You have to give it to Brady and Gronk in defeat. Brady had the living shit beat out of him; Gronk wasn't 100% coming in and at some point looked like the Tin man at Oz when they were giving him oxygen and rolling his legs. Hooked up for a last minute TD to almost tie it.
We'll see if Peyton can exit like Elway; but the way Carolina looks not so sure
Heartbreak. On a missed extra point by a guy who had made over 500 in a row. Damn. Tip of the cap to the Broncos defense, they were the difference.
How deflating. 😛
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha !!
x1000
Only heartbreaking for some I might add.
Huge Bronco fan yesterday !
Denver's defense was awesome. I thought it was nice to see. It should be a fun time watching Carolina and Cam going up against that great Denver defense. That said, I don't see Denver beating Carolina.
Everything in Moderation. Including Moderation.
^^
agree, except that I didn't think it was so nice to see Denver's D. They gave Brady's passing game fits.
Was this holding or OPI?
You got to hand it to Denver's D....they were the difference. Wade Phillips had a great game plan. We'll see what he has in store for Cam and the Panthers. I think Denver wins in a close, great game, 17-14.
I really thought New England was going to pull it out but with 6:00 minutes left on the 20 yard line KICK THE FIELD GOAL! That would have been the difference (and how big does that missed PAT become?). I understand you don't know if you will be down there again, but sometimes Belicheck gets too bold for his own good.
Denver's D played well, Denver's offense had a couple of nice plays but I wouldn't say they were terribly effective. Is it possible Denver gets even more crushed by Carolina than they did by Seattle two years ago? Carolina looked like a juggernaut yesterday.
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Was this holding or OPI?
Refs put the whistles away with 2 minutes to go. Easily two or three times Brady was in the grasp late in the game and threw it to no one in white with no flag.
Thought game was Pats even before the half as Manning and his O looked to be slowing down.
IMO doesn't matter who won, Superbowl is going to be ugly. Panthers are going to roll all over Bronco's.
Refs put the whistles away with 2 minutes to go. Easily two or three times Brady was in the grasp late in the game and threw it to no one in white with no flag.
They put it away months ago when it comes to Gronk, unless it was to call him for OPI. And they haven't called in the grasp in years and none of those were grounding.
Overall I had no problem with the officials, except for the 2 or 3 times Gronk got mauled and apparently they were watching something else. Not an excuse for anything just reality.
Not an excuse for anything just reality.
Not my reality, nor the refs, just yours, a disgruntled fan.
Not an excuse for anything just reality.
Not my reality, nor the refs, just yours, a disgruntled fan.
I don't know what is worse, the gloating when the Patriots win or the whining when they lose.
Patriots had a great season considering all of the injuries. They didn't lose yesterday on a missed call. They missed an extra point and only got 6 points on 3 tries deep in Denver territory at the end of the game, with some serious protection issues down the stretch.
Was this holding or OPI?
Boy you are like Jon Valjean in Les Miserables; you never quit. Looks to me like they are merely deflating Gronk's chest implants
Not an excuse for anything just reality.
Not my reality, nor the refs, just yours, a disgruntled fan.
Not disgruntled at all. I already tipped my cap to the Broncos and gave props to their defense which won them the game. But, this is, or at least was for most of this season, a reality when it comes to Rob Gronkowski that has written about and talked about for months, it's not something I am making up on my own.
Not an excuse for anything just reality.
Not my reality, nor the refs, just yours, a disgruntled fan.
I don't know what is worse, the gloating when the Patriots win or the whining when they lose.
Speaking of whining, that sounds like a pretty good whine right there. 😛
You may have missed where I said "Overall I had no problem with the officials" before commenting on what I and others thought were a couple of bad/missed calls, but hey that happens in every game and they usually even out, at least that what everyone tells me. I also said the calls/no-calls were not an excuse for anything. You may also have missed my very first post after the game, which gave props to the Broncos defense for being the difference in the game. So if you are going to whine about me whining, you may want to wait until I actually whine about something. 😛
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Heartbreak. On a missed extra point by a guy who had made over 500 in a row. Damn. Tip of the cap to the Broncos defense, they were the difference.
Reposting the above, with bold for emphasis.
And so there is no confusion...congrats to the Broncos, especially their defense which played an amazing game and came out and punched the Patriots in the nose and gave Peyton and the offense a chance to win the game. They were the better team in beating the Pats for the second time this season. Good luck to them, I think they're going to need it against Carolina.
Not an excuse for anything just reality.
Not my reality, nor the refs, just yours, a disgruntled fan.
I don't know what is worse, the gloating when the Patriots win or the whining when they lose.
Speaking of whining, that sounds like a pretty good whine right there. 😛
You may have missed where I said "Overall I had no problem with the officials" before commenting on what I and others thought were a couple of bad/missed calls, but hey that happens in every game and they usually even out, at least that what everyone tells me. I also said the calls/no-calls were not an excuse for anything. You may also have missed my very first post after the game, which gave props to the Broncos defense for being the difference in the game. So if you are going to whine about me whining, you may want to wait until I actually whine about something. 😛
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I did read your first post and if you had ended it there, fine. But you added the picture which, to me, implied "we wuz robbed". If that was the case, Denver was robbed by at least 2 and maybe 3 intentional grounding penalties that were not called. And, after the obnoxxious posts after last year, what were you expecting? Sympathy? I hope not. 
And where is piacere. He never fails to tell us about the good times but is MIA during the bad times. He is probably doing his volunteering at the Mother Theresa'a Home For Unwed Pregnant Virgins. 😛
You reap what you sow.
Edit: Don't forget THE GREATEST COACH OF ALL TIME going for it on 4th and 1 from the 16 wit 6 minutes to go in the game. He gets the field goal and his defense holds, they should have gotten the ball back. Bad call.
And, you got beat by a 71 year old QB. 
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Was this holding or OPI?
Yeah..not sure. I have seen this move alot the last couple of years and never gets called where the d back has an arm behind the receiver holding him or pulling him.
Good game, Denvers D was the difference and good game plan called by Wade. I am suprised Bill did not make adjustments to it. Brady took a beating. And I thought Manning was immobile. 😉
The defense will have to play at that level or even better to win against Carolina. I think Mannings days or over of the big drives and comebacks. He still has the brains, but some of the physical stuff is gone. He did a decent job yesterday and let the defensive shut them down for the most part.
I dont think I have ever seenn Bill talk to another coach after a game like he did with Kubiak and Manning.
Interesting Stat with Brady and Manning(s)
againast Peyton in post season 3-2 and (3-1 in AFC championships)
and 0-2 against Ely, Superbowls
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Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,
Edit: Don't forget THE GREATEST COACH OF ALL TIME going for it on 4th and 1 from the 16 wit 6 minutes to go in the game. He gets the field goal and his defense holds, they should have gotten the ball back. Bad call.
Hindsight makes it so easy for armchair coaches. Personally, I was yelling "go for it" at my TV before that play, so I had no problem with the decision at the time and am not going second guess it based on the result. What I didn't like, however, was the play call. But that's not all that unusual for me (I'm not a member of the Josh McDaniels fan club).
At the end of the day anyone can second guess any of the decisions and calls in that game, but IMO that's more nitpciky than anything...the real reason they lost is because they got beat BADLY by the Broncos d-line and their d-backs played also very well in coverage, especially on Eddleman and Amendola. Brady also made some critical mistakes, none worse than that pick to Vonn Miller. It happens, even with the G.O.A.T. QB and coach at the helm. That's football.
All that being said, I will lay some blame at the feet of BB and his staff. But in doing so I go back to week 17 and that incomprehensible game plan against Miami. It was almost like they threw that game away. WTF? Huge mistake that cost them the opportunity to play play the AFC champ game in Foxboro. Huge.
EDIT: Pats fired their o-line coach yesterday. I only wish they could coax Dante Scarnecchia out of retirement.
Denver was robbed by at least 2 and maybe 3 intentional grounding penalties that were not called
I don't think you understand the intentional grounding rule.
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Thought that was a pretty bad no call on Talib (even the Denver fan I watched the game with agreed).
Those 4th down calls were tough. At the time, the Pats couldn't move the ball at all, I suspect BB thought they might not get down there again. I'm sure someone somewhere knows what has better odds, FG + TD or TD + 2 pt conversion
Denver's D was fantastic. If the Pats had a running game to keep the front 7 honest that might have helped.
I don't see Carolina losing, but we'll find out soon.
Thought that was a pretty bad no call on Talib (even the Denver fan I watched the game with agreed).
See, I'm not the only one!!! 😛
Another reason for Patriot haters to celebrate! 😛
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Thought that was a pretty bad no call on Talib (even the Denver fan I watched the game with agreed).
See, I'm not the only one!!! 😛
What did you think about the no calls when Brady intentionally grounded the ball. 😛
Go Panthers.
Thought that was a pretty bad no call on Talib (even the Denver fan I watched the game with agreed).
See, I'm not the only one!!! 😛
What did you think about the no calls when Brady intentionally grounded the ball.
Well, as I already said twice, those were not intentional grounding fouls. Hell, even that Patriots-hating d-bag Phil Simms knew it. 😛
Here is a non-partisan (hard to say that with a straight face about anything that involves that Patriot-hating network ESPN, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt here) explanation that might help:
And a few words on intentional grounding ...
I saw plenty of demands for intentional grounding penalties against Brady via social media Sunday, but I didn't see any plays that qualified.
The NFL rule book requires a penalty "if a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage because of pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion. A realistic chance of completion is defined as a pass that lands in the direction and the vicinity of an originally eligible receiver."
Although Brady was clearly throwing the ball to avoid a sack in many of those situations, he had enough knowledge of the Patriots' route combinations to know where his receivers would be. "Vicinity" is a matter of judgment, but there seemed to be an eligible receiver close enough in each instance.
Some of you noted that Brady's throws did not always reach the line of scrimmage, but that requirement is only relevant in cases where the quarterback leaves the pocket and throws with no receiver in the vicinity. As long as he is out of the pocket in those situations, and the ball goes past the line of scrimmage, it is not intentional grounding. Having a receiver near the ball is the only requirement to avoid a penalty in passes thrown for the pocket.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/196908/ed-hochuli-did-not-beat-the-patriots
The Patriots get their share of calls/no calls in their favor, that was quite evident in the playoff game against the Chiefs.
It is entertaining, however, to hear the Patriots and their fans expect the league to help them at every turn when they spent so many months telling anyone who would listen how clueless and inept the NFL is...
The Patriots get their share of calls/no calls in their favor, that was quite evident in the playoff game against the Chiefs.
Spoken like a true Chiefs fan. 😛
It is entertaining, however, to hear the Patriots and their fans expect the league to help them at every turn when they spent so many months telling anyone who would listen how clueless and inept the NFL is...
When it comes to how PI was called on plays involving Gronk all season long, they certainly did prove how cluess and inept they are. I know, I know, spoken like a true Pats fan. 😛
Fitzy sums it up like only he can (NSFW)...
Fitzy's Wicked Pissah AFC Championship WTF-Cast
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Spoken like a true Chiefs fan.
Oh? Tell me why we are supposed to vilify Vontaze Burfict but give Danny Amendola an attaboy?
The Patriots have plenty of things go their way, just like most home teams.
When it comes to how PI was called on plays involving Gronk all season long, they certainly did prove how cluess and inept they are.
You guys are bigger and better than the League itself. You shouldn't need PI calls to win games.
Spoken like a true Chiefs fan.
Oh? Tell me why we are supposed to vilify Vontaze Burfict but give Danny Amendola an attaboy?
No one is giving Amendola an attaboy, in fact he was flagged and fined. Regardless, it is apples and oranges. Your a smart guy, you should know that. But sometimes being a fan clouds perception (and I am as guilty of that as anyone...maybe even on this point, but I don't think so).
The Patriots have plenty of things go their way, just like most home teams.
No doubt!
Not sure if you are referring to the plays we've been talking about here, but this week they were in Denver and yet no grounding calls on Brady, and last week they were at home and Amendola was flagged. So not sure how this is all that relevant, but I agree nonetheless.
When it comes to how PI was called on plays involving Gronk all season long, they certainly did prove how clueless and inept they are.
You guys are bigger and better than the League itself. You shouldn't need PI calls to win games.
I didn't say they do, or that it's why they lost. In fact I'll say this for the 3rd or 4th time: Denver won by punching New England in the mouth and making more plays, everything else is just nitpitcking.
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