OK, so the park was "closed" and taped off......

But c'mon man....

So you'll take a knee to protest the police actions, right?

You can see in the distance, there is a ton of people standing around watching. Doesn't appear to have much social distancing going on there.

"Who's your fuhrer"?

(Spelling edit. I'm not up on my German)

[Edited on 4/22/2020 by piacere]

A little more information on this:

The protestors and the following groups need to be ticketed. No mask, no gloves, big crowd.

Just a big outbreak waiting to happen, and all those kids in the mix.

Or they no longer have the influence to be able to effectively make that demand on behalf of the citizenry

Guessing similar scenes are occurring in rising numbers at parks & playgrounds - people have been cooped up both by winter & the virus, they need to get outdoors
As was said, a full scale riot over this stuff in the coming months is not a far fetched possibility, unfortunately

[Edited on 4/22/2020 by Stephen]

You can see in the distance, there is a ton of people standing around watching. Doesn't appear to have much social distancing going on there.

Nor were the Police wearing masks or gloves....

OK, so the park was "closed" and taped off......

But c'mon man....

So you'll take a knee to protest the police actions, right?

No, I called the Dept, directly.

..and trolls .... don't forget the trolls....

The mothers was observing the guidelines.
Her civil rights were violated.

Back in the day the democrats demanded a citizen's civil rights be honored.
Obviously the democrats no longer have any honor.

As you pointed out in your original post, she was trespassing. And what exactly do Democrats have to do with this? It was an order issued by a Republican governor in a state with an all Republican legislature, in a town with a Republican mayor. Idaho is the one of the most Republican states in the country. I'm surprised they even let Democrats in for a visit. Kind of a hail mary trying to blame this on Democrats. There probably wasn't a Democrat within a mile of this.

Trolls are SAD!

I have not looked into this story at all, but from a few comments here...if the park was closed and clearly marked as closed, I'm not sure if it was marked no trespassing or if the explicit signage of no trespassing on that legally matters, bottom line...you do something against a legal order in any of these states you run the risk of being fined or arrested. It isn't that I like it, but it is the way it is. Actually, if it wasn't so burdensome now and weird and all, there are a few things across the country I would like to see challenged in court to see just how far and how legal are some of these orders really. Until then, people will get caught up in it unfortunately. To the intent of the thread, yeah WFT, you really got to arrest a parent for doing this? But legally, do they have the right to do it? That is what courts are for.

you do something against a legal order in any of these states you run the risk of being fined or arrested. It isn't that I like it, but it is the way it is.

Yeah ,that sums it up pretty good, plain and simple. Not sure what needs to be questioned beyond that.

It may seem petty , but if you are not following the law, pay the consequences. Sorry. I don think the police really want to go out and evict people from a playground, but the have a job they are told to do , so be it.

I would not want to be an officer a deal with the general public. It can be painful.

I really would like to see legal challenges to states like Michigan and Colorado forbidding both in state residents and out of state residents from the use of their private property.

The idea, appearing well intentioned, was to reduce the risk and strain on rural healthcare facilities who lack capacity for a surge of covid-19 patients. But the restriction on somebody from Detroit or Denver to not allow them to travel to and stay in a second home they may have on the lake or in the mountains brings up real legal questions.

I really would like to see legal challenges to states like Michigan and Colorado forbidding both in state residents and out of state residents from the use of their private property.

The idea, appearing well intentioned, was to reduce the risk and strain on rural healthcare facilities who lack capacity for a surge of covid-19 patients. But the restriction on somebody from Detroit or Denver to not allow them to travel to and stay in a second home they may have on the lake or in the mountains brings up real legal questions.

My sister lives on a lake in Michigan and she mentioned this the other day.
https://www.wxyz.com/news/coronavirus/boating-jet-skiing-banned-under-michigan-stay-at-home-order-kayaking-allowed

(WXYZ) — Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer extended the state's stay-at-home order on Thursday, and using a motorboat, jet ski or other similar watercraft is not allowed.

The state clarified the order in a FAQ section, asking if boating constituted an outdoor activity

Related: Golf is 'not necessary to sustain life' and still banned under stay-at-home order, Whitmer says

While physical outdoor activity is allowed, like kayaking, canoeing and sailing, "using a motorboat, a jet ski, or other similar watercraft is not. Any outdoor activity permitted under the order, including boating, must be done in a manner consistent with social distancing, and individuals should use only their own equipment to prevent the transmission of the virus through the touching of shared surfaces."

"While some boating is permitted under the order, the provision of boating services or supplies does not itself constitute critical infrastructure work, and businesses and operations may not designate workers to come to work for that purpose. As needed, these businesses and operations may designate workers to leave their home for work if their in-person presence is strictly necessary to conduct the minimum basic operations listed in section 4(b) of the order. Minimum basic operations do not include serving members of the public. The order, however, does permit in-person work necessary to maintain the safety and sanitation of sites otherwise open to the public for outdoor physical activity permitted under the order. All in-person work permitted under the order must be done in accordance with the mitigation measures listed in section 10 of the order," the clarification reads.

The Department of Natural Resources has gotten many reports about the heavy use of boat launches across the state, and the congregation of people at the launches.

"In addition, people who use motorized watercraft typically have to procure secondary services for their craft, such as parts and gasoline, that could unnecessarily increase contact with others and spread disease," the DNR said. "The hope is that the prohibition on the use of motorized watercraft will reduce the movement of people within the state and potential contact among people, with the intent of slowing the spread of the coronavirus."

OK, so the park was "closed" and taped off......

But c'mon man....

And here's "the rest of the story" : https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lesterfeder/coronavirus-sara-walton-brady-video?fbclid=IwAR0zqKHn1Wsst7njoHik5ZnC0bOpN7jja1r2Sbg8DtGD7xOnikQUFi4GR1o

rightwing anti-vaxxer nutjob.

My dad was in a nursing home and died last Friday of COVID-19. I assume a staff member unknowing brought the virus into the facility. I assume that staff member is dealing with feelings of guilt like few of us have ever imagined. At least six patients and three other staff members have tested positive.

I am not a fan of the government telling people what they can and can't do, but people are dying. 45,000 people have died in roughly six weeks in the U.S. while these restrictions have been in place. We have no idea how many more would have died if we had just carried on as usual. Precautions that I would have thought were insane in the past are valid right now. If I went to a movie theatre and got infected and spread it to one of my older coworkers, and they died, I could not live with myself.

I understand that many people are out of work, and that is a desperately stressful scenario as well. I have to respect their frustration at the government telling them that their businesses need to be closed. However, people who are protesting because they want to be able to take the kids to the playground or the movies are not standing up for liberty. They are reckless and unwilling to make a temporary sacrifice to limit the deaths of their neighbors.

I had eleven days to think about this while my dad was sick and people were protesting. It is not an abstraction to me at this point.

My dad was in a nursing home and died last Friday of COVID-19. I assume a staff member unknowing brought the virus into the facility. I assume that staff member is dealing with feelings of guilt like few of us have ever imagined. At least six patients and three other staff members have tested positive.

I am not a fan of the government telling people what they can and can't do, but people are dying. 45,000 people have died in roughly six weeks in the U.S. while these restrictions have been in place. We have no idea how many more would have died if we had just carried on as usual. Precautions that I would have thought were insane in the past are valid right now. If I went to a movie theatre and got infected and spread it to one of my older coworkers, and they died, I could not live with myself.

I understand that many people are out of work, and that is a desperately stressful scenario as well. I have to respect their frustration at the government telling them that their businesses need to be closed. However, people who are protesting because they want to be able to take the kids to the playground or the movies are not standing up for liberty. They are reckless and unwilling to make a temporary sacrifice to limit the deaths of their neighbors.

I had eleven days to think about this while my dad was sick and people were protesting. It is not an abstraction to me at this point.

So sorry to hear this. Thoughts are with you.

We hope that this pandemic and what we're experiencing is short term and no more than an intermediate term thing. People must realize that we are now now living in a more guarded and maybe an alternative reality if there is such a thing. A little common sense goes a long way, or at least it should. Now isn't the time to throw caution to the wind. I've seen the voice of reason and leadership, Andrew Cuomo speak several times in the last few days. He frames things in a clearly defined and practical manner. He basically said that " “economic hardship doesn't equal death”. There are articles on this. Our day to day lives will return, economies will resume albeit in potentially different form (cyclone described this quite well in a post), but death is absolute. Granted - there can be an esoretical or philosophical discussion of the last item.

Again, adhill - prayers be with you.

A group of people removed police caution tape to enter the closed playground, the Idaho Statesman reported, and Brady refused police requests to leave before she was arrested. Brady was charged with misdemeanor trespassing and released later on Tuesday.

Being an advocate for States being able to handle this crisis with the means they see in the best interests of their citizens, this is just nuts to me. Absolute nuts. Here in Sedona, Az. restaurants are open for "Take out & curb side service only", hardware and home improvement stores are open, Real Estate offices, Jeep Rentals and the Quickie marts in gas stations as well. How many of these are "essential"? It's the open interpretation of the recommendations that slays me. One state is letting people out of Jail "because of the virus" while another puts one in jail for going to a park. Yet another state arrests a windsurfer, while another allows golf courses to be open. This whole thing is nuts and I don't feel that one's political philosophy has diddly squat to do with it. "Essential" is laughable and if this is the way that local, state and federal gov'ts are going to process this issue, then we are in for a long drawn out catastrophe that will never be fixed by people wearing facemasks as they travel alone in their cars and the continued sell job of "social distancing"....

"You can stand in line in a convenience store, but you can't go to a park"

Follow the money

My dad was in a nursing home and died last Friday of COVID-19. I assume a staff member unknowing brought the virus into the facility. I assume that staff member is dealing with feelings of guilt like few of us have ever imagined. At least six patients and three other staff members have tested positive.

I am not a fan of the government telling people what they can and can't do, but people are dying. 45,000 people have died in roughly six weeks in the U.S. while these restrictions have been in place. We have no idea how many more would have died if we had just carried on as usual. Precautions that I would have thought were insane in the past are valid right now. If I went to a movie theatre and got infected and spread it to one of my older coworkers, and they died, I could not live with myself.

I understand that many people are out of work, and that is a desperately stressful scenario as well. I have to respect their frustration at the government telling them that their businesses need to be closed. However, people who are protesting because they want to be able to take the kids to the playground or the movies are not standing up for liberty. They are reckless and unwilling to make a temporary sacrifice to limit the deaths of their neighbors.

I had eleven days to think about this while my dad was sick and people were protesting. It is not an abstraction to me at this point.

First of all, allow me to express my condolences to you and to your family.

I touched on this elsewhere - so many Americans take it personally when they are advised/warned against doing something dangerous. This, "how dare they" attitude will likely result in several deaths.

I have seen many around here testing the limits placed on their activities. The signs for the beaches announce, OPEN FOR EXERCISE ONLY. I've watched many pull their surf boards and coolers out of their cars before heading to the sand. I heard one guy argue with the police officer, "surfing is a sport - therefore surfing is exercising!"

To digress slightly, it mirrors the attitudes of the 2nd Amendment fanatics who will never believe that this country has a firearms problem until one of their loved ones gets gun downed at school/church/mall/movie theater. It just ain't real until it hits home.

Again - so sad to hear of your loss. Peace to you.

Adhill, it is so very sad what is happening in nursing homes and I hate hearing you had to go through this. Thanks for the personal perspective related to what is going on. When we are out and about we all have a responsibility to act as if we are infected so to limit any spread.

OK, so the park was "closed" and taped off......

But c'mon man....

And here's "the rest of the story" : https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lesterfeder/coronavirus-sara-walton-brady-video?fbclid=IwAR0zqKHn1Wsst7njoHik5ZnC0bOpN7jja1r2Sbg8DtGD7xOnikQUFi4GR1o

rightwing anti-vaxxer nutjob.

Exactly, clearly a stunt intended to bait. Is playing in parks while people suffer and die really the hill you want to die on, BIGV? Sure, there's a disparity in the degree to which some areas are affected, but that's merely a luxury of time.

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Really sorry to hear, adhill, my condolences...

I'm so sorry to hear about your Dad Adhill. Best wishes for you and your family.

I am less concerned about closing a play ground, because as Brer says, a bunch of kids and their hands just after picking their nose and hands in their mouth are all over the slide, the rails, the swing set, etc. I really doubt those police officers really wanted to arrest somebody for this, they are put in an awkward position.

I am more concerned in Michigan that you can ride your pedal bicycle, but not your dirt bike. You can be in your kayak, but not your fishing boat with a 10 HP motor on it.

Sure, if you need gasoline for the dirt bike or boat engine...just like you might have to put gas in your car or truck taking your bike to the trail or kayak to the lake. Gas stations are open for those that need gas for any reason, there is no sign that says "gas pumps only open for those providing essential services".

There is no guidebook on this stuff. I can form opinions on what other states are doing, but I really can only be critical of what is happening in my state and my Governor. Ohio has not restricted Ohioans from going cottages or homes they might have Lake Erie as he was specifically asked this based on what some other states had done. I am not aware of any motorized restrictions in Ohio. Ohio also has not cut off sales of non-essential items like gardening supplies or paint in stores like Michigan has. I don't really keep up on what other states all do or don't do, sometimes you hear about the ones who overreach.

What Ohio has done is close play grounds and in some cases taken down basketball hoops. I don't have a problem with that.

OK, so the park was "closed" and taped off......

But c'mon man....

And here's "the rest of the story" : https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lesterfeder/coronavirus-sara-walton-brady-video?fbclid=IwAR0zqKHn1Wsst7njoHik5ZnC0bOpN7jja1r2Sbg8DtGD7xOnikQUFi4GR1o

rightwing anti-vaxxer nutjob.

Exactly, clearly a stunt intended to bait. Is playing in parks while people suffer and die really the hill you want to die on, BIGV? Sure, there's a disparity in the degree to which some areas are affected, but that's merely a luxury of time.

[Edited on 4/23/2020 by porkchopbob]

No one was near the mother. She was following the guidelines.
Her civil rights were violated.
Apparently the lefties no longer support a citizen's civil rights.

She wasn't by herself and she wasn't following guidelines. More importantly she did not comply with the police directive when asked. If she was asked to vacate and she did, she wouldn't have been arrested. Not that different than the occupy protests. Had they left when directed they wouldn't have been directed. And yes, I agree that the occupy protesters deserved to be arrested as well.

Michigan just revised their order, still a stay-at-home, but now allow stores to see landscaping items, paint along with other items that were previous restricted for purchase. Michigan will now also allow residents to travel to between their home to camps/cottages/lake homes although it is discouraged. Motorized boating will also be allowed.

Simple one, $1,000.00 fine. Next time $2,500.00, then 6 months.........Peace........joe

Simple one, $1,000.00 fine. Next time $2,500.00, then 6 months.........Peace........joe

Sherriff Joe is ready to round up the redhats. Lol. Whats your strategy for illegals? 1000/ month to start and Free room and board?

She wasn't by herself and she wasn't following guidelines.

"Guidelines" is that similar to a Law?

More importantly she did not comply with the police directive when asked.

Was this "directive" a lawful order?

What a bunch of B.S. the blind leading the blind. "Well gee whiz, the government has "directed" me to stay in my house, they must know what they are doing, they are the government"

"Can I go to the beach"? NO....But you can golf!

Wake up!...The "Experts" are making this up as they go along.