silent so far? She is leading in the polls and it is in her best political interest to not give the GOP sound bites to attack. Sadly this is what our political system has degenerated to. 🙁

The Romney campaign went after Obama's Does it matter whether it was Romney or the Republican Super PAC money (or the Fox News Republican Network) that runs the attack ads and accusations? Clearly, you must have heard that Obama was not born in the USA and that Obama was some kind of a secret Muslim terrorist in disguise. But somehow the Republicans didn't attack Obama??? Wow!!!

If you're interested in accuracy, it was first the 2008 Hillary Clinton campaign that trotted that one out. Didn't work for her either.

In the interim, show us the Romney ads that question O's citizenship and the ad that claims he's a Muslim terrorist. I don't remember seeing either one.

I'm not saying that the Romney ad ran ads saying that, but again does it matter if it was Romney or a PAC that did it? Many people believe that Kerry lost due to a PAC ad that questioned his patriotism? So are you saying that ads from PACs don't qualify for anything? Those don't count as Republican's attacking? The Republicans were all rainbows and unicorns in their campaign because they let PACs and Fox News do all the dirty work with attacking? Strange world you live in.

The Romney campaign went after Obama's Does it matter whether it was Romney or the Republican Super PAC money (or the Fox News Republican Network) that runs the attack ads and accusations? Clearly, you must have heard that Obama was not born in the USA and that Obama was some kind of a secret Muslim terrorist in disguise. But somehow the Republicans didn't attack Obama??? Wow!!!

If you're interested in accuracy, it was first the 2008 Hillary Clinton campaign that trotted that one out. Didn't work for her either.

In the interim, show us the Romney ads that question O's citizenship and the ad that claims he's a Muslim terrorist. I don't remember seeing either one.

I'm not saying that the Romney ad ran ads saying that, but again does it matter if it was Romney or a PAC that did it? Many people believe that Kerry lost due to a PAC ad that questioned his patriotism? So are you saying that ads from PACs don't qualify for anything? Those don't count as Republican's attacking? The Republicans were all rainbows and unicorns in their campaign because they let PACs and Fox News do all the dirty work with attacking? Strange world you live in.

The fact that Romney and his camp would not condemn the attacks shows that he either lacked the balls to stand up to his PAC, or he believed the attacks were accurate.

I don't get what alloak is playing the victim here on behalf of McCain and Romney. Oh wait, I know. His guys lost so it must be because they didn't attack Obama hard enough. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

The GOP in general has not even scratched the surface of
what would be possible in attacking the long list of Liberalism's consequences.

The present day Democratic party is concerned about only two things IMO.

1) Expanding the size and scope of the Federal Government
2) Demise of any opposition

Now I'm sure someone with faulty logic will translate this into "Conservatives are perfect."

Instead of wanting more attack on your enemies, why not ask the ones you support for more alternative ideas and policies, present them to the public and enact them? You know, govern?

IMO it's not a choice between one or the other. You have to do both. Attack AND present ideas and alternatives. The GOP must finally get over the theory that attacking Democrats relentlessly would turn off independents and undecided. Why would these voters hold the GOP to a different standard than Democrats for sportsmanship or fair play? I don't think they do.

Don't worry, the GOP is over that theory (as if it was ever a theory they even heard of) as evidenced by every campaign since well, as long as I can remember.

The GOP in general has not even scratched the surface of
what would be possible in attacking the long list of Liberalism's consequences.

The present day Democratic party is concerned about only two things IMO.

1) Expanding the size and scope of the Federal Government
2) Demise of any opposition

Now I'm sure someone with faulty logic will translate this into "Conservatives are perfect."

Instead of wanting more attack on your enemies, why not ask the ones you support for more alternative ideas and policies, present them to the public and enact them? You know, govern?

IMO it's not a choice between one or the other. You have to do both. Attack AND present ideas and alternatives. The GOP must finally get over the theory that attacking Democrats relentlessly would turn off independents and undecided. Why would these voters hold the GOP to a different standard than Democrats for sportsmanship or fair play? I don't think they do.

Don't worry, the GOP is over that theory (as if it was ever a theory they even heard of) as evidenced by every campaign since well, as long as I can remember.

The last two didn't. McCain and Romney were a couple of marshmellows.

The Romney campaign went after Obama's Does it matter whether it was Romney or the Republican Super PAC money (or the Fox News Republican Network) that runs the attack ads and accusations? Clearly, you must have heard that Obama was not born in the USA and that Obama was some kind of a secret Muslim terrorist in disguise. But somehow the Republicans didn't attack Obama??? Wow!!!

If you're interested in accuracy, it was first the 2008 Hillary Clinton campaign that trotted that one out. Didn't work for her either.

In the interim, show us the Romney ads that question O's citizenship and the ad that claims he's a Muslim terrorist. I don't remember seeing either one.

I'm not saying that the Romney ad ran ads saying that, but again does it matter if it was Romney or a PAC that did it? Many people believe that Kerry lost due to a PAC ad that questioned his patriotism? So are you saying that ads from PACs don't qualify for anything? Those don't count as Republican's attacking? The Republicans were all rainbows and unicorns in their campaign because they let PACs and Fox News do all the dirty work with attacking? Strange world you live in.

The fact that Romney and his camp would not condemn the attacks shows that he either lacked the balls to stand up to his PAC, or he believed the attacks were accurate.

What so-called "attacks" are you talking about?

Don't forget Rev. Wright and of course the radical Bill Ayers......lol

all i ask of the GOP candidates is that they stop complaining and pointing fingers and start spending ALOT more time talking about alternative solutions to problems they perceive. the GOP lead congress could go a long way in helping them by actually doing something that they can come out and support.

The GOP does a very good job of making the Pres candidate look "above the fray", while the VEEP candidate, PACS, and other GOP spokespersons (ie Giulliani) do the dirty work.
McCain personally didn't attack much, but he didn't have to - everyone else did it for him.

I've heard GOP spokesman saying they like to give the partisan crowd some "red meat"

I have also not seen or heard a GOP candidate refrain from attacking liberals, liberalism or Democrats. (Giulliani saying that Obama doesn't love the country comes to mind most recently). IMO the GOP knows how to attack and run attack ads.

STRONGLY disagree. The Romney and McCain campaigns both made a game of patty cake
look aggressive by comparison. The GOP in general has not even scratched the surface of
what would be possible in attacking the long list of Liberalism's consequences.

The present day Democratic party is concerned about only two things IMO.

1) Expanding the size and scope of the Federal Government
2) Demise of any opposition

Now I'm sure someone with faulty logic will translate this into "Conservatives are perfect."

Ah yes, those wimpy Republicans refusing to attack the opposition. Maybe attacking Obama more would have worked. Maybe they should have tried saying he was born out of the country, or being a secret Muslim, or being a socialist, or hating America, or something like that. No attack at all. The Republicans only offered their ideas and failed to attack Obama. Had they offered fewer ideas and attacked Obama more, clearly they would have won the election.

I guess we were watching totally different campaigns. The Romney campaign went after Obama's record a little bit at times. McCain's went after nothing.

Not sure what campaigns you were watching Alloak. It took me 5 seconds to pull up numerous articles of the Romney campaign and Republicans in general attacking Obama calling him a liar and weak. Google is you friend my friend 😉

I don't get what alloak is playing the victim here on behalf of McCain and Romney. Oh wait, I know. His guys lost so it must be because they didn't attack Obama hard enough. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Defending those 2...yet he always rails for a true conservative as having a better chance... more so than those who were somewhat center / right.

alloak, wishes & hopes going out to you that you get that true conservative this time around. In the end, it won't make a difference. You can take that to the bank.

all i ask of the GOP candidates is that they stop complaining and pointing fingers and start spending ALOT more time talking about alternative solutions to problems they perceive. the GOP lead congress could go a long way in helping them by actually doing something that they can come out and support.

The GOP alternative solutions are voting against & campaigning against all things Obama & attempting yet failing to repeal Obamacare how many times? Beyond that...not much - just doing an honest job & working for ordinary people.

all i ask of the GOP candidates is that they stop complaining and pointing fingers and start spending ALOT more time talking about alternative solutions to problems they perceive. the GOP lead congress could go a long way in helping them by actually doing something that they can come out and support.

The GOP alternative solutions are voting against & campaigning against all things Obama & attempting yet failing to repeal Obamacare how many times? Beyond that...not much - just doing an honest job & working for ordinary people.

True to form, lets put it on the GOP. It's the Obama Show. The Democrats are in charge and have been for about seven years.

ALWAYS someone else's fault.

I don't get what alloak is playing the victim here on behalf of McCain and Romney. Oh wait, I know. His guys lost so it must be because they didn't attack Obama hard enough. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Defending those 2...yet he always rails for a true conservative as having a better chance... more so than those who were somewhat center / right.

Defending those two? Playing the victim for them? Wow, you sure? I've fallen just short of coming out and calling them spineless wimps.

[Edited on 5/26/2015 by alloak41]

I don't get what alloak is playing the victim here on behalf of McCain and Romney. Oh wait, I know. His guys lost so it must be because they didn't attack Obama hard enough. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Defending those 2...yet he always rails for a true conservative as having a better chance... more so than those who were somewhat center / right.

Defending those two? Playing the victim for them? Wow, you sure? I've fallen just short of coming out and calling them spineless wimps.

[Edited on 5/26/2015 by alloak41]

Typical alloak. Against everything, supports nobody. Or at least nobody relevant. 😛

all i ask of the GOP candidates is that they stop complaining and pointing fingers and start spending ALOT more time talking about alternative solutions to problems they perceive. the GOP lead congress could go a long way in helping them by actually doing something that they can come out and support.

The GOP alternative solutions are voting against & campaigning against all things Obama & attempting yet failing to repeal Obamacare how many times? Beyond that...not much - just doing an honest job & working for ordinary people.

True to form, lets put it on the GOP. It's the Obama Show. The Democrats are in charge and have been for about seven years.

ALWAYS someone else's fault.

Except the GOP runs the house and the senate..... talk about disingenuous..... and you can play the BLAME card all you want - nobody is buying it.....

all i ask of the GOP candidates is that they stop complaining and pointing fingers and start spending ALOT more time talking about alternative solutions to problems they perceive. the GOP lead congress could go a long way in helping them by actually doing something that they can come out and support.

The GOP alternative solutions are voting against & campaigning against all things Obama & attempting yet failing to repeal Obamacare how many times? Beyond that...not much - just doing an honest job & working for ordinary people.

True to form, lets put it on the GOP. It's the Obama Show. The Democrats are in charge and have been for about seven years.

ALWAYS someone else's fault.

Except the GOP runs the house and the senate..... talk about disingenuous..... and you can play the BLAME card all you want - nobody is buying it.....

Why not? Obama has been playing the BLAME card for almost seven years and you don't have a problem buying it.

all i ask of the GOP candidates is that they stop complaining and pointing fingers and start spending ALOT more time talking about alternative solutions to problems they perceive. the GOP lead congress could go a long way in helping them by actually doing something that they can come out and support.

The GOP alternative solutions are voting against & campaigning against all things Obama & attempting yet failing to repeal Obamacare how many times? Beyond that...not much - just doing an honest job & working for ordinary people.

True to form, lets put it on the GOP. It's the Obama Show. The Democrats are in charge and have been for about seven years.

ALWAYS someone else's fault.

Except the GOP runs the house and the senate..... talk about disingenuous..... and you can play the BLAME card all you want - nobody is buying it.....

Why not? Obama has been playing the BLAME card for almost seven years and you don't have a problem buying it.

You have been playing the same game, except that you blame the Democrats.

The Republicans have been in control for awhile. Not much has happened other than the price of gas going up and the stock market going down.

The Republicans have been in control for awhile. Not much has happened other than the price of gas going up and the stock market going down.

You guys crack me up.

The Republicans have been in control for awhile. Not much has happened other than the price of gas going up and the stock market going down.

You guys crack me up.

Lame answer, but probably the best you can do.

Where are all of these great things the Republicans were going to do when they got control? Seems like that are completely out of ideas other than opposing everything. Please show us what they have done.

I'm sensing a desire to put the entire Obama tenure in the Republican's lap. Not that I'm even a little surprised, but why?

The GOP in "control?" That's laughable. They haven't had the votes to control anything.

I'm sensing a desire to put the entire Obama tenure in the Republican's lap. Not that I'm even a little surprised, but why?

The GOP in "control?" That's laughable. They haven't had the votes to control anything.

Boehner can't control his own GOP HOR caucus. I believe Senator Ted Cruz has more influence in the House than Boehner. You do remember Ted orchestrated the closing of the government with his influence in the House. Cruz should be the next GOP candidate for POTUS. The country needs visionaries like Ted.