Both of those trades were dumb.
Im not worried about Cleveland.. They will find a way to screw this up.
Well, despite Gondicar and the well intentioned Pats fans, the NFL apparently still disagrees, along with the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals:
Both of those trades were dumb.
Im not worried about Cleveland.. They will find a way to screw this up.
You are speaking of the OLD Cleveland Browns, them screwing up everything is so last year (and for the last, oh 30 or 40 years 😉 )
You watch, the Browns are back !
Sam Bradford demands the Eagles trade him and says he won't show up to team activities since they traded up in the draft for a likely QB.
Must be a bitch getting paid all those millions to perhaps hold a clipboard on the sideline.
That is interesting though that Philly would sign him to that huge deal and then trade up in the draft. Why sign the guy?
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Well, despite Gondicar and the well intentioned Pats fans, the NFL apparently still disagrees, along with the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals:
"I end where I began. The Article 46 appeals process is designed to provide a check against the Commissioner’s otherwise unfettered authority to impose discipline for 'conduct detrimental.' But the Commissioner's murky explanation of Brady's discipline undercuts the protections for which the NFLPA bargained on Brady's, and others', behalf. It is ironic that a process designed to ensure fairness to all players has been used unfairly against one player.
I respectfully dissent."
- Robert A. Katzmann, Chief Judge for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit
I guess Mr Katzmann was out voted 2-1, right?
I guess the rest of the NFL should prepare for revenge tour part . 😉
> http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15353950/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-four-game-suspension-deflategate-reinstated-appeals-court < A federal appeals court has ruled that New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady must serve a four-game Deflategate suspension imposed by the NFL, overturning a lower judge and siding with the league in a battle with the NFL Players Association. "We hold that the Commissioner properly exercised his broad discretion under the collective bargaining agreement and that his procedural rulings were properly grounded in that agreement and did not deprive Brady of fundamental fairness," the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Monday in a 2-1 decision in New York. Brady, however, is not prepared to accept Monday's appeals court ruling and is exploring all his legal options with his attorneys, sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. The decision by a three-judge panel may end the legal debate over the scandal that led to months of football fans arguing over air pressure and the reputation of one of the league's top teams. It is also likely to fuel a fresh round of debate over what role, if any, the quarterback and top NFL star played in using underinflated footballs in the AFC Championship Game in January 2015. The Patriots won the contest over the Indianapolis Colts and then won the Super Bowl. "Our role is not to determine for ourselves whether Brady participated in a scheme to deflate footballs or whether the suspension imposed by the Commissioner should have been for three games or five games or none at all. Nor is it our role to second-guess the arbitrator's procedural rulings," Judge Barrington D. Parker wrote in the majority opinion. "Our obligation is limited to determining whether the arbitration proceedings and award met the minimum legal standards established by the Labor Management Relations Act." The 2nd Circuit said the contract between players and the NFL gave the commissioner authority that was "especially broad." "Even if an arbitrator makes mistakes of fact or law, we may not disturb an award so long as he acted within the bounds of his bargained-for authority," the court said. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell insisted that the suspension was deserved. "We are pleased the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit ruled today that the Commissioner properly exercised his authority under the collective bargaining agreement to act in cases involving the integrity of the game," the NFL said in a statement. "That authority has been recognized by many courts and has been expressly incorporated into every collective bargaining agreement between the NFL and NFLPA for the past 40 years." The NFLPA expressed disappointment in the ruling in a statement and said it will review its options. "We fought Roger Goodell's suspension of Tom Brady because we know he did not serve as a fair arbitrator and that players' rights were violated under our collective bargaining agreement," the NFLPA said. The NFLPA and Brady can petition for a re-hearing in front of the same panel and then the entire 2nd Circuit Court or take their appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, though either move is unlikely and would be a steep, costly and time-consuming climb. They would have to request a stay of Brady's suspension during an appeal. The NFL has the option of implementing the full suspension or attempting to reach a settlement and avoid further appeals. Brady could miss games against the Arizona Cardinals, Miami Dolphins, Houston Texans and Buffalo Bills. He would be eligible to make his regular-season debut in Week 5 against the Cleveland Browns. Ticket market-tracking company TiqIQ said that ticket listings for at least one of the Patriots' first four games was down almost double digits since news of the Deflategate reversal broke. Listings for the Sept. 22 game at home against the Texans were down 8.22 percent on Monday, to an average of $430. Listings to the Miami and Buffalo home games were also down about 5.5 percent from Monday morning up until 3 p.m. ET. Jimmy Garoppolo is only other quarterback currently on the Patriots' roster. He threw four passes in five games last season, completing one for six yards. The Patriots had no official statement when reached by ESPN. In Las Vegas, the Patriots, who were the consensus favorite to win Super Bowl 51 at 6-1, are now the co-favorites with the Seattle Seahawks at 8-1, according to sportsbook operator CG Technology. The Green Bay Packers (9-1), Pittsburgh Steelers (9-1) and Carolina Panthers (10-1) are deemed to be the next most likely teams to win the title game. The appeals ruling follows a September decision by U.S. District Judge Richard Berman that went against the league, letting Brady skip the suspension. In his ruling, Berman cited "several significant legal deficiencies" in the league's handling of the controversy, including no advance notice of potential penalties, the refusal to produce a key witness and the apparent first-ever discipline of a player based on a finding of "general awareness" of someone else's wrongdoing. The panel on Monday said the league's discipline was properly grounded in the collective bargaining agreement and that Brady was treated fairly. Chief Judge Robert Katzmann dissented. "I am troubled by the Commissioner's decision to uphold the unprecedented four-game suspension," Katzmann said. "The Commissioner failed to even consider a highly relevant alternative penalty." The appeals court settled the issue well before the start of the 2016 season, avoiding the tension that built last year when Brady didn't learn until a week before the season that he would be allowed to start in the Patriots' opener. At oral arguments in March, appeals judges seemed skeptical of arguments made on Brady's behalf by the NFLPA. Circuit Judge Denny Chin said evidence of ball tampering was "compelling, if not overwhelming" and that there was evidence that Brady "knew about it, consented to it, encouraged it." The league argued that it was fair for Goodell to severely penalize Brady after he concluded that the prize quarterback tarnished the game by impeding the NFL's investigation by destroying a cellphone containing almost 10,000 messages. Parker said the cellphone destruction raised the stakes "from air in a football to compromising the integrity of a proceeding that the commissioner had convened." "So why couldn't the commissioner suspend Mr. Brady for that conduct alone?" he asked. Parker added: "With all due respect, Mr. Brady's explanation of that made no sense whatsoever." Parker was also critical of the NFL at the arguments, saying Brady's lengthy suspension seemed at "first blush a draconian penalty." Brady signed a two-year contract extension during the offseason that dropped his 2016 salary from $9 million to $1 million. That could save Brady almost $2 million in lost salary during a four-game suspension.
Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,
Mike Freeman, Bleacher Report — When the New England Patriots were penalized first- and fourth-round picks in May 2015 because of Deflategate, the reaction around the league could only be described as massive joy. Fist bumps and high-fives flew inside NFL front offices and locker rooms.
“When they were busted,†one front-office executive said, “I thought, ‘Good! The league finally caught those cheating douchebags.'â€
...
In the year since, something really strange and unexpected has happened.
I spoke to many of these same sources, 10 interviewed in total, and they now have completely the opposite view.
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A significant portion of the league now believes the Patriots did not in fact deflate footballs in the 2015 AFC title game against the Indianapolis Colts. And begrudgingly, these people also believe the Patriots should get those picks back.
...
They think, in effect, that what happened to the Patriots could happen to any of them.
Do you wear New England blinders?
I agree that the entire thing has been TOTALLY blown out of proportion. Doesn't mean that the Pats have been totally not guilty of the things they have been accused of. If some of these accusations were levied against my Detroit Lions I would at least be open to hear of things against them that could potentially be true.
Of course, my Lions have sucked my entire life so perhaps not a fair comparison / example. 
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Do you wear New England blinders?
I agree that the entire thing has been TOTALLY blown out of proportion. Doesn't mean that the Pats have been totally not guilty of the things they have been accused of. If some of these accusations were levied against my Detroit Lions I would at least be open to hear of things against them that could potentially be true.
Of course, my Lions have sucked my entire life so perhaps not a fair comparison / example.
Maybe I do, and I did think it was interesting to read how much opinions from within the ranks of the NFL have changed since last summer (I don't expect that the opinions of most NFL fans will change though), but I think we covered the "facts" of this case pretty well on these pages last spring/summer, and I see no reason to go back down that road again. It is in the hands of Brady and his legal team and the NFLPA to decide what, if anything, to do next. Whatever happens, I still like the Pats chances to at least get to the AFC Champ Game. Again. For the sixth year in a row. 😛
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Do you wear New England blinders?
I agree that the entire thing has been TOTALLY blown out of proportion. Doesn't mean that the Pats have been totally not guilty of the things they have been accused of. If some of these accusations were levied against my Detroit Lions I would at least be open to hear of things against them that could potentially be true.
Of course, my Lions have sucked my entire life so perhaps not a fair comparison / example.
Maybe I do, and I did think it was interesting to read how much options from within the ranks of the NFL have changed since last summer (I don't expect that the opinions of most NFL fans will change though), but I think we covered the "facts" of this case pretty well on these pages last spring/summer, and I see no reason to go back down that road again. It is in the hands of Brady and his legal team and the NFLPA to decide what, if anything, to do next. Whatever happens, I still like the Pats chances to at least get to the AFC Champ Game. Again. For the sixth year in a row. 😛
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How 'bout those last last place Red Sux? 
😉
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Do you wear New England blinders?
I agree that the entire thing has been TOTALLY blown out of proportion. Doesn't mean that the Pats have been totally not guilty of the things they have been accused of. If some of these accusations were levied against my Detroit Lions I would at least be open to hear of things against them that could potentially be true.
Of course, my Lions have sucked my entire life so perhaps not a fair comparison / example.
Maybe I do, and I did think it was interesting to read how much options from within the ranks of the NFL have changed since last summer (I don't expect that the opinions of most NFL fans will change though), but I think we covered the "facts" of this case pretty well on these pages last spring/summer, and I see no reason to go back down that road again. It is in the hands of Brady and his legal team and the NFLPA to decide what, if anything, to do next. Whatever happens, I still like the Pats chances to at least get to the AFC Champ Game. Again. For the sixth year in a row. 😛
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How 'bout those last last place Red Sux?
Dude, I know it is early in the season but you really should check the standings before saying such things.
They will blow it. Who fires Terry Francona?
😮
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Always had a feeling that the powers that be would eventually take issue with stripping away the powers of the commissioner. The history of labor law has a long list of examples of The Man siding with The Man.
Do you wear New England blinders?
I agree that the entire thing has been TOTALLY blown out of proportion. Doesn't mean that the Pats have been totally not guilty of the things they have been accused of. If some of these accusations were levied against my Detroit Lions I would at least be open to hear of things against them that could potentially be true.
Of course, my Lions have sucked my entire life so perhaps not a fair comparison / example.
Maybe I do, and I did think it was interesting to read how much options from within the ranks of the NFL have changed since last summer (I don't expect that the opinions of most NFL fans will change though), but I think we covered the "facts" of this case pretty well on these pages last spring/summer, and I see no reason to go back down that road again. It is in the hands of Brady and his legal team and the NFLPA to decide what, if anything, to do next. Whatever happens, I still like the Pats chances to at least get to the AFC Champ Game. Again. For the sixth year in a row. 😛
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How 'bout those last last place Red Sux?
Dude, I know it is early in the season but you really should check the standings before saying such things.
I meant four of the last five years or whatever it has been.
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I meant four of the last five years or whatever it has been.
It's 3 of the last 4, with a World Series Championship thrown in for good measure.
This is an NFL thread by the way.
Hey, the Nascar race is in Talladega this weekend, woo hoo, can't wait.
This is an NFL thread by the way.
Well in that case, it's 13 of the last 15 finishing not in last in the division but in 1st. 😛
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This is an NFL thread by the way.
Not for long?
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Who goes first in the draft: Derrick Henry or Zeke Elliot ?
Who goes first in the draft: Derrick Henry or Zeke Elliot ?
Ryan Leaf
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PICK OVERALL PLAYER TEAM
1 1 Jared Goff QB Cal Los Angeles (from Tennessee)
2 2 Carson Wentz QB North Dakota St. Philadelphia (from Cleveland)
3 3 Joey Bosa DE Ohio State San Diego
4 4 Ezekiel Elliott RB Ohio State Dallas
5 5 Jalen Ramsey CB Florida St. Jacksonville
6 6 Ronnie Stanley OT Notre Dame Baltimore
7 7 DeForest Buckner DE Oregon San Francisco
8 8 Jack Conklin OT Michigan St. Tennessee (from Cleveland via Philadelphia and Miami)
9 9 Leonard Floyd OLB Georgia Chicago (from Tampa Bay)
10 10 Eli Apple CB Ohio St. New York Giants
11 11 Vernon Hargreaves III CB Florida Tampa Bay (from Chicago)
12 12 Sheldon Rankins DT Louisville New Orleans
13 13 Laremy Tunsil OT Mississippi Miami (from Philadelphia)
14 14 Karl Joseph S West Virginia Oakland
15 15 Corey Coleman WR Baylor Cleveland (from Tennessee via Los Angeles)
16 16 Taylor Decker OT Ohio St. Detroit
17 17 Keanu Neal S Florida Atlanta
18 18 Ryan Kelly C Alabama Indianapolis
19 19 Shaq Lawson DE Clemson Buffalo
20 20 Darron Lee OLB Ohio St. New York Jets
21 21 Will Fuller WR Notre Dame Houston (from Washington)
22 22 Josh Doctson WR TCU Washington (from Houston)
23 23 Laquon Treadwell WR Mississippi Minnesota
24 24 William Jackson III CB Houston Cincinnati
25 25 Artie Burns CB Miami Pittsburgh
26 26 Paxton Lynch QB Memphis Denver (from Seattle)
27 27 Kenny Clark DT UCLA Green Bay
28 28 Joshua Garnett OG Stanford San Francisco (from Kansas City)
29 29 Robert Nkemdiche DT Mississippi Arizona
30 30 Vernon Butler DT Louisiana Tech Carolina
31 31 Germain Ifedi OT Texas A&M Seattle (from Denver)
I was really surprised Bosa went third. Gosh it was like the first round was Ohio State fan day or something.
Nice to see Denver get a QB. That kid is pretty good. Kind of surprised he went that low. Very clever of Denver to move up to get him.
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5 Buckeyes in the top 20 !
How about all the BOO's for Goodell?
Ha, if you didn't watch, he was roundly and soundly booed each and every time he strolled out to the podium.
Packers picked up a DT. They kind of had to after BJ Raji decided to take a sabbatical. Hopefully the kid pans out.
5 Buckeyes in the top 20 !
How about all the BOO's for Goodell?
Ha, if you didn't watch, he was roundly and soundly booed each and every time he strolled out to the podium.
Highest paid person everyone hates other than Donald Trump.
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5 Buckeyes in the top 20 !
How about all the BOO's for Goodell?
Ha, if you didn't watch, he was roundly and soundly booed each and every time he strolled out to the podium.
Every. Single. Time.... Brutal.
He might go down, actually probably will, as the worst commissioner ever in the NFL He might rival Gary Bettman of the NHL in that regard.
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For anyone who doesn't think ESPN has any problem with misreporting facts and distorting stories to suit their own agenda (or by extension, the agenda of powerful allies, ahem cough NFL) consider that on Sunday evening, as a warm up to the SNB game between the Yankees and Red Sox, ESPN re-aired "Four Days In October" which is a documentary about the 2004 Red Sox which included the epic comeback against the Yankees and they EDITED OUT any reference to Curt Schilling's bloody sock game (game 6 of that ALCS series) as if it never happened.
For anyone who doesn't think ESPN has any problem with misreporting facts and distorting stories to suit their own agenda
Which apparently consists of not having a constant religious worship of anything having to do with Boston? 😛
The Schilling thing probably has personal bitterness behind the scenes. Not surprising.
For anyone who doesn't think ESPN has any problem with misreporting facts and distorting stories to suit their own agenda
Which apparently consists of not having a constant religious worship of anything having to do with Boston? 😛
I don't know about that, but it certainly does not consist of having a constant religious worship of anything that has to do with being accurate and truthful.
The Schilling thing probably has personal bitterness behind the scenes. Not surprising.
Of course that's what it is and it isn't surprising at all that at ESPN personal bitterness would have an effect editorial content...that's the whole point!!!
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