I say let the 4% die off. It happens with species all the time. The strong will survive and the weak won't make it.
Does anyone here truly believe that the people in power do not look at anything with a sense of "acceptable losses"?
Has anyone in the Federal Government even uttered a word about a pay cut for themselves while millions have no income?
Has anyone in the Federal Government even uttered a word about a pay cut for themselves while millions have no income?
The official sign that the apocalypse is upon us: BIGV suggests redistribution of (publicly sourced) wealth 😉
Has anyone in the Federal Government even uttered a word about a pay cut for themselves while millions have no income?
The official sign that the apocalypse is upon us: BIGV suggests redistribution of (publicly sourced) wealth 😉
Nice try, but no. Leadership could certainly go to the front of the line here particularly if they are going to continue to argue and act like children about a bill that is designed to help people who are at the mercy of this virus.
Has anyone in the Federal Government even uttered a word about a pay cut for themselves while millions have no income?
The official sign that the apocalypse is upon us: BIGV suggests redistribution of (publicly sourced) wealth 😉
Nice try, but no. Leadership could certainly go to the front of the line here particularly if they are going to continue to argue and act like children about a bill that is designed to help people who are at the mercy of this virus.
Leadership certainly could....And so could sacrifice. Trump right now could hold a press conference demanding that the Senate include the safeguards within the bail out bill that corporations granted the suggested huge sums of tax dollars some requirements of receiving such funds...Limits like no stock buy backs with such funds, or documented proof of actual losses from the pandemic, or guarantees that employees return to work with the same pay as when the were laid off, etc....
Of course such requirements would hurt Trump himself and his corporate cronies so dear leader would never, in public, demand McConnell include such guard rails. To do so would be an example of leadership and sacrifice, and thus never enter Trump's brain..
Has anyone in the Federal Government even uttered a word about a pay cut for themselves while millions have no income?
The official sign that the apocalypse is upon us: BIGV suggests redistribution of (publicly sourced) wealth 😉
Nice try, but no. Leadership could certainly go to the front of the line here particularly if they are going to continue to argue and act like children about a bill that is designed to help people who are at the mercy of this virus.
Leadership certainly could....And so could sacrifice. Trump right now could hold a press conference demanding that the Senate include the safeguards within the bail out bill that corporations granted the suggested huge sums of tax dollars some requirements of receiving such funds...Limits like no stock buy backs with such funds, or documented proof of actual losses from the pandemic, or guarantees that employees return to work with the same pay as when the were laid off, etc....
Of course such requirements would hurt Trump himself and his corporate cronies so dear leader would never, in public, demand McConnell include such guard rails. To do so would be an example of leadership and sacrifice, and thus never enter Trump's brain..
Does not President Trump donate 100% of his salary?
Has anyone in the Federal Government even uttered a word about a pay cut for themselves while millions have no income?
An excellent idea. Trump donates his salary. Beyond that, federal officials could at least present the illusion that they're sharing economic pain (except maybe those who may or may not have conducted insider trading based on early pandemic briefings.) Perhaps a nudge to a national newspaper or media outlet or your congressional representatives might get the question posed on a wider basis than this music forum.
Truth is, he really doesn't need to do anything but listen to the advice of the long serving professionals around him and act on their advice. But no, his giant ego convinces the rest of his brain that he's a genius and so just operate on whims and feelings spinning around in his head.
He can't help himself. There was a day a few weeks ago (I've lost track of this timeline) that Trump announced that Pence was the COVID19 czar, declared a state of emergency, & introduced the team of experts that would be leading - Drs. Fauci & Birx.
Great. Massive sigh of relief. Trump is out of the details he hates so much. The press would hear from experts. That literally lasted one day before Trump himself was back on the podium - surrounded by an entourage - spouting nonsense that Dr. Fauci would politely & increasingly frustratingly correct & screaming hysterically at reporters tossing him softballs. No wonder people are tuning in to Cuomo's calm solo daily briefings no matter where they live.
Speaking of Cuomo, I wonder if Trump isn't feeling a bit left off the radar of news coverage given Andrew Cuomo has certainly garnered some of the spotlight given his calm and articulate daily briefings as compared to Trump's daily train wreck's.
I suspect much of the public has simply ignored the president of late. Even train wreck's get old after you've seen enough of them. We all know how dear leader loves all the attention and when anyone takes it away from him he sulks like a little child and then engages in some sort of buffoonery to get it back. I suppose that explains the Faux Trump network "virtual reality" goofiness yesterday.
Has anyone in the Federal Government even uttered a word about a pay cut for themselves while millions have no income?
The official sign that the apocalypse is upon us: BIGV suggests redistribution of (publicly sourced) wealth 😉
Nice try, but no. Leadership could certainly go to the front of the line here particularly if they are going to continue to argue and act like children about a bill that is designed to help people who are at the mercy of this virus.
Leadership certainly could....And so could sacrifice. Trump right now could hold a press conference demanding that the Senate include the safeguards within the bail out bill that corporations granted the suggested huge sums of tax dollars some requirements of receiving such funds...Limits like no stock buy backs with such funds, or documented proof of actual losses from the pandemic, or guarantees that employees return to work with the same pay as when the were laid off, etc....
Of course such requirements would hurt Trump himself and his corporate cronies so dear leader would never, in public, demand McConnell include such guard rails. To do so would be an example of leadership and sacrifice, and thus never enter Trump's brain..
Does not President Trump donate 100% of his salary?
Who knows, he won't release his taxes....Just because he claims he does means nothing. Even if he does, he's making far more than 400K per year off his various emoluments violations....Hell, just the monthly tally from the tax payer funded trips to Maro Largo far outpace his salary.
What would be true sacrifice would be not taking any money from the bailout for his hotel business....I suspect that won't happen though.
Does not President Trump donate 100% of his salary?
Yes, typically back into the Federal Government because it's $400K, which is pocket change to him (and compared to his businesses).
https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/12/13/president-trump-salary-donation/
I'm not sure if you mean all Federal Government employees, or just elected ones. If you just mean House and Senate, it would be a nice gesture if they were to forgo their quarterly salary, but it would be only that. It adds up to about $23M (535 members at $174K) which doesn't really go far when we are talking about Trillions of dollars 327 million people.
Perhaps a nudge to a national newspaper or media outlet or your congressional representatives might get the question posed on a wider basis than this music forum.
Have you watched the "News" lately?... The "News" please...On a typical 30 minute "News" broadcast, all 30 minutes is about the Corona virus, has other news ceased to exist? There is nothing else happening ?..Locally? They are broadcasting what sells advertising. Think a Super Bowl commercial is expensive because of the number of viewers tuned in? What do you think these media outlets are charging for advertising now? This Virus sells and this is why we are hearing about the death toll in Italy on a daily basis, they are selling fear and the public is buying. You want info?.. Talk to your physician, need more than that ?..Call the CDC, but for heavens sake turn off the TV!!!! Now, do I think it is fair question to pose to our elected officials concerning their pay and lack of action?.....Absolutely!... Will the media address this?
Probably not.
Does not President Trump donate 100% of his salary?
Yes, typically back into the Federal Government because it's $400K, which is pocket change to him (and compared to his businesses).
https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/12/13/president-trump-salary-donation/
I'm not sure if you mean all Federal Government employees, or just elected ones. If you just mean House and Senate, it would be a nice gesture if they were to forgo their quarterly salary, but it would be only that. It adds up to about $23M (535 members at $174K) which doesn't really go far when we are talking about Trillions of dollars 327 million people.
I am in no way attempting to highlight the amount of money they make or the financial impact of any estimated savings. I am trying to address their lack of concern for employed people who can't go to work, these people have NO INCOME, yet our elected officials sit up there on the hill, continue to bicker, argue and hold back legislation that would be seen as their caring about people....all while they continue to collect their paychecks.
Has anyone in the Federal Government even uttered a word about a pay cut for themselves while millions have no income?
The official sign that the apocalypse is upon us: BIGV suggests redistribution of (publicly sourced) wealth 😉
Nice try, but no. Leadership could certainly go to the front of the line here particularly if they are going to continue to argue and act like children about a bill that is designed to help people who are at the mercy of this virus.
Leadership certainly could....And so could sacrifice. Trump right now could hold a press conference demanding that the Senate include the safeguards within the bail out bill that corporations granted the suggested huge sums of tax dollars some requirements of receiving such funds...Limits like no stock buy backs with such funds, or documented proof of actual losses from the pandemic, or guarantees that employees return to work with the same pay as when the were laid off, etc....
Of course such requirements would hurt Trump himself and his corporate cronies so dear leader would never, in public, demand McConnell include such guard rails. To do so would be an example of leadership and sacrifice, and thus never enter Trump's brain..
Does not President Trump donate 100% of his salary?
Who knows, he won't release his taxes....Just because he claims he does means nothing. Even if he does, he's making far more than 400K per year off his various emoluments violations....Hell, just the monthly tally from the tax payer funded trips to Maro Largo far outpace his salary.
What would be true sacrifice would be not taking any money from the bailout for his hotel business....I suspect that won't happen though.
The Secret Service rents rooms at Trump Resorts every time he decides to go shoot golf. The operative word here is "rents". Trump is not absorbing the cost but is making revenue. He likes golf...a lot...and a lot more than than his predecessor, who Trump bitched about for playing "too much golf". It's great to make money off of your power & authority in a job. He's the greatest at this too.
Then there's the Trump resort in Scotland.
US military spent $17.2 million at Scottish airport near Trump resort
https://qz.com/1705571/us-military-spent-17-million-at-scottish-airport-near-trump-resort/
^ That Trump resort charged the Secret Service far less that any other secure facility available.
The issue has nothing to do the matter at hand.
[Edited on 3/25/2020 by ABBGMTTB]
Source your detail to show proof. Gov't contracts would be a good start.
And it does have relevance when someone claimed that Trump doesn't take a gov't salary. But it's ok to more than offset & make money off the gov't and violate emoluments clauses as has been pointed out.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/trump-secret-service-spending/
Does not President Trump donate 100% of his salary?
Yes, typically back into the Federal Government because it's $400K, which is pocket change to him (and compared to his businesses).
https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/12/13/president-trump-salary-donation/
I'm not sure if you mean all Federal Government employees, or just elected ones. If you just mean House and Senate, it would be a nice gesture if they were to forgo their quarterly salary, but it would be only that. It adds up to about $23M (535 members at $174K) which doesn't really go far when we are talking about Trillions of dollars 327 million people.
I am in no way attempting to highlight the amount of money they make or the financial impact of any estimated savings. I am trying to address their lack of concern for employed people who can't go to work, these people have NO INCOME, yet our elected officials sit up there on the hill, continue to bicker, argue and hold back legislation that would be seen as their caring about people....all while they continue to collect their paychecks.
I guess I can see the symbolism in doing that, but with all due respect, they are all currently working and regardless of whether you respect their line of work or not, they are doing what they were elected to do as evidenced by the negotiation and ultimate passing of a multi-trillion dollar bill. You'll never take the bullsh1t out of the process, but they all worked towards the same goal and got it done.
Additionally, it's not like they're making FU money and in many cases support 2 residences, which isn't easy. Most Members of the House are not super rich people.
I'm not sure if you mean all Federal Government employees, or just elected ones. If you just mean House and Senate, it would be a nice gesture if they were to forgo their quarterly salary, but it would be only that. It adds up to about $23M (535 members at $174K) which doesn't really go far when we are talking about Trillions of dollars 327 million people.
I am in no way attempting to highlight the amount of money they make or the financial impact of any estimated savings. I am trying to address their lack of concern for employed people who can't go to work, these people have NO INCOME, yet our elected officials sit up there on the hill, continue to bicker, argue and hold back legislation that would be seen as their caring about people....all while they continue to collect their paychecks.
Yes, as I said, it would be a gesture.
They are broadcasting what sells advertising. Think a Super Bowl commercial is expensive because of the number of viewers tuned in? What do you think these media outlets are charging for advertising now?
This is not true, not how it works. Whatever minimal increases in ad revenue due to TV news viewership (spread across multiple networks) won't offset the impact of shut down productions (both TV and Advertising) and the loss of major events like the Olympics, NBA, MLB, etc. Remember, news networks are owned by parent corporations (Disney, Comcast, Time Warner) that are feeling those programming losses, it's not a boon to them. Also, what will be advertised? Consumer spending is at a halt and production of new ads is likely to thin - what suitors do networks have? All spending is going to decrease and that includes advertisers themselves. But also, these are people who work at these networks. If you really think the news media is enjoying reporting from their home for the sake of some huge corona pay day, you are mistaken.
Here's a good read on the topic
https://www.adweek.com/agencies/how-the-coronavirus-is-disrupting-the-global-advertising-industry/
[Edited on 3/25/2020 by porkchopbob]
^ That Trump resort charged the Secret Service far less that any other secure facility available.
The issue has nothing to do the matter at hand.
BIGV opened the door to the topic of government waste when he brought up Trump donating his salary. Granted, most travel is grounded at the moment, but they are all responsible for the bloat.
Im going to do my part and head to a hot-tub expo this weekend.
So the party of “pro life” is now ok with vulnerable populations dying off because they’re already old and unproductive?
Funny how the party headed up by a couple guys like Moscow Mitch and Cadet bone spurs now have no problem letting WWII, Korean War and Vietnam vets die in nursing homes because we lack testing kits and medical supplies. Hmm access to testing kits, medical supplies and being somewhat prepared for this.... sounds like something a pandemic response team would be on top off.
69-year-old Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick is in such a rush to "get the economy back" that he's "all in to risk survival in exchange for keeping the America that all America loves for our children and grandchildren." What happened to LIFE, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness?
Scientists (who are all we have to rely on) insist that containing the virus is best weapon to prevent devastation. There are examples of what happens when countries prematurely lift restrictions - Hong Kong is the big one.
Trump, who has the attention span of a gnat, can barely wait 15 days since the order for social distancing. He wants his stock market back. He can't give us 30 days - a month - for containment before attempting to restart the economy in a reasonably formulated way? We don't even know that anyone other than people w/underlying health problems are the most vulnerable. People in their 20s are testing positive & have cases severe enough to be hospitalized.
BTW, Texas is also one of those states that includes abortion as a nonessential procedure under the guise of keeping medical resources free to fight virus cases. What a great plan. Force unwanted children to be born (since delays in abortion eventually make the procedure illegal) & risk the lives of seniors. Brilliant plan. Overlooks the fact that dead people & infants don't work or trade stocks.
There's nothing to love about the America he wants.
[Edited on 3/24/2020 by cyclone88]
He has to campaign the election is in November. How can he do that if most the country is locked down?
