Politics don't interest me & I avoid any personal conversations about them. I've always avoided listening to media about them because it's a waste of my time - none of those primaries that were no doubt talked about incessantly mattered & the so-called too close to call vote that may take weeks to count was over & conceded in a day.
I do believe having a president or leader who encourages hate is destructive. The fanatics on either end of the spectrum have been emboldened to use insults & violence rather than attempt consensus. As the highest office holder, he sets the tone & what he's done is normalize anti-social & violent acts.
I agree it's best not to engage w/haters, but I do believe that hate speech & actions shouldn't go unpunished. Today is Veteran's Day; some MSM outlets are calling it "Martyr's Day." During Vietnam, people wore bracelets w/the names of those MIA until the war ended & most were accounted for no matter whether they supported the war or not. Those guys were fellow citizens. I see a direct path between draft dodger Trump's insults of POW McCain & the normalization of tearing down posters of Americans who've been held hostage for 400+ days just for attending a music festival when we're not even at war. Haven't seen many yellow ribbon "bring them home" pins during my stay here.
Back to the EU. Keep enjoying the music.
I do believe having a president or leader who encourages hate is destructive. The fanatics on either end of the spectrum have been emboldened to use insults & violence rather than attempt consensus. As the highest office holder, he sets the tone & what he's done is normalize anti-social & violent acts.
Back to the EU. Keep enjoying the music.
I would say, don’t believe everything you read & treat others the way you’d like to be treated
All Due Respect, but too many people believe what they read, resulting in posts like the quote
he’s been accused of/indicted for everything
been convicted of nothing*
and is then accused of encouraging insults & violence to solve our problems
It’s Nothing That He’s Done Bro, It’s Just Publicly Reported That Way
it’s so wrong & friend cyclone88, imo it’s the media more so than the president that sets the national mood - that’s what people see every day - they have a huge responsibility, & fail to live up to it
thankfully the majority didn’t believe their alarmist BS about the end of democracy if Trump wins & all that
imo it’s a ratings- & money-hungry media that causes a lot of this country’s problems
was posted b4, & I agree, “news” is “reported” as much to outrage as to inform - they succeed at that but w/inaccuracies - putting their own spin on it, at the price of accuracy
this too is very wrong, it’s why I believe little of what I read - some are emboldened by it, but thankfully not the majority
finally, yes, I was (glad to be) all wrong envisioning a close contentious race - the less irascible diatribe the better
*realize he’s been convicted🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱that’s about what it amounts to/means to most people
🎼🎶best your way, hoping you’re liking the music too
sorry to blab so much - imo All, regardless of party affiliation/political leanings etc, would do well to revisit LBJ’s brief speech Nov 28 1963 - he calls upon America to “banish rancor from our hearts & malice from our tongues - this is the work that I most want us to do”
it’s about a 10 min talk - “to those who speak, & those who teach, & those who preach, & those who publish, & those who broadcast…..let them reflect on these things”
they are timeless words - compassionate, comforting, so important in steadying a nation still grieving JFK - let calmness & compassion rule today too✌️🇺🇸 -
I think most of us keep politics to a reasonable volume and don't want to be constantly be bothered with it. It's actually been nice to see the Whipping Post relatively quiet. But I've been at relatives' homes where cable news is constantly on, it's exhausting regardless of the station. That's why we elect people, so it doesn't consume our daily lives. I don't see anyone here being consumed by politics, simply reacting to a political event that concerns our future. So if you felt the need to pull back for you own sanity, well then I'm happy for you.
Trump has turned up the temperature and divided people based on falsehoods. Prior to 2016, political discourse was pretty civil. Racists and bigots used to keep their opinions to themselves because they would be held accountable for shameful ideas, but now they have a seat at the table. Discussion might not turn the ship around but ignoring it definitely doesn't.
@stephen: Your comments:
"It’s Nothing That He’s Done Bro, It’s Just Publicly Reported That Way
it’s so wrong & friend cyclone88, imo it’s the media more so than the president that sets the national mood - that’s what people see every day - they have a huge responsibility, & fail to live up to it"
The media more than the President? You mean you haven't seen the live footage of the assault on our Nation's Capitol? You haven't heard that Trump sat back and watched it all on a TV screen and refused to do ANYTHING for 3 hours while police officers were murdered? You haven't heard that Trump was told that they were trying to lynch Mike Pence, and his response was, "So what?".
The assault on the Capitol is all documented on film. They played it at this year's Democratic National Convention. But you think the media made it all up?? REALLY???
A customer of mine the other day who is a therapist told me about a client of her's who is 16 and female. A schoolmate of her's grabbed her crotch and when confronted by her and school administrators, he replied, "Trump did it."
IMO, the country is now beyond the point of no return if someone like Donald Trump can get re-elected. So goes the U.S., so goes the free world.
When did I ever say the media made up Jan 6???? I know they played it at the convention
you’re confusing me w/another thread that said Trump’s shooting may have been staged, or rigged
The media has a critical role in setting the tone -
I sure as heck never heard about Pence’s possible lynching - he was one of them for pete’s sake - he was Trump’s VP, they would’ve hugged him not lynched him
you’re bad-off w/Trump hate bro - if expatriating helps you, you need to do so pronto for your own mental health - I wish you well (you said you were considering Costa Rica 🇨🇷)
if you stay, same thing as you put your game face on, get a foothold, make preparations & buckle down to try to survive your perception of a horrible, violent next 4 years envisioning the end of Old Glory
yes I’ve seen the footage
6 people died, including a police officer
property damage estimate, $2.7M
What exactly do you mean by “I’m glad we’ve never met in person”????
What a riot
it’s Trump’s fault
Trump fucked it up
I blame Trump
Trump sucks
Trump made me do it
Trump caused Covid, he’s returned, so will it
Trump advocates racial bigotry
Trump aligns w/the KKK
Trump drinks 12 diet cokes a day
I have a cold, it’s Trump’s fault, his health program sucks
my car broke down, gd that Trump, he outsourced the good cars & parts to China
now cited in the incident mentioned between the girls at a school somewhere
this stuff is truly unbelievable
ever w/malice toward none
later
@stephen: You said it Stephen, all I did was quote what YOU posted...........but you are denying it so here we go again: "it’s the media more so than the president that sets the national mood".
If you're going to make statements like that, then man up, don't run away and hide. No, you didn't specifically mention January 6th, but your statement above completely negates what Trump caused to happen on January 6th. I feel sorry for you that you are that blind. But hey.........your Celtics are Champions.........so you're on top of the world, correct?
@stephen: You said it Stephen, all I did was quote what YOU posted...........but you are denying it so here we go again: "it’s the media more so than the president that sets the national mood".
If you're going to make statements like that, then man up, don't run away and hide.
what am I denying? what’s not being a man about stating what I think??
again, What was your plan if we’d ever met in person????
the problem is, you feel people who don’t hate Trump, those who don’t blame him for everything, are trash, phony Americans just like him -
I think this is wrong, so do most others - have said so for years - people get fed up w/garbage & as I said b4, it manifested itself in the protest at the Capitol
I don’t put “Jan 6” in the same category as say “9/11” in terms of a national catastrophe
“man up” - “don’t run & hide” - reply, take your own advice - man up, stay in-country & don’t flee b/c of Trump - recall FDR - “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself”
few are more conspicuous than me here on the boards - I said the media has a more critical role in setting the tone - I meant the national mood - as the president
their interpretations of & spins on “the news” are what Joe Q Public sees every day & as I said b4, too many people, yourself included, buy whole-hog into it
we’ve had friendly exchanges b4, so based on that, well wishes - I wish no ill will on anyone, Ever
don’t expatriate or renounce your citizenship - that’s militant - instead, pivot to a positive mindset - recall 4 instance the prosperity of 2016-20, why should this be any different, much-less feared - etc & so forth….
this time, voters said, one good term deserves another
w/malice toward none
yes, both ballclubs have started fast
I still think civil discourse is the way, and sometimes the way is just not talking about things we don't agree on, instead find the things we do. We have more in common than what separates us.
just heard on the radio, today is world kindness day - have always believed the saying, practice random acts of kindness - kindness out to all - good game for GSW last night in Klay’s return - Jrue made the bad inbounds pass, Jayl missed the game-winner, we lost by a point - Jays passed Tommy Heinsohn for 12th place in Celts scoring
Discussion might not turn the ship around but ignoring it definitely doesn't.
That's a good line and I get it.
I haven't been here enough to know, but yes, I do not think anyone here is consumed by what is happening on the left, right, or any political corner or post election fallout. I do know some people in my family and those in our orbit who are pretty much consumed by it, in defeat. And I think some on the right in our circles likely would've been if their candidate or causes had fallen in defeat.
For months leading up to the election I thought there would be some protest reaction to the election regardless of who won. Some Trump supporters already did it once on January 6th so we know those types are out there. But plenty of willing protestors on the left as well among the collection of Pro-Palestinian, Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street, the social, climate, environmental justice groups who are always willing to protest something. All I really hoped, regardless of who won, I just hoped it would be so convincing that neither side could fight the results. And that is what we got. I'm surprised it happened the way it did, but am glad because it puts a period on it. All 7 battle ground states, the popular vote - it can't be denied. And that is the way I would've wanted it if Harris would've won.
I don't talk a politics on a computer much anymore. I do however still enjoy talking about it in person with people. And I haven't stepped away from any cable news for sanity purposes, it is just football season. Last Tuesday I watched election coverage on TV from 7 til 3:30 in the morning. Channel surfing to see what this network was saying or that commentator or what angle is this program taking. I have always enjoyed that. And I like politics and I like debate either from an entertainment standpoint or it must stimulate something within me. What I don't like it seeing people get so invested that their well-being seems to hinge on the outcomes of elections. It is good that people care to push for something one way or the other, but sometimes I think people care too much.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/mike-pence-says-literally-praying-011250436.html
Former vice president Pence, who was met with signs reading “Hang Mike Pence” as well as an actual noose on that chaotic January day in 2021, notably did not endorse Trump in his re-election campaign. When asked if Trump will go off the rails in his second term, his former running mate said, “The American people are just not going to have it.”
Hmmmm.......here's hoping Mike Pence is right.
What I don't like it seeing people get so invested that their well-being seems to hinge on the outcomes of elections.
I get it, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change...
But many peoples' well-being, be it in this country or another, is directly negatively affected by whom we elect and their administration. Not counting the poor COVID response, US citizens died as a result of Trump's actions and policies.
Trump demonstrated for the world he is not worthy of piloting The Founders' experiment. We were even warned so by those who witnessed his failure first-hand, just in case anyone was a little foggy on the issue 4 years later. Harris, and other Democrats campaigning, even moved further center to meet conservative "patriots" on common ground. But it didn't matter, people weren't voting on plans, they voted for bluster.
So to my original point, it's why I'm disappointed in people more than I am at the election results. I was prepared for an even dumber 47th administration than 45th one ever since Biden won the nomination in 2020 (nothing against Biden, he was just a short-term fix). Trump's cabinet of incompetent brown-nosing cucks is worse than even the most jaded imagined. If people here think it's ok to reward his kind of behavior and beliefs, which is not just indecent but goes against our Constitution, The Founders' experiment is over. It means we took it for granted, thought it didn't affect us. It will be The Peoples' fault.
Your post made me think of one thing: “a republic if you can keep it”. We shall see, we shall see.
When your military leaders tell you someone is both a fascist and a threat...ya might want to take that into consideration...but of course they know nothing...as well as the economists that says his plan will tank the economy...but it current culture to not listen to people with knowledge...nope lets turn to Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson...
legal types will have a field day as his legal troubles worsen, the trials come along & they weigh culpability vs proof & other factors, & how, if at all, they pertain/apply to the presidency in Stormy, fraud, Jan 6 issues & so forth
‘legal eagles’/scholars/experts will more-than-once invoke the ol’ question, What Did The President Know & When Did He Know It
it’s a federal conviction, will prosecutors press for prison for the president - Can They, given the election
the Pres & Pres-elect had a cordial visit, good to see, both want a mutually supportive transition, so do their supporters
through executive privilege & in the national interest, maybe pending Trump accusations/court dates can be tabled while his administration prepares for>assumes leadership
had thought Don couldn’t possibly win - then Really thought that when Dems revamped their ticket w/Harris-Walz
it was reported the Dems raked in million$ in donation$ from new donor$ after Joe stepped down
it was a good race, echo-happily the sentence mentioned b4, Much Less Mudslinging This Time - this is so appreciated by average Joes & friendly people🇺🇸
Perfect examples here from his posts why I removed "kcjimmy" off the title of The Lounge thread in the Trades.
I did that the first time the orange POS was elected and jimmy supported his bullshit.
Disgusting garbage spewed.
Do I even need to disprove his lie that no woman has died because she couldn't get an abortion?
Hello, texas.
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/cm/cnn-top-doc-relays-medical-013843648.html
Meet Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Secretary of Health and Human Services. God help us all.
@PhotoRon286 Discredit rather than discuss is unfortunately the playbook now. And it's working.
@robslob RFK had 11 children. Most of them have publicly distanced themselves from the brain worm bear cub breath. If the one named Douglas was spreading the same nonsense that Jr has been we would probably never hear about it.
I have a few friends who worked in DC during the first T administration. They were pretty beaten down afterwards, it was an impossibly dysfunctional period. Some gave up completely. I fear this time will be worse, he's doubling down on unqualified far-right loyalists - people falling upwards in life. The only hope is that some GOP will stand up against any lunacy. These confirmation hearings are going to be a test of how much of a stupid allowance the administration is granted.
The only hope is that some GOP will stand up against any lunacy. These confirmation hearings are going to be a test of how much of a stupid allowance the administration is granted.
so yeah. not real optimistic.
But hey, some good news. A small win in the war on liars.
The only hope is that some GOP will stand up against any lunacy. These confirmation hearings are going to be a test of how much of a stupid allowance the administration is granted.
The primary concern is alleged pedophile & sex trafficker Matt Gaetz not become the AG. Some cabinet posts are historically nominal w/no real impact, but the AG DOES have an impact on governance. Aside from his criminality (the DOJ dropped the case when one witness suddenly withdrew her cooperation & another married Gaetz; the House Ethics Committee hasn't released its findings), Gaetz has zero legal experience. He worked for about a year for a debt collection firm in FL before pursuing a political career. He's not close to being a constitutional scholar or gatekeeper for democracy. He is, however, a sycophant & will do everything DJT bids. I knew the re-election meant dropping all federal cases all of which were valid based on reading the actual pleadings, but having a rookie lackey in the AG office is scary. Hope confirmation hearings prevent that.
On a positive note, I don't care a whit about First Ladies. I don't care whether Jill Biden was called Dr. (EdD) or Mrs. and I don't care that Melania may not be in the WH full time. The US has had daughters, daughters-in-law, nieces, & sisters act as First Lady & in the earliest years, the wives didn't always travel from their home state to live full time at the WH (after it was built & rebuilt). It's a non-issue given what else #47 has in mind.
More feedback on Kennedy as head of HHS. “I was worried we could go low but not this low,” Dr. Carlos del Rio, executive associate dean of the Emory School of Medicine & Grady Health System, wrote of the pick.
Yep, right off the bat, “Global Health Experts Sound Alarm Over RFK Jr, Citing Samoa Outbreak”
saw this online, just passing it along - the recent posts have been spot-on about it
however, to the feared, this makes twice as scary, the already-alarming prospect of the incoming regime - now it’s a Trump-Kennedy double whammy of sickness & disease, trauma & misery on the horizon
making it more impossible than ever for them to believe they can survive Trump II
praying for them & that the Samoa outbreak doesn’t become another covid, or norovirus, a new term I noticed recently
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the epitome of life, the annual Beaver Moon, tonite - that’s my aptitude - these chilly sunny leafless late fall days…..🙏✌️
the outdoors is my church🚴
…..returning to topic, sounds like Jr will have rough sledding during confirmation
Donald Trump won a major landslide. Electoral college and the popular vote.
Even the liberal DA in Los Angeles County was defeated by a more conservative candidate.
But Trump is the leader of something different in American politics. It's not what I knew as Republican political postering. It's in crazy town in some ways.
With the cabinet we see coming together, we likely are going to have close to a dictatorship for the first time in America.
Did several in the Democratic party go too far to the left. I think so. The left and the right are way out there to me.
Should be an interesting Trump 2.0
🇺🇸✌️
he won all 7 of the “key swing states” from what I read
not looking to pick a fight, but stats show it really wasn’t a “major landslide” imo - one stat said his margin of victory was 44th in our 60 presidential elections -
ones like Reagan’s 1986 re-election, LBJ-Goldwater, Bush’s re-election in 2004, Nixon-McGovern, probly the FDR elections, others
…..in the current sports realm, Paul-Tyson
….these imo were one-sided decisions/landslides - was pretty obvious ahead of time they would be (not the boxing match)
….that however imho wasn’t the case in 2024 - Harris supporters/antiTrumps had reason for hope up to election day
but I also understand your view of it, & in fact I speak from ignorance, citing the bobs, porkchopbob & robslob, as the prevailing/‘proper’ view, alarmed & all
the bobs - one is reminded of the film Office Space - have always liked it
Donald Trump won a major landslide. Electoral college and the popular vote.
Did several in the Democratic party go too far to the left. I think so. The left and the right are way out there to me.
It wasn't a landslide (pop vote was 1.5% margin) and Harris went further to the right during her campaign. This kind of misinformation is why Trump won.
I've avoided calling it a landslide, but I also find it hard to counter people who say it was. Especially given expectations. If anyone said the Trump would've won a popular vote in this election they would've been labeled as crazy and out of touch. Sure it numbers might have been tight, but they should not have been even close given past elections of how Democrats have enjoyed popular vote victories. Every swing state. Closed margins in Democrat strongholds. By the net result numbers I do not think it qualifies as a landslide, in the world of perception, which they say is reality, it was.
