Melt the guns. Take them away. Ban semi automatics, ban handguns, ban a certain type of magazine clip, ban assault style weapons, ban this, ban that. None of these comments and commonly heard solutions have anything to do with the ease of obtaining a firearm. They call for bans, and we hear it constantly. It's all over this thread.
That's not blaming the object? If the object is not to blame, why call for banning them, melting them down, taking them away?
This conversation is far too intelligent for you to take a meaningful part in it. Please stop. Thanks.
The thread is not about me.
In the 1950's you could buy a gun in a hardware store, the Sears catalog, even some gas stations. No fingerprints, no background check, no waiting period. Total amount of mass shootings in the 1950's? One.
Obviously there are other factors at play besides the ease of getting a firearm.
But go ahead and keep blaming the object....
[Edited on 6/22/2015 by alloak41]
As was just stated in the post previous to yours, no one blames the object, its the ease at which the object falls into the hands of people who would use it for evil intentions. UK firearm related fatalities per 100,000 residents :0.25. In the US its 10.24. What's the difference in the two countries?
Hey, I've got an idea. Let's give anyone who wants one a nuclear weapon, after a quick background check for prior arrests. Should make everyone safer, right?
Roof shouldn't have been able to purchase a gun. He posted his Manifesto in February and by the time he purchased the gun in April he had been arrested for a felony. This assumes the reports are accurate that his parents gave him the money and not the gun for his birthday and he purchased the gun himself.
Why didn't the gun laws stop him?
Melt the guns. Take them away. Ban semi automatics, ban handguns, ban a certain type of magazine clip, ban assault style weapons, ban this, ban that. None of these comments and commonly heard solutions have anything to do with the ease of obtaining a firearm. They call for bans, and we hear it constantly. It's all over this thread.
That's not blaming the object? If the object is not to blame, why call for banning them, melting them down, taking them away?
This conversation is far too intelligent for you to take a meaningful part in it. Please stop. Thanks.
The thread is not about me.
Nobody said it was. I asked you to stop ruining it with your idiotic posts.
How can any conversation about mass murders have any intelligence or reasonable outcome -- never has, never will
Roof, according to reports is 1 cellblock away from the Charleston police officer who recently shot and killed an unarmed black man --
if racism is that rampant there, if people of color are under continuous threat like that, try to keep it confined there -- isolate it, & make a study of how people became racially hateful -- & try to learn from it
the gun debate goes only in a continuously shrinking circle IMO
Melt the guns. Take them away. Ban semi automatics, ban handguns, ban a certain type of magazine clip, ban assault style weapons, ban this, ban that. None of these comments and commonly heard solutions have anything to do with the ease of obtaining a firearm. They call for bans, and we hear it constantly. It's all over this thread.
That's not blaming the object? If the object is not to blame, why call for banning them, melting them down, taking them away?
This conversation is far too intelligent for you to take a meaningful part in it. Please stop. Thanks.
The thread is not about me.
Nobody said it was. I asked you to stop ruining it with your idiotic posts.
Right. Blaming metal objects for killing people is MUCH more intelligent. Most of them should be banned, taken away, melted down. Is that better?
This is an open forum. Just skip over my posts if they upset you.
Melt the guns. Take them away. Ban semi automatics, ban handguns, ban a certain type of magazine clip, ban assault style weapons, ban this, ban that. None of these comments and commonly heard solutions have anything to do with the ease of obtaining a firearm. They call for bans, and we hear it constantly. It's all over this thread.
That's not blaming the object? If the object is not to blame, why call for banning them, melting them down, taking them away?
This conversation is far too intelligent for you to take a meaningful part in it. Please stop. Thanks.
The thread is not about me.
Nobody said it was. I asked you to stop ruining it with your idiotic posts.
Right. Blaming metal objects for killing people is MUCH more intelligent. Most of them should be banned, taken away, melted down. Is that better?
This is an open forum. Just skip over my posts if they upset you.
Your posts don't upset me. They are lacking in any value so they are just empty air. Two people here have said that nobody blames the weapon. Yet you continue with that argument. There are many factors that brought roof to that church. But, as usual, you concentrate on only one aspect of the crime. This is why it is impossible to hold an intelligent conversation with you.
Melt the guns. Take them away. Ban semi automatics, ban handguns, ban a certain type of magazine clip, ban assault style weapons, ban this, ban that. None of these comments and commonly heard solutions have anything to do with the ease of obtaining a firearm. They call for bans, and we hear it constantly. It's all over this thread.
That's not blaming the object? If the object is not to blame, why call for banning them, melting them down, taking them away?
This conversation is far too intelligent for you to take a meaningful part in it. Please stop. Thanks.
The thread is not about me.
Nobody said it was. I asked you to stop ruining it with your idiotic posts.
Right. Blaming metal objects for killing people is MUCH more intelligent. Most of them should be banned, taken away, melted down. Is that better?
This is an open forum. Just skip over my posts if they upset you.
Your posts don't upset me. They are lacking in any value so they are just empty air. Two people here have said that nobody blames the weapon.
They can say whatever they want, but various comments simply don't support that claim. How can you favor gun bans, then turn around and say you're not blaming the object? If they're not to blame, don't ban them.
[quoteHey, I've got an idea. Let's give anyone who wants one a nuclear weapon, after a quick background check for prior arrests. Should make everyone safer, right?
Roof shouldn't have been able to purchase a gun. He posted his Manifesto in February and by the time he purchased the gun in April he had been arrested for a felony. This assumes the reports are accurate that his parents gave him the money and not the gun for his birthday and he purchased the gun himself.
Why didn't the gun laws stop him?
Human Error?
Guns are intimate metal objects
Man, you are one twisted cat! 😛
UK firearm related fatalities per 100,000 residents :0.25. In the US its 10.24. What's the difference in the two countries?
The UK has a lower suicide rate and is only 3% black?
So African Americans are the reason our firearm related deaths are 41 times higher than the UK's? Did you really just type that? The US is 13% African American, the UK is 3%. So do some math, and you will see your reasoning doesn't add up. Here's some help: we have 4.3% more African Americans than the UK, 41% more firearm related deaths.
One could easily argue the reason the UK suicide rate is lower than ours is because of their more restrictive gun laws. You are attempting to say the reason our firearm related deaths are 41 times higher than the UK's is because their people (and African Americans in general) are fundamentally different from us rather than their gun laws being fundamentally different. Its just hard for me to understand why you would use that reasoning and hold on to that kind of thinking.
I'll ask you some questions point blank;
1. Do you think everyone who could pass a background check like we give for firearms should be allowed to have a nuclear weapon? Why or Why not?
2. Do you believe African Americans are less able to handle firearms responsibly than other races?
3. Do you believe it is easier to kill yourself wityh a gun or another object, like a rock, kitchen knife, or baseball bat?
4. If we melt down all the cars except for police vehicles, what will happen to our auto related deaths? Will they go up or go down to almost nothing (like 0.25%)?
[Edited on 6/22/2015 by DougMacKenzie]
Whoever it is can say whatever they want.
Nothing about guns will change after this or any other incident. Nothing. This is who we are and this is the country we live in. Nothing will change.
Whoever it is can say whatever they want.
Nothing about guns will change after this or any other incident. Nothing. This is who we are and this is the country we live in. Nothing will change.
Sad but most likely true my friend. I just don't understand it.
Whoever it is can say whatever they want.
Nothing about guns will change after this or any other incident. Nothing. This is who we are and this is the country we live in. Nothing will change.
And the people who want change the worst will probably continue to blame an object.
It doesn't matter what anyone wants. Nothing will change.
Whoever it is can say whatever they want.
Nothing about guns will change after this or any other incident. Nothing. This is who we are and this is the country we live in. Nothing will change.
And the people who want change the worst will probably continue to blame an object.
So no answers to the direct questions I asked you? Instead you hang on to a tired response everyone has already sais they don't believe to be true. I can only conclude you, like mule, want no part of discussion. Noted.
Whoever it is can say whatever they want.
Nothing about guns will change after this or any other incident. Nothing. This is who we are and this is the country we live in. Nothing will change.
And the people who want change the worst will probably continue to blame an object.
So no answers to the direct questions I asked you? Instead you hang on to a tired response everyone has already sais they don't believe to be true. I can only conclude you, like mule, want no part of discussion. Noted.
He's just following the usual "if you say something enough times people may start to believe it even if it isn't true" playbook.
[Edited on 6/22/2015 by gondicar]
So African Americans are the reason our firearm related deaths are 41 times higher than the UK's? Did you really just type that? The US is 13% African American, the UK is 3%. So do some math, and you will see your reasoning doesn't add up. Here's some help: we have 4.3% more African Americans than the UK, 41% more firearm related deaths.
One could easily argue the reason the UK suicide rate is lower than ours is because of their more restrictive gun laws. You are attempting to say the reason our firearm related deaths are 41 times higher than the UK's is because their people (and African Americans in general) are fundamentally different from us rather than their gun laws being fundamentally different.
Last time the FBI made a real effort to try and figure out jut how many guns there are in America they calculated 300 million handguns alone, not counting long guns (estimated between 150 to 200 million). 330 million people live here.
Sheer numbers alone, there's more guns here than people.
That cat's long outta the bag. Nothing will change...because there's nothing that can be done.
"Death by massacre" is now a legitimate cause of death in our country. Is what it is.
Here's some help: we have 4.3% more African Americans than the UK
So there are only 1,987,000 African Americans in the USA? Try closer to 39,000,000. And you wonder why you don't get a response.
Eight things you might not know about the confederate flag:
1. The Confederate battle flag was never the official flag of the Confederacy
The Confederate States of America went through three different flags during the Civil War, but the battle flag wasn’t one of them. Instead, the flag that most people associate with the Confederacy was the battle flag of Gen. Robert E. Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia.
Designed by the Confederate politician William Porcher Miles, the flag was rejected for use as the Confederacy’s officials emblem, although it was incorporated into the two later flags as a canton. It only came to be the flag most prominently associated with the Confederacy after the South lost the war.
2. The flag is divisive, but most Americans may not care
Roughly one in ten Americans feels positively when they see the Confederate flag displayed, according to a 2011 Pew Research Center poll. The same study showed that 30 percent of Americans reported a negative reaction to seeing the flag on display.
But the majority, 58 percent, reported feeling neither positive nor negative. The poll also showed that African-Americans, Democrats and the highly educated were more likely to perceive the flag negatively.
3. The flag began to take on a new significance in the 20th century
In the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, the battle flag was used mostly at veterans’ events and to commemorate fallen Confederate soldiers. The flag took on new associations in the 1940s, when it began to appear more frequently in contexts unrelated to the Civil War, such as University of Mississippi football games.
In 1948, the newly-formed segregationist Dixiecrat party adopted the flag as a symbol of resistance to the federal government. In the years that followed, the battle flag became an important part of segregationist symbolism, and was featured prominently on the 1956 redesign of Georgia’s state flag, a legislative decision that was likely at least partly a response to the Supreme Court’s decision to desegregate school two years earlier. The flag has also been used by the Ku Klux Klan, though it is not the Klan’s official flag.
4. The Supreme Court recently ruled that Texas could refuse to issue Confederate flag specialty license plates
In a 5-4 decision, the court ruled against the nonprofit Sons of Confederate Veterans in Texas. The group had applied to create a specialty license plate that featured the battle flag, and argued that Texas’s licensing board violated their First Amendment rights by denying the application. Although the ruling came the day after the massacre in Charleston, the court heard arguments in the case in March.
5. The NAACP has long led a boycott against South Carolina because of the battle flag on display at the capitol
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People has led an economic boycott of South Carolina for years. In 2000, activists managed to have the flag moved from the dome of the capitol building to a memorial to Confederate soldiers nearby on the Statehouse grounds, but the boycott remains in effect.
Two days after the Charleston shooting, NAACP President Cornell Brooks reiterated the demand that South Carolina remove the flag.
“One of the ways we can bring that flag down is by writing to companies, engaging companies that are thinking about doing business in South Carolina, speaking to the governor, speaking to the legislature and saying the flag has to come down,” Brooks said, according to the Charleston City Paper.
The NCAA also has a partial ban on sporting events in South Carolina because of the state’s decision to display the flag.
6. The battle flag on South Carolina’s Statehouse grounds couldn’t be lowered to half mast after the Charleston massacre
Although the American flag and South Carolina state flag were lowered in mourning for the victims of the church shooting, the Confederate flag on display at the Statehouse was not, because it is affixed to the flag pole and cannot be lowered, The Washington Post reported.
7. Five Southern states have legal protection for the flag, but California bans it
Florida, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina and Louisiana all have laws on the books that ban desecration of the Confederate flag. The laws are unenforceable, though, because the Supreme Court has ruled that desecrating a flag is protected by the First Amendment.
California passed a bill in 2014 that banned the state government from displaying or selling merchandise bearing the Confederate flag.
8. Mississippi is the only state whose flag still features the battle flag
Mississippi is the only state whose flag still contains the confederate flag since Georgia changed its flag in 2003. In a statewide referendum in 2001, Mississippians voted 2-to-1 in favor of keeping the flag, which features the Confederate emblem as a canton in the top left corner.
Whoever it is can say whatever they want.
Nothing about guns will change after this or any other incident. Nothing. This is who we are and this is the country we live in. Nothing will change.
And the people who want change the worst will probably continue to blame an object.
So no answers to the direct questions I asked you? Instead you hang on to a tired response everyone has already sais they don't believe to be true. I can only conclude you, like mule, want no part of discussion. Noted.
He's just following the usual "if you say something enough times people may start to believe it even if it isn't true" playbook.
[Edited on 6/22/2015 by gondicar]
It is true. How can a person be in favor of gun bans, then turn around and say they're not blaming the object? If guns are not to blame, don't ban them.
Eight things you might not know about the confederate flag:
1. The Confederate battle flag was never the official flag of the Confederacy
The Confederate States of America went through three different flags during the Civil War, but the battle flag wasn’t one of them. Instead, the flag that most people associate with the Confederacy was the battle flag of Gen. Robert E. Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia.
Designed by the Confederate politician William Porcher Miles, the flag was rejected for use as the Confederacy’s officials emblem, although it was incorporated into the two later flags as a canton. It only came to be the flag most prominently associated with the Confederacy after the South lost the war.
2. The flag is divisive, but most Americans may not care
Roughly one in ten Americans feels positively when they see the Confederate flag displayed, according to a 2011 Pew Research Center poll. The same study showed that 30 percent of Americans reported a negative reaction to seeing the flag on display.
But the majority, 58 percent, reported feeling neither positive nor negative. The poll also showed that African-Americans, Democrats and the highly educated were more likely to perceive the flag negatively.
3. The flag began to take on a new significance in the 20th century
In the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, the battle flag was used mostly at veterans’ events and to commemorate fallen Confederate soldiers. The flag took on new associations in the 1940s, when it began to appear more frequently in contexts unrelated to the Civil War, such as University of Mississippi football games.
In 1948, the newly-formed segregationist Dixiecrat party adopted the flag as a symbol of resistance to the federal government. In the years that followed, the battle flag became an important part of segregationist symbolism, and was featured prominently on the 1956 redesign of Georgia’s state flag, a legislative decision that was likely at least partly a response to the Supreme Court’s decision to desegregate school two years earlier. The flag has also been used by the Ku Klux Klan, though it is not the Klan’s official flag.
4. The Supreme Court recently ruled that Texas could refuse to issue Confederate flag specialty license plates
In a 5-4 decision, the court ruled against the nonprofit Sons of Confederate Veterans in Texas. The group had applied to create a specialty license plate that featured the battle flag, and argued that Texas’s licensing board violated their First Amendment rights by denying the application. Although the ruling came the day after the massacre in Charleston, the court heard arguments in the case in March.
5. The NAACP has long led a boycott against South Carolina because of the battle flag on display at the capitol
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People has led an economic boycott of South Carolina for years. In 2000, activists managed to have the flag moved from the dome of the capitol building to a memorial to Confederate soldiers nearby on the Statehouse grounds, but the boycott remains in effect.
Two days after the Charleston shooting, NAACP President Cornell Brooks reiterated the demand that South Carolina remove the flag.
“One of the ways we can bring that flag down is by writing to companies, engaging companies that are thinking about doing business in South Carolina, speaking to the governor, speaking to the legislature and saying the flag has to come down,” Brooks said, according to the Charleston City Paper.
The NCAA also has a partial ban on sporting events in South Carolina because of the state’s decision to display the flag.
6. The battle flag on South Carolina’s Statehouse grounds couldn’t be lowered to half mast after the Charleston massacre
Although the American flag and South Carolina state flag were lowered in mourning for the victims of the church shooting, the Confederate flag on display at the Statehouse was not, because it is affixed to the flag pole and cannot be lowered, The Washington Post reported.
7. Five Southern states have legal protection for the flag, but California bans it
Florida, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina and Louisiana all have laws on the books that ban desecration of the Confederate flag. The laws are unenforceable, though, because the Supreme Court has ruled that desecrating a flag is protected by the First Amendment.
California passed a bill in 2014 that banned the state government from displaying or selling merchandise bearing the Confederate flag.
8. Mississippi is the only state whose flag still features the battle flag
Mississippi is the only state whose flag still contains the confederate flag since Georgia changed its flag in 2003. In a statewide referendum in 2001, Mississippians voted 2-to-1 in favor of keeping the flag, which features the Confederate emblem as a canton in the top left corner.
_________________________________________________________________________
One little item you “forgot” to list:
It was the Southern Democrats that flew The Confederate flag in battles against the Northern Republicans.
2. The flag is divisive, but most Americans may not care
Roughly one in ten Americans feels positively when they see the Confederate flag displayed, according to a 2011 Pew Research Center poll. The same study showed that 30 percent of Americans reported a negative reaction to seeing the flag on display.
But the majority, 58 percent, reported feeling neither positive nor negative. The poll also showed that African-Americans, Democrats and the highly educated were more likely to perceive the flag negatively.
Any comments on this? Majority does not care? Oh and go ahead and point out how they included "highly educated" in their poll. I go back to majority does not care.
6. The battle flag on South Carolina’s Statehouse grounds couldn’t be lowered to half mast after the Charleston massacre
Although the American flag and South Carolina state flag were lowered in mourning for the victims of the church shooting, the Confederate flag on display at the Statehouse was not, because it is affixed to the flag pole and cannot be lowered, The Washington Post reported.
Not true, it is controlled by state legislature: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jun/21/jean-casarez/flying-confederate-battle-flag-south-carolina-half/
7. Five Southern states have legal protection for the flag, but California bans it
Florida, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina and Louisiana all have laws on the books that ban desecration of the Confederate flag. The laws are unenforceable, though, because the Supreme Court has ruled that desecrating a flag is protected by the First Amendment.
California passed a bill in 2014 that banned the state government from displaying or selling merchandise bearing the Confederate flag.
I don't even see how this is relevant, California?
Eight things you might not know about the confederate flag:
1. The Confederate battle flag was never the official flag of the Confederacy
The Confederate States of America went through three different flags during the Civil War, but the battle flag wasn’t one of them. Instead, the flag that most people associate with the Confederacy was the battle flag of Gen. Robert E. Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia.
Designed by the Confederate politician William Porcher Miles, the flag was rejected for use as the Confederacy’s officials emblem, although it was incorporated into the two later flags as a canton. It only came to be the flag most prominently associated with the Confederacy after the South lost the war.
2. The flag is divisive, but most Americans may not care
Roughly one in ten Americans feels positively when they see the Confederate flag displayed, according to a 2011 Pew Research Center poll. The same study showed that 30 percent of Americans reported a negative reaction to seeing the flag on display.
But the majority, 58 percent, reported feeling neither positive nor negative. The poll also showed that African-Americans, Democrats and the highly educated were more likely to perceive the flag negatively.
3. The flag began to take on a new significance in the 20th century
In the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, the battle flag was used mostly at veterans’ events and to commemorate fallen Confederate soldiers. The flag took on new associations in the 1940s, when it began to appear more frequently in contexts unrelated to the Civil War, such as University of Mississippi football games.
In 1948, the newly-formed segregationist Dixiecrat party adopted the flag as a symbol of resistance to the federal government. In the years that followed, the battle flag became an important part of segregationist symbolism, and was featured prominently on the 1956 redesign of Georgia’s state flag, a legislative decision that was likely at least partly a response to the Supreme Court’s decision to desegregate school two years earlier. The flag has also been used by the Ku Klux Klan, though it is not the Klan’s official flag.
4. The Supreme Court recently ruled that Texas could refuse to issue Confederate flag specialty license plates
In a 5-4 decision, the court ruled against the nonprofit Sons of Confederate Veterans in Texas. The group had applied to create a specialty license plate that featured the battle flag, and argued that Texas’s licensing board violated their First Amendment rights by denying the application. Although the ruling came the day after the massacre in Charleston, the court heard arguments in the case in March.
5. The NAACP has long led a boycott against South Carolina because of the battle flag on display at the capitol
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People has led an economic boycott of South Carolina for years. In 2000, activists managed to have the flag moved from the dome of the capitol building to a memorial to Confederate soldiers nearby on the Statehouse grounds, but the boycott remains in effect.
Two days after the Charleston shooting, NAACP President Cornell Brooks reiterated the demand that South Carolina remove the flag.
“One of the ways we can bring that flag down is by writing to companies, engaging companies that are thinking about doing business in South Carolina, speaking to the governor, speaking to the legislature and saying the flag has to come down,” Brooks said, according to the Charleston City Paper.
The NCAA also has a partial ban on sporting events in South Carolina because of the state’s decision to display the flag.
6. The battle flag on South Carolina’s Statehouse grounds couldn’t be lowered to half mast after the Charleston massacre
Although the American flag and South Carolina state flag were lowered in mourning for the victims of the church shooting, the Confederate flag on display at the Statehouse was not, because it is affixed to the flag pole and cannot be lowered, The Washington Post reported.
7. Five Southern states have legal protection for the flag, but California bans it
Florida, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina and Louisiana all have laws on the books that ban desecration of the Confederate flag. The laws are unenforceable, though, because the Supreme Court has ruled that desecrating a flag is protected by the First Amendment.
California passed a bill in 2014 that banned the state government from displaying or selling merchandise bearing the Confederate flag.
8. Mississippi is the only state whose flag still features the battle flag
Mississippi is the only state whose flag still contains the confederate flag since Georgia changed its flag in 2003. In a statewide referendum in 2001, Mississippians voted 2-to-1 in favor of keeping the flag, which features the Confederate emblem as a canton in the top left corner.
_________________________________________________________________________
One little item you “forgot” to list:
It was the Southern Democrats that flew The Confederate flag in battles against the Northern Republicans.
What are you talking about?
6. The battle flag on South Carolina’s Statehouse grounds couldn’t be lowered to half mast after the Charleston massacre
Although the American flag and South Carolina state flag were lowered in mourning for the victims of the church shooting, the Confederate flag on display at the Statehouse was not, because it is affixed to the flag pole and cannot be lowered, The Washington Post reported.
Not true, it is controlled by state legislature: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jun/21/jean-casarez/flying-confederate-battle-flag-south-carolina-half/
Both are true. Only the legislature can order it removed, and it physically cannot be flown at half mast...
A further obstacle to critics of the Confederate flag: It’s affixed to the pole, and can’t come down unless someone gets up there and pulls it down — which would be illegal anyway.
“The flag is part of a Confederate War Memorial, and is not on a pulley system, so it cannot be lowered, only removed,” Raycom Media reporter Will Wilson tweeted.
[Edited on 6/22/2015 by gondicar]
Here's some help: we have 4.3% more African Americans than the UK
So there are only 1,987,000 African Americans in the USA? Try closer to 39,000,000. And you wonder why you don't get a response.
This is not about numbers, this is about percentages of the population. You said there are only 3% African Americans (actually you used the term black) in the UK. 13% of the US population is African American. Let's try again: How much more is 13%(of the US population) than 3%?(of the UK population)? In simpler terms, how many 3's are in 13? Take your time. Then maybe you can answer the direct questions i asked you.
South Carolina governor to call for removal of Confederate flag:
Eight things you might not know about the confederate flag:
1. The Confederate battle flag was never the official flag of the Confederacy
The Confederate States of America went through three different flags during the Civil War, but the battle flag wasn’t one of them. Instead, the flag that most people associate with the Confederacy was the battle flag of Gen. Robert E. Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia.
Designed by the Confederate politician William Porcher Miles, the flag was rejected for use as the Confederacy’s officials emblem, although it was incorporated into the two later flags as a canton. It only came to be the flag most prominently associated with the Confederacy after the South lost the war.
2. The flag is divisive, but most Americans may not care
Roughly one in ten Americans feels positively when they see the Confederate flag displayed, according to a 2011 Pew Research Center poll. The same study showed that 30 percent of Americans reported a negative reaction to seeing the flag on display.
But the majority, 58 percent, reported feeling neither positive nor negative. The poll also showed that African-Americans, Democrats and the highly educated were more likely to perceive the flag negatively.
3. The flag began to take on a new significance in the 20th century
In the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, the battle flag was used mostly at veterans’ events and to commemorate fallen Confederate soldiers. The flag took on new associations in the 1940s, when it began to appear more frequently in contexts unrelated to the Civil War, such as University of Mississippi football games.
In 1948, the newly-formed segregationist Dixiecrat party adopted the flag as a symbol of resistance to the federal government. In the years that followed, the battle flag became an important part of segregationist symbolism, and was featured prominently on the 1956 redesign of Georgia’s state flag, a legislative decision that was likely at least partly a response to the Supreme Court’s decision to desegregate school two years earlier. The flag has also been used by the Ku Klux Klan, though it is not the Klan’s official flag.
4. The Supreme Court recently ruled that Texas could refuse to issue Confederate flag specialty license plates
In a 5-4 decision, the court ruled against the nonprofit Sons of Confederate Veterans in Texas. The group had applied to create a specialty license plate that featured the battle flag, and argued that Texas’s licensing board violated their First Amendment rights by denying the application. Although the ruling came the day after the massacre in Charleston, the court heard arguments in the case in March.
5. The NAACP has long led a boycott against South Carolina because of the battle flag on display at the capitol
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People has led an economic boycott of South Carolina for years. In 2000, activists managed to have the flag moved from the dome of the capitol building to a memorial to Confederate soldiers nearby on the Statehouse grounds, but the boycott remains in effect.
Two days after the Charleston shooting, NAACP President Cornell Brooks reiterated the demand that South Carolina remove the flag.
“One of the ways we can bring that flag down is by writing to companies, engaging companies that are thinking about doing business in South Carolina, speaking to the governor, speaking to the legislature and saying the flag has to come down,” Brooks said, according to the Charleston City Paper.
The NCAA also has a partial ban on sporting events in South Carolina because of the state’s decision to display the flag.
6. The battle flag on South Carolina’s Statehouse grounds couldn’t be lowered to half mast after the Charleston massacre
Although the American flag and South Carolina state flag were lowered in mourning for the victims of the church shooting, the Confederate flag on display at the Statehouse was not, because it is affixed to the flag pole and cannot be lowered, The Washington Post reported.
7. Five Southern states have legal protection for the flag, but California bans it
Florida, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina and Louisiana all have laws on the books that ban desecration of the Confederate flag. The laws are unenforceable, though, because the Supreme Court has ruled that desecrating a flag is protected by the First Amendment.
California passed a bill in 2014 that banned the state government from displaying or selling merchandise bearing the Confederate flag.
8. Mississippi is the only state whose flag still features the battle flag
Mississippi is the only state whose flag still contains the confederate flag since Georgia changed its flag in 2003. In a statewide referendum in 2001, Mississippians voted 2-to-1 in favor of keeping the flag, which features the Confederate emblem as a canton in the top left corner.
_________________________________________________________________________
One little item you “forgot” to list:
It was the Southern Democrats that flew The Confederate flag in battles against the Northern Republicans.
What are you talking about?
He thinks the Democrat and Republican parties stand for the exact same things 150 years ago that they stand for today. Remember that the next time he rags on someone for their lack of knowledge of history. 😛
Eight things you might not know about the confederate flag:
1. The Confederate battle flag was never the official flag of the Confederacy
The Confederate States of America went through three different flags during the Civil War, but the battle flag wasn’t one of them. Instead, the flag that most people associate with the Confederacy was the battle flag of Gen. Robert E. Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia.
Designed by the Confederate politician William Porcher Miles, the flag was rejected for use as the Confederacy’s officials emblem, although it was incorporated into the two later flags as a canton. It only came to be the flag most prominently associated with the Confederacy after the South lost the war.
2. The flag is divisive, but most Americans may not care
Roughly one in ten Americans feels positively when they see the Confederate flag displayed, according to a 2011 Pew Research Center poll. The same study showed that 30 percent of Americans reported a negative reaction to seeing the flag on display.
But the majority, 58 percent, reported feeling neither positive nor negative. The poll also showed that African-Americans, Democrats and the highly educated were more likely to perceive the flag negatively.
3. The flag began to take on a new significance in the 20th century
In the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, the battle flag was used mostly at veterans’ events and to commemorate fallen Confederate soldiers. The flag took on new associations in the 1940s, when it began to appear more frequently in contexts unrelated to the Civil War, such as University of Mississippi football games.
In 1948, the newly-formed segregationist Dixiecrat party adopted the flag as a symbol of resistance to the federal government. In the years that followed, the battle flag became an important part of segregationist symbolism, and was featured prominently on the 1956 redesign of Georgia’s state flag, a legislative decision that was likely at least partly a response to the Supreme Court’s decision to desegregate school two years earlier. The flag has also been used by the Ku Klux Klan, though it is not the Klan’s official flag.
4. The Supreme Court recently ruled that Texas could refuse to issue Confederate flag specialty license plates
In a 5-4 decision, the court ruled against the nonprofit Sons of Confederate Veterans in Texas. The group had applied to create a specialty license plate that featured the battle flag, and argued that Texas’s licensing board violated their First Amendment rights by denying the application. Although the ruling came the day after the massacre in Charleston, the court heard arguments in the case in March.
5. The NAACP has long led a boycott against South Carolina because of the battle flag on display at the capitol
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People has led an economic boycott of South Carolina for years. In 2000, activists managed to have the flag moved from the dome of the capitol building to a memorial to Confederate soldiers nearby on the Statehouse grounds, but the boycott remains in effect.
Two days after the Charleston shooting, NAACP President Cornell Brooks reiterated the demand that South Carolina remove the flag.
“One of the ways we can bring that flag down is by writing to companies, engaging companies that are thinking about doing business in South Carolina, speaking to the governor, speaking to the legislature and saying the flag has to come down,” Brooks said, according to the Charleston City Paper.
The NCAA also has a partial ban on sporting events in South Carolina because of the state’s decision to display the flag.
6. The battle flag on South Carolina’s Statehouse grounds couldn’t be lowered to half mast after the Charleston massacre
Although the American flag and South Carolina state flag were lowered in mourning for the victims of the church shooting, the Confederate flag on display at the Statehouse was not, because it is affixed to the flag pole and cannot be lowered, The Washington Post reported.
7. Five Southern states have legal protection for the flag, but California bans it
Florida, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina and Louisiana all have laws on the books that ban desecration of the Confederate flag. The laws are unenforceable, though, because the Supreme Court has ruled that desecrating a flag is protected by the First Amendment.
California passed a bill in 2014 that banned the state government from displaying or selling merchandise bearing the Confederate flag.
8. Mississippi is the only state whose flag still features the battle flag
Mississippi is the only state whose flag still contains the confederate flag since Georgia changed its flag in 2003. In a statewide referendum in 2001, Mississippians voted 2-to-1 in favor of keeping the flag, which features the Confederate emblem as a canton in the top left corner.
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One little item you “forgot” to list:
It was the Southern Democrats that flew The Confederate flag in battles against the Northern Republicans.
What are you talking about?
He thinks the Democrat and Republican parties stand for the exact same things 150 years ago that they stand for today. Remember that the next time he rags on someone for their lack of knowledge of history. 😛
Actually, I was asking what specific battles he was talking about.
Eight things you might not know about the confederate flag:
1. The Confederate battle flag was never the official flag of the Confederacy
The Confederate States of America went through three different flags during the Civil War, but the battle flag wasn’t one of them. Instead, the flag that most people associate with the Confederacy was the battle flag of Gen. Robert E. Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia.
Designed by the Confederate politician William Porcher Miles, the flag was rejected for use as the Confederacy’s officials emblem, although it was incorporated into the two later flags as a canton. It only came to be the flag most prominently associated with the Confederacy after the South lost the war.
2. The flag is divisive, but most Americans may not care
Roughly one in ten Americans feels positively when they see the Confederate flag displayed, according to a 2011 Pew Research Center poll. The same study showed that 30 percent of Americans reported a negative reaction to seeing the flag on display.
But the majority, 58 percent, reported feeling neither positive nor negative. The poll also showed that African-Americans, Democrats and the highly educated were more likely to perceive the flag negatively.
3. The flag began to take on a new significance in the 20th century
In the immediate aftermath of the Civil War, the battle flag was used mostly at veterans’ events and to commemorate fallen Confederate soldiers. The flag took on new associations in the 1940s, when it began to appear more frequently in contexts unrelated to the Civil War, such as University of Mississippi football games.
In 1948, the newly-formed segregationist Dixiecrat party adopted the flag as a symbol of resistance to the federal government. In the years that followed, the battle flag became an important part of segregationist symbolism, and was featured prominently on the 1956 redesign of Georgia’s state flag, a legislative decision that was likely at least partly a response to the Supreme Court’s decision to desegregate school two years earlier. The flag has also been used by the Ku Klux Klan, though it is not the Klan’s official flag.
4. The Supreme Court recently ruled that Texas could refuse to issue Confederate flag specialty license plates
In a 5-4 decision, the court ruled against the nonprofit Sons of Confederate Veterans in Texas. The group had applied to create a specialty license plate that featured the battle flag, and argued that Texas’s licensing board violated their First Amendment rights by denying the application. Although the ruling came the day after the massacre in Charleston, the court heard arguments in the case in March.
5. The NAACP has long led a boycott against South Carolina because of the battle flag on display at the capitol
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People has led an economic boycott of South Carolina for years. In 2000, activists managed to have the flag moved from the dome of the capitol building to a memorial to Confederate soldiers nearby on the Statehouse grounds, but the boycott remains in effect.
Two days after the Charleston shooting, NAACP President Cornell Brooks reiterated the demand that South Carolina remove the flag.
“One of the ways we can bring that flag down is by writing to companies, engaging companies that are thinking about doing business in South Carolina, speaking to the governor, speaking to the legislature and saying the flag has to come down,” Brooks said, according to the Charleston City Paper.
The NCAA also has a partial ban on sporting events in South Carolina because of the state’s decision to display the flag.
6. The battle flag on South Carolina’s Statehouse grounds couldn’t be lowered to half mast after the Charleston massacre
Although the American flag and South Carolina state flag were lowered in mourning for the victims of the church shooting, the Confederate flag on display at the Statehouse was not, because it is affixed to the flag pole and cannot be lowered, The Washington Post reported.
7. Five Southern states have legal protection for the flag, but California bans it
Florida, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina and Louisiana all have laws on the books that ban desecration of the Confederate flag. The laws are unenforceable, though, because the Supreme Court has ruled that desecrating a flag is protected by the First Amendment.
California passed a bill in 2014 that banned the state government from displaying or selling merchandise bearing the Confederate flag.
8. Mississippi is the only state whose flag still features the battle flag
Mississippi is the only state whose flag still contains the confederate flag since Georgia changed its flag in 2003. In a statewide referendum in 2001, Mississippians voted 2-to-1 in favor of keeping the flag, which features the Confederate emblem as a canton in the top left corner.
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One little item you “forgot” to list:
It was the Southern Democrats that flew The Confederate flag in battles against the Northern Republicans.
What are you talking about?
He thinks the Democrat and Republican parties stand for the exact same things 150 years ago that they stand for today. Remember that the next time he rags on someone for their lack of knowledge of history. 😛
Actually, I was asking what specific battles he was talking about.
Yeah, good question. Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer.
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