Well, Well the conservative turtles here have finally popped their heads out of their shells to take the risk to actually propose possible candidates for the 2016 GOP presidential race. 😛
I agree with those who said Bush is the most viable but I think he is too centrist for the GOP hardcore and ultimately the stink of his brother will be his undoing.
Rand Paul is the only candidate so far I find intriguing as most of the time he actually sounds reasonable and grounded in the issues but then he makes some odd left field comment and sounds as crazy as the other GOP wannabes. Have to admit he sounds like the most reasonable GOP candidate so far to me despite his occasional brain farts.
Ben Carson reminds me of that crazy aunt we all have who has no filter and says whatever pops into her mind at family functions and has us laughing and shaking our heads. I just hope he makes it through the GOP debates before he completely implodes as it should be fun to hear what crazy stuff he says.
[Edited on 3/16/2015 by Bill_Graham]
I don't think Bush is all that viable. He has a lot of negatives which is probably why so many Democrats like him right now. He neutralizes Clinton's "dynasty" issue.
I don't agree with Ben Carson on politics, but he's clearly very intelligent and might possess all the skills needed to successfully run this country. But how on Earth will conservatives justify him as a serious candidate when they spent the last 6 years bashing Obama for his inexperience in politics?
They won't. He's not a serious candidate.
The republicans must nominate a true conservative that has the conviction to stand up for those values or they will lose again. It is funny the democrats and the media always try to push a "moderate" candidate and then will trash him when he gets the nomination just as they did to Romney. A moderate candidate is a Rhino and you when you put a democrat against a democrat light the democrat will win all the time. I really do not believe the republicans will nominate Jeb.
The GOP needs to nominate a principled conservative with a common touch and strong personal appeal who can overcome the lies and garbage the Democrats and the media will throw with good humor and a twinkle in his eye. He will need to explain why conservative ideas are good for the public at large. He can be a strong conservative but not an ideologue. That is how Reagan became president. I believe Rubio can be that man but it is early.
A lot of truth in there.
The U.S. Presidential race is a highly financed popularity contest.
We The People have very little to do with which candidates are chosen to run by their respective parties. After the primaries it is all about ad-buys and media face time.
Debates have become a farce because the “moderator” is almost always a highly partisan media personality. The rules of the debate reduce the actual banter to sound-bite blasts.
Well, it is still the best system around…
What are the conservative values, here is a start
#1 reduce the size of government and it's waste of tax payer money
#2 reduce taxes for all - a matter of fact get rid of the tax code and the IRS
#3 Close the border, no amnesty, then work on immigration reform
#4 repeal Obama care
And also someone who has the moral fiber to actually run a government that is transparent unlike what we have now.
#1 reduce the size of government and it's waste of tax payer money
Ok, cool. Which part of the government?
#2 reduce taxes for all - a matter of fact get rid of the tax code and the IRS
The notion of reducing taxes always sounds good to everyone. Then it gets very complicated.
#3 Close the border, no amnesty, then work on immigration reform
I agree on premise but logistically it's practically impossible to "close the border." The matter of no amnesty...America needs to be honest with itself as far as just how ingrained people are within our society.
And, no, I don't support illegal immigration.
#4 repeal Obama care
The only question to that is...will the Republicans do anything about the people they will take health insurance away from if they were to obtain a full repeal?
The republicans must nominate a true conservative that has the conviction to stand up for those values or they will lose again. It is funny the democrats and the media always try to push a "moderate" candidate and then will trash him when he gets the nomination just as they did to Romney. A moderate candidate is a Rhino and you when you put a democrat against a democrat light the democrat will win all the time. I really do not believe the republicans will nominate Jeb.
The GOP needs to nominate a principled conservative with a common touch and strong personal appeal who can overcome the lies and garbage the Democrats and the media will throw with good humor and a twinkle in his eye. He will need to explain why conservative ideas are good for the public at large. He can be a strong conservative but not an ideologue. That is how Reagan became president. I believe Rubio can be that man but it is early.
Do Republicans throw lies and garbage too? Curious...
I don't agree with Ben Carson on politics, but he's clearly very intelligent and might possess all the skills needed to successfully run this country. But how on Earth will conservatives justify him as a serious candidate when they spent the last 6 years bashing Obama for his inexperience in politics?
I don't remember it that way exactly. It was his lack of experience outside of politics that was just as much of a concern.
What are the conservative values, here is a start
#1 reduce the size of government and it's waste of tax payer money
#2 reduce taxes for all - a matter of fact get rid of the tax code and the IRS
#3 Close the border, no amnesty, then work on immigration reform
#4 repeal Obama careAnd also someone who has the moral fiber to actually run a government that is transparent unlike what we have now.
#1 - The US government now has the fewest employees since July 1966. I'm not going to deny there is government waste. There always has been and there always will be. But since we have the fewest government employees in almost 50 years, despite all the increased "spying" they are doing now (which until recently seemed to be a great thing to conservatives), I'm always interested to hear what bloated agency people think we should cut. Let me guess, that worthless EPA agency that helps protect the water we drink and the air we breath. I already know they are worthless. Anything else?
#2 - Everyone likes paying lower taxes, but realistically with nearly the lowest tax rate in history and growing debt, how much lower can it go without completely scraping the US military and eliminating social security (and thereby breaking promises to our seniors and throwing them out on the streets)?
#3 - You do know that it is impossible to completely close the border. But, with all the panic about the US illegal immigration it seems that most people don't know that illegal immigration has been down, way down. Although not shown on the chart, I believe illegal immigration is now net zero (as many illegals leaving as arriving).
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We survived 200 years without the Department of Education. Whack it.
Ask some serious questions. Do we really need a Dept of Commerce and Dept of Labor, for instance? Really?
With all the crazy stuff Carson says on a regular basis how can anyone take the man seriously as a Presidential candidate? Even Glen Beck commented on how dumb "his jail makes you gay" comment was. The Democrats could only dream this guy gets the GOP nomination.
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#1 reduce the size of government and it's waste of tax payer moneyOk, cool. Which part of the government?
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#2 reduce taxes for all - a matter of fact get rid of the tax code and the IRSThe notion of reducing taxes always sounds good to everyone. Then it gets very complicated.
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#3 Close the border, no amnesty, then work on immigration reformI agree on premise but logistically it's practically impossible to "close the border." The matter of no amnesty...America needs to be honest with itself as far as just how ingrained people are within our society.
And, no, I don't support illegal immigration.
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#4 repeal Obama careThe only question to that is...will the Republicans do anything about the people they will take health insurance away from if they were to obtain a full repeal?
#1 Put your favorite Government agency here , It can reduced across the board
Department of Education
Department of the treasury -= get rid of tax code and IRS
Department of health and human services - 958 Billion $'s in 2014, $7,789 spent for every household in America
HUD
Homeland Security and just about every other agency there is
#2 Taxes. I believe and I Believe that it has been proven is the reducing the tax rate will actually increase government revenue. Both JFK and Reagan did this. There is a negative correlation between tax rate and revenue. It;' good for the economy and good for the American citizen period.
#3 I should have said secure the border. Do you think that is impossible. Legal immigration attracted people to this county to find work and have a better life. Obama is supporting illegal immigration and promoting the hand outs that is stealing from the American worker. 35k in income tax credit are you kidding me?
#4 Obama care is and was sold on a false premise and it will increase health cost dramatically
Yes the republicans must come up with a plan of thier own but we can not be held hostage by one of the worst written laws ever passed with most not having even have read it before voting for it
We survived 200 years without the Department of Education. Whack it.
Ask some serious questions. Do we really need a Dept of Commerce and Dept of Labor, for instance? Really?
Yeah, who needs the Department of Mine Safety? All those pesky OSHA safety rules that are always getting in the way of company profits. And the Patent and Trademark Office nobody needs. We also don't need oversight of trade with other countries - nope - no benefit there. I'm sure if we eliminate these three agencies we could all save an average of 75 cents a year on our tax bill. Count me in!
If it wasn't for the baggage associated with his brother, I think Bush could win the general election. He could generate lots of crossover appeal and he is still popular in Florida, a battleground state with lots of electoral votes. I'm just not sure if he can get past W's legacy.
Lord. I hope not. If Jeb gets the nomination, be prepared to see Dubya's picture on the
TV screen 24/7. Jeb would lose.
That would actually help him IMO because it would show the contrast between how dumb W was and how much smarter Jeb is. The more you see and hear of W the smarter Jeb will look. It is quite obvious at least to me when you hear each of them speak. Jeb might not be the greatest at reading a teleprompter but he is far, far more adept at answering spontaneous questions which W usually looked and sounded as dumb as a rock doing.
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We survived 200 years without the Department of Education. Whack it.
Ask some serious questions. Do we really need a Dept of Commerce and Dept of Labor, for instance? Really?
The kicker politically is saying you want to get rid of the Department of Education without sounding like or getting painted as anti-education. Not as easy as it sounds.
Some things under the DoC we need for sure, NOAA, for instance. But certainly a reduction and re-org is not out of the question.
#1 Put your favorite Government agency here , It can reduced across the board
Department of Education
Department of the treasury -= get rid of tax code and IRS
Department of health and human services - 958 Billion $'s in 2014, $7,789 spent for every household in AmericaHUD
Homeland Security and just about every other agency there is
Sure, I fully agree things have gotten much too bloated and it got that way in a truly bi-partisan manner.
#2 Taxes. I believe and I Believe that it has been proven is the reducing the tax rate will actually increase government revenue. Both JFK and Reagan did this. There is a negative correlation between tax rate and revenue. It;' good for the economy and good for the American citizen period.
I agree that just about any other way of taxation should be considered at this point. It's just the actually doing it thing...
#3 I should have said secure the border. Do you think that is impossible. Legal immigration attracted people to this county to find work and have a better life. Obama is supporting illegal immigration and promoting the hand outs that is stealing from the American worker. 35k in income tax credit are you kidding me?
I firmly believe that the 2013 Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act addressed so many issues and would have done so much good on this issue. Apparently some in Congress placed hatred of their enemies above it. The Obama EO on immigration was to me a "you won't do anything so I will" action. Congress doesn't actually DO anything on immigration.
#4 Obama care is and was sold on a false premise and it will increase health cost dramatically
Yes the republicans must come up with a plan of thier own but we can not be held hostage by one of the worst written laws ever passed with most not having even have read it before voting for it
The jury is still out on the overall impact, and that's definitely a set of laws that look different to different people.
We survived 200 years without the Department of Education. Whack it.
Ask some serious questions. Do we really need a Dept of Commerce and Dept of Labor, for instance? Really?
Yeah, who needs the Department of Mine Safety? All those pesky OSHA safety rules that are always getting in the way of company profits. And the Patent and Trademark Office nobody needs. We also don't need oversight of trade with other countries - nope - no benefit there. I'm sure if we eliminate these three agencies we could all save an average of 75 cents a year on our tax bill. Count me in!
Well done! Rick Perry is still trying to remember that 3rd agency he wanted to whack last election debates. 😛
We survived 200 years without the Department of Education. Whack it.
Ask some serious questions. Do we really need a Dept of Commerce and Dept of Labor, for instance? Really?
Yeah, who needs the Department of Mine Safety? All those pesky OSHA safety rules that are always getting in the way of company profits. And the Patent and Trademark Office nobody needs. We also don't need oversight of trade with other countries - nope - no benefit there. I'm sure if we eliminate these three agencies we could all save an average of 75 cents a year on our tax bill. Count me in!
Well done! Rick Perry is still trying to remember that 3rd agency he wanted to whack last election debates. 😛
Well done? It's precisely this kind of thinking that ensures that NO cuts will EVER be made.
Ask yourself this. How important will the Trademark Office or the Dept of Education be when debt interest consumes half the budget? Just handling the bare basics will be a problem at that point, and that's where we're headed unless we start thinking out of the box. The time to start making tough choices is NOW.
That's one of the main reasons I support Carson. His #1 priority is getting the budget under control.
We survived 200 years without the Department of Education. Whack it.
Ask some serious questions. Do we really need a Dept of Commerce and Dept of Labor, for instance? Really?
Yeah, who needs the Department of Mine Safety? All those pesky OSHA safety rules that are always getting in the way of company profits. And the Patent and Trademark Office nobody needs. We also don't need oversight of trade with other countries - nope - no benefit there. I'm sure if we eliminate these three agencies we could all save an average of 75 cents a year on our tax bill. Count me in!
Well done! Rick Perry is still trying to remember that 3rd agency he wanted to whack last election debates. 😛
Well done? It's precisely this kind of thinking that ensures that NO cuts will EVER be made.
Ask yourself this. How important will the Trademark Office or the Dept of Education be when debt interest consumes half the budget? Just handling the bare basics will be a problem at that point, and that's where we're headed unless we start thinking out of the box. The time to start making tough choices is NOW.
That's one of the main reasons I support Carson. His #1 priority is getting the budget under control.
How will cutting these minor departments get the budget under control? They are a minute part of the budget. The big financial drag on this country is defense spending. There isn't a Republican alive who will cut that in any meaningful way. The last president to make series military cuts was Clinton and the Republicans were all over him on that. The GOP won't do anything to offend their military corporate supporters.
What are the conservative values, here is a start
#1 reduce the size of government and it's waste of tax payer money
#2 reduce taxes for all - a matter of fact get rid of the tax code and the IRS
#3 Close the border, no amnesty, then work on immigration reform
#4 repeal Obama careAnd also someone who has the moral fiber to actually run a government that is transparent unlike what we have now.
#5 Run on or away from social issues & womens' issues?
Keep in mind that the last 2 prez. elections woman votes have been + double digits for Dem. candidate.
We survived 200 years without the Department of Education. Whack it.
Ask some serious questions. Do we really need a Dept of Commerce and Dept of Labor, for instance? Really?
Yeah, who needs the Department of Mine Safety? All those pesky OSHA safety rules that are always getting in the way of company profits. And the Patent and Trademark Office nobody needs. We also don't need oversight of trade with other countries - nope - no benefit there. I'm sure if we eliminate these three agencies we could all save an average of 75 cents a year on our tax bill. Count me in!
Well done! Rick Perry is still trying to remember that 3rd agency he wanted to whack last election debates. 😛
Well done? It's precisely this kind of thinking that ensures that NO cuts will EVER be made.
Ask yourself this. How important will the Trademark Office or the Dept of Education be when debt interest consumes half the budget? Just handling the bare basics will be a problem at that point, and that's where we're headed unless we start thinking out of the box. The time to start making tough choices is NOW.
That's one of the main reasons I support Carson. His #1 priority is getting the budget under control.
How will cutting these minor departments get the budget under control? They are a minute part of the budget. The big financial drag on this country is defense spending. There isn't a Republican alive who will cut that in any meaningful way. The last president to make series military cuts was Clinton and the Republicans were all over him on that. The GOP won't do anything to offend their military corporate supporters.
Actually, entitlements dwarf defense.
These departments don't look expensive year to year, but multiply out over 5, 10, 20 years and the cumulative savings add up tremendously.
I'm in favor of cutting defense, but not simply because it looks like an attractive item. I'd favor smart cuts. The number one function of the government is protecting us and defending us, so I'm a little more wary of putting a price on defense. Cut too much, we need it and it's not there. How much does that cost?
Gotta watch that word "entitlement." Doesn't poll well at all.
Yes, I'm in full politigeek mode. 
Gotta watch that word "entitlement." Doesn't poll well at all.
Yes, I'm in full politigeek mode.
Hand outs? Whoops.....NO!
Safety nets? Ouch!
Gotta watch that word "entitlement." Doesn't poll well at all.
Yes, I'm in full politigeek mode.
Hand outs? Whoops.....NO!
Safety nets? Ouch!
"Entitlements" polls really badly with older Medicare recipients who feel that a system they contributed to their whole working lives is anything but an entitlement, a term they resent because they "paid into it."
"Hand outs" doesn't work much better, everyone wants their Social Security too.
"Safety nets" does sound better, yes. 😛
Gotta watch that word "entitlement." Doesn't poll well at all.
Yes, I'm in full politigeek mode.
Hand outs? Whoops.....NO!
Safety nets? Ouch!
I have no idea how old you are, but are you OK with the elimination of Medicare and Social Security, even though you have been paying for it since you started working?
We survived 200 years without the Department of Education. Whack it.
Ask some serious questions. Do we really need a Dept of Commerce and Dept of Labor, for instance? Really?
Yeah, who needs the Department of Mine Safety? All those pesky OSHA safety rules that are always getting in the way of company profits. And the Patent and Trademark Office nobody needs. We also don't need oversight of trade with other countries - nope - no benefit there. I'm sure if we eliminate these three agencies we could all save an average of 75 cents a year on our tax bill. Count me in!
Well done! Rick Perry is still trying to remember that 3rd agency he wanted to whack last election debates. 😛
Well done? It's precisely this kind of thinking that ensures that NO cuts will EVER be made.
Ask yourself this. How important will the Trademark Office or the Dept of Education be when debt interest consumes half the budget? Just handling the bare basics will be a problem at that point, and that's where we're headed unless we start thinking out of the box. The time to start making tough choices is NOW.
That's one of the main reasons I support Carson. His #1 priority is getting the budget under control.
How will cutting these minor departments get the budget under control? They are a minute part of the budget. The big financial drag on this country is defense spending. There isn't a Republican alive who will cut that in any meaningful way. The last president to make series military cuts was Clinton and the Republicans were all over him on that. The GOP won't do anything to offend their military corporate supporters.
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“The big financial drag on this country is defense spending”
The Dept. of Defense is what keep our country safe and allows even the liberals to enjoy the freedoms they protect.
Clinton cut the defense budget to the point it took well over a year to ramp back up to go after the Islamic Extremist Terrorists that attacked us on 9/11.
Clinton also cut the defense budget so deeply that he had soldiers and their families on food stamps.
You also failed to mention the other major drag; entitlements.
Billions of dollars every year are paid out to fraudulent claims. There are no controls in place and actually working to stop it.
Obama himself claimed that ObamaCare would save us $500 million a year but he has yet to even begin to clamp down on the fraud.
Every time Republicans try to cut out the waste, fraud and abuse the democrats go running to the media claiming “The GOP wants to cut education, take food from children and hurt senior citizens”.
Pure political rap that does not solve the budget and debt problems.
The democrats never offer any solutions, only rhetoric.
By “corporate supporters” can we also assume you mean the Wall Street donations obama and Hillary are raking in by the hundreds of millions of dollars?
The GOP will never offend and will always support The Military.
We respect our Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines and respect the sacrifices they make to keep us safe and free.
Cutting corporate welfare would be a nice place to start.
Follow the link for source citations:
About $59 billion is spent on traditional social welfare programs. $92 billion is spent on corporate subsidies. So, the government spent 50% more on corporate welfare than it did on food stamps and housing assistance in 2006.
Before we look at the details, a heartfelt plea from the Save the CEO’s Charitable Trust:There’s so much suffering in the world. It can all get pretty overwhelming sometimes. Consider, for a moment the sorrow in the eyes of a CEO who’s just found out that his end-of-year bonus is only going to be a paltry $2.3 million.
“It felt like a slap in the face. Imagine what it would feel like just before Christmas to find out that you’re going to be forced to scrape by on your standard $8.4 million compensation package alone. Imagine what is was like to have to look into my daughter’s face and tell her that I couldn’t afford to both buy her a dollar sign shaped island and hire someone to chew her food from now on, too. To put her in that situation of having to choose… She’s only a child for God’s sake.”
It doesn’t have to be this way. Thanks to federal subsidies from taxpayers like you, CEO’s like G. Allen Andreas of Archer Daniels Midland was able to take home almost $14 million in executive compensation last year. But he’s one of the lucky ones. There are still corporations out there that actually have to provide goods and services to their consumers in order to survive. They need your help.
For just $93 billion a year the federal government is able to provide a better life for these CEO’s and their families. That’s less than the cost of 240 million cups of coffee a day. Won’t you help a needy corporation today?
Cutting corporate welfare would be a nice place to start.
Follow the link for source citations:
About $59 billion is spent on traditional social welfare programs. $92 billion is spent on corporate subsidies. So, the government spent 50% more on corporate welfare than it did on food stamps and housing assistance in 2006.
Before we look at the details, a heartfelt plea from the Save the CEO’s Charitable Trust:There’s so much suffering in the world. It can all get pretty overwhelming sometimes. Consider, for a moment the sorrow in the eyes of a CEO who’s just found out that his end-of-year bonus is only going to be a paltry $2.3 million.
“It felt like a slap in the face. Imagine what it would feel like just before Christmas to find out that you’re going to be forced to scrape by on your standard $8.4 million compensation package alone. Imagine what is was like to have to look into my daughter’s face and tell her that I couldn’t afford to both buy her a dollar sign shaped island and hire someone to chew her food from now on, too. To put her in that situation of having to choose… She’s only a child for God’s sake.”
It doesn’t have to be this way. Thanks to federal subsidies from taxpayers like you, CEO’s like G. Allen Andreas of Archer Daniels Midland was able to take home almost $14 million in executive compensation last year. But he’s one of the lucky ones. There are still corporations out there that actually have to provide goods and services to their consumers in order to survive. They need your help.
For just $93 billion a year the federal government is able to provide a better life for these CEO’s and their families. That’s less than the cost of 240 million cups of coffee a day. Won’t you help a needy corporation today?
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Do you mean like the "Corporate Welfare" obama has handed out the his political supporters in the in failed "Green Energy" scam like Solyndra?
We survived 200 years without the Department of Education. Whack it.
Ask some serious questions. Do we really need a Dept of Commerce and Dept of Labor, for instance? Really?
Yeah, who needs the Department of Mine Safety? All those pesky OSHA safety rules that are always getting in the way of company profits. And the Patent and Trademark Office nobody needs. We also don't need oversight of trade with other countries - nope - no benefit there. I'm sure if we eliminate these three agencies we could all save an average of 75 cents a year on our tax bill. Count me in!
Well done! Rick Perry is still trying to remember that 3rd agency he wanted to whack last election debates. 😛
Well done? It's precisely this kind of thinking that ensures that NO cuts will EVER be made.
Ask yourself this. How important will the Trademark Office or the Dept of Education be when debt interest consumes half the budget? Just handling the bare basics will be a problem at that point, and that's where we're headed unless we start thinking out of the box. The time to start making tough choices is NOW.
That's one of the main reasons I support Carson. His #1 priority is getting the budget under control.
It was a joke Alloak. This is the kind of irrational knee jerk response I would expect from your buddy mule not you my friend.
But since you mentioned we could start cutting the low hanging fruit like defense and coporate handouts. then we could cut the tax loop holes for the rich so us middle class worker bees don't have to carry the whole load.
Carson has no social skills so he will never get elected so stop your dreaming. Yeah we really need a lunatic in office who thinks prison turns people gay so that makes it a choice.
Has anyone mentioned Aaron Schock as a potential candidate?
