JFK projected the right image for a President. He didn't whine, point fingers, and blame everything on his predecessor.
Of course Eisenhower didn't leave the country in shambles like Bush did.
If he had, do you honestly believe JFK would have spent year after year whining about Eisenhower? Anything is possible, but I seriously doubt it.
I can't actually remember the last time Obama even mentioned Bush, and I can't ever remember hearing him whine about Bush.
I do. He spent his whole first term blaming everything on Bush.
Interesting because I tried to find quotes of Obama complaining about Bush and not much came up. You would think if he complained as much as you claim there would be tons of quotes when Goggled but I could not find much.
Oh please. He spent at least four years playing the blame game. Are you serious? If you don't trust your own ears, try googling Obama blame game. Leaders simply don't do this. Albeit he might not have called out Bush by name, but said "they." What's the difference? You couldn't deduce that he meant the Bush Administration? C'mon.
I think you exaggerate but no surprise considering your hate for Obama.
I am also sure I could find 10X the amount of GOP blaming Obama for everything they feel is wrong in this country as any complaining Obama did about the Bush Administration so let's not be hypocritical here.
1. No exaggeration necessary.
2. So what? Even if that was true there is only one President. He is the leader and is expected to exhibit leadership qualities. Continuing a false equivalence between the entire GOP and the President is nothing more than a repeat of the same weak argument.
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Graham is just trying to divert attention away from Obama and his failures.
Unable to justify or even argue for Obama’s policies; he (falsely) attacks the Republicans.
It is all he has: empty rhetoric.
Recognizing the complete failure of Obama and his administration is not an obsession, it is a statement of fact.
Much of Kennedy’s favorability came from his celebrity. Obama has only that to keep the smile on his face.
Muleman's OPINIONS don't translate to FACT. There is a big difference most of us learned in grade school between opinion & fact. An opinion is what you post 99% of the time. It doesn't make it scientific nor provable. You are entitled to opine - right or wrong. On the other hand, most everyone knows to attempt to pass off opinion as fact is a leap.
JFK projected the right image for a President. He didn't whine, point fingers, and blame everything on his predecessor.
Of course Eisenhower didn't leave the country in shambles like Bush did.
If he had, do you honestly believe JFK would have spent year after year whining about Eisenhower? Anything is possible, but I seriously doubt it.
I can't actually remember the last time Obama even mentioned Bush, and I can't ever remember hearing him whine about Bush. But maybe you listen to Obama more than I do.
We all know alloak's obsession with Obama and Hillary. It's pretty obvious. I'm wondering if it's a love / hate thing? 😛
Obama has been the President for the past seven years and Hillary is a candidate to replace him. We shouldn't talk about them? If you were to pay attention, you would find that an awful lot of people have the same "obsession" that I do.
No need to be shy & minimize your efforts. Wear your badge and be proud. "Talking about" and "obsessing" are entirely different concepts. The only one that can come close to rivaling your obsession would be muleboy. For that you can both share the crown of queens of obsession.
Hate to break this to you, but turn on a radio or a television set and you will find both Hillary and Barack are frequent points of discussion, or obsession. Take your pick.
So, if we broke down your nearly 15,000 posts on this site, how many would be categorized as the following:
1.) Obsession with Obama & Hillary?
2.) Music related?
3.) All other?
I'm willing to bet the numbers would surprise even you.
Recognizing the complete failure of Obama and his administration is not an obsession, it is a statement of fact.
Much of Kennedy’s favorability came from his celebrity. Obama has only that to keep the smile on his face.
Muleman's OPINIONS don't translate to FACT. There is a big difference most of us learned in grade school between opinion & fact. An opinion is what you post 99% of the time. It doesn't make it scientific nor provable. You are entitled to opine - right or wrong. On the other hand, most everyone knows to attempt to pass off opinion as fact is a leap.
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You should have tried to get a college education as you are obviously ignorant of the facts nor have the capacity to understand them.
JFK projected the right image for a President. He didn't whine, point fingers, and blame everything on his predecessor.
Of course Eisenhower didn't leave the country in shambles like Bush did.
If he had, do you honestly believe JFK would have spent year after year whining about Eisenhower? Anything is possible, but I seriously doubt it.
I can't actually remember the last time Obama even mentioned Bush, and I can't ever remember hearing him whine about Bush. But maybe you listen to Obama more than I do.
We all know alloak's obsession with Obama and Hillary. It's pretty obvious. I'm wondering if it's a love / hate thing? 😛
Obama has been the President for the past seven years and Hillary is a candidate to replace him. We shouldn't talk about them? If you were to pay attention, you would find that an awful lot of people have the same "obsession" that I do.
No need to be shy & minimize your efforts. Wear your badge and be proud. "Talking about" and "obsessing" are entirely different concepts. The only one that can come close to rivaling your obsession would be muleboy. For that you can both share the crown of queens of obsession.
Hate to break this to you, but turn on a radio or a television set and you will find both Hillary and Barack are frequent points of discussion, or obsession. Take your pick.
So, if we broke down your nearly 15,000 posts on this site, how many would be categorized as the following:
1.) Obsession with Obama & Hillary?
2.) Music related?
3.) All other?
I'm willing to bet the numbers would surprise even you.
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There is a reason why there are different forums. Let’s see if you can figure out why.
Recognizing the complete failure of Obama and his administration is not an obsession, it is a statement of fact.
Much of Kennedy’s favorability came from his celebrity. Obama has only that to keep the smile on his face.
Muleman's OPINIONS don't translate to FACT. There is a big difference most of us learned in grade school between opinion & fact. An opinion is what you post 99% of the time. It doesn't make it scientific nor provable. You are entitled to opine - right or wrong. On the other hand, most everyone knows to attempt to pass off opinion as fact is a leap.
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You should have tried to get a college education as you are obviously ignorant of the facts nor have the capacity to understand them.
Great recommendation.
I probably have more education than you can dream of and have taught at the the college level, but I'll never come on here and flaunt formal education.
Funny that you mention education when there are many many examples of your posts full of poor spelling, incorrect use of grammar, and piss poor punctuation as a start. You have a hard time of articulating a coherent idea even in a couple sentences. Throw in the fact that you repeat yourself constantly, and you're in over your head on this site with most of the people that consider you a TROLL.
Recognizing the complete failure of Obama and his administration is not an obsession, it is a statement of fact.
Much of Kennedy’s favorability came from his celebrity. Obama has only that to keep the smile on his face.
Muleman's OPINIONS don't translate to FACT. There is a big difference most of us learned in grade school between opinion & fact. An opinion is what you post 99% of the time. It doesn't make it scientific nor provable. You are entitled to opine - right or wrong. On the other hand, most everyone knows to attempt to pass off opinion as fact is a leap.
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You should have tried to get a college education as you are obviously ignorant of the facts nor have the capacity to understand them.
Great recommendation.
I probably have more education than you can dream of and have taught at the the college level, but I'll never come on here and flaunt formal education.
Funny that you mention education when there are many many examples of your posts full of poor spelling, incorrect use of grammar, and piss poor punctuation as a start. You have a hard time of articulating a coherent idea even in a couple sentences. Throw in the fact that you repeat yourself constantly, and you're in over your head on this site with most of the people that consider you a TROLL.
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Coming from an idiot I’ll give your comments there due and flush them.
Not sure why you and Mule are so obsessed with hating Obama at this point as he is gone in about a year and a half.
Seems you should be focusing your hate on his successor, Hillary Clinton, to get a head start on the hating.
Or better yet why not hate on Bush as he is the one who created the current mess Obama is still working on to clean up?
[Edited on 8/6/2015 by Bill_Graham]
[Edited on 8/6/2015 by Bill_Graham]
He is intent on doing as much damage as possible until the day he leaves and to have it survive his departure so therefore it is appropriate to criticize him. And I guess the Bush excuse will survive forever or at least until the next Republican comes in.
Don't you at least think it's a tab bit disingenuous, though, that on one hand, it's perfectly reasonable and acceptable to refer to a past President (in this case, Kennedy) as a means of comparison which concludes as a derision and criticism of a current President...yet, if one refers to a different past President, that's somehow off limits?
You refer to Bush as merely an "excuse." If say, next November a Republican wins, will you have equal scorn for that President or any other politician that will take the tack of fixing all the damage Obama left behind? We all know that would happen. You just intimated that Obama is doing as "much damage as possible." Can you expound?
The extreme polarization cycle feeds itself. A whole bunch of people are wondering when the other bunch of people are going to blame Obama for something. In return, that bunch of people are still wondering when the first bunch will ever blame Bush for, well, anything.
1. Comparing the current leader to a past one is not the same as blaming the poor results of the current leader on the previous one.
2. When Obama took office obviously he inherited the problems of the prior administration. Six and a half years later he has not only failed to resolve those problems but he has made them inexorably worse. It is unseemly, unleaderlike and classless for the president to continue to publicly blame his predecessor rather than take responsibility for his own errors.
3. When a new president takes office he/she will have to deal witht he awful mess Obama leaves behind. Unfortunately for them many of the bombs are slated to not go off until Obama is gone from office. The new president will be responsible for somehow finding a way to reverse the damage Obama has done. If he/she fails to do so then he/she will be blamed and should be.
Here's a promise, and I'm being sincere...
If a Republican wins this election and spends his time blaming everything on Obama, constantly whines, talks down the USA, passes the buck, points fingers, makes excuses, chronically lies, blames everything on Democrats, bows to dictators, turns Americans against one another, complains about the media, complains about much of anything really.....I'll be all over him/her like a rash or a cheap suit or whatever adjective you choose.
I'll criticize him/her relentlessly on this forum. That's a promise.
I second that promise.
JFK projected the right image for a President. He didn't whine, point fingers, and blame everything on his predecessor.
Of course Eisenhower didn't leave the country in shambles like Bush did.
Actually Kennedy kind of argued that he did. He said he would "get the country moving again." He accused Eisenhower (and Nixon by proxy) of being old and stodgy and tired. But once he took office he didn't blame any failures on the prior administration. He could have. The Bay of Pigs operation was entirely planned and set in motion by the Eisenhower administration and he had trepidation about it but went along with it after prodding by both the CIA and Eisenhower himself (unlike the current president JFK consulted with his predecessor) When it blew up in his face never fro one moment did he publicly blame anyone but himself.
JFK projected the right image for a President. He didn't whine, point fingers, and blame everything on his predecessor.
Of course Eisenhower didn't leave the country in shambles like Bush did.
To be completely fair, Eisenhower - and the America of the time came about after the United States had pretty much flexed its military muscles and might. We'd not too long ago neutralized Japan via the atom bomb. We allied with European nations to squash Hitler and fascism. The end result was the golden age of American economics. Booms in manufacturing (and manufacturing jobs), housing construction, etc. There was a chicken in every pot and a new Ford in every driveway.
It seems that every president and administration finds its own bogeyman. For Kennedy, it was the cold war threat with Khrushchev, the Cuban Missile Crisis, etc.
I'n not defending or prosecuting anybody here. Just reminding folks that although Eisenhower didn't leave behind a mess for his successor, the "good ol' days" were paid for with a price that did include war and the use of heavy weaponry - something we all tend to frown upon in modern times.
To add to my prior post, I forgot to mention that besides the recession Kennedy blamed on Ike's tepidness, he also based his entire campaign on a perceived but non-existent "missile gap" that he claimed left us dangerously undermatched against the Soviets.
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/the-blame-game-at-its-finest-21-times-obama-has-passed-the-buck/
For anyone who is interested. People believe what they want to believe. Facts be damned.
Recognizing the complete failure of Obama and his administration is not an obsession, it is a statement of fact.
Much of Kennedy’s favorability came from his celebrity. Obama has only that to keep the smile on his face.
Muleman's OPINIONS don't translate to FACT. There is a big difference most of us learned in grade school between opinion & fact. An opinion is what you post 99% of the time. It doesn't make it scientific nor provable. You are entitled to opine - right or wrong. On the other hand, most everyone knows to attempt to pass off opinion as fact is a leap.
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You should have tried to get a college education as you are obviously ignorant of the facts nor have the capacity to understand them.
Great recommendation.
I probably have more education than you can dream of and have taught at the the college level, but I'll never come on here and flaunt formal education.
Funny that you mention education when there are many many examples of your posts full of poor spelling, incorrect use of grammar, and piss poor punctuation as a start. You have a hard time of articulating a coherent idea even in a couple sentences. Throw in the fact that you repeat yourself constantly, and you're in over your head on this site with most of the people that consider you a TROLL.
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Coming from an idiot I’ll give your comments there due and flush them.
Let me fix your improper use of words for you. Then again, maybe it's another of your many incorrect spellings. Take your pick.
You should try "their" as opposed to "there", but it doesn't take someone with a college education to know that.
Just an FYI - The way your introductory clause is written, it implies the author of the sentence is an idiot. There is no real need to point out that introductory clauses end with a comma.
Six and a half years later he has not only failed to resolve those problems but he has made them inexorably worse.
If you believe that the economy is worse today than when he took office I guess we will leave it at that. I don't know what other measures you world refer to, though. We probably wouldn't agree anyway.
Fair enough on the rest of your response.
For anyone who is interested. People believe what they want to believe. Facts be damned.
I clicked through. The first example I clicked on (randomly) was this:
But there was a seemingly out of place moment during the ceremony when Obama seemed to veer into reiterating his frequent trope that he inherited a bad economy from Bush.
"The months before I took the oath of office were a chaotic time," Obama said, after explaining that the president's job is isolating, and that he and Bush have a connection since so few have held the job. "We knew our economy was in trouble, our fellow Americans were in pain, but we wouldn't know until later just how breathtaking the financial crisis had been."
Obama did note the Bush tried to get it right. "Still, over those 2 1/2 months, in the midst of that crisis, President Bush, his cabinet, his staff, many of you who are here today, went out of your ways--George, you went out of your way--to make sure that the transition to a new administration was a seamless as possible. President Bush understood that rescuing our economy was not just a Democratic or Republican issue, it was an American priority. I'll always be grateful for that."
Exactly what part of that is inaccurate? The months before he took office were chaotic. The economy was in serious trouble. It's unseemly, unleaderlike and classless to tell the truth?
"The problems we inherited were far worse than most inside and out of government had expected; the recession was deeper than most inside and out of government had predicted. Curing those problems has taken more time and a higher toll than any of us wanted.” - President Ronald Reagan, 1983
What about that? Unseemly, unleaderlike and classless?
Recognizing the complete failure of Obama and his administration is not an obsession, it is a statement of fact.
Much of Kennedy’s favorability came from his celebrity. Obama has only that to keep the smile on his face.
Muleman's OPINIONS don't translate to FACT. There is a big difference most of us learned in grade school between opinion & fact. An opinion is what you post 99% of the time. It doesn't make it scientific nor provable. You are entitled to opine - right or wrong. On the other hand, most everyone knows to attempt to pass off opinion as fact is a leap.
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You should have tried to get a college education as you are obviously ignorant of the facts nor have the capacity to understand them.
Great recommendation.
I probably have more education than you can dream of and have taught at the the college level, but I'll never come on here and flaunt formal education.
Funny that you mention education when there are many many examples of your posts full of poor spelling, incorrect use of grammar, and piss poor punctuation as a start. You have a hard time of articulating a coherent idea even in a couple sentences. Throw in the fact that you repeat yourself constantly, and you're in over your head on this site with most of the people that consider you a TROLL.
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Coming from an idiot I’ll give your comments there due and flush them.
Let me fix your improper use of words for you. Then again, maybe it's another of your many incorrect spellings. Take your pick.
You should try "their" as opposed to "there", but it doesn't take someone with a college education to know that.
Just an FYI - The way your introductory clause is written, it implies the author of the sentence is an idiot. There is no real need to point out that introductory clauses end with a comma.
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So you are unable to express an opinion on the topic of the thread.
Why are you posting in this thread?
"The problems we inherited were far worse than most inside and out of government had expected; the recession was deeper than most inside and out of government had predicted. Curing those problems has taken more time and a higher toll than any of us wanted.” - President Ronald Reagan, 1983
What about that? Unseemly, unleaderlike and classless?
Nothing until it's repeated every other day for five years.
Recognizing the complete failure of Obama and his administration is not an obsession, it is a statement of fact.
Much of Kennedy’s favorability came from his celebrity. Obama has only that to keep the smile on his face.
Muleman's OPINIONS don't translate to FACT. There is a big difference most of us learned in grade school between opinion & fact. An opinion is what you post 99% of the time. It doesn't make it scientific nor provable. You are entitled to opine - right or wrong. On the other hand, most everyone knows to attempt to pass off opinion as fact is a leap.
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You should have tried to get a college education as you are obviously ignorant of the facts nor have the capacity to understand them.
Great recommendation.
I probably have more education than you can dream of and have taught at the the college level, but I'll never come on here and flaunt formal education.
Funny that you mention education when there are many many examples of your posts full of poor spelling, incorrect use of grammar, and piss poor punctuation as a start. You have a hard time of articulating a coherent idea even in a couple sentences. Throw in the fact that you repeat yourself constantly, and you're in over your head on this site with most of the people that consider you a TROLL.
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Coming from an idiot I’ll give your comments there due and flush them.
Let me fix your improper use of words for you. Then again, maybe it's another of your many incorrect spellings. Take your pick.
You should try "their" as opposed to "there", but it doesn't take someone with a college education to know that.
Just an FYI - The way your introductory clause is written, it implies the author of the sentence is an idiot. There is no real need to point out that introductory clauses end with a comma.
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So you are unable to express an opinion on the topic of the thread.
Why are you posting in this thread?
I would say that my contributions & the substance and depth of my posts far exceed and surpass what you merely do by taking up bandwidth. When you don't paste others' articles, you primarily resort to rants and calling people idiots. Multiple individuals have called you out on this.
I'm taking a vacation from getting into pi$$ing contests with you. I'll leave that to others. There are more than enough posters in this forum to placate you. Happy trolling.
Recognizing the complete failure of Obama and his administration is not an obsession, it is a statement of fact.
Much of Kennedy’s favorability came from his celebrity. Obama has only that to keep the smile on his face.
Muleman's OPINIONS don't translate to FACT. There is a big difference most of us learned in grade school between opinion & fact. An opinion is what you post 99% of the time. It doesn't make it scientific nor provable. You are entitled to opine - right or wrong. On the other hand, most everyone knows to attempt to pass off opinion as fact is a leap.
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You should have tried to get a college education as you are obviously ignorant of the facts nor have the capacity to understand them.
Great recommendation.
I probably have more education than you can dream of and have taught at the the college level, but I'll never come on here and flaunt formal education.
Funny that you mention education when there are many many examples of your posts full of poor spelling, incorrect use of grammar, and piss poor punctuation as a start. You have a hard time of articulating a coherent idea even in a couple sentences. Throw in the fact that you repeat yourself constantly, and you're in over your head on this site with most of the people that consider you a TROLL.
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Coming from an idiot I’ll give your comments there due and flush them.
Let me fix your improper use of words for you. Then again, maybe it's another of your many incorrect spellings. Take your pick.
You should try "their" as opposed to "there", but it doesn't take someone with a college education to know that.
Just an FYI - The way your introductory clause is written, it implies the author of the sentence is an idiot. There is no real need to point out that introductory clauses end with a comma.
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So you are unable to express an opinion on the topic of the thread.
Why are you posting in this thread?I would say that my contributions & the substance and depth of my posts far exceed and surpass what you merely do by taking up bandwidth. When you don't paste others' articles, you primarily resort to rants and calling people idiots. Multiple individuals have called you out on this.
I'm taking a vacation from getting into pi$$ing contests with you. I'll leave that to others. There are more than enough posters in this forum to placate you. Happy trolling.
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Look into a mirror.
And stop crying.
