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Major EPA screw up. Millions of gallons of waste turn Colorado river yellow

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LeglizHemp
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33856444


 
Posted : August 10, 2015 1:30 pm
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What a beautiful shade of yellow.


 
Posted : August 10, 2015 2:30 pm
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And of course we have to hear it from a foreign news agency.

"Put in your earplugs, put on your eyeshades, you know where to put the cork."


 
Posted : August 10, 2015 3:36 pm
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What a beautiful shade of yellow.

Looks like cadmium to me. Cadmium is one of the most toxic substances known to man. The article briefly mentions arsenic and lead, arsenic is yellow too. "No threat to wildlife" my *ss!!! That much yellow from heavy metals is a huge toxic load.


 
Posted : August 10, 2015 3:42 pm
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And of course we have to hear it from a foreign news agency.

"Put in your earplugs, put on your eyeshades, you know where to put the cork."

Great observation. Add this to the mass-water-poisoning in West Virginia and the fertilizer plant that blew up in Texas to name two other mass manufacturing disasters that get blacked-out by the mass media.

Tens of thousands of US citizens are affected by these three incidents alone and yet all we hear about are "Terrorists! OhMyGodTerrorists!" because the FBI induced some mentally unstable teenager into showing up at a sting.

It makes me sick.


 
Posted : August 10, 2015 3:46 pm
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i could have chosen an American website also, my bad.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/10/us/colorado-epa-mine-river-spill/index.html


 
Posted : August 10, 2015 3:56 pm
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That's good, but still not as interesting as Kim Kardashian.

Pretty boring really, yawn, only upwards of thirty million people depend on the Colorado for drinking water. Here, drink some arsenic and lead and cadmium, Little Johnny, it's good for you!


 
Posted : August 10, 2015 4:14 pm
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And try as I might, I can't find what kind of mine it was. I love this: the BBC reported arsenic and lead, American report says iron, zinc, and copper, hell no worse than a mineral supplement right?

Cadmium is associated with zinc, anyway. Yellow is superduper toxic, going to be cadmium, or arsenic or both.


 
Posted : August 10, 2015 4:23 pm
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And doesn't that river provide water for the majority of the South West and Northern Mexico?


 
Posted : August 10, 2015 5:14 pm
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I doubt The EPA itself broke the holding unit. It was probably a company contracted by The EPA.
That of course makes it the EPA’s responsibility.

Like the Southwest didn’t already have water problems.

Curiously The EPA has not taken responsibility for this eco-disaster

They should just blame it all on the nefarious I.P. Freely.

[Edited on 8/11/2015 by Muleman1994]


 
Posted : August 10, 2015 5:54 pm
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I doubt The EPA itself broke the holding unit. It was probably a company contracted by The EPA.
That of course makes it the EPA’s responsibility.

Like the Southwest didn’t already have water problems.

Curiously The EPA has not taken responsibility for this eco-disaster

They should just blame it all on the nefarious I.P. Freely.

[Edited on 8/11/2015 by Muleman1994]

The EPA took responsibility in the link from CNN that LeglizHemp posted.


 
Posted : August 10, 2015 6:21 pm
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Apparently an abandoned gold mine.

Sh*t happens.


 
Posted : August 11, 2015 3:35 am
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I doubt The EPA itself broke the holding unit. It was probably a company contracted by The EPA.
That of course makes it the EPA’s responsibility.

Like the Southwest didn’t already have water problems.

Curiously The EPA has not taken responsibility for this eco-disaster

They should just blame it all on the nefarious I.P. Freely.

[Edited on 8/11/2015 by Muleman1994]

The EPA took responsibility in the link from CNN that LeglizHemp posted.

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Wrong.

Nowhere in the article does The EPA take responsibility for this disaster.
As on this morning, the EPA has still not admitted their culpability.

Maybe the citizens should raid The EPA offices in full body armor with automatic weapons at the ready like The EPA did to Gibson Guitars.


 
Posted : August 11, 2015 7:16 am
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Are Heavy Metal Vegetables approved by The FDA?


 
Posted : August 11, 2015 7:29 am
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See anything wrong in this picture?


 
Posted : August 11, 2015 8:29 am
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mine waste is horribly toxic. it is a huge problem in the west/rockies, also the east/appalachia. most of it is just sitting there waiting for someone to clean it up or a disaster. the EPA was attempting to fix the problem with this one mine and made a horrible mistake. there is a reason most of it is just sitting there.......the extreme difficulty in cleaning it up. Mule you can rail all you want about the EPA but IMO the alternative is to let it sit until something happens. then you can rail about how they didn't do anything. i don't personally have any answers, this is above my pay scale and education level or understanding of the challenges. either way, it's a horrible situation. my niece lives in durango and says the river is back to normal color now. no one knows whats let behind yet or what it is or will do to the aquifer. her roommate took some of the pictures on CNN.

sometimes i think we all need to remember everything is not political, sometimes we need to remember this is not the current generations fault. humans like to make mistakes over centuries and science figures out it was a mistake. i wish everyone could realize the earth is all of our backyards.


 
Posted : August 11, 2015 10:08 am
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Found a good concise history of this here

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/10/9126853/epa-mine-spill-animas

Looks like the EPA wanted to superfund this area in the 1980's but the locals nixed it, because it would drive away tourists. So cleanup turned into a bit by bit operation.

Was trying to figure out how this happened, article says a debris dam was breached when they were assessing the mine for leaks, but I still couldn't get how or why the debris dam was breached.


 
Posted : August 11, 2015 1:05 pm
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Interesting to see if EPA will be held accountable for spill remediation by the same standards that they hold private business, including legal actions and fines. So far, all we have heard is that it will flush itself out and dissipate.


 
Posted : August 11, 2015 1:43 pm
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Interesting to see if EPA will be held accountable for spill remediation by the same standards that they hold private business, including legal actions and fines. So far, all we have heard is that it will flush itself out and dissipate.

Shouldn't the mining company have to pay for the clean up? They profited and left their crap for someone else to worry about.

Goober - you do know the EPA is the tax payer. That means you. Are you willing to pay to clean up someone else's mess?


 
Posted : August 11, 2015 2:01 pm
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See anything wrong in this picture?

The guy in the back isn't holding his paddle correctly?

I've camped on this river. Eaten Brook trout right out the river and into the pan. Even put my hand in it to pull out a rare round river rock.
Guess I won't be doing any of those things in that river for a while.... 🙁


 
Posted : August 11, 2015 2:06 pm
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Interesting to see if EPA will be held accountable for spill remediation by the same standards that they hold private business, including legal actions and fines. So far, all we have heard is that it will flush itself out and dissipate.

sigh

will the transportation department be responsible for bridge collapses?
will the...... oh never mind

how do we improve this country when some say the gov't is too big and shouldn't spend money to fix it?

i am so confused be statements like this.

[Edited on 8/12/2015 by LeglizHemp]


 
Posted : August 11, 2015 4:46 pm
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See anything wrong in this picture?

looks like YOU were bathing in there 😛

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I see pops hasn't a clue.


 
Posted : August 11, 2015 7:17 pm
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EPA's McCarthy: Contaminated water from Colorado mine will spread

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/11/epa-mccarthy-contamination-from-colorado-mine-spill-will-spread-cause-still/?intcmp=hplnws

Who will be first to bottle and market this heavy water?


 
Posted : August 11, 2015 7:55 pm
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Found a good concise history of this here

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/10/9126853/epa-mine-spill-animas

This is a good article, I recommend everyone commenting here to go read the above, thanks for posting.

Was trying to figure out how this happened, article says a debris dam was breached when they were assessing the mine for leaks, but I still couldn't get how or why the debris dam was breached.

This from a CNN article, :

According to the EPA, the spill occurred when one of its teams was using heavy equipment to enter the Gold King Mine, a suspended mine north of Durango. Instead of entering the mine and beginning the process of pumping and treating the contaminated water inside as planned, the team accidentally caused it to flow into the nearby Animas.


 
Posted : August 12, 2015 4:43 am
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This is exactly why they should never approve that Keystone Pipeline which would run through a major aquifer that supplies drinking water to millions of Americans. All it takes is one stupid mistake and that aquifer gets ruined like that river.


 
Posted : August 12, 2015 5:47 am
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http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-aging-oil-pipelines-below-the-great-lakes


 
Posted : August 12, 2015 5:51 am
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Goober - you do know the EPA is the tax payer. That means you. Are you willing to pay to clean up someone else's mess?

And private businesses pass costs to the consumer. It doesn't matter if it's a government agency of a corporation, it's always you. That's one of the three unalterable truths in life. I forget the other two.


 
Posted : August 12, 2015 5:53 am
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And private businesses pass costs to the consumer. It doesn't matter if it's a government agency of a corporation, it's always you. That's one of the three unalterable truths in life. I forget the other two.

I don't think BP will be immediately passing along the cost of the fines they were just assigned due to the Gulf disaster.

I don't agree with your statement Bob. Although fines are not enough. These corporate polluters need to be jailed.


 
Posted : August 12, 2015 7:21 am
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this is not the current generations fault

Yes and no. The mines may be old, but this was a botch job. It is someone's fault.

Re the bigger picture, that humans have been making mistakes for centuries, true enough, however if mistakes aren't learned from and keep being repeated, then it is certainly the current generation's fault, and the next generation's, and so on. This kind of fast and loose approach to resource extraction is most certainly going on in the current generation, and future generations will be facing the same problems with regard to cleanup.


 
Posted : August 12, 2015 7:34 am
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