Anybody read that four Islamic Militants were arrested in a plot to knife Queen Elizabeth to death? Anyone still feel that pro Israeli sentiment is the reason behind anti American feelings from the mid-east?
If they put her in an orange jumpsuit in a be-heading video, I do not think I could watch that.
Anybody read that four Islamic Militants were arrested in a plot to knife Queen Elizabeth to death? Anyone still feel that pro Israeli sentiment is the reason behind anti American feelings from the mid-east?
Whether or not pro-Israeli sentiment is a factor, your post does not at all clarify what you are suggesting as another reason for anti-American feelings from the mid-east. Why would anti-American feelings cause Islamic militants to murder the Queen of England? Wouldn't that be more of an anti-British action?
Why would a plot to knife Her Majesty necessarily prove that Islamic militants were not upset over America's support of Israel?
Baffled,
BrerRabbit
(and Gina, thanks for the visual, you just made anyone with half an imagination watch that)
[Edited on 11/13/2014 by BrerRabbit]
Anybody read that four Islamic Militants were arrested in a plot to knife Queen Elizabeth to death? Anyone still feel that pro Israeli sentiment is the reason behind anti American feelings from the mid-east?
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The two issues have nothing to do with each other.
The Islamic terrorists believe they must kill all non- muslims for allah.
They are also accepting donations...
Anybody read that four Islamic Militants were arrested in a plot to knife Queen Elizabeth to death? Anyone still feel that pro Israeli sentiment is the reason behind anti American feelings from the mid-east?
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The two issues have nothing to do with each other.
The Islamic terrorists believe they must kill all non- muslims for allah.
They are also accepting donations...
Bingo; you wine the prize!!!!!!!
plot to knife Queen Elizabeth to death
If they had tried this in 1776 we would regard them as heroes to this very day, along with the other anti-British insurgents and terrorists who founded our country.
plot to knife Queen Elizabeth to death
If they had tried this in 1776 we would regard them as heroes to this very day ...
C'mon man ... the Queen Mother ain't that old!
She isn't getting older, she's getting better!
plot to knife Queen Elizabeth to death
If they had tried this in 1776 we would regard them as heroes to this very day ...
C'mon man ... the Queen Mother ain't that old!
Yeah...But F*%$@!g close
is not even close to becoming her mother. The last "Queen Mother" was aunt clara from bewitched!!!!
Anybody read that four Islamic Militants were arrested in a plot to knife Queen Elizabeth to death? Anyone still feel that pro Israeli sentiment is the reason behind anti American feelings from the mid-east?
Whether or not pro-Israeli sentiment is a factor, your post does not at all clarify what you are suggesting as another reason for anti-American feelings from the mid-east. Why would anti-American feelings cause Islamic militants to murder the Queen of England? Wouldn't that be more of an anti-British action?
Why would a plot to knife Her Majesty necessarily prove that Islamic militants were not upset over America's support of Israel?
Baffled,
BrerRabbit
(and Gina, thanks for the visual, you just made anyone with half an imagination watch that)
[Edited on 11/13/2014 by BrerRabbit]
You and others persist in assuming the jihadists see the world as we see it. They don't see England and the United States and Israel. They see the world of Islam and the world of non-Islam. They see themselves and they see the West. Queen Elizabeth, President Obama, same thing.
Actually, I agree dougrhon. However, my response was against what I perceive as a smug attempt to single out Islam as being more likely to cause this behavior. Extremists of all stripes, political or religious, tend towards the "us vs them" view, "them" being anyone who doesn't swim in their particular fishbowl, pretty much everyone else.
Islamic jihadists are certainly not the only ones guilty of this lethal myopia. Any fundamentalist absolutist philosophy will generate similar behavior under the proper conditions of stress, disenfranchisement, and desperation. I guarantee you that if the US economy tanks, you will see the extreme Christian right show its true colors, and become a militant organization with tactics and practices much similar to the extreme Muslims. Guys like Ralph Reed are out there, just waiting to pounce, and they are every bit as mean and sinister as these Islamic mofos.
The rise of gonzo Islam is directly a result of failed US policy in the Mideast. The continual turmoil and poverty is a breeding ground for extreme hate. Happens every time, everywhere, when the world goes to sh*t.
There are other poor impoverished nations outside of the Middle East; I don't see other people beheading people.
The rise of gonzo Islam is directly a result of failed US policy in the Mideast.
I don't buy that. These are deep seeded issues/conflicts that have been raging since before th USA existed.
These are deep seeded issues/conflicts that have been raging since before th USA existed
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True, however now that the region is a blasted waste, due to the western botch job, any deep-seated animosities now have room to flourish unchecked. It's a post-apocalyptic warzone over there, conditions that are beyond the grasp of our American imagination.
Look at the American South during reconstruction, perfect example of a breeding ground for political and religious extremism, so you end up with the rise of the Ku Klux Klan. If the South had not pulled itself together and remained in tatters, the ultra-Christian KKK could have risen to considerable power. Very similar to extreme Islam. What sort of society could we expect if groups like that held sway? What's worse, beheading or lynching?
Re your other poor impoverished nations, pretty much all of them are rife with extreme violence and strife. There is plenty as bad as beheading going on. The US just isn't interested because it doesn't affect our National Interest.
[Edited on 11/19/2014 by BrerRabbit]
plot to knife Queen Elizabeth to death
If they had tried this in 1776 we would regard them as heroes to this very day, along with the other anti-British insurgents and terrorists who founded our country.
Funny thing is we now regard ourselves as freedom fighters who were persecuted by a tyrannical British regime. But when we set up frontier towns, they were not just persecuted church people, there was always a saloon with dancing girls. Were these persecuted freedom fighters or were they people who just wanted to do what they wanted and came to a lawless land to do it?
When others objected to some of these things, American jurisprudence was born, in one horse towns with sheriffs and jails. Women who could only keep their mouths shut for so long, beat their carpets, swept the floors of their houses, and the men began building businesses, swinging axes and using sledgehammers to help build railroads, starting the pony express and every other grit and gumption business. Colonialist ambitions got us where we are today, but where will we end up?
[Edited on 11/21/2014 by gina]
Or it is possible that it was just 4 nuts who would be crazy regardless of religion or nationality.
Who is "they"? Every Muslim in the world? If "they" wanted to kill every non-Muslim and were all ready to strap on explosives, don't you think a few more would have done so? Exactly how many terrorist attacks have there been on US soil since 9/11? Considering the number of Muslims in the US then "they" are pretty fu*king bad at it.
Are there radicals? Without a doubt. Just as there are crazy ass militia all over the US. Same with the robber who shot someone, drug dealers killing over territory, gang members and anyone else who kills.
Now the more often we go over bombing and "trying" to fix them, the more nuts we will attract. The cost of killing people is that now their families want to kill you. One poor soul gets beheaded and the world is in horror while rockets/bullets are fired killing people on all sides each day. Our kills are celebrated and reported and that is different or less sick?
There will be a Royal visit to America, Prince William and Kate Middleton, Duchess of Cambridge are coming and their concern is not with terrorism, but with disrespectful reporters.
Royals Remind American Journalists of Dress Code for Royal visits
"Journalists wishing to cover Royal engagements, whether in the United Kingdom or abroad, should comply with the dress code on formal occasions out of respect for the guests of The Queen, or any other member of the Royal Family. Smart attire for men includes the wearing of a jacket and tie, and for women a trouser or skirt suit. Those wearing jeans or trainers will not be admitted and casually dressed members of the media will be turned away. This also applies to technicians."
Palace guidelines state the journalists should wear smart attire at all times "out of respect" and warns that "casually dressed members of the media will be turned away".
http://www.royal.gov.uk/LatestNewsandDiary/Mediaguidelines/Overseasengagements.aspx
Remarks: They have a different culture there. People respect their rulers. There will be some here who want to push the freedom issue, who are you to tell us how to dress, we can come however we want to, yell out questions without being recognized and demand you answer them even if they are insulting and improper. They won't. They will not get down and dirty with US reporters, they have not established any new rules for the US visit, they are just reminding America of the rules they already have in place.
The Queen is not coming with them, but she has always been liked and respected for her manners, etiquette, and her fashion sense, beautifully attired and proper. It brings to mind the recent remarks of some about Obama's children at the Turkey pardoning ceremony. Very rude, inappropriate. Do reporters really have to be told they should not be scrutininzing a first family's family members? They ought to know better. (and there wasn't anything wrong with how they were dressed anyway!).
Actually, I agree dougrhon. However, my response was against what I perceive as a smug attempt to single out Islam as being more likely to cause this behavior. Extremists of all stripes, political or religious, tend towards the "us vs them" view, "them" being anyone who doesn't swim in their particular fishbowl, pretty much everyone else.
Islamic jihadists are certainly not the only ones guilty of this lethal myopia. Any fundamentalist absolutist philosophy will generate similar behavior under the proper conditions of stress, disenfranchisement, and desperation. I guarantee you that if the US economy tanks, you will see the extreme Christian right show its true colors, and become a militant organization with tactics and practices much similar to the extreme Muslims. Guys like Ralph Reed are out there, just waiting to pounce, and they are every bit as mean and sinister as these Islamic mofos.
The rise of gonzo Islam is directly a result of failed US policy in the Mideast. The continual turmoil and poverty is a breeding ground for extreme hate. Happens every time, everywhere, when the world goes to sh*t.
I agree with everything except the last paragraph. The rise of what you call Gonzo Islam has nothing to do with U.S. policy in the middle east nor does it have anything to do with poverty. It is a religious phenomonon.
Additionally, yes there are crazies all over the place. But we all ought to agree that none have the size strength or breath of "Gonzo" Islam which is not only in the middle east but spreading its poison all over the world.
Ok, I have to concede oversimplification on my part. I will maintain US activities in the Middle East are certainly a contributing factor. And of course, at this time in history, Islam is certainly the worst offender in terms of ideological expansionism. That is obvious. However, again, it is important to note that gonzo Islam is simply taking its turn on the world stage, exactly as any extreme hardline has in the past, political or religious. Nazism, communism, the Catholic Church, are all movements that were able to grow into monsters out of the ferment of collapse. The only reason the latter two aren't simply called "crazies" is because they succeeded. Islam is certainly hardwired for tyranny and violence, but it grew out of the festering sore of the Middle Eastern apocalypse.
If in a hundred or so years there is a prosperous Islamic bloc holding sway, these terrorists will no longer be called crazy or poisonous, even by the enemy. They will be respected as a strong adversary, perhaps hated, just as we hated the Bolsheviks and the Red Chinese, but we don't think of them as crazed violent rabble. Personally I am totally pissed off at the extreme Muslims, who among a long list of atrocities have killed my favorite music in Mali, and choked off a great cultural contact between the West and Islam, thereby kicking their own ass and guaranteeing war instead of understanding. Just because I think that these creeps deserve to be shot on sight does not make me want to sit in my Christian kettle calling the Islamic pot black.
It can happen anywhere, at any time, under any flag. Just take away the money.
[Edited on 12/3/2014 by BrerRabbit]
Ok, I have to concede oversimplification on my part. I will maintain US activities in the Middle East are certainly a contributing factor. And of course, at this time in history, Islam is certainly the worst offender in terms of ideological expansionism. That is obvious. However, again, it is important to note that gonzo Islam is simply taking its turn on the world stage, exactly as any extreme hardline has in the past, political or religious. Nazism, communism, the Catholic Church, are all movements that were able to grow into monsters out of the ferment of collapse. The only reason the latter two aren't simply called "crazies" is because they succeeded. Islam is certainly hardwired for tyranny and violence, but it grew out of the festering sore of the Middle Eastern apocalypse.
If in a hundred or so years there is a prosperous Islamic bloc holding sway, these terrorists will no longer be called crazy or poisonous, even by the enemy. They will be respected as a strong adversary, perhaps hated, just as we hated the Bolsheviks and the Red Chinese, but we don't think of them as crazed violent rabble. Personally I am totally pissed off at the extreme Muslims, who among a long list of atrocities have killed my favorite music in Mali, and choked off a great cultural contact between the West and Islam, thereby kicking their own ass and guaranteeing war instead of understanding. Just because I think that these creeps deserve to be shot on sight does not make me want to sit in my Christian kettle calling the Islamic pot black.
It can happen anywhere, at any time, under any flag. Just take away the money.
[Edited on 12/3/2014 by BrerRabbit]
Islam is not having its turn. Islam has always been violent and brutal. It's just that it never grew out of it like the Western faiths did. And understand that the violent maniacs in Iran and ISIS and the Taliban don't feel they have made a mistake by bringing war to themselves. That is their design. Their idea of Islam is one that is at war with all non-believers, believers being defined as believing what they believe. Like all modern demagogues and pseudo religious cults such as Naziism, they prey on the weak minded and those searching for something bigger. The big mistake much of the left makes is assuming the only factor is material. That is the prime failure of Marxist theory, the assumption that everything is based on materialism. It is not.
Islam has always been violent and brutal. It's just that it never grew out of it like the Western faiths did.
The Age of Enlightenment, brought on by economic prosperity due to colonial expansion, is what enabled the West to rein in the more extreme oppression of the Church. Christianity has not "grown out of it", it is hardwired for militancy every bit as much as Islam. Like I said, just take away the money.
Have you paid any attention at all to the ferment of the extreme religious right in the US over the last few decades? There has been plenty of terrorism exacted by American extremists, Oklahoma City for starters. This isn't a left vs. right issue, this is a clear and present danger presented by ignorant fanatics, and all it will take is an economic tumble and they will step into the breach, crosses raised high and stars and stripes waving. Be it white supremacy, black power, eco-fanatics, whatever, Americans (and Christians) are just as capable of extreme terror as the Muslims.
Here's a scenario for you: It is the year 2100. China now commands the USA. The only job you can get is a 16 hour shift at WalMart, for peanuts. You join a militant movement to take back your country, and make sure the Chinese know you mean business by staging executions and terror attacks in China. You are a brave partisan, not a violent crazy. Those damn Chinese should get off our land, right? Of course, the average comfortable Chinaman thinks you are a nut, and Beijing calls you a terrorist.
What's the difference between this and what ISIS is up to?
Ok, I have to concede oversimplification on my part. I will maintain US activities in the Middle East are certainly a contributing factor. And of course, at this time in history, Islam is certainly the worst offender in terms of ideological expansionism. That is obvious. However, again, it is important to note that gonzo Islam is simply taking its turn on the world stage, exactly as any extreme hardline has in the past, political or religious. Nazism, communism, the Catholic Church, are all movements that were able to grow into monsters out of the ferment of collapse. The only reason the latter two aren't simply called "crazies" is because they succeeded. Islam is certainly hardwired for tyranny and violence, but it grew out of the festering sore of the Middle Eastern apocalypse.
If in a hundred or so years there is a prosperous Islamic bloc holding sway, these terrorists will no longer be called crazy or poisonous, even by the enemy. They will be respected as a strong adversary, perhaps hated, just as we hated the Bolsheviks and the Red Chinese, but we don't think of them as crazed violent rabble. Personally I am totally pissed off at the extreme Muslims, who among a long list of atrocities have killed my favorite music in Mali, and choked off a great cultural contact between the West and Islam, thereby kicking their own ass and guaranteeing war instead of understanding. Just because I think that these creeps deserve to be shot on sight does not make me want to sit in my Christian kettle calling the Islamic pot black.
It can happen anywhere, at any time, under any flag. Just take away the money.
[Edited on 12/3/2014 by BrerRabbit]
Islam is not having its turn. Islam has always been violent and brutal. It's just that it never grew out of it like the Western faiths did. And understand that the violent maniacs in Iran and ISIS and the Taliban don't feel they have made a mistake by bringing war to themselves. That is their design. Their idea of Islam is one that is at war with all non-believers, believers being defined as believing what they believe. Like all modern demagogues and pseudo religious cults such as Naziism, they prey on the weak minded and those searching for something bigger. The big mistake much of the left makes is assuming the only factor is material. That is the prime failure of Marxist theory, the assumption that everything is based on materialism. It is not.
I don't think the Afghan Taliban brought the war to themselves. They were not aligned with Al-Qa'ida contrary to the media spin that said they were all in cahoots. Per Osama's son, who wrote a book with his Mother (Osama's first wife), an Arab who fought in the Soviet War gave Osama the mountain called Tora Bora to live in with his fighters and family. Regardless of what really happened and who was really involved in the 9.11.01 attacks, we do know there were no Afghans in the mix. Osama asked for sanctuary in Afghanistan after being ousted from the Sudan, and that was granted to him, guest status by Mullah Omar. Islamic law and local Afghan Pashtunwalli customs demand that you protect a guest while he is in your country. Even the Bible speaks of providing sanctuary lands for someone who is persecuted. That is all he did. When things got really bad (the bombings Tora Bora and beyond that), Osama was asked to leave Afghanistan, which he did.
Mullah Omar did not bring the US to Afghanistan, he only honored his religious and cultural country customs allowing Osama to stay there. Even when he was offered a deal, he asked to be provided the evidence of Osama's guilt, he said if he was provided evidence that Osama did the 9/11 attacks, he would hand him over to US authorities. HE denounced the attacks as un-Islamic. NO EVIDENCE WAS EVER PRESENTED. That is why he did not give him up, he just asked him to leave.
The Afghan position has been national border sovereignty. They do not and WILL not get involved in other countries battles. They have not sent any fighters to Iraq and will not.
The Pakistani Taliban will send fighters to help Isis or any group if they ask them. They will help anyone who is doing armed jihad. They consider themselves progressive.
There are differences in beliefs among all the groups.
Prince William and Kate arrive tomorrow and plan to go to the 9/11 museum among other things. With the ongoing protests in the city, it will be interesting what they think about all that. They will also be at the Waldorf for a $10,000 a plate fund raiser dinner, as well as go to a Nets basketball game with Beyoncé and JayZ.
Prince William and Kate arrive tomorrow and plan to go to the 9/11 museum among other things. With the ongoing protests in the city, it will be interesting what they think about all that. They will also be at the Waldorf for a $10,000 a plate fund raiser dinner, as well as go to a Nets basketball game with Beyoncé and JayZ.
Ah, well, being a Royal is a pain in the ass...It really is.
[Edited on 12/7/2014 by Chain]
Itinerary for the Royal watchers.
http://www.noodls.com/view/128BF44DE63703B2507EEC7709CCEA8F0150C4D5?2692xxx1417800706
Kensington Palace has released information about The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge's programme ahead of their visit to the USA:
SUNDAY 7TH DECEMBER
The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge arrive in New York
Private event: NO PRESS
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2863744/William-Kate-charge-15-couples-32k-dinner-New-York-Cash-access-questions-Royal-couple-court-super-rich.html
MONDAY 8TH DECEMBER
World Bank, Washington DC - The Duke of Cambridge will attend the International Corruption Hunters Alliance conference, followed by a working lunch. The Duke will be accompanied by Mr William Hague. The Duke will give a speech at the conference focusing on corruption surrounding the illegal wildlife trade.
Northside Center for Child Development, Harlem - The Duchess of Cambridge, accompanied by the First Lady of New York City will visit the centre which fosters the healthy development of children and families by providing high-quality mental health and educational services. The Duchess and First Lady will take part in gift-wrapping with volunteers and meet students undertaking a craft-making exercise.
Lunch at British Consul General's Residence, New York - The Duchess of Cambridge will meet members of the British Community in New York from culture, arts, hospitality, and business sectors.
Conservation Reception at British Consul General's Residence, New York - The Duke of Cambridge accompanied by Secretary Clinton and Chelsea Clinton will attend a reception co-hosted by the Royal Foundation and the Clinton Foundation, in recognition of the conservation work carried out by Tusk and United for Wildlife partners: Wildlife Conservation Society; Conservation International; and The Nature Conservancy.
NBA Basketball game (Brooklyn Nets v Cleveland Cavaliers), Brooklyn - The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will attend an NBA Basketball game to support the on-going collaboration between the Royal Foundation, United for Wildlife and the NBA.
TUESDAY 9TH DECEMBER
The National September 11 Memorial Museum, New York - The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will tour the National September 11 Memorial Museum. Their Royal Highnesses will view one of the Memorial Reflection Pools and spend time in the Memorial Plaza and Memorial Museum.
The Door / CityKids, New York - The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will visit The Door to see the work they carry out in partnership with the CityKids Foundation - both organisations offer services to young people to help them reach their potential. Their Royal Highnesses will tour the youth organisation and view arts performances by the young people.
Creativity is GREAT Reception, hosted by NeueHouse, New York - The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will attend a reception at NeueHouse celebrating the wealth of British Talent in the Creative Industries based in New York.
Innovation is GREAT Reception, hosted by Shutterstock at The Empire State Building, New York - The Duke of Cambridge accompanied by The Mayor of New York City will visit the observation deck at the 86th floor, attend the technology-themed reception; and present the winners of the GREAT Tech Awards with trophies.
St. Andrews 600th Anniversary Dinner at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York - The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will join this event which will support scholarships and bursaries for students from under-privileged communities, new student sports facilities in St Andrews, investment in the university's medical and science faculties and a lectureship in American Literature at St. Andrews.
REMARKS: And yes for all of you who want to just catch a glimpse, but would never admit it, they will be staying at the Carlyle Hotel, and no the little one, Prince George is not with them, he is home being spoiled by his Grandparents and Uncle.
http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20395222_20876283,00.html
[Edited on 12/7/2014 by gina]
