Was this "directive" a lawful order?
What a bunch of B.S. the blind leading the blind. "Well gee whiz, the government has "directed" me to stay in my house, they must know what they are doing, they are the government"
"Can I go to the beach"? NO....But you can golf!
Wake up!...The "Experts" are making this up as they go along.
It takes one delusional idiot to think they know more than experts in medicine. angry and confused by laws, a bizarre overuse of quotes in your writing, alone with muleman in your corner.....what a mess you are.
You are the last person here to be handing out advice of any type.
Still waiting for the Playground Liberation Front members to answer a simple common sense question:
"Would you allow your kids to play on playground equipment after a bunch of other kids just used it?"
Yes, life goes on. What makes a playground any more dangerous than any other thing a child may touch? Wash your hands, right?
So, when will it be deemed safe?...a month? 2? 6? 12?
When the "experts" tell us it is safe?
When the curve has flattened?
When the death toll declines?
Do you take your kids out of the house at any time?..What do they touch?
Ludicrous.
She wasn't by herself and she wasn't following guidelines.
"Guidelines" is that similar to a Law?
More importantly she did not comply with the police directive when asked.
Was this "directive" a lawful order?
What a bunch of B.S. the blind leading the blind. "Well gee whiz, the government has "directed" me to stay in my house, they must know what they are doing, they are the government"
"Can I go to the beach"? NO....But you can golf!
Wake up!...The "Experts" are making this up as they go along.
So, if the police ask you to leave a closed area and you refuse, they police shouldn't be able to enforce the closure? Just wondering, because a lot of blacks get beat up or shot by police because they didn't comply with a police order, and the right-wingers always say it wouldn't have happened if he would have complied with the police order.
Simple one, $1,000.00 fine. Next time $2,500.00, then 6 months.........Peace........joe
Sherriff Joe is ready to round up the redhats. Lol. Whats your strategy for illegals? 1000/ month to start and Free room and board?
I'm confused. What do illegals have to do with this thread?
So, if the police ask you to leave a closed area and you refuse, they police shouldn't be able to enforce the closure? Just wondering, because a lot of blacks get beat up or shot by police because they didn't comply with a police order, and the right-wingers always say it wouldn't have happened if he would have complied with the police order.
Me?....Individual decision. Your call and how much are willing to pay for what you believe is right and wrong. As far as your last sentence and the statement attributed to "right wingers" Is the policeman enforcing a Law, or control?..It matters.
Do you take your kids out of the house at any time?..What do they touch?
Ludicrous.
Why do I get the impression you have never had kids? Or at least never been a primary caregiver. Have you ever changed a diaper in your life? You have zero clue how gross they are. Why are you making such a huge deal out of keeping kids from sharing spaces for a while ? Take a chill pill Bill !
Try not to let what I think and write bother you so much.....
Still waiting for the Playground Liberation Front members to answer a simple common sense question:
"Would you allow your kids to play on playground equipment after a bunch of other kids just used it?"
Given your question and given the state of a live & deadly pandemic, I'll answer that one. My answer is absolutely not. I raised a daughter and did take her when she was young to the park / playground all the time. However given our existing condition, I wouldn't want my child anywhere near playground equipment.
And this is another example similar to those protesting for "freedoms" and gov't taking away their economy and rights. The hell with a pandemic that kills. I would question the sanity of any parent letting their child on playground equipment right now. This is an invitation for bad bad things to happen.
I wouldn't want my child anywhere near playground equipment.
Does your child ever leave the house?......Where does she go and what does she touch?...Does she go to Wal-Mart?...The Grocery Store?
Groceries and cleaning supplies = essential
Playground = Luxury
Pretty simple logic there
Also kinda funny all our civil rights crusaders here are quick to defend a white woman in Idaho ignoring a state order and the protesting hordes of red hats around the country but not even a mention of the two African American men in Illinois harassed and intimidated by a cop for wearing medical masks in a Walmart.
Guess that's all part of the MAGA doctrine
Couple of different sources here and many more for those who care to follow the story. It was closer to the St. Louis burbs than Chicago.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/09/masks-racial-profiling-walmart-coronavirus/
Groceries and cleaning supplies = essential
Playground = Luxury
Pretty simple logic there
"Pretty simple logic" if, you live in a big city or a densely populated area. I don't think this is a one size fits all type of problem, so no, it's not simple logic. Meridian Idaho, is not NYC. Here in Sedona, Az almost everything is open; 1 death attributed to Covid....
Groceries and cleaning supplies = essential
Playground = Luxury
Pretty simple logic there
"Pretty simple logic" if, you live in a big city or a densely populated area. I don't think this is a one size fits all type of problem, so no, it's not simple logic. Meridian Idaho, is not NYC. Here in Sedona, Az almost everything is open; 1 death attributed to Covid....
Excuse me for trampling on your civil liberties but I would think such an astute observationist as yourself would understand that
Food=essential and Playground=luxury is pretty universal unless you need your playtime that badly.
Here in Sedona, Az almost everything is open; 1 death attributed to Covid....
Your frame of reference is Sedona?
Nice try, but no. My frame of reference as you put it is that just as stated in a prior post, I don't feel at all that one solution fits every community. Once again, arresting a woman in a small town for taking her kids to a closed playground is right up there with San Diego arresting windsurfers, asinine. Meanwhile, other communities are releasing people from jail while some enclaves are celebrating their Golf courses being open....
And it would appear your "frame of reference" is that what happens in big cities should dictate "policy" for the rest of the U.S. But thanks for making my point, Sedona is not S.F. and small town Oregon is equally as far from NYC..
Groceries and cleaning supplies = essential
Playground = Luxury
Pretty simple logic there
"Pretty simple logic" if, you live in a big city or a densely populated area. I don't think this is a one size fits all type of problem, so no, it's not simple logic. Meridian Idaho, is not NYC. Here in Sedona, Az almost everything is open; 1 death attributed to Covid....
Excuse me for trampling on your civil liberties but I would think such an astute observationist as yourself would understand that
Food=essential and Playground=luxury is pretty universal unless you need your playtime that badly.
And just who makes that distinction as to what is essential? Are hardware stores essential? How about restaurant take out? Realtors? How about off road vehicle rentals? Staples? Is the line in the sand fluid?..Maybe it varies from community to community? How about "Stay at home"?...Can you go for a walk?...a drive? a bike ride? A motorcycle ride?....Who & what determines what is play? This is NOT a one size fits all problem.
"Playground = Luxury
Disagree Pal
Admit it, you wouldn't touch a burger handed to you from a fastfood drive-up window right now!
The turquoise arches of MacDonald's are open here and doing a brisk business, so...someone is going there. I have zero problems with the drive through at Starbucks where they serve food.....
Your viewpoints are respected but vehemently disagreed with.
So playgrounds and recreational areas are now entitlements.... that sounds like the rhetoric of a..... SOCIALIST
"Playground = Luxury
Disagree PalDo you have a point other than that you disagree with some laws, and also, why should any of us care which laws you like and dislike?
Because some redneck in Arizona's opinion is THE LAW apparently
"Playground = Luxury
Disagree PalDo you have a point other than that you disagree with some laws, and also, why should any of us care which laws you like and dislike?
Because some redneck in Arizona's opinion is THE LAW apparently
Well, that was where Joe Arpaio was sheriff, & he seemed to take the law into his own hands. So that must be a state where people's opinions are the laws.
Admit it, you wouldn't touch a burger handed to you from a fastfood drive-up window right now!
The turquoise arches of MacDonald's are open here and doing a brisk business, so...someone is going there. I have zero problems with the drive through at Starbucks where they serve food.....
Your viewpoints are respected but vehemently disagreed with.
What exactly do you think is so different? Restaurants pretty much every where are doing take out and delivery (including NYC). The issue is places where people congregate - bars, churches, parks, stadiums, theaters, etc. California had a lock down after they got hit hard with COVID cases before they even knew it. Other areas less densely populated are trying to be preventative so they don't have to be as aggressive in their response. It's really not that much to ask that you stay away from a park. Most people aren't taking their kids out of the house if they don't have to, these rules are often made for the dumbest or least responsible (like anti-vacc'ers). Because if everyone ignored them and went to the beach or the park, then you have an issue. Also, it protects park employees.
these rules are often made for the dumbest or least responsible (like anti-vacc'ers).
Thank God for that liberal mindset, you know the one, some people can not think for themselves, so we are here to make rules for their benefit, (not laws) because clearly, they are not capable of making their own decisions.
Jeez us
these rules are often made for the dumbest or least responsible (like anti-vacc'ers).
Thank God for that liberal mindset, you know the one, some people can not think for themselves, so we are here to make rules for their benefit, (not laws) because clearly, they are not capable of making their own decisions.
Nope, it's not partisan nor is it about interfering with rights, you've missed the entire point. It's about how some people think rules don't apply to them. If everyone went to the park (or beach, or theater) because they wanted to, you'd have an increased chance of spreading a deadly virus. For most people, that is super obvious, but some people do whatever they want to do regardless if it's safe or smart or because they are just a dick, so we have to write the rule down for them (like the Republican Gov or Idaho did in this case). That's where laws come from, even the basic ones like "don't kill". Seems obvious, right? But it's a law. Look it up.
This isn't 'nam. There are rules.
UPDATE: I made a quick run to the market the other day and a guy waiting outside the door says too me, "there's a line to get in because of the fake virus." Nice luxury to have, disbelieving reality completely, considering all of the death and pain this virus has caused. So yeah, some rules are aimed directly at the stupids.
[Edited on 4/27/2020 by porkchopbob]
Try looking at what folks are doing right for a change. I am proud of the huge effort we are making - it is a royal pain but for the most part America is doing a damn good job on this.
Yep. And as bad as the numbers are, if everyone just said f it & did what they wanted, the impact to society would be worse, & the numbers would be horribly more than they are now. At some point in time, people need to look at the big picture and not just the "me factor" and "my liberty thing for the sake".
So to your point - there is a lot of good going on, & I've seen many altruistic efforts.
Try looking at what folks are doing right for a change. I am proud of the huge effort we are making - it is a royal pain but for the most part America is doing a damn good job on this.
Yep. And as bad as the numbers are, if everyone just said f it & did what they wanted, the impact to society would be worse, & the numbers would be horribly more than they are now. At some point in time, people need to look at the big picture and not just the "me factor" and "my liberty thing for the sake".
So to your point - there is a lot of good going on, & I've seen many altruistic efforts.
Speaking of altruism, Saturday I saw the guy who operates the gas station next to my house save a stupid hillbilly who had overdosed. This guy's girlfriend pulled into the gas station and was standing in the parking lot screaming into her phone, so my wife and I ran over there to see if she needed help. Before we could even get across our yard, the gas station operator had pulled the guy out of the car and was doing chest compressions on him in the parking lot. This guy was dead, he looked like a corpse. The chest compressions kept him alive until the EMTs and police got there.
The gas station operator is an immigrant from India, I don't know what his legal status is - and I don't care. The junky was not wearing a mask, and the gas station operator wears one inside the store, but he was outside pulling trash so he was not wearing his either. Right now chest compressions on anyone is very risky.
It was kind of hot outside, and before the EMTs and police left, he had gone into the store and brought out bottled water from the cooler to hand out to them.
I really hope he doesn't get sick.
There is a stay-at-home order in effect still, but this guy was shooting up in a car going down the road. He put a lot of people at risk.
Hey I wanted to say thanks to everyone who posted messages concerning my dad's passing.
We had to do things in ways that nobody would have ever imagined, and it was hard. But, we all understand that the last thing anyone needed was someone else getting sick. If anyone has the right to be pissed about the restrictions, it's people who have to deal with a death right now, not people who can't go boating... or to the playground.
Nope, it's not partisan nor is it about interfering with rights, you've missed the entire point.
Nope, it has nothing to do with "Missing the point". Your truth, is not mine. I flat out disagree with the narrative, plain and simple, until there are concrete facts that these measures have defeated this virus, that you can not get it again, that the published death tolls have not been inflated, that the experts do in fact know what they are talking about and so many other points...I will stand by this position... And that is exactly what it is, stand up for your rights or lose them.
Nope, it's not partisan nor is it about interfering with rights, you've missed the entire point.
Nope, it has nothing to do with "Missing the point". Your truth, is not mine. I flat out disagree with the narrative, plain and simple, until there are concrete facts that these measures have defeated this virus, that you can not get it again, that the published death tolls have not been inflated, that the experts do in fact know what they are talking about and so many other points...I will stand by this position... And that is exactly what it is, stand up for your rights or lose them.
Wow you really want to go to the park, huh?
The fact that we don't know for certain that you can't get it more than once only furthers the case for more strict social distancing. If anything, the death tolls and number of reported cases are probably lower than the truth since some people are asymptomatic, or got before people were really aware they were in danger of being exposed to COVID. Experts are using a lot of evidence and data, based on similar previous viruses. But if you want to insist that the world is flat until you walk around it yourself, be my guest.
Nope, it's not partisan nor is it about interfering with rights, you've missed the entire point.
Nope, it has nothing to do with "Missing the point". Your truth, is not mine. I flat out disagree with the narrative, plain and simple, until there are concrete facts that these measures have defeated this virus, that you can not get it again, that the published death tolls have not been inflated, that the experts do in fact know what they are talking about and so many other points...I will stand by this position... And that is exactly what it is, stand up for your rights or lose them.
Wow you really want to go to the park, huh?
The fact that we don't know for certain that you can't get it more than once only furthers the case for more strict social distancing. If anything, the death tolls and number of reported cases are probably lower than the truth since some people are asymptomatic, or got before people were really aware they were in danger of being exposed to COVID. Experts are using a lot of evidence and data, based on similar previous viruses. But if you want to insist that the world is flat until you walk around it yourself, be my guest.
X2, PCB
It just goes to show that Trump doesn't have a monopoly on conspiracy theories. They too are contagious.
But if you want to insist that the world is flat until you walk around it yourself, be my guest.
Ludicrous and you don't even get a "Nice try" for that feeble attempt at an analogy.
But if you want to insist that the world is flat until you walk around it yourself, be my guest.
Ludicrous and you don't even get a "Nice try" for that feeble attempt at an analogy.
You're creating your own narrative, in the face of expert testimony. This thread is one giant tantrum from your desert bubble.
If a public park is closed by order of the Governor, you don't have the right to go into the park. The police enforced that order. Don't like it? Move to Idaho and vote. Or take a knee.
